2008.08.27 19:00 - The Nines

The guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are stevenaia's.

I arrived to Adelene sitting alone in the pavillion

stevenaia Michigana: have you been to any meeting since the sundya guardian meeting, I read the log, wonders if the structure has changed
Adelene Dawner: The structure hasn't changed but the guardians seem to be focusing more on the nines.
stevenaia Michigana: nines?
Adelene Dawner: 9-second meditations.
stevenaia Michigana: aww, always wondered what to call it , very nice term
Adelene Dawner: ^.^ thanks
stevenaia Michigana: oh, yours?.. lovely
Adelene Dawner: I get like that, with words - The smallest possible unit is always best.
stevenaia Michigana: the creative it from this group is great, from the logo to the techies, it just keeps going and going
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
stevenaia Michigana: creativity
stevenaia Michigana: are you typing or caressing your orb?
Adelene Dawner: I'm kicking around the idea of making a display, for here or for the new pavilion - a moon with several hands pointing to it, and each hand will havea mark representing a way of playing as being (the nines would be one) and when clicked the hand would give a notecard about its form of play.
stevenaia Michigana: hmmm, sounds intreging
stevenaia Michigana: there does need to be some wayfinding for the noobies
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
stevenaia Michigana: it seems to be an ongoing topic
stevenaia Michigana: as it should be
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
Adelene Dawner afks for a minute to get her dinner, brb. 

Maxine Walden joins us

stevenaia Michigana: hello Maxine
Maxine Walden: hi, guys,
Maxine Walden: how is everyone?
stevenaia Michigana: I am fine, Ade is afk
stevenaia Michigana: how are you?
Adelene Dawner is back.
stevenaia Michigana: wb
Maxine Walden: I'm OK, Adelene, nice outfit!
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Maxine Walden: a bird of some beautiful sort?
stevenaia Michigana: she always makes us feel underdressed
Maxine Walden: yes, I agree, Steve
stevenaia Michigana: I just love watching her type
Adelene Dawner: Fine then ^.^
stevenaia Michigana: no, that wasn;t a reason to suggest you should change
Maxine Walden: oh, Adelene, its ok, hope you did not give up your beatiful feathers becasue of our comment; we were admiring it
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
Maxine Walden: *beautiful
stevenaia Michigana: I always enjoyed blue hair


Maxine Walden: I was thinking of getting a guardian hut today. Storm helped me look at some land but I could not figure our the 'hut' part at all. Do either of you have a hut?
stevenaia Michigana: I haven't built anything here
stevenaia Michigana: to much like my Rl
Adelene Dawner: I don't have a plot of PaB land, but I build, I can help you out if you need something put together.
Maxine Walden: I see. Oh, thanks Adelene, I might take you up on that!
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Maxine Walden: Steve, are you a builder in RL?
stevenaia Michigana: I am an architect
stevenaia Michigana: so I do what budlers do here, I virtually build
Maxine Walden: oh, yes, sorry, we talked about that and I knew it, just slipped my mind
stevenaia Michigana: no problem
stevenaia Michigana: learning another 3d design program like in SL would just consume me
stevenaia Michigana: I same that for RL
stevenaia Michigana: save
Maxine Walden: I can imagine, enough is enough
stevenaia Michigana: actually, that;s the problem, I would enjoy it to much here
stevenaia Michigana: so I just keep that part of me in Rl
Maxine Walden: Adelene, you do build here in SL? Ah, too much fun, Steve
Adelene Dawner: Yep - build and script.
Maxine Walden: you do build here in SL,ah sounds like you are very versatile in SL!
stevenaia Michigana: no such thing as to much fun, however to little time is where things collide
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Maxine Walden: I'm getting flashing lights for each of you, if zoom in that may help?
Adelene Dawner: o.O
Maxine Walden: don't know what o.0 means, Adelene
stevenaia Michigana: I took a picture of us blue haired souls for the Wiki if you don;t mind

Starseed Xue arrives  standing and the discussion focuses on "The nines" (PaB, YSBS)

stevenaia Michigana: hello Starseed

Starseed Xue: hi
Maxine Walden: fine with me
Adelene Dawner: o.O is a raised eyebrow - confusion, in this context
Maxine Walden: hi, Starseed
Maxine Walden: thanks, again, Adelene
Adelene Dawner: no problem :)
Maxine Walden: care to join us, Starseed?
Adelene Dawner: So, how have you guys been Playing as Being these days?
stevenaia Michigana: I usually do it more when at these meetings then anywhere else, I need to put together my own 15 minute gong to remind me more
stevenaia Michigana: this is a nice place to begin, however
Adelene Dawner: The nines, you mean, Steve?
stevenaia Michigana: yes
stevenaia Michigana: :)
Maxine Walden: I have found that I am doing YSBS which for me differs a bit from the 9 sec practice
Maxine Walden: a bit
stevenaia Michigana: I ahve been trying that as well
stevenaia Michigana: take more thought
stevenaia Michigana: takes
stevenaia Michigana: for me
Maxine Walden: do you have a preference, 9 sec or YSBS?
stevenaia Michigana: but it gives the nines movement for me
stevenaia Michigana: no preference.. just a matter of choices
Maxine Walden: right, what about you, Adelene?
stevenaia Michigana: have you practiced, Star?
Maxine Walden: 9 sec or YSBS?
Adelene Dawner: I more do my own thing.
Maxine Walden: ah, anything you care to share about your own thing?
stevenaia Michigana: when I do YSBS I have this moment of fast moving movie type scene that gets me between them, like a "fast forward" to chenge perspective
Maxine Walden: interesting, Steve
stevenaia Michigana: that's the movement I speak of
Maxine Walden: I see
stevenaia Michigana: it;s just not on perspective then change the "channel" to another
Adelene Dawner: Well, I have some executive disfunction issues, so any practice that involves stopping what I'm doing before I'm done doing it's a problem - I forget what I was doing very easily. But I do have a fair amount of time in my day when I can do YSBS type stuff for several minutes at a time - hours, even, in some situations.
stevenaia Michigana: I need to get "there" to BS
Maxine Walden: thank you for mentioning that, Adelene. We each have our own 'wiring', our own unique experience, and it is interesting to hear of each others' experience, at least for me
Maxine Walden: getting to Being Seeing can be complex for me too
stevenaia Michigana: but interesting to try
stevenaia Michigana: for me
Maxine Walden: yes indeed
stevenaia Michigana: however not doing it often enough shows how different it is from the nines
Maxine Walden: What kind of YSBS experiences are you having, Adelene?
Adelene Dawner: Mm, different things. I've been contemplating time from perspectives other than our standard 4-d experience, the last few days, for example.
Maxine Walden: time from other perspectives? I would be interested in hearing more about that; i think of time a lot
Starseed Xue: Adelene
Starseed Xue: first time i've seen you with a human av
Starseed Xue: lol
Adelene Dawner: It's hard to explain. But I think I'm going to be scripting up a display of one or two of the perspectives.
Maxine Walden: great, I will look forward to seeing them if they will be available
Adelene Dawner: Sure ^.^
Adelene Dawner hmms
Maxine Walden: sometimes silence, quiet is very nice. I am finding it so just now
Adelene Dawner: That's a very very simple version of the basic format of the display - it's one two-dimensional 'person' moving... each disc is an instant in time... time being only the third dimension for a 2-dimensionally-bodied creature.
stevenaia Michigana watches Adelene create

Adelene Dawner: Does what I said make sense, Steve?
stevenaia Michigana: somewhat
Adelene Dawner: It's hard if you're not used to playing with perspectives like that, I know.
stevenaia Michigana: no, I understand the pieces and the description , it;s how they apply to your tinking that is a bit more abstract
stevenaia Michigana: *thinking
Adelene Dawner: I want to actually make a life simulation, though, that's similar to this - different individuals growing and reproducing and dying and whatever, and the whole history past-present-future present in one display... I think it'll be pretty, actually. ^.^
Adelene Dawner: What do you mean "how they apply to your thinking?"
stevenaia Michigana: no, how they apply to your thinking,
Adelene Dawner is lost
stevenaia Michigana: what you described and constructed makes sence, how you use it ... is where I;m lsot
Maxine Walden: Are these creative elements sort of like thoughts for you, Adelene?
Adelene Dawner: Yes, Maxine.
Maxine Walden: like a thought embodied?
Adelene Dawner: I can kind of get the feel for these things when they're just in my head, but a complex 3-d thing like this is hard to hold onto.
Adelene Dawner: For something really simple like what I just built, I can...
Adelene Dawner: but to really get a feel for how we might look to Being, when seen from the 5th or 6th dimension... that's a bit beyond me without some help.
Maxine Walden: I have trouble even conceiving of the 5th or 6th dimension
stevenaia Michigana: I think it all turns into numbers at that point
Adelene Dawner: Me, too. I can hit the edges of 5-d on a *really* good day, but that's it.
Maxine Walden: I try to read those accounts, but just cannot seem to wrap my mind around them
Adelene Dawner nods.
Adelene Dawner: Hence the simplification.
Adelene Dawner: If I can represent a person, or a cell, in 2-d, that gives me a view equivalent to what we'd look like from 4-d, or 5-d if I use time, not just space...
Adelene Dawner: if I represent a person in 1-d, as a line, I can get up to a 6-d view
Adelene Dawner: (Hopefully, anyway ^.^)
stevenaia Michigana: there are times when I read about such things that I begin to understand as well
stevenaia Michigana: but those are more moments than an extended period, Being for me seems one dimensionaland all dimensional, the same view if it from any dimension
Maxine Walden: that's a really nice thought, Steve, one and all dimensional for Being
stevenaia Michigana: like a singular point of clearity
Maxine Walden: yes,
Adelene Dawner: You're right about Being, Steve... this isn't supposed to represent Absolute-Being, it's supposed to represent us.
Adelene Dawner: Mostly, I'm trying to 'answer' the question that keeps coming up about death and how that works.
Maxine Walden: us in our ebbing and...oh, death
Maxine Walden: what is the qeustion about death, Adelene?
Adelene Dawner: what is it/how does it work/do we reincarnate
Maxine Walden: ah...yes quite a question. Currently I am moreless content with 'becoming at one with the cosmos'
stevenaia Michigana: you should check the wiki, Pema speaks to that a bit
Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
Maxine Walden: what does he say, Steve?
stevenaia Michigana: I would have to look it up, only Pema can bring clearity to his own words
Starseed Xue: namaste
Maxine Walden: I should go soon, have not eaten. Adelene, may I ask your help soon re building the hut, or putting it together?
Adelene Dawner: Absolutely. Just drop me an IM.

A Guardian project takes form...(hint hint)

Maxine Walden: I will. It will be fun to have your help and to learn more from you
stevenaia Michigana: hmmm, there are 16 "death" resuts from the wiki
Adelene Dawner: ^.^ @ Max
stevenaia Michigana: enjoy your dinner Maxi
Maxine Walden: oh, you entered the word and got lots of responses...well yes, see you both soon.
Adelene Dawner: I think this is it: http://playasbeing.wik.is/index.php?title=Chat_Logs/2008/07/2008.07.29_01:00_-_Lor_%26_Loa
stevenaia Michigana: yes, Pema has lots to offer about perceptions of death, the wiki seach is a very nice tool, perhaps I should bring of the idea of a Wiki Index, words linked to specific dicussions to you can search the index and find discussions as i just did with "Death" (Hint to those guardians who are incline to rise to the task)
stevenaia Michigana: I will be editing my bad typing tinight I see.

  

Adelene Dawner: Some of the logs are tagged for topics that were discussed. That'd do what you're suggesting, if the tag cloud was easily accessible.
stevenaia Michigana: so a pace of tags could exist?
stevenaia Michigana: a page
Adelene Dawner: I assume so.
stevenaia Michigana: time for me to go now, thanks for joining in tonight
stevenaia Michigana: always my pleasure
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Adelene Dawner: See you around