2008.08.24 07:00 - You Said you are Hearing the Birds

I Got to the Pavilion first and enjoyed a few minutes of SL Sunshine when Fael arrived. I begin a series of hellos without the "o". Funny how a little quirk will appear throughout a session; one finger not working?. It is usually apostrophes that give me trouble

Adams Rubble: Hell fael :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
Adams Rubble: Hello
Adams Rubble: How are you today?
Fael Illyar: I'm good, you?
Adams Rubble: OK, I'm geting around much better than I thought I would
Faenik: ah :)
Fael Illyar: around ... what?
Adams Rubble: Walking around the house. I had a few brief walks outside
Adams Rubble: I have to keep reminding myself to go slowly
Fael Illyar: Ah, your leg
Fael Illyar: Sounds positive :)
Adams Rubble: Hmm lag
Adams Rubble: Yes, it is encouraging :)
Adams Rubble: tehre it is

Avastu Appeared Next

Fael Illyar: Hi Avastu :)
Adams Rubble: Hell Avastu :)
Adams Rubble: Hello
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
Avastu Maruti: friends
Adams Rubble: I am having trouble with "o"s this morning
Fael Illyar: so it seems :)
Faenik: �る��^^
Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to talk about?
Fael Illyar: Somehow, not quite.
Adams Rubble: Ah

There is no topic so I talk my experience in the past 24 hours

Adams Rubble: I have been chasing my tail for a couple of days and am just beginning to settle down so I am no help with a topic
Fael Illyar: ah, but that sounds like a wonderful topic :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Faenik loves wells!
Fael Illyar: what tail is this?
Adams Rubble: Dizzying
Adams Rubble: Just the proverbial tail
Adams Rubble: In Pema's terms, I was trying to help God
Fael Illyar: Ah
Adams Rubble: How foolish these mortals be - Shakespeare
Fael Illyar: like a child wanting to help her mother but not quite able to.
Adams Rubble: Yes, that one Fael
Fael Illyar: Avastu, Sg sends condolences about not being able to sit on your lap right now as she's here sitting next to me in RL :)
Avastu Maruti: maybe next time
Fael Illyar: She also wanted me to say ***<3<3<3***
Avastu Maruti smiles - hello my friend tenhikki
Fael Illyar: *
Adams Rubble is thinking that this is my favorite combination of table top and curtain with the painting
Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
Adams Rubble: There is an interesting combination of bird sounds in SL with real brids here in RL
Adams Rubble: I am having trouble figuring which is which
Fael Illyar: Yes, that's always fun to listen to real and SL ones mixed :)
Faenik: ah :)
Adams Rubble: I really expected to be seeing more since my insight last weekend. I am surprised that nothing has appeared to me

Storm and Pia had given me good advice the day before

Adams Rubble: Storm yesterday said that it is like driving
Fael Illyar: are you expecting to see something?
Adams Rubble: He likes to take the car out of gear and let it coast
Adams Rubble: Yes I was Fael
Fael Illyar: that's why nothing appears.
Adams Rubble: I think it is more subtle

Then Avastu gently reminds me that maybe I am looking in the wrong direction

Avastu Maruti smiles
Avastu Maruti: you said you are hearing the birds...
Adams Rubble: yes
Avastu Maruti: what else are you waiting for?
Adams Rubble: :)
Fael Illyar: Really, what else are you waiting for?
Adams Rubble: There are years of habits...one forgets
Fael Illyar: yes?
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: Avastu has reminded me
Avastu Maruti: and what replaces the birdsong, that makes one forget?
Faenik: ah :)
Adams Rubble: Struggle with identity, sgtruggle with "self"
Fael Illyar: why struggle?
Avastu Maruti: and these thoughts of struggle - aren't they also seen or heard, just like the bird?
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Thank you
Faenik: indeed?
Adams Rubble: It is interesting that I am finding the need to be reminded
Adams Rubble: But I can watch that too :)

Then Quen Arrived

Fael Illyar: It's good to be aware of such needs :)
Adams Rubble: Hell Quen :)
Adams Rubble: Hello
Fael Illyar: Hello Quen :)
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
quen Oh: hello all
Adams Rubble hasn't got a greeting right yet this morning
quen Oh: lol
quen Oh: hell...
Avastu Maruti: it's definitely Sunday because Adams keeps referring to hell
quen Oh: lol
Adams Rubble: :)
Fael Illyar falls down laughing
Adams Rubble checks the o key
Fael Illyar: (Sg did as well)
quen Oh: nice coffee table discussion on hell?
Fael Illyar: It's an interesting topic, yes :)
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Adams Rubble: Hell is a place where we do not see :)

Caledonia Briefly passed by and exchanged greetings and Hell begins to emerge as a topic from my mistyping

Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
Adams Rubble: (unless it is a truncated greeting)
Adams Rubble: Hello Cal :)
Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
Avastu Maruti: I mean Hell my friend
quen Oh: hello Caledonia
Adams Rubble: :)
Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
Adams Rubble paused at the o button that time
quen Oh: am hell is something we create ourselves..
Adams Rubble: Cal, they are noting that I have had trouble geting the greeting right this morning
quen Oh: lol
Fael Illyar: Yes, Hell is a state of not seeing we create ourselves.
Adams Rubble: Cal is gone
quen Oh: why not seeing?
Adams Rubble: Of course, Fael
Adams Rubble: Quen, by not seeing we can create shadows for ourselves
Adams Rubble: hmmm
quen Oh: ???
quen Oh: not sure by not seeing there is just something less drawing my attention?
Avastu Maruti: I think, by seeing, they mean "knowing"
Faenik: could be
Fael Illyar: not seeing ... or false knowing.
Adams Rubble: Sorry, phone call...done

