2008.06.04 19:00 - Next for Next Time

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    That evening, I met Terri and Mongo standing outside the tea house when I arrived.

    Pema Pera: Hi Mongo, Hi Terri!
    Terri Holrych: hi
    Mongo McGinnis: i have been called away to walk my beagle
    Mongo McGinnis: ttfn
    Mongo McGinnis: i hoped to join you but such is life
    Pema Pera: c u next time, Mongo!
    Terri Holrych: hello
    Pema Pera: Hi Terri!

    After Mongo left, we went inside and sat down.

    Terri Holrych: how are u pema
    Pema Pera: Fine!
    Pema Pera: And how about you?
    Terri Holrych: okay
    Terri Holrych: its been weird
    Terri Holrych: i cant figure out where to live or what to wear
    Terri Holrych: i decorated three rentals
    Terri Holrych: and changed clothes five times
    Terri Holrych: what do it mean when your alter ego is biggger then your ego
    Pema Pera: you mean your SL ego?
    Terri Holrych: atha kept me up late the other day
    Terri Holrych: have u seen him
    Terri Holrych: yea me Secondlife ego
    Pema Pera: Atha has been here a few times recently, yes
    Terri Holrych: the pot was blocking your face so i moved
    Pema Pera: Yes, I’m glad we could talk with him
    Terri Holrych: yeah
    Pema Pera: How long have you been in SL?
    Terri Holrych: about a month
    Pema Pera: You’ve been exploring a lot already!

    We talked a bit more about Terri’s job and housing situation, and then Rowan walked in.

    Pema Pera: Hi Rowan!
    Rowan Masala: Hi Pema
    Rowan Masala: Hi Terri
    Pema Pera: welcome back!
    Terri Holrych: i gave money to a homeless person today
    Rowan Masala: thanks
    Terri Holrych: hi rowan
    Terri Holrych: im sitting like this because i dunno why
    Terri Holrych: but its kindof funny
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Terri Holrych: so i’ll stay here

    Terri was commenting on her sitting on a tinies cushion.

    Pema Pera: How have you been, Rowan?
    Terri Holrych: wassup wif ewe
    Rowan Masala: hmmm. ok.
    Rowan Masala: and you two?
    Terri Holrych: i have three barbie dream houses on SL
    Terri Holrych: one has a dance floor
    Terri Holrych: and a guan yin altar
    Terri Holrych: hi steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: superfast rezz tonight
    Terri Holrych: yay more ppl
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Pema Pera: congratulations!
    Pema Pera: Like the olden days
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pema, Terri, rowan..smiles
    Rowan Masala: hey Sweetie
    Terri Holrych: is 5 mps too slow for sl

    With Stevenaia joining us, there were four of us now.

    Pema Pera: Rowan, have you gotten any chance to try out the 9-sec explorations?
    Rowan Masala: you know, this is very embarrassing, but I seem to forget all about them until I’m here again
    Pema Pera: haha, that’s fine!
    Pema Pera: there are many ways to play
    Rowan Masala: definitely a sign that my life is too chaotic, or at least my brain!
    Pema Pera: and perhaps we can infect you with our enthusiasm
    Rowan Masala: I think that’s entirely possible
    Pema Pera: it seems to spread
    Pema Pera: :)
    Rowan Masala smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I am the same, plenty of 9 secs here
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: How about you, Terri?
    Rowan Masala: but play seems to be your natural state, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I find the topics usually interestinesting here
    Pema Pera: glad to hear that, Steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, true to my nature, Rowan
    Terri Holrych: sorry
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Terri Holrych: i didnt
    stevenaia Michinaga: one of the things I was interested in exporing is the concept of how we preceive “what’s next”
    stevenaia Michinaga: not what’s next in patticular but how we believe the next step is put before us
    stevenaia Michinaga: some people seem more structured, other prefer a fate driven next

    I had some lag, and as a result, it took a while to get my sentence out, and only then did I see Steve’s sentence. The notion of “next” is fascinating, and I’m sorry we did not get around to folow that up. Hopefully some `next’ time soon!

    Pema Pera: play has this wonderful ability to get us out of a fixed role, into other roles — but the radical thing I’d like to see happen here, over time, is for us to find ways to drop any and all roles — now that will be something — it will be incredible, inconceivable, literally
    Pema Pera: but possible
    stevenaia Michinaga: roles?
    Pema Pera: via Being
    Pema Pera: yes, identities, identifications
    Rowan Masala nods
    Pema Pera: in RL or SL or anyway, anywhere, anywhen
    Pema Pera: pure Being
    Pema Pera: is what is left
    Rowan Masala: patterns that we find ourselves repeating
    Pema Pera: when you drop the roles
    stevenaia Michinaga: does that mean absorbtion of surroundings or excluding them
    Pema Pera: pure Being is here already of course, but obscured
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: dropping
    Pema Pera: stopping
    Pema Pera: impossible to explain
    Pema Pera: but you can demonstrate
    stevenaia Michinaga: …smile
    Pema Pera: and when you sense it and fall into it, life won’t be the same again
    Pema Pera: (warning)
    Pema Pera: hehe
    Pema Pera: it is so totally other
    stevenaia Michinaga: loosing your role implies dissappearing into the landscape to a degree…no?
    Pema Pera: no
    Rowan Masala: is it possible to fall into it? really?
    Terri Holrych: light pulses 1010101
    Pema Pera: and yes
    Pema Pera: more appearing than disappearing
    Rowan Masala: is it the absence of effort that will take us there?
    Pema Pera: finally you really appear
    Terri Holrych: its impossible to fall out of it

