2008.08.31 08:00 - A Very Friendly Group

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    This morning, at 8 am SLT, we had another weekly Guardian meeting in the Hall of Appearance. I (Pema) am including the chatlog without further comments. I came in a bit late, since after an initial crash it took me a bit to get back in.

    Storm Nordwind: wb Pema
    Pema Pera: sorry, very unstable internet connection it seems . . . ..
    Rowan Masala: hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Rowan Masala: Hi Fael
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Pema
    Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone
    Neela Blaisdale: And Raj and Fael
    Pema Pera: better to have somebody else lead the meeting -- I may disappear any moment again
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Pema Pera: Storm, could you moderate?
    Pema Pera: Pia will start off
    Storm Nordwind: If you disappear, yes!
    Moon Fargis: greetings everyone
    Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
    Pia Iger: Hi, Moon,
    Rowan Masala: hi Moon
    Pia Iger: so cute
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi GAya and Moon. Or little Moon
    Moon Fargis: yes
    Storm Nordwind: Half-Moon
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Caledonia Heron: hi Everyone :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: Let me introduce Prospero Frobozz :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi CAl and Prosper
    Fael Illyar: Hi Prospero
    genesis Zhangsun: Welcome!
    Moon Fargis: hi gaya.. long time not... talked :)
    Prospero Frobozz: Hello, all!
    Solobill Laville: Hey, Prospero
    Caledonia Heron: Prospero is getting to know our group :)
    Pia Iger: Hi, there
    Caledonia Heron: make yourself comfy Pros... a very friendly group :)
    Pema Pera: Welcome, Prospero!
    Pema Pera: You've met some of us during a previous PaB session
    Pema Pera: but now you can a sampling of about half the guardians all at once
    Prospero Frobozz: The trick is going to be remembering who I've already met :) Meeting lots of people in a few days.../
    Faenik loves wells!
    Pema Pera: Pia, would you like to start off, reporting about the excerpt project, that you have been coordinating with so much success, during the last ten days?
    Fael Illyar: Reminds me of when I was first here :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pia Iger: sure.
    Pia Iger: I am glad to say the first phase of excerpt project is finished now
    Pia Iger: we have 30 short excerpt, 20 long ones on wiki
    Rowan Masala: you did a really nice job with them, Pia
    Pia Iger: with diverse themes.
    Pia Iger: Readers can get an idea of 9-sec, PaB by those excerpts
    Caledonia Heron: I notice there's 2 ways the short excerpts are documented - are we ok with that?
    Pia Iger: two ways?
    Caledonia Heron: the short ones started in 4 categories, with numbered entries within a topic ... now entries are being logged singly with their own titles ... both ok? preferred format please?
    Pia Iger: some short ones were grouped together, since they serve to the same theme.
    Pia Iger: like -The Ways the 9-sec Practice Has Changed Us (
    Pia Iger: some short one can't , they stand by themself. like -A historic moment
    Caledonia Heron: yes, correct ... are we not staying within the topics ... are we free to put things in any old category ... not sure that helps people get to the core of information which was the point I had thought.... if incorrect please inform me :)
    Caledonia Heron: it's just a redistribution of the logs into readers digest format at that point imo
    Pia Iger: that depents on the content nature of your excerpt.
    Caledonia Heron: ok, understood, anything goes
    Caledonia Heron: any more housekeeping?
    Faenik: why not?
    Pia Iger: before we change to next issue, I want to thank guardians who have gave big helps.
    Pia Iger: Maxine, Cal and Solo were very sweft to give contribution.
    Caledonia Heron: WooT
    Pia Iger: Adams, Fael, and Pema gave good hints of notable log.
    Pia Iger: Neela was very helpful to do the extracting of long logs.
    Pia Iger: Syl help to keep wiki organization, and import old session of april, may, June from word blog.
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, we didn't keep the logs from the very first sessions so it's sketchy
    Pia Iger: And Gaa!
    Pia Iger: Gaya!
    Gaya Ethaniel gets startled
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes?
    Faenik: could be
    Pia Iger: I mean I forgot meantion Gaya, who did many excerpts by herself
    Pema Pera: Thank you very much Pia, and everybody who has helped out! It is really terrific that you together as a group got so much done in just ten days!!
    Storm Nordwind: hear hear!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Pleasure. A small thing I could do in return to the kindness all of you have shown me
    Pema Pera: This will be a great resource, especially for new visitors to PaB
    Solobill Laville claps
    Pema Pera: Actually, Prospero will be the ideal guinea pig -- perhaps you can give us some feedback in a week, or whenever, Prospero, whether these excerpts are interesting and understandable for someone coming in cold
    Prospero Frobozz: Sure
    Pema Pera: Now the question is: what is the next step
    Prospero Frobozz: (I'll need an URL, of course :) )
    Fael Illyar: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Solobill Laville: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_SESSIONS_EXCERPTS
    Pema Pera: Having this great start, as long as Pia is willing to continue coordinate the excerpt process, I suggest we ask her to do so
    Faenik: ah :)
    Storm Nordwind: seconded
    Pia Iger: I have a suggestion
    Caledonia Heron: agreed, please Pia?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, please continue your great work, everyone who has contributed (and others too if you find the time) :)
    Maxine Walden: you have done sucha good job, it would be great if you could conintue
    Pia Iger: how help to give us a hint by add tag "notable"
    Pia Iger: if you made a log that you think it is notable?
    Pia Iger: so it gives me a clue to
    Pia Iger: look into that log.
    Pia Iger: *how about
    Gaya Ethaniel nods 'a great idea'
    Pia Iger: Just type "notable" in tag
    Pia Iger: Can everyone do that?
    Caledonia Heron: sure :)
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Storm Nordwind: Can you remove that tag once you've seen it, or if your own opinion differs? :)
    Fael Illyar: Is there a reason to remove the tag?
    Caledonia Heron: we might have to accept that this is pretty subjective :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: The process itself has been already subjective as I added logs from 'my' notes
    Gaya Ethaniel: added excerpts*
    Storm Nordwind: Can we add that tag to past logs or just to future ones as they occur?
    Neela Blaisdale: One question-It seems to require logging into the google group to view the short exerpts? And is there a way to also have access to them on the wiki page so newcomers can view them before they join the google group?
    Caledonia Heron: absolutely Gaya, another flavour it would seem
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thou Cal, once I've looked through my notes, I agreed with Pia that I will look through all recent logs
    Fael Illyar: google group shouldn't have anything to do with the wiki?
    Caledonia Heron: correct Fael
    Pia Iger: Neela, you can go directly to wiki page.
    Pia Iger: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_SESSIONS_EXCERPTS
    Caledonia Heron: [meeting meta-note ... a 1/2 hours to go ... move on?]
    Caledonia Heron: *hour
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: Well, there are no other specific agenda points, Cal
    Pia Iger: so we all agree with adding "notable" into future log. Then I am done.
    Neela Blaisdale: Sorry must have beeb looking at an older version of the first wiki page
    Pema Pera: so we can either continue or change topic, as we like
    Rowan Masala: may I ask for some guidance?
    Rowan Masala: for beginning being a guardian at the sessions?
    Pema Pera: the best guidance may be to talk to one or more experienced guardians
    Pia Iger: I will be there for today's 7pm session and help you, Rowan
    Pema Pera: but in addition, we may want to write down some guidelines
    Pema Pera: If someone would like to volunteer for drafting guardian guidelines, or perhaps two people together, we can then discuss those on our email list
    Faenik: why not?
    Rowan Masala: but, this is a group of experienced guardians, isn't it? or did you mean I should talk to each one on one
    Pema Pera: any volunteers for guardian guide lines? Not you, Faenik, sorry
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: not each one, Rowan,
    Pema Pera: just one or two
    Pema Pera: or so
    Solobill Laville: I think last week's guardian meeting log would perhaps be helpful too...
    genesis Zhangsun: I have a set of guardian guidelines drafted for the new website
    genesis Zhangsun: but it is maybe more "legal"
    genesis Zhangsun: so I would be happy to collaborate with someone on a more comprehensive guideline list
    Pia Iger: It's better not sound like "legal terms"
    Adams Rubble: I would be willing to work with Gen
    Pema Pera: hear hear!
    genesis Zhangsun: sure I agree
    Pema Pera: thank you both, Adams and Gen!
    Gaya Ethaniel thanks Adams and gen
    genesis Zhangsun: but it has some non "legal" portions too
    Pema Pera: :)
    Adams Rubble: Good to hear the voices from the pit :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Thanks Adams!
    Pema Pera: Are there other general questions, suggestions, ideas?
    Moon Fargis: hmm yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb
    Pema Pera: yes?
    Pema Pera: Moon?
    Faenik loves wells!
    Solobill Laville crashed...
    Moon Fargis: theres a idea in my mind...for a longer time... i traveled around Sl and there are spreaded textst about buddhism and other stuff but no real library with important texts and other stuff
    Pema Pera: !
    Pema Pera: good point
    Pema Pera: a PaB library would be great
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'another great idea'
    Pema Pera: having excerpts from many traditions that resonate with what we're trying to explore
    Moon Fargis: so i thought about the idea to create a big library with texts about buddism, sutras, also pab and all kind of exerpts
    Moon Fargis: yes
    Pema Pera: Well, Moon, do you volunteer?
    Rowan Masala: that would be great, Moon
    Moon Fargis: sure
    Pema Pera: anyone wants to help moon?
    Gaya Ethaniel raises her hand
    Moon Fargis: ^_^
    Pema Pera: if nothing else as a sounding board?
    Pema Pera: or collaborator
    Pema Pera: depending on time available?
    Rowan Masala: I would like to help
    Storm Nordwind: We could house it here perhaps
    Rowan Masala: as time allows
    Gaya Ethaniel helped builing a Korean library in a museum before...
    Pema Pera: So Moon and Gaya and Rowan?
    Rowan Masala nods
    Pema Pera: great, thank you all very much!
    Pema Pera: yes, this would be a good place
    Pema Pera: at least for now
    Pema Pera: Wow, so many initatives in one day !!!
    genesis Zhangsun: Fantastic!!
    Solobill Laville: I'm having issues, here, so I missed most of that convo, but I am working on setting up a consortium of SL Buddhist sims
    Maxine Walden: yes, wonderful
    Solobill Laville: If that helps toward this last initiave let me know
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Neela Blaisdale: Moon had you seen this site I just sent you before?
    genesis Zhangsun: what sort of consortium Solo?
    Moon Fargis: neela: uhm what site ?
    Solobill Laville: I'll send you a notecard Gen
    Solobill Laville: Just a loose knit group (meta level) to share information on purpose, events, activities, etc.
    Neela Blaisdale: Open Buddhist Dharma Library
    Solobill Laville: ty Neela
    Moon Fargis: neela: ahh the landmark
    Moon Fargis: neela: hmm maybe i have to revisit it i think
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty Neela
    Maxine Walden: Thanks Neela
    Faenik: could be
    Neela Blaisdale gave you Open Buddhist Dharma Library, Momil (14, 43, 68).
    Pema Pera: it is important though that we do not make the library half Buddhist or more -- it should be a sampling from different traditions, and not only religions either
    Pema Pera: also humanist, secular
    Rowan Masala nods
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Maxine Walden: that feels so important, Pema,
    Pema Pera: some science writing inspirations
    Rowan Masala: it would be nice to have a favorite quotation related to Being from each of the guardians
    Neela Blaisdale: Goodbye all have to leave
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Rowan Masala: as a starting point
    Rowan Masala: bye Neela
    Maxine Walden: yes explorations of reality cover so many paths
    Pema Pera: bye Neela
    Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps I could focus on Hinduism
    Solobill Laville: bye neela
    Pema Pera: we can include quotes from artists, say, too
    Pia Iger: quotes, poems, arts.
    genesis Zhangsun: bye Neela!
    Pema Pera: yes
    Moon Fargis: hmm i think we need to focus on alot of tradition so we will do some focusmap
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Pema Pera: well, let's just get started, and next week Moon & the moonlets can report!
    Pia Iger: (before we go, Pia itchy for the duet of Moon and Fael, they both dressed nicely. And we have a guest here, and a new guardian.)
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Fael Illyar: moonlets :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: hear hear
    Maxine Walden: great
    Moon Fargis: ^_^
    Pema Pera: Fael and Moon, are you ready?
    Fael Illyar: Hehe, ok, lets do it then :)
    Storm Nordwind: please :)
    Moon Fargis: ohh one second
    Pema Pera: classic tunes from PaB
    Moon Fargis: ok :)
    Moon Fargis: im ready
    Fael Illyar: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: clap clap clap!
    Moon Fargis: *smiles*
    Prospero Frobozz is impressed as to how well the motion and sounds timed together... getting sounds to come out timed right is hugely challenging in SL, with with each viewer hearing the sounds at a different time.
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Fael Illyar: it's mostly scripted.
    Prospero Frobozz: Even with scripts, it's a challenge :)
    Pema Pera: btw, Prospero is also Prospero Linden, a professional astronomer turned professional Linden, so his praise counts highly :-)
    Moon Fargis: and tested babout hours for the riht timing :)
    Prospero Frobozz: I scripted up a clock that chimes on the hour, and it doesn't always give the right number of bongs....
    Prospero Frobozz: Bongs as in the sound a bell makes, not as in something else
    Pema Pera: :)
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Wonderful!
    Moon Fargis: ^_^
    Fael Illyar: Well, it did take some tweaking to get the timing working but it wasn't that heard, really :)
    Fael Illyar: umm, hard
    Pema Pera: We are reaching the end of our hour; perhaps we can close here, or is there any last minute idea or question?
    Pema Pera: if not, thank you all -- it is so great to see so much synergy and initiative!
    Moon Fargis: ^:^
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: =^+^=
    genesis Zhangsun: Bye everyone!
    Maxine Walden: yes, so interesting to see how this is all developing
    Pema Pera: bye gen!
    Pia Iger: see you all next time. and I welcome any feedback of excerpt pages.
    Moon Fargis: see you soon :)
    Pia Iger: thanks Storm to correct one title.
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Pia
    Pema Pera: see you all soon again, bye for now!
    Fael Illyar: See you all later :)
    Prospero Frobozz: Thanks for letting me evesdrop! And I'll take a look at the excerpts URL to see if I can make heads or tails of what all this is :)
    Adams Rubble: Bye everyone and thank you Storm for the cushion :)
    Storm Nordwind: You're doing a great job Pia. Thanks for all the hard work
    Pema Pera: Thanks, Pros!
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