From Hell to Seeing

quen Oh: is still puzzled.. not knowing or seeing is a general human condition, we are not omniscient..
Adams Rubble: Over the three months I have been in PaB, I have been learning the many ways I do not see, Quen
Adams Rubble: In fact, this morning, Avastu and Fael reminded me I was forgetting to se clearly
quen Oh: so we can be aware of our limitations in not knowing / seeing... but to be aware of 'what' you are not seeing and talk in shadows... I don't see
Faenik: could be
Adams Rubble: Yes, it can be confusing
Avastu Maruti: seeing/knowing is a function of the "I" as long as that body-mind and "ego-image" is still the source of identification
Adams Rubble: I expect Avastu will step in and help but let me try
Adams Rubble: :)
Avastu Maruti: yet we may become aware that this "I", this "image" also appears IN the seeing
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
quen Oh: you mean the division we make between ourselves and everything outside ourselves applied on ourself ;-)
quen Oh: gosh love complicated sentences pff
Adams Rubble: :)
Avastu Maruti: isn't this "division" created as a concept in the mind?
Avastu Maruti: how do you know there is really an "inside"and an "outside"?
quen Oh: so that we see a body - mind but that does not really correspond to what we perceive as being us...
quen Oh: its just the way our mind seems to work
Avastu Maruti: the thought "I AM" is a translation in the mind of that ever-present presence of seeing/knowing
Avastu Maruti: simply recognize that this seeing/knowing never leaves, never changes, is never affected by the experience it reflects
Faenik loves wells!
quen Oh: seems we continuously divide what we perceive as our self and what we meet
quen Oh: well not sure, concept of the I seems a sum total of the past, what is made by all the experiencing, conditioning
Avastu Maruti smiles
Avastu Maruti: pardon my friends... brb
Adams Rubble: OK
quen Oh: but that is obviously not the I, as that is death and something (the seeing) is constantly changing and renewing that
quen Oh: ah too bad he is gone
quen Oh: *death = dead I meant
Adams Rubble: When Avstu smiles, it means you said something that is on mark :)

Gilles slipped in and I forgot that I had met him earlier. I also had mistaken the wolf for a bear. Maybe I need some SL glasses

quen Oh: well like to make people smile ;-)
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Adams Rubble: I have been learning to see past all the games my "self" is playing through some of the exercies that Pema has given us
Fael Illyar: Yes, smiling people are nice to look at :)
Fael Illyar: all ofthem? really?
Adams Rubble: It has not been a straight path
quen Oh: what exercise
Fael Illyar: Hi Gilles
quen Oh: ?
quen Oh: hello Gilles
Gilles Kuhn: hello all
Adams Rubble: One is the YsBS (You see, being see) where we first try to look at what we see anf then imagine what Being sees
Adams Rubble: There are variations (Enlightened you see or God see) depending on what works for an individual
Fael Illyar: wb Avastu :)
Adams Rubble: wb Avastu
Avastu Maruti: Hell my friends
Adams Rubble: But then Pema had me start to watch the images that are created when I see
Fael Illyar: Hell Avastu :)
Adams Rubble: Hello to you too :)
Adams Rubble: Haha
Adams Rubble: I tried not to type the o and I typed it :)
Fael Illyar: do not try, do :)
Gilles Kuhn: ao on
Adams Rubble: Hello Gilles :)
quen Oh: welcome back Avastu
quen Oh: I mean hell Avastu ;-)
Avastu Maruti: ty Quen
Gilles Kuhn: re hello adams
Adams Rubble: Gilles, have you been here before?
quen Oh: you have talked with him before I was there
Adams Rubble: Oh sorry :)
quen Oh: if
quen Oh: i am correct
Gilles Kuhn: well as i rez from log on here it must implie that.....
quen Oh: he was a yellow lion then
Adams Rubble: Ah, Gilles was the bear who turned into a lion
Gilles Kuhn: gosh i h
quen Oh: in fact he was a wolf
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I am not good with animals :)
Gilles Kuhn: gosh i have alway to teach zoology......
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: lol
Faenik loves wells!
Adams Rubble thinks she will have to go back and correct the log
quen Oh: mmm what was this btw? [7:50] Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Adams Rubble: O fael's shoulder...
Adams Rubble: On
Faenik snuggles more closely on Fael's shoulder.

Doug briefly joins us

Fael Illyar: Hi Doug
Adams Rubble: Hello Doug :)
quen Oh: ah lol funny
quen Oh: hello Faenik
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
Faenik: Hell Quen
quen Oh: hihi
quen Oh grins
quen Oh: hello Doug
Gilles Kuhn: i gather the topic of today is hell ?
quen Oh: and how that is not seeing...
Adams Rubble needs to learn to type
Fael Illyar: It's almost Guardian meeting now though.
quen Oh is in some kind of hell as she still doesn't really see how...
Adams Rubble: Yes, some if us have to go now. You all are welcome to stay and chat :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Quen, Gilles :)
Avastu Maruti: gdbye my friend
Fael Illyar waves goodbye.
Gilles Kuhn: well i prefer the depiction of hell of bosh its paradisiac to see them....
quen Oh: bye Fael and Faenik
Adams Rubble: It was good to chat with you Quen and others. Bye all :)
quen Oh: bye Adams