The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

milakel Resident, Storm Nordwind, Bleu Oleander, Aphrodite Macbain, Raffila Millgrove and Paradise Tennant joined me this evening

milakel Resident: hi :)
Storm Nordwind: Hi!
milakel Resident: stev! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Mila
milakel Resident: good to see you, rare guest :)

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: Have a sit Mila
milakel Resident: v 3.3.0 has a button "buy land" in the address field :)
Bleu Oleander: hiya :)
milakel Resident: i suppose real estate isn't doing well in sl
milakel Resident: blue :)
milakel Resident: where is your crown?
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pleu
stevenaia Michinaga: Bleu
milakel Resident: no one else has finished the hunt yet, storm?
stevenaia Michinaga: Strange, I would have thought I'd hear the bell by now
milakel Resident: yes, it was at 7 pm
Aphrodite Macbain looksfor "you are here"
milakel Resident: aph :)
Storm Nordwind heard the bell
milakel Resident: "you are here" is not a clue, it's a puzzle!
Bleu Oleander: go Aph!
Aphrodite Macbain: no map here
Aphrodite Macbain: harrumph
Storm Nordwind: I believe Eliza is very close to being the next winner, but someone may overtake her!
milakel Resident: oh, the crown's race!
milakel Resident: must. be. first.
Aphrodite Macbain: grrr
Bleu Oleander: Aph don't give up
Storm Nordwind chuckles
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps there could be teams
milakel Resident: wait, a map...
Aphrodite Macbain: I cant think where there are any maps except in the Museum
milakel Resident: there *are* teams, stev :)
Storm Nordwind: yes teams are recommended, but only informally
milakel Resident: otherwise, i wouldn't make it this far :)
Aphrodite Macbain: messy teams. Mila and I are a team
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: in an ad hoc kindof way
stevenaia Michinaga: ``nods teams when you need teams
Aphrodite Macbain: will you have enough crowns for a team Storm?
milakel Resident: one sec
Aphrodite Macbain: k
Storm Nordwind: I'll make as many as we need
Aphrodite Macbain: where's she going? to look for a map?
stevenaia Michinaga: Storms little workshop
Storm Nordwind: She's gone off the map
Aphrodite Macbain: Oh maybe there's a map in the dome.....
Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm
Storm Nordwind: I meant... off my minimap!
Bleu Oleander: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I was never very good at treasure hunts and mysteries
Aphrodite Macbain: think I'll check
Storm Nordwind: hehe!
Storm Nordwind: I think some people have got pleasantly compulsive over this treasure hunt :)
Bleu Oleander: you're enjoying this aren't you Storm ... torturing poor little avatars :)
Storm Nordwind: Moi???! ;-))
Bleu Oleander: hahaha!
stevenaia Michinaga: Great train wreck story storm
stevenaia Michinaga: you ahve indeed been having great fun
Storm Nordwind: The demo Mila saw was quite impressive. More like a water chute at a theme park!
Bleu Oleander: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I've also been appreciating your meditation pavilion, Storm, adding it to place I visit
Bleu Oleander: yes, very nice!
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes just a little structure to one's quiet moments can be very satifying
Storm Nordwind: I'm very pleased people are using it
Storm Nordwind: Yes that's a great way to see it Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: would be nice to have it say the word to you, sometimes reading can be jumpie n the screen
Storm Nordwind: Yes. I'm working on a stream for it
stevenaia Michinaga: don;t know if you can localize recorded sound from the bird, that would be winderful
Storm Nordwind: We'll see how I can do. Might not be tomorrow!

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: nods, certainly no rush
Bleu Oleander: hi Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: hi Bleu. greets everyone.
Storm Nordwind waves
stevenaia Michinaga: I just switched viewers and now the ribbon is black, very srange
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Raffi
Storm Nordwind: To what Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: from red to black
Storm Nordwind: No I mean switch to which viewer?
stevenaia Michinaga: From Phoenix to PhoenixFirestorm
Storm Nordwind: Oh dear. v4?
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: I can still go back but it does seem to be working fine
Raffila Millgrove: Firestorm is up to 4?
Storm Nordwind: Yes
Raffila Millgrove: they issued an update to Viewer 3 today.
Storm Nordwind: "Firestorm FUI Beta 4.0.1.27000"
Raffila Millgrove: i dont' notice anything but i .. liked they fixed some bugs.
milakel Resident: hi :)
milakel Resident: yay! victory!
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Mila
Bleu Oleander: about time !!! :)
milakel Resident: found the 6th hunt
Storm Nordwind: So onwards to solving clue #7
milakel Resident: yes
milakel Resident: but i can now sit through the session with a sense of accomplishment :)
Bleu Oleander wonders if she'll lose her ONLY queen status
milakel Resident: hehe
Storm Nordwind: haha Mila!
milakel Resident: noo, you're the first and only one of a kind :)
Raffila Millgrove: hello magnum
Bleu Oleander: phew! ty Mila
milakel Resident: :)
milakel Resident: *winks to aph* :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Just getting here is a nice sense of accomplishment
milakel Resident: sadly, woly is busy with wokr and can't take part in the hunt. though she really likes team work.
milakel Resident: stev, true
Storm Nordwind: Well she can start late - it's OK. I won't take it down until well after April 1st
Aphrodite Macbain: where can we find a golden lotus in this here village?
Storm Nordwind: Who knows :)
Bleu Oleander: my lips are sealed
stevenaia Michinaga: ponders the treasure hunt, can;t say I remember ever being on one, is it like an easter egg hunt?
Raffila Millgrove: Storm have you seen the new pathfinder tools or sim.. it makes trains run easier. they should let you have the tools. they are giving out to creators...
Storm Nordwind: No like an easter egg hunt Steve
Aphrodite Macbain: you collect cluses that take you to the next hiding place
Aphrodite Macbain: clues
Storm Nordwind: And what you find each time is different
Aphrodite Macbain: I imagine that storm or Dareen may have some golden lotii in their garden
Aphrodite Macbain: s
milakel Resident: :)
Storm Nordwind: Haven't seen anything of that name Raffi. Read the latest wiki on it and know the principles - which are fairly easy
milakel Resident: aph, no wories. we'll crack this one :)
Aphrodite Macbain pulls out her nutcracker and a hammer
stevenaia Michinaga: do you ahve the wiki like with the details of the hunt handt
Raffila Millgrove: they have creator's tools. only giving out to select people right now. and premium members can goto the sims where they've been used.
stevenaia Michinaga: *link
stevenaia Michinaga: a but of a lag there, correction appeared before the error :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I think I'm goung to look for golden loti
milakel Resident: stev :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I hope they're the real ones and not oin a photograph
milakel Resident: aph! impatient you :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm a girl on a mission
milakel Resident: hehe
Storm Nordwind: Interesting - thanks Raffi. Though much of the interest (from an ex-engineer's POV) is working it all out and building themselves. Even if put a ring around the sim, it really wouldn't be very ambitious compared to the SLRR.
Bleu Oleander: take you time ... i'm enjoying my status
milakel Resident: you go get them, tiger! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: lol, Bleu
Raffila Millgrove: you need to look into it Storm. you are building yourself.
Storm Nordwind: I will. Thanks!
Raffila Millgrove: hope you enjoy. sorry to speak off topic.. when Hunt is in topic.
milakel Resident: no offtopic here, raff :)
stevenaia Michinaga: back to my question, is there a link to the hunk on the wiki?
stevenaia Michinaga: 8Hunt
stevenaia Michinaga: *
Storm Nordwind: Raffi is being considerate - and I much appreciate that :))
milakel Resident: i don't think so, stev
stevenaia Michinaga: will check my emails
Storm Nordwind: No. But there is a Treasure Chest on which to click to get all the details

--BELL--

Storm Nordwind: the Treasure Chest (and Roll of Honor) is in the NW corner of the Anniversary Tree plot. Catch the monorail and it will take you there! ;)
milakel Resident: unless you crash on the road :)
stevenaia Michinaga: will consider turning myself loose on the hunt
milakel Resident: good plan, stev :)
Storm Nordwind: Argh - no one is safe now!
Raffila Millgrove: wonders what is the word?
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm trying to see if I can sent the ribbon commands
Raffila Millgrove: ah
stevenaia Michinaga: to no avail
Raffila Millgrove: ah it's not cooperating today!
stevenaia Michinaga: at times it is like a time machine, journey back to early logs of PaB
Storm Nordwind: If you had a time machine and could guarantee not to alter the course of intervening history, where would you go?
Bleu Oleander: the future
stevenaia Michinaga: to observe only.... hmmm

--BELL--

Raffila Millgrove got lost reading that link to the chatlog.. the meet session was kind of hilarious.
stevenaia Michinaga: for some strange treason the thought of hanging with moses when he got the 10 commandments pops into my ing
stevenaia Michinaga: mind
Raffila Millgrove: wow. what a Big Day.. interesting choice.
stevenaia Michinaga: burning bush, physical existence of god, laws governing millenia, interesting thing to watch
Raffila Millgrove: yes.
Raffila Millgrove: would you be surprised if it was very different from the stories told of it today?
Raffila Millgrove: i would be surprised if it were the same as we can read now.
stevenaia Michinaga: well, that would be the point... to see
Raffila Millgrove: well a burning bush.. one thing you could see for sure. but if God was only.. heard in Moses mind.. be kind of disappointing.
stevenaia Michinaga: moses takes out his zippo and ignites some shrubbery so he can etch into some stone perhaps
Storm Nordwind chuckles
stevenaia Michinaga: what about you storm?
milakel Resident: aph? any luck? :)
Aphrodite Macbain: not a lotus to be found
milakel Resident: heh
Storm Nordwind: I hadn't thought of it before just now. I thought of going back to buddha Shakyanmuni's enlightenment of first discourses... or more personally, to whatever consciousness I had before this life.
milakel Resident: i'd go to the random future
Aphrodite Macbain: say more Storm?
Storm Nordwind: Well the first is off historic interest, and it's inspiring to be in the presence of greatness that is a living example of "You can do this too".
Raffila Millgrove: i thought we had to go back. i too would go forward.

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: Seems I insulted the SL gods
milakel Resident: storm, i think the gloss of enlightment came with time and at the time it was a simple discussion :)
Storm Nordwind: You are welcome to your thoughts Mila ;)) Then lets find a case of genuine enlightenment. Hit the search button on the time machine. :)
Raffila Millgrove: what is a case of geniune enlightenment?
Storm Nordwind: Well that is another question - very big! :)
Raffila Millgrove: you know why i ask.. because every time i see the word "genuine" that conjurs up.. "fake". so i was thinking there were likely a lot of fake enlightentments too the, so how we know which is which?
Storm Nordwind: The word "genuine" was a tease at Mila :) But I understand your point. If one becomes completely free from suffering and is able to help others become so too, I would say that's hard to fake!
milakel Resident: para girl! :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Paradise
milakel Resident: so good to see you :)
Bleu Oleander: hiya Paradise :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Raffila Millgrove: due to the fact that someone told me yesterday she is going to become the new Jesus... i am not much for.. imagining anyone alive who reaches this state you describe.
Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves hello :) sorry I am so late .. had to work late :)
Raffila Millgrove: if she's the new Jesus.. i dunno.. i guess i could take a whack at being the new Holy Spirit.
milakel Resident: raff, modern pr can do wonders
Paradise Tennant: smiles and admires Bleu 's leaves
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Dounia
Bleu Oleander: :) Para
Storm Nordwind: The person people called Buddha always said not to believe anything he said simply because of the reputation others had given him. He said give a few things a try and if they work for you carry on; otherwise put them aside.
Raffila Millgrove: i think that people believe what yo tell the. If you want to tell them.. you are enlightened and cry jewels from your eyes (which someone did with a friend of mine) it's likely some will believe it.
milakel Resident: storm, yes, i like this in dharma. non-invasive approach.
Storm Nordwind: Some people want a living idol to worship. But that doesn't give them pure happiness, or remove their fear and suffering.
Raffila Millgrove: once you start squeezing emeralds out of your eyes.. i dunno. it's what made her believe he was enlightened, it's what made me believe he was a charltan.
stevenaia Michinaga: I always viewed enlightenment as something others see in you, but you accept as just your normal state
milakel Resident: in the same sense "genuine" is a perception. a personal experience, which may has little to do with common rules.
Storm Nordwind: I know nothing. If someone I met on the street did this in front of me, I would think they were a magician, physical or metaphysical. But what they did would not help me or others.
Raffila Millgrove: well your definition of enlightment.. it includes helping others.
Raffila Millgrove: in your view--it's not enlightenment.. if it doesn't help others.
Raffila Millgrove: that is my understanding. of your view.
Storm Nordwind: There is liberation and there is buddhahood. The first need not help others. The second does.
--BELL--
Raffila Millgrove: that's the thing Storm with having a talk like this. In order to say anything .. reasonable.. intelligent.. one has to accept that there is buddhahood. I am not disagreeing with you. just pointing out.. that it's a view you share with other buddists.
Storm Nordwind: I take a pragmatic view. These words are not helpful to me and to many. I'd rather let the Buddillectuals argue and explin them. I'm more interested in helping others. It's a way of compassion. And one of the nice side-effects of compassion is that it bring oneself the most complete and secure happiness. How this relates to buddhahood and enlightenment is almost unnecessary to me.
Raffila Millgrove nods. a very clear statement.
Raffila Millgrove is late for an appt. already by 20 minutes. so sorry. please excuse the dashing out.
Storm Nordwind: Oh dear - bye!!
Paradise Tennant: nite nite raffila
Bleu Oleander: bye Raffi
stevenaia Michinaga: must on the bright side of the world
Storm Nordwind: Always look on the bright side of life...
Storm Nordwind whistles
Bleu Oleander: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles,
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Storm Nordwind waves
stevenaia Michinaga: Night Bleu
stevenaia Michinaga: love the flower
milakel Resident: elegant queen
Storm Nordwind: Steve do you want to come get the Treasure Hunt details from the chest?
Paradise Tennant: nite nite bleu sweet dreams
Paradise Tennant: treasure hunt ?
stevenaia Michinaga: if only to wet my appitite
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Storm Nordwind: Yes Paradise
stevenaia Michinaga: shall we ride the Being Express?
Storm Nordwind: Several people have been having a lot of fun obsessing about it, it seems!
stevenaia Michinaga: <--- not the obsessive type (yet)
Storm Nordwind: Currently at the far station. Just about to return
Paradise Tennant: smiles
milakel Resident: do you think it's better to be obsessed with a treasure hunt or a sacred buddhist meeting, storm? :)
Paradise Tennant: lovely knowing your train is coming
Storm Nordwind: No Mila! ;-))
stevenaia Michinaga: okies, off to the station