2008.06.05 19:00 - Hill and Flow

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    That morning, Rowan was already seated in the tea house when I arrived. I sat down, and started talking

    Pema Pera: Hi Rowan!
    Pema Pera: How are you?

    It quickly became clear that something was wrong with her connection, and after a couple minutes, her avatar disappeared. A couple minutes more, and she was back.

    Rowan Masala: good morning, Pema
    Pema Pera: hi Rowan!
    Pema Pera: welcome back!
    Pema Pera: I saw you here five minutes ago
    Pema Pera: but I guess you crashed?
    Rowan Masala: yes–I crashed
    Rowan Masala: yes
    Pema Pera: part of life here :)
    Pema Pera: How are you?
    Rowan Masala: part of life anywhere
    Rowan Masala: I’m ok. Intriguing day
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Rowan Masala: how are you?
    Pema Pera: oh, fine, delighted that so many people find this Play as Being useful
    Pema Pera: and especially delighted to see the great variety in approaches
    Pema Pera: the while idea is to make it as general as possible
    Rowan Masala: you’re very dedicated–it’s admirable
    Pema Pera: it’s my practice . . ..
    Pema Pera: my way of saying thank you to the Universe for being here
    Pema Pera: in this form in this realm for now
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Pema Pera: won’t last long
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: another few decades perhaps
    Pema Pera: very short
    Rowan Masala nods

    I asked Rowan about this difficult notion of Being that we are trying to deal with here.

    Pema Pera: What does “Being” suggest to you in “Play as Being”, if I may ask?
    Rowan Masala: Right now, as I’m just beginning to think about it
    Rowan Masala: it strikes me as a kind of harmony
    Rowan Masala: a calm
    Rowan Masala: a willingness to let the world move you in the direction that’s best
    Pema Pera: that’s a great angle to explore!
    Rowan Masala: It makes me think of a week I was at the beach last summer
    Rowan Masala: for a good bit of each day, I lay at the edge of the water
    Rowan Masala: and let the waves just move my body
    Pema Pera: sounds heavenly!
    Rowan Masala: I became part of it all, instead of struggling stay in the same place, or move with force to another
    Pema Pera: Hi Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: Namaste
    Rowan Masala: Hi Dakini
    Rowan Masala: Canimal?
    Pema Pera: ?

    Dakini had come in, sat down, and I was left totally puzzled by Rowan’s greeting. I did notice, however, the identical clothes that both were wearing, apart from a different shade of color, and after a while I connected the dots.

    Dakini Rhode: you got it
    Pema Pera: I didn’t :)
    Dakini Rhode: you must be a shopper!
    Pema Pera: !
    Rowan Masala: lol
    Dakini Rhode: haha we’re twins!
    Dakini Rhode: i love your taste, Rowan!
    Pema Pera trying not to notice similarities in dress and avoiding mentioning anything about it at all cost
    Rowan Masala: sorry–a total fashion faux pas, but I couldn’t resist
    Dakini Rhode: oh i like it - twins!
    Dakini Rhode: we need to turn the world’s values upside down
    Rowan Masala: agreed!
    Pema Pera: great idea!
    Pema Pera: Hi Doug!
    Dakini Rhode: hi doug!
    Rowan Masala: Hi Doug
    doug Sosa: hi, had to reload a new version..
    Dakini Rhode: oh no, really?
    Dakini Rhode: i’m so resistant to the upgrades…
    Dakini Rhode: each one is harder on my old computer
    Pema Pera: np, we all come and go here!
    doug Sosa: are we using voice?
    Pema Pera: no
    doug Sosa: good. i feel a freedom when i don’t need to worry about sounds i am making.

    I summarized for Dakini and Doug what had happened just before.

    Pema Pera: Rowan and I were talking about “Being” for a while, before you both came in.
    Dakini Rhode: please continue
    Pema Pera: And Rowan talked about not-doing with examples
    doug Sosa: we were still becoming, now we are being.
    Pema Pera: It is hard to talk about Being, with a capital B, which is a shorthand for totally beyond (like in the heart sutra)
    Dakini Rhode: Beyond, yet not beyond
    Pema Pera: and for me one of the most essential aspects is the notion that there are no problems
    Pema Pera: yes indeed, everything is beyond
    Dakini Rhode: ah yes
    Pema Pera: so what is here too
    Pema Pera: can’t avoid it
    Pema Pera: can’t escape
    Pema Pera: since there is no escaper
    Dakini Rhode: what is here is included in what is beyond
    Pema Pera: etc
    Pema Pera: but that is hard at first to get into, to know what all that might mean
    Pema Pera: sounds silly at first or a type of rethoric

    I meant to say: everything has already been beyond (what we normally consider them to be) and as such are not beyond (since there is nothing they could possibly be beyond of). Hard to express those subtleties quickly in one-liners.

    Rowan Masala: we had a professional development day at work today
    Pema Pera: yes, Rowan?
    Rowan Masala: and we did enneagrams
    Pema Pera: interesting!
    Rowan Masala: and it struck me that my type is particularly at odds with the notion of Being
    Dakini Rhode: how did you come out?
    doug Sosa: what if the difference betweeen doing and not doing is over-rated?
    Dakini Rhode: how can a type be at odds with Being?
    Rowan Masala: because one of the defining characteristics of my type, is that I see what is missing
    Dakini Rhode: um, ok, meet an “idealist”
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Dakini Rhode: :-)
    Rowan Masala: a Myers-Briggs NF?
    Dakini Rhode: moi?
    Rowan Masala: oui
    Dakini Rhode: infp
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Rowan Masala: me too!
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!
    doug Sosa: hi.
    Dakini Rhode: howdy!
    Rowan Masala: matching dresses AND M-B types
    Rowan Masala: how funny
    Dakini Rhode: very funny
    stevenaia Michinaga: morning Pema, hi Dakini, hello sweet Rowan

    After Steve stood patiently in a corner for and while, rezzing, and the conversation continued, he made his first attempt at sitting down, only to realize the seat was already occupied.

    Rowan Masala: Pema, Doug and Steven, have you ever done enneagrams?
    Pema Pera: I’m a little familiar with it, never went deeply into it.
    Pema Pera: interesting, though
    Rowan Masala nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: no
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems I still have some rezzing to do
    Rowan Masala: you can sit on my shoulder if you like, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: ..smile
    Rowan Masala: I’m softer than Doug, I think
    doug Sosa: yes. i come out such a mixed type, or “balanced”. But it is too non-historical for me. But a good place to begin in getting a group to see that peole really are different.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I didn;t see Doug… so sorry
    Pema Pera: that happens — I didn’t see you the other day, Steve!
    Pema Pera: even after ten minutes . . . .
    Pema Pera: gone gone . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: anyone else here I should be concerned about sitting on?
    Dakini Rhode: i see you, steve
    Pema Pera: there are four of us
    Dakini Rhode: haha sit at will
    Pema Pera: so if you see four, you’re safe!
    Pema Pera: there you go!
    doug Sosa: no sorry necessary. I am finding that me willingness to just enter in in RL is increasing because that’s the way you gotta be in SL.
    Rowan Masala: and you might want to watch out for the fire, too
    Dakini Rhode: the back seats are available
    Dakini Rhode: interesting the crossover
    Dakini Rhode: of behavior learned in SL

    Steve had by now found his place, and I took the opportunity to follow up on a lost strand from a previous session, http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/next-for-next-time/

    Pema Pera: Steve, I want to apologize for not getting back to your “next” the other day, when you brought that up, about 24 hours ago or so — hard to track time here
    Pema Pera: Do you remember what you said
    Pema Pera: about the “next”?
    Pema Pera: it got lost in the conversation then
    stevenaia Michinaga: that’s fine, it was more a thought I had about fate, the future and what one does with it
    Pema Pera: [2008/06/04 19:21] stevenaia Michinaga: one of the things I was interested in exporing is the concept of how we preceive “what’s next” [2008/06/04 19:22] stevenaia Michinaga: not what’s next in patticular but how we belive the next step is put beofre us [2008/06/04 19:23] stevenaia Michinaga: some people seem more structured, other perfer a fate driven next
    Rowan Masala: how does the notion of time work with the idea of Being? is there a “next” at all?
    Pema Pera: ultimately not . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is always a next
    stevenaia Michinaga: no?
    stevenaia Michinaga: next is what is brought to you
    Pema Pera: but we rarely talk in ultimate terms
    Pema Pera: conventionally yes, of course
    Dakini Rhode: in relative reality…
    Dakini Rhode: we perceive past, present and future
    Rowan Masala nods
    Pema Pera: in conventional terms, there is no role or room for Being
    Dakini Rhode: I feel poised on the cusp of “next”
    Pema Pera: When talking about Being, there is no us or time or next
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, next it me is the dessert of being
    Pema Pera: yet conventional reality is one way that Being shows itself
    doug Sosa: really? I think past and future are really weaker than present, and we can let present expand..
    stevenaia Michinaga: being present is what get you to next
    Dakini Rhode: steve, are you speaking of being open and curious?

    By now so many interesting ideas had been brought up that it was once more a real challenge to know where to follow up.

    Pema Pera: one problem is that we all use the same words in slightly different ways . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s not a matter of strenght or weakness of those meoment
    Pema Pera: well, Dakini, that is part of it, perhaps a side effect
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am speaking of choices
    doug Sosa: i must excuse self (who?) and go to dinner.
    doug Sosa: so adieu…..
    Pema Pera: enjoy your dinner, Doug!
    stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy, your next :)
    Rowan Masala: happy dining, Doug
    Pema Pera: Steve, wanna join us around the fire?
    Rowan Masala pats the cushion next to her
    Rowan Masala: wow–you really ARE a yogi, aren’t you, Stevie?
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    stevenaia Michinaga: love this oh so soft pillow
    Dakini Rhode: very flexible
    Rowan Masala: yeah–you really just melt into it
    stevenaia Michinaga: I’ve seen it happnes to others

    After Doug had left, and so opened up a place right next to the fire, Steve stood up but instead of taking Doug’s seat, he took Rowan’s suggestion seriously and instead took the tinies cushion right next to Rowan, with the effect that his avatar got folded up quite a bit.

    Pema Pera: The most difficult thing to convey in these conversations is the difference between seeing and thinking . . . .
    Pema Pera: between having an intuition, then experiencing, and reflecting and thinking about it of course, and then gradually seeing more and more
    Pema Pera: so many layers and levels
    Pema Pera: and here we each speak a few sentences
    Pema Pera: and hope we come across
    Pema Pera: and I do think our intentions come across
    Pema Pera: our feelings of friendship and encouragement
    Dakini Rhode: i suspect the process is the same for all of us
    Pema Pera: yes, and the challenge is how to communicate about some of the details
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it does take a while for clearity sometimes
    Pema Pera: oh, yes, years :-)
    Pema Pera: Stim and I have been talking for more than a decade, and each time we get a little closer to communicating about Being
    Pema Pera: :>)
    Pema Pera: I’m wondering whether we could take some of the 7×4=28 sessions each week, and dedicate those to a topic
    Pema Pera: or perhaps a format
    Pema Pera: like one-on-one discussion for half an hour first
    Pema Pera: followed by group’s discussion
    Pema Pera: what do you think?
    Pema Pera: we could have two guardians volunteering to have a half-hour dialogue for a given slot
    stevenaia Michinaga: it may be what it takes
    Rowan Masala: I know I’ve only been to a few meetings, but I’ve never heard anyone actually talk about their meditation
    Pema Pera: oh we’ve had many of such talks, Rowan
    Pema Pera: but often only for a few minutes
    Rowan Masala nods
    Pema Pera: and then the conversation meanders :)

    We continued talking about the group’s processes.

    Pema Pera: have you had a chance to look at the blog, Rowan?
    Rowan Masala: some of it
    Dakini Rhode: the group is diverse, people drop in
    Dakini Rhode: not all practicing…
    Rowan Masala nods
    Dakini Rhode: i think we do pretty well considering
    Pema Pera: I wish I had the time to organize the blog better, to give more summaries and pointers — there are many gems in there, but buried a bit . . . .
    Rowan Masala: oh, I didn’t mean to be critical… I was just thinking it might be nice to have a session on the practice sometime
    Dakini Rhode: the times when you have one-on-one chats seem much more focused…
    Dakini Rhode: but is not always practical or possible
    Pema Pera: yes, Dakini, and no, Rowan, you didn’t sound critical :)
    Pema Pera: at all
    stevenaia Michinaga: or when the entire group is in sync… sometimes it happens
    Dakini Rhode: I envy Maxine her time slot…
    Pema Pera: yes, Steve, indeed!
    Dakini Rhode: yes, it does, Steve
    Pema Pera: it’s wonderful when that happens
    Pema Pera: and it’s likely to happen more
    Pema Pera: the more we get to know each other
    Pema Pera: and Being :)
    Pema Pera: Oh yes, Dakini, I’m stunned, frankly, by how well it is going — far far better than any of the many other approaches I’ve tried in the last half century :)
    Pema Pera: that was in response to a bit earlier sentence :)
    Pema Pera: lag here . . ..
    Dakini Rhode: the “new” ones joining are not necessarily “new” to experience…
    Dakini Rhode: or awareness
    Dakini Rhode: laggy
    Dakini Rhode: packets
    Pema Pera: that’s why it works so well, so much input of life experience here!

    Once again, the PaB bell gave a resounding gooonnngggg, the third one after the start of this session.

    Pema Pera: Love this bell that Moon and Fael put here
    Pema Pera: Steve, this “next”, did we address it this time?
    Pema Pera: I had a sence you put your finger on an important point
    Pema Pera: that we think we can choose
    Pema Pera: but often don’t?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure it needs addressing, I was looking to how people think about it
    Pema Pera: it is nice to watch our way of falling into the next moment
    Pema Pera: often just bleeding on, as Stim would say, heedlessly so
    stevenaia Michinaga: next can be an hill issue or a go with the flow issue
    stevenaia Michinaga: thought of that nature
    Pema Pera: do you feel you can steer to one or the other, sometimes?
    stevenaia Michinaga: like I said fate serves up “what;s next” presents you with choices, I enjoy the menu of what’s before me
    Pema Pera: and when sometimes it feels like flow and sometimes hill, is that a matter of choice, or does it just happen?
    stevenaia Michinaga: many I know swim against the current of fate and life .. I usually take the downstream path
    Pema Pera: that’s how we started this evening, with Rowan describing what I called not-doing. You used different words, Rowan, do you remember?
    Pema Pera: wb, Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: :-)
    Rowan Masala: hmm–I don’t remember exactly what I said
    Dakini Rhode: 9 second
    Rowan Masala: but yes–same concept
    Pema Pera: np!
    Pema Pera: haha

    Dakini had briefly disappeared, but it didn’t take long for her to recover from her crash.

    Dakini Rhode: i feel i don’t do much of anything… unless i’m inspired
    Dakini Rhode: otherwise, life is like a struggle
    stevenaia Michinaga: does being inspire what;s next or something else
    Dakini Rhode: i can’t actually answer that
    stevenaia Michinaga: jsut thinking, not sure there is an answer
    Dakini Rhode: ultimately, Being is all there is
    Dakini Rhode: logically, doing and not-doing are not different
    Dakini Rhode: but then, what i said before makes no sense
    Dakini Rhode: so hmmm better not say anything
    Pema Pera: different sense in different context
    Pema Pera: we can appreciate each context
    Dakini Rhode: yes relative and ultimate
    Pema Pera: the opposite of a great truth is a great truth too — but in a different context
    Dakini Rhode: :-)
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Pema Pera: but that doesn’t mean it’s all a wash — there really is a need for precision
    Pema Pera: after we’ve come on the same page
    Pema Pera: but my page is almost full here :) time to go to lunch
    Dakini Rhode: you just had breakfast!
    Pema Pera: great seeing you here again!
    Dakini Rhode: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: you go to the same place every day, Pema?
    Pema Pera: yes, Dakini, you keep noticing!
    Pema Pera: my time schedules fluctuating
    Dakini Rhode: i notice you and ryusho have a night during my long day…

    Since Dakini had noticed the other day, too, that my breakfast and lunch seem to be rather close sometimes, I dediced to be more specific.

    Pema Pera: for full disclosure: I had a banana one and a half hour ago, and now I’m going to a real lunch!
    Pema Pera: so banana was breakfast I guess
    Pema Pera: for the monkey mind as moon would say
    Dakini Rhode: and awaken talking about “last night” which was today
    Pema Pera: haha yes
    Pema Pera: confusing
    Dakini Rhode: funny
    Pema Pera: in English it is hard to say “12 hours”
    Pema Pera: “half a day” is not exactly that
    Pema Pera: how do you say that?
    Pema Pera: in Dutch we have two words for “day”
    Dakini Rhode: what is the meaning of “half a day”
    Pema Pera: one for day as opposed to night, one for the 24-hour day
    Dakini Rhode: my night is quite short
    Dakini Rhode: enjoy lunch…
    Pema Pera: anyway, good night y’all!
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Rowan Masala: have a good day, Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: good to see you pema
    Dakini Rhode: i really should go too - need sleep
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Dakini

    Leaving several `day’ strands unfinished, we nonetheless each went our own merry way.

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