2008.08.24 07:00 - You Said you are Hearing the Birds

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    Adams Rubble was Guardian and the Comments are from Rubble

    I Got to the Pavilion first and enjoyed a few minutes of SL Sunshine when Fael arrived. I begin a series of hellos without the "o". Funny how a little quirk will appear throughout a session; one finger not working?. It is usually apostrophes that give me trouble

    Adams Rubble: Hell fael :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Adams Rubble: How are you today?
    Fael Illyar: I'm good, you?
    Adams Rubble: OK, I'm geting around much better than I thought I would
    Faenik: ah :)
    Fael Illyar: around ... what?
    Adams Rubble: Walking around the house. I had a few brief walks outside
    Adams Rubble: I have to keep reminding myself to go slowly
    Fael Illyar: Ah, your leg
    Fael Illyar: Sounds positive :)
    Adams Rubble: Hmm lag
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it is encouraging :)
    Adams Rubble: tehre it is

    Avastu Appeared Next

    Fael Illyar: Hi Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: Hell Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Avastu Maruti: friends
    Adams Rubble: I am having trouble with "o"s this morning
    Fael Illyar: so it seems :)
    Faenik: �る��^^
    Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to talk about?
    Fael Illyar: Somehow, not quite.
    Adams Rubble: Ah

    There is no topic so I talk my experience in the past 24 hours

    Adams Rubble: I have been chasing my tail for a couple of days and am just beginning to settle down so I am no help with a topic
    Fael Illyar: ah, but that sounds like a wonderful topic :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: what tail is this?
    Adams Rubble: Dizzying
    Adams Rubble: Just the proverbial tail
    Adams Rubble: In Pema's terms, I was trying to help God
    Fael Illyar: Ah
    Adams Rubble: How foolish these mortals be - Shakespeare
    Fael Illyar: like a child wanting to help her mother but not quite able to.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, that one Fael
    Fael Illyar: Avastu, Sg sends condolences about not being able to sit on your lap right now as she's here sitting next to me in RL :)
    Avastu Maruti: maybe next time
    Fael Illyar: She also wanted me to say ***<3<3<3***
    Avastu Maruti smiles - hello my friend tenhikki
    Fael Illyar: *
    Adams Rubble is thinking that this is my favorite combination of table top and curtain with the painting
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
    Adams Rubble: There is an interesting combination of bird sounds in SL with real brids here in RL
    Adams Rubble: I am having trouble figuring which is which
    Fael Illyar: Yes, that's always fun to listen to real and SL ones mixed :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Adams Rubble: I really expected to be seeing more since my insight last weekend. I am surprised that nothing has appeared to me

    Storm and Pia had given me good advice the day before

    Adams Rubble: Storm yesterday said that it is like driving
    Fael Illyar: are you expecting to see something?
    Adams Rubble: He likes to take the car out of gear and let it coast
    Adams Rubble: Yes I was Fael
    Fael Illyar: that's why nothing appears.
    Adams Rubble: I think it is more subtle

    Then Avastu gently reminds me that maybe I am looking in the wrong direction

    Avastu Maruti smiles
    Avastu Maruti: you said you are hearing the birds...
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Avastu Maruti: what else are you waiting for?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Really, what else are you waiting for?
    Adams Rubble: There are years of habits...one forgets
    Fael Illyar: yes?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: Avastu has reminded me
    Avastu Maruti: and what replaces the birdsong, that makes one forget?
    Faenik: ah :)
    Adams Rubble: Struggle with identity, sgtruggle with "self"
    Fael Illyar: why struggle?
    Avastu Maruti: and these thoughts of struggle - aren't they also seen or heard, just like the bird?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Thank you
    Faenik: indeed?
    Adams Rubble: It is interesting that I am finding the need to be reminded
    Adams Rubble: But I can watch that too :)

    Then Quen Arrived

    Fael Illyar: It's good to be aware of such needs :)
    Adams Rubble: Hell Quen :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Fael Illyar: Hello Quen :)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    quen Oh: hello all
    Adams Rubble hasn't got a greeting right yet this morning
    quen Oh: lol
    quen Oh: hell...
    Avastu Maruti: it's definitely Sunday because Adams keeps referring to hell
    quen Oh: lol
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing
    Adams Rubble checks the o key
    Fael Illyar: (Sg did as well)
    quen Oh: nice coffee table discussion on hell?
    Fael Illyar: It's an interesting topic, yes :)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: Hell is a place where we do not see :)

    Caledonia Briefly passed by and exchanged greetings and Hell begins to emerge as a topic from my mistyping

    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
    Adams Rubble: (unless it is a truncated greeting)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Avastu Maruti: I mean Hell my friend
    quen Oh: hello Caledonia
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
    Adams Rubble paused at the o button that time
    quen Oh: am hell is something we create ourselves..
    Adams Rubble: Cal, they are noting that I have had trouble geting the greeting right this morning
    quen Oh: lol
    Fael Illyar: Yes, Hell is a state of not seeing we create ourselves.
    Adams Rubble: Cal is gone
    quen Oh: why not seeing?
    Adams Rubble: Of course, Fael
    Adams Rubble: Quen, by not seeing we can create shadows for ourselves
    Adams Rubble: hmmm
    quen Oh: ???
    quen Oh: not sure by not seeing there is just something less drawing my attention?
    Avastu Maruti: I think, by seeing, they mean "knowing"
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: not seeing ... or false knowing.
    Adams Rubble: Sorry, phone call...done

    From Hell to Seeing

    quen Oh: is still puzzled.. not knowing or seeing is a general human condition, we are not omniscient..
    Adams Rubble: Over the three months I have been in PaB, I have been learning the many ways I do not see, Quen
    Adams Rubble: In fact, this morning, Avastu and Fael reminded me I was forgetting to se clearly
    quen Oh: so we can be aware of our limitations in not knowing / seeing... but to be aware of 'what' you are not seeing and talk in shadows... I don't see
    Faenik: could be
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it can be confusing
    Avastu Maruti: seeing/knowing is a function of the "I" as long as that body-mind and "ego-image" is still the source of identification
    Adams Rubble: I expect Avastu will step in and help but let me try
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Avastu Maruti: yet we may become aware that this "I", this "image" also appears IN the seeing
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    quen Oh: you mean the division we make between ourselves and everything outside ourselves applied on ourself ;-)
    quen Oh: gosh love complicated sentences pff
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Avastu Maruti: isn't this "division" created as a concept in the mind?
    Avastu Maruti: how do you know there is really an "inside"and an "outside"?
    quen Oh: so that we see a body - mind but that does not really correspond to what we perceive as being us...
    quen Oh: its just the way our mind seems to work
    Avastu Maruti: the thought "I AM" is a translation in the mind of that ever-present presence of seeing/knowing
    Avastu Maruti: simply recognize that this seeing/knowing never leaves, never changes, is never affected by the experience it reflects
    Faenik loves wells!
    quen Oh: seems we continuously divide what we perceive as our self and what we meet
    quen Oh: well not sure, concept of the I seems a sum total of the past, what is made by all the experiencing, conditioning
    Avastu Maruti smiles
    Avastu Maruti: pardon my friends... brb
    Adams Rubble: OK
    quen Oh: but that is obviously not the I, as that is death and something (the seeing) is constantly changing and renewing that
    quen Oh: ah too bad he is gone
    quen Oh: *death = dead I meant
    Adams Rubble: When Avstu smiles, it means you said something that is on mark :)

    Gilles slipped in and I forgot that I had met him earlier. I also had mistaken the wolf for a bear. Maybe I need some SL glasses

    quen Oh: well like to make people smile ;-)
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: I have been learning to see past all the games my "self" is playing through some of the exercies that Pema has given us
    Fael Illyar: Yes, smiling people are nice to look at :)
    Fael Illyar: all ofthem? really?
    Adams Rubble: It has not been a straight path
    quen Oh: what exercise
    Fael Illyar: Hi Gilles
    quen Oh: ?
    quen Oh: hello Gilles
    Gilles Kuhn: hello all
    Adams Rubble: One is the YsBS (You see, being see) where we first try to look at what we see anf then imagine what Being sees
    Adams Rubble: There are variations (Enlightened you see or God see) depending on what works for an individual
    Fael Illyar: wb Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: wb Avastu
    Avastu Maruti: Hell my friends
    Adams Rubble: But then Pema had me start to watch the images that are created when I see
    Fael Illyar: Hell Avastu :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello to you too :)
    Adams Rubble: Haha
    Adams Rubble: I tried not to type the o and I typed it :)
    Fael Illyar: do not try, do :)
    Gilles Kuhn: ao on
    Adams Rubble: Hello Gilles :)
    quen Oh: welcome back Avastu
    quen Oh: I mean hell Avastu ;-)
    Avastu Maruti: ty Quen
    Gilles Kuhn: re hello adams
    Adams Rubble: Gilles, have you been here before?
    quen Oh: you have talked with him before I was there
    Adams Rubble: Oh sorry :)
    quen Oh: if
    quen Oh: i am correct
    Gilles Kuhn: well as i rez from log on here it must implie that.....
    quen Oh: he was a yellow lion then
    Adams Rubble: Ah, Gilles was the bear who turned into a lion
    Gilles Kuhn: gosh i h
    quen Oh: in fact he was a wolf
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I am not good with animals :)
    Gilles Kuhn: gosh i have alway to teach zoology......
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: lol
    Faenik loves wells!
    Adams Rubble thinks she will have to go back and correct the log
    quen Oh: mmm what was this btw? [7:50] Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: O fael's shoulder...
    Adams Rubble: On
    Faenik snuggles more closely on Fael's shoulder.

    Doug briefly joins us

    Fael Illyar: Hi Doug
    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug :)
    quen Oh: ah lol funny
    quen Oh: hello Faenik
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Faenik: Hell Quen
    quen Oh: hihi
    quen Oh grins
    quen Oh: hello Doug
    Gilles Kuhn: i gather the topic of today is hell ?
    quen Oh: and how that is not seeing...
    Adams Rubble needs to learn to type
    Fael Illyar: It's almost Guardian meeting now though.
    quen Oh is in some kind of hell as she still doesn't really see how...
    Adams Rubble: Yes, some if us have to go now. You all are welcome to stay and chat :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Quen, Gilles :)
    Avastu Maruti: gdbye my friend
    Fael Illyar waves goodbye.
    Gilles Kuhn: well i prefer the depiction of hell of bosh its paradisiac to see them....
    quen Oh: bye Fael and Faenik
    Adams Rubble: It was good to chat with you Quen and others. Bye all :)
    quen Oh: bye Adams
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