    Steven brought up a central aspect, love.

    stevenaia Michinaga: like love?
    Pema Pera: stopping is a start yes, no effort
    Pema Pera: love is what shines through, what can really shine through then, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: falling into it
    Rowan Masala: ah, it’s all too possible for most of us to fall out of love, Steve. you’re just exceptional, that way
    stevenaia Michinaga: you flatter me
    Pema Pera: responding to praise is one of the hardest things, I feel :-)
    Pema Pera: I commiserate with you, Steve :-)
    Pema Pera: haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: being in love …it can be a wonderful cumulative thing
    Rowan Masala: with regard to responding to praise, or with never falling out of love, Pema?
    Pema Pera: responding to praise, Rowan
    Pema Pera: I still haven’t learned how to do that right
    Pema Pera: as for love, as Terri said, if you look closely, you see there is no way to fall out
    Pema Pera: but you have to really see . . . .
    Rowan Masala knits her brow
    Pema Pera: doesn’t come easy
    stevenaia Michinaga: agreed, Pema I have learned to be thankful of it as a response
    Pema Pera: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: as it usually comes as a gift

    Dakini walked in, and we continued talking about how to react to praise.

    Dakini Rhode: hello :-)
    Rowan Masala: Hi Dakini
    Terri Holrych: hi
    Pema Pera: I feel if I don’t respond, I don’t seem grateful, but if I do respond it sounds like I’m affirming the praise, which I often feel is too much
    Pema Pera: Hi Dakini!
    Pema Pera: let’s praise Dakini!
    Pema Pera: for all the good she has done here!
    Pema Pera: and keeps doing day by day!
    Pema Pera: yeah!!!
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Rowan Masala smiles at Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: whaaat?
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Terri Holrych: it is wonderful
    Dakini Rhode: hehe
    Pema Pera: we were talking about the problem of being praised
    Pema Pera: and how to handle that
    Pema Pera: so you’re the guinea pig!
    stevenaia Michinaga: haha
    Dakini Rhode: i suspected as much….
    Terri Holrych: i have a friend who is obsessed with an ex boyfriend of hers
    Pema Pera: you’re knowing me too well by now, Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: so.
    Terri Holrych: is that like praising him
    Dakini Rhode: thank you sooo much as though it was real praise….
    Pema Pera: it WAS real praise, Dakini!

    And so it was; without Dakini there would have been no tea house and Play as Being would not have taken root here.

    Pema Pera: I meant every word of it
    Terri Holrych: yeah dakini this place is great
    Pema Pera: but normally I hold back ’cause I don’t want to embarrass you
    stevenaia Michinaga: obsession is hardly praise, terri
    Dakini Rhode checks the chat log…
    Terri Holrych: very creative
    Dakini Rhode: you know, i’m at a business conference
    Dakini Rhode: and it’s wonderful!
    Dakini Rhode: and lots of people are being honored and praised
    Dakini Rhode: those lines posted jumbled
    Terri Holrych: well you all are well travelled
    Pema Pera: I always feel that whatever good I may do is something coming through me, and I’m just being a good pipe, conduit; and what not-so-good that I’m doing is just me malfunctioning to some extent . . . dukha
    Rowan Masala: dukha?
    Terri Holrych: or karma
    Pema Pera: out of kelter
    Pema Pera: wobbling according to Isen
    Pema Pera: suffering
    Pema Pera: as in Buddhism
    Pema Pera: friction
    Dakini Rhode: i think if i do something good i already know it…
    Dakini Rhode: and am happy if someone else notices too
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Pema Pera: that forms a bridge then
    Dakini Rhode: praise when it’s not deserved tho - is a little uncomfortable
    Pema Pera: more than a little!!
    stevenaia Michinaga: happy, I am usually suprised
    stevenaia Michinaga: doing something good out of love or goodness is it’s own praise
    Pema Pera: yes, Steve, indeed!
    Pema Pera: but it is nice if someone notices :-)
    Pema Pera: Dakini, we started this thread by talking about roles, and playing giving a possibility to switch out of default roles, and I mentioned that Being means the option of dropping all roles altogether and finding an out-of-this-world type of freedom, literally

    At this point Trevor came in, with a lot of light being sprinkled around his avatar with his even more than usually elaborate special effects.

    Pema Pera: mister sunshine, welcome!
    Rowan Masala: If you had to pick one, what animal would you say comes the closest to the type of Being we seek
    Terri Holrych: i get pisses when i work hard and ppl disrespect me anyway
    Dakini Rhode: hi Tex!
    Pema Pera: animal?
    Trevor Berensohn: Erm D u weren’t kidding
    Terri Holrych: animal
    Rowