2008.06.01 07:00 - Naruhodo

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    That morning, our new guardian Rajah could not get into SL, because of internet connection problems, so Hotaru took the lead, and afterwards Fael, our even newer guardian, prepared the following chat log with comments.

    Fael Illyar: Hi hotaru
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Ah, you’re holding the meeting today
    Hotaru Myoo: looks as if…:)
    Hotaru Myoo: c’mon in
    Fael Illyar: I was trying to get a friend to come but looks like she got stuck elsewhere.
    Hotaru Myoo: I was here with Storm for the 1 am
    Hotaru Myoo: another adventuresome meeting
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: so tell me…
    Hotaru Myoo: tell me about the discussions you have had…
    Hotaru Myoo: you have been pretty active here
    Fael Illyar: Yes, so far 2 times a day from when I first attended.

    At this point, Pia appeared outside.

    Hotaru Myoo: are you participating in the PaB 0 second every 15 minute project?
    Hotaru Myoo: liking it?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I’ve been doing them every 15 minutes.
    Hotaru Myoo: kewl
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Pia! We’re in side
    Fael Illyar: Although, I don’t always come up with something to write.
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pia
    Hotaru Myoo: I haven’t found the way to writing anything at all yet
    Hotaru Myoo: So you are way ahead of the game
    Pia Iger: Hi, you two,
    Hotaru Myoo: How’s it going Pia?
    Fael Illyar: I sometimes get visions and put some words down that describe those but …
    Pia Iger: good. thanks. I’ve been twice yesterday.
    Hotaru Myoo: Visions
    Hotaru Myoo: do you conjure them at the time?
    Pia Iger: I have visions, too.
    Fael Illyar: Flashes or a bit more solid faint image.
    Hotaru Myoo: or are you reflecting …and finding them already in you present conciousness?
    Fael Illyar: I do not know where they come from.
    Fael Illyar: They tend to come more often when I do it during these meetings though

    Now that I’ve done explorations a bit longer, it seems flashes or visions come more often when I’m happier.

    Hotaru Myoo: Wow.. How about you Pia?
    Hotaru Myoo: Ah
    Hotaru Myoo: because you are already wired?
    Hotaru Myoo: perhaps?
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: It’s possible :)
    Pia Iger: not sure if you are talking to me, new to the chatting.
    Hotaru Myoo: What kind of images?
    Hotaru Myoo: Group chat
    Hotaru Myoo: just let it go,,,:)
    Hotaru Myoo: part of the beauty of this process is the flow
    Hotaru Myoo: nonlinear
    Fael Illyar: I think me and hotaru were primarily talking to each other but this is group chat so don’t feel like you shouldn’t say something if you have something.
    Pia Iger: sometimes vision of space, place, or in a park.
    Hotaru Myoo: huh
    Hotaru Myoo: so a more universal iconic imagery
    Hotaru Myoo: or is it coming from memory?
    Pia Iger: or in front of ocean, feel openness
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Hotaru Myoo: I think it is interesting that it is place

    This time Joseph appeared outside.

    Hotaru Myoo: and the reference to outer conscious state relates to space
    Hotaru Myoo: place
    Hotaru Myoo: our being refers to the physical
    Pia Iger: yes, the vision of places comes with feelings associated with them
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Joseph
    Pia Iger: Hi, Joseph,
    Fael Illyar: Hello Joseph
    Hotaru Myoo: We’re inside if you would like to join us
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: hiya
    joseph Ruhig: oh… My computer is bad…
    Fael Illyar: That was a bit late invitation :)
    Hotaru Myoo: we were just talking about the 9 sec reflection
    joseph Ruhig: and what is this?
    Hotaru Myoo: and how the images that are popping up reflect a physical presence for some
    Hotaru Myoo: a sense of place
    Hotaru Myoo: are you new to this group?
    joseph Ruhig: do you ask to me?
    Hotaru Myoo: yea
    Hotaru Myoo: you aren’t new here are you ?
    Hotaru Myoo: we have chatted before…:)
    joseph Ruhig: me?
    Hotaru Myoo: I am a bit ditzy…but
    Hotaru Myoo: is that what you were asking?
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Hotaru Myoo: k
    Hotaru Myoo: call me squirrel bait
    Fael Illyar: … squirrel bait?
    Hotaru Myoo: nuts
    Fael Illyar: ah, wordplay
    Hotaru Myoo: word play at play as
    Hotaru Myoo: couldn’t be a better place
    Hotaru Myoo: anyone want some tea while we are here?
    Hotaru Myoo: I’m serving!
    Pia Iger: I was just thinking about tea! yes
    Fael Illyar: I guess I could have some too.
    Hotaru Myoo gave you Sake in Flat Cup ~ White Porcelin (Wear Me).

    I’m expecting tea and I get sake … makes you wonder what Hotaru is up to :)

    Fael Illyar: not quite tea, this one
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Hotaru Myoo: the bait and switch
    joseph Ruhig: Arigatou gozaimashita!
    Hotaru Myoo: dou itashimashite
    Pia Iger: surprise, to me, drink in the morning.
    Hotaru Myoo: wear it Jo
    Hotaru Myoo: where are you Pia? In the world?
    Pia Iger: New york
    joseph Ruhig: how can I drink?
    Hotaru Myoo: you too Joseph?
    Hotaru Myoo: wear it
    joseph Ruhig: I´m in Germany, but i´m brazilian
    Hotaru Myoo: click on it,,,and wear it
    Fael Illyar: Find it from your inventory, right-click and select wear.
    Hotaru Myoo: kewl
    joseph Ruhig: what is the name, please?
    Fael Illyar: Sake in Flat Cup
    Hotaru Myoo: sake in flat cup
    Hotaru Myoo: look in recent items
    Hotaru Myoo: that can help
    Hotaru Myoo: ah…you found it
    Hotaru Myoo: great
    joseph Ruhig: ah, thank you!
    joseph Ruhig: Sake!
    Pia Iger: Sake cup goes well with Fael’s kimono.
    Hotaru Myoo: this ought to liven up the conversation
    Hotaru Myoo: indeed it does
    Hotaru Myoo: she is right at home in the tea house
    Fael Illyar: Yes, fits the theme
    Fael Illyar: Hello Doug
    Hotaru Myoo: hello doug!
    doug Sosa: hello!
    Pia Iger: Hello, doug,

    As if smelling the sake, Doug dropped in at just the right time.

    doug Sosa: please continue
    Hotaru Myoo: care to join us in a cup of sake….think tea if that is your drink
    doug Sosa: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: did you get it?
    Hotaru Myoo: we were just talking about the 9 second reflection
    doug Sosa: yes.
    Pia Iger: I am relaxing, like in real cafe/bar with friends
    Hotaru Myoo: and how it manifests itself in each of us
    doug Sosa: how do i drink?
    Hotaru Myoo: in inv, click it, wear it
    Faenik loves wells!
    Hotaru Myoo: hehe
    Hotaru Myoo: so Joseph…youa re brazilian living in germany
    Hotaru Myoo: and your english is fabuolous
    Hotaru Myoo: Pia…where did you say you were from?
    joseph Ruhig: hahaha.. My english is very, very poor!
    joseph Ruhig: like my german
    joseph Ruhig: :-)
    Fael Illyar is from Finland.
    Hotaru Myoo: you captured and responded quite well…
    Pia Iger: new york now
    Hotaru Myoo: we’ll give you an A+
    Hotaru Myoo: nice
    joseph Ruhig: wow! We have the complete worldwide here!
    Hotaru Myoo: state or city?
    Pia Iger: city
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: Fael, tell them where you are from…
    Fael Illyar: I thought I just did :) Finland.
    Hotaru Myoo: Doug…how are you doing over there?
    Hotaru Myoo: oh
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: duh
    Hotaru Myoo: I see now
    doug Sosa: fine, but i didn’t get how to drink my saki.
    Pia Iger: I feel peaceful here.
    Hotaru Myoo: go to recent items in your inv
    Hotaru Myoo: that is great Pia
    Hotaru Myoo: that sounded like your 9 sec relection
    Hotaru Myoo: find it Doug?
    doug Sosa: i get the cup in my inv, now what?
    Hotaru Myoo: rt click on it
    Hotaru Myoo: and wear it
    Pia Iger: yes. 9-sec seeps in the rest of time
    Hotaru Myoo: kewl
    doug Sosa: i click, it hilights, but nothing happens..
    Hotaru Myoo: can you talk more about the experience Pia?
    Faenik loves wells!
    Hotaru Myoo: in the drop down menu
    Hotaru Myoo: select wear
    Hotaru Myoo: after you right click on it
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Riddle

    Riddle drops in and Pia has something interesting to say about her explorations.

    Pia Iger: I used to only feel connected occasionally, now more often I feel I am with self.
    Fael Illyar: Hello Riddle.
    Hotaru Myoo: C’mon in
    Riddle Sideways: hi all
    Hotaru Myoo: greetings!
    Pia Iger: Hi, Riddle,
    Hotaru Myoo: Pia, do you think that is because this process is becoming more habituated for you?
    doug Sosa: ok, drop down and then, hey i drank it, but no intent.
    Hotaru Myoo: lol
    Pia Iger: I think the self is getting very close to me, a company, rather a stranger at the begining.
    Hotaru Myoo: nice
    doug Sosa: thta;s what my 9 sec often feel like. i try and nothing, i don’t try and it is there.
    Hotaru Myoo: Riddles…please join us in a cup of sake
    Hotaru Myoo: we are just reflecting on our experiences with the 9 second moment
    Pia Iger: and I am glad I took notes. Last Friday, I wrote a page.
    doug Sosa: hey how did i get up in the air?
    Pia Iger: a small page:)
    Hotaru Myoo: awesome
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I find trying makes it harder. All I can say about it is, don’t try. Instead, do.
    joseph Ruhig: anybody can explain me about this 9 sec reflexion? I know the 7 breath time to decide something…
    Hotaru Myoo: can you talk about that?
    Hotaru Myoo: sure….Fael…do you want to tell Joseph?
    Fael Illyar: tell Joseph?
    Fael Illyar is confused.
    Hotaru Myoo: explain to him about this 9 sec reflexion
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Hotaru Myoo: what it is..
    joseph Ruhig: naruhado
    Hotaru Myoo: the concept behind the project
    Fael Illyar: I wonder if I remember the text well enough :P
    Hotaru Myoo: xD
    Hotaru Myoo: you are reading too much…haha
    Riddle Sideways: there is a very good explanation at http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
    Hotaru Myoo: Riddles…you
    Hotaru Myoo: jump in
    Hotaru Myoo: wing it
    joseph Ruhig: i´m going there
    Hotaru Myoo: I think talking about it helps us all …
    Fael Illyar: Anyway, the way I do it, I try to let go of any feelings I can recognice and just try to “be”.
    Riddle Sideways: basically, rather then sitting once for hours
    Fael Illyar: I also close my eyes but that’s probably not necessary
    doug Sosa: the 9 sec is every now and then, stop and drop all asumptions and just experience for 9 sec. not it, and perhaps then talk about it here.
    Hotaru Myoo: helps clear the visual from your path
    Hotaru Myoo: don’t you think?
    Fael Illyar: nothing else, just be.
    doug Sosa: the 9 sec can be anytime during the day. Piet suggests every fifteen minutes., a kind of tax on time to be in no time.
    Hotaru Myoo: Dakini talks about the breathing
    Fael Illyar: I usually keep at it until I no longer feel like I need to do something else.
    Hotaru Myoo: so you find you are holding on to it fael?
    Riddle Sideways: my computer “gongs” very 15 min. and remember to breathe and write down that breathe
    Fael Illyar: You mean, doing it consistently?
    Hotaru Myoo: nice Riddles
    Fael Illyar: Well, my computer also gives me a sound every 15 minutes.
    Pia Iger: sorry, a phone.
    Hotaru Myoo: no Fael…I understood that you might be extending the moment beyond 9 secs
    Riddle Sideways: excuse me, I will be right back
    Hotaru Myoo: k
    Fael Illyar: There is also a bell outside this teahouse that rings every 15 minutes.
    Hotaru Myoo: careful
    Hotaru Myoo: the sake hits you when you stand up
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: it has been going off regularly this morning
    Hotaru Myoo: Moon set that up

    At this point Cal joined us.

    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Cal!
    Hotaru Myoo: Good morning!
    Hotaru Myoo: C’mon in
    Fael Illyar: Moon’s bell, yes, but my script.
    Caledonia Heron: hello :)
    Hotaru Myoo: well that’s good to know Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Hello Cal
    Hotaru Myoo: A collaboration!
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Hotaru Myoo: That’s awesome
    doug Sosa: naruhada
    Hotaru Myoo: so Joseph…are you picking up on this?
    Hotaru Myoo: Cal, would you care for some sake
    Hotaru Myoo: or tea?
    Faenik: no, it’s naruhodo, not naruhada.

    It started bothering me that people were reading Faenik’s random utterance wrong so I felt I should correct it. I should’ve said it with my own name instead of Faenik’s as it came out sounding like me, not Faenik.

    Caledonia Heron: no :) but thank you
    doug Sosa: thanks! means?
    Caledonia Heron: ah, ok, thanks :)
    Pia Iger: I am back.
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi back…we’re front
    Pia Iger: funny..
    Hotaru Myoo: What Doug?
    Faenik: it means “Ah, I see.”.
    Hotaru Myoo: sou desu ne…
    doug Sosa: thanks!
    Fael Illyar: I do the explorations but I don’t really measure 9 seconds in any way. I just do it until I think I’ve done it properly.

    Long side route but I finally managed to get back to Hotaru’s question.

    Hotaru Myoo: ah…
    doug Sosa: arigato
    Caledonia Heron: excuse me :)
    Hotaru Myoo: nice…and what is it about properly?
    Faenik: どういたしまして。
    Hotaru Myoo: leaving Cal?
    Pia Iger: I don’t measure 9-sec either.
    Hotaru Myoo: wb riddles
    Riddle Sideways: back, ty
    Hotaru Myoo: I think I’ll have to say that the moment always seem to present itself in a unique way
    doug Sosa: i must go. thanks for sake and many 9 seconds.
    Hotaru Myoo: the essence of presense takes over
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you doug
    Faenik: またね

    Doug seemed to be able to read Japanese so I thought I’d have Faenik tell him “see you later” in Japanese.

    Hotaru Myoo: and drifts to include the emotion of the moment
    Hotaru Myoo: no separation
    Pia Iger: or sense of non-attached.
    Hotaru Myoo: the nothing never occurs
    Moon Fargis: hello everyone :)
    Fael Illyar: Hello Moon :)
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Moon!
    Moon Fargis: slept well hotaru ?
    Moon Fargis: ah thanks
    Hotaru Myoo: I did
    Riddle Sideways: hi moon
    Hotaru Myoo: first timeto get 4 hrs straight in a while!
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: refreshed….ready for bear
    Fael Illyar: You sleep too little Hotaru :)
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Moon Fargis: yes maybe i should use this hammer again
    Hotaru Myoo: but in sessions over the day
    Hotaru Myoo: I’ll pick hours up from time to time
    Pia Iger: naps are very refreshing.
    Hotaru Myoo: along the way
    Hotaru Myoo: everything I do is in a rhythm
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Hotaru Myoo: like that
    Hotaru Myoo: like a firefly
    Hotaru Myoo: blinking on/off
    Fael Illyar: I did read about a sleeping rhythm where you sleep 15 minutes every 4 hours.
    Hotaru Myoo: in Iceland?
    Hotaru Myoo: and sleep all winter?
    Hotaru Myoo: sleep as being
    Pia Iger: so even for sleep, we can have many different version. nothing is fixed format.
    Riddle Sideways: :D
    Hotaru Myoo: our rhythms are us
    Hotaru Myoo: I have a very slow heart rate
    Hotaru Myoo: I will probably live to be 100
    Pia Iger: It is good you found your rhythms.
    Hotaru Myoo: slow
    joseph Ruhig: this is good, Hotaru
    Hotaru Myoo: even
    Hotaru Myoo: paced
    Hotaru Myoo: blinking
    Hotaru Myoo: on
    Hotaru Myoo: off
    Hotaru Myoo: glad to hear you are enjoying it Joseph!
    Hotaru Myoo: steady as she goes
    Hotaru Myoo: can anyone else describe their rhythm?
    Moon Fargis: hmm
    Fael Illyar: sleep rhythm?
    Hotaru Myoo: and what do you think guides it
    Hotaru Myoo: and how does the physical form the ethereal?
    Pia Iger: I feel I have yet to find my rhythm, one that I feel comfortable with
    Hotaru Myoo: the rhythm of the search
    Fael Illyar is not sure what rhythm is being talked about.

    I was getting really confused with what Hotaru was trying to explain here.

    Hotaru Myoo: not sure either
    Hotaru Myoo: it wouldn’t be interesting if we were sure
    Hotaru Myoo: do you think?
    Fael Illyar: I guess
    Hotaru Myoo: tangential rhythms
    Faenik loves wells!
    Riddle Sideways: so profound… yet elusive
    Pia Iger: to me, it is rhythm of how we go through the day and night
    Hotaru Myoo: to our everyday existence
    Hotaru Myoo: very elusive
    Fael Illyar is not good at talking about things she cannot define.
    Hotaru Myoo: just when you think you have it
    Hotaru Myoo: it slips away
    Hotaru Myoo: or changes!
    Moon Fargis: isn’t the change the rythm of everything?
    Fael Illyar: Hello Solo :)
    Solobill Laville: Hello!
    Hotaru Myoo: ah yes…well said Moon
    Moon Fargis: hi solo
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Solo!
    Solobill Laville: Greetings all!
    Pia Iger: Rythm is important. and we can actively build up for ourselves.
    Riddle Sideways: hi solo
    Moon Fargis: oh hotaru
    Moon Fargis: its 8
    Hotaru Myoo: ok
    Riddle Sideways: please excuse me, I go to yet another meeting
    Hotaru Myoo: well it looks as if we need to wrap it up for this morning/evening
    Moon Fargis: yes me too see you soon everyone
    Pia Iger: good to see you all.
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see some of you later :)
    Hotaru Myoo: thanks for coming Fael
    Hotaru Myoo: always good to chat with you…we’ll carry on soon
    Hotaru Myoo: Thanks to you too Pia!
    Pia Iger: thank you for the sake.
    Hotaru Myoo: my pleasure!
    Hotaru Myoo: keeps us lubed up
    Hotaru Myoo: haha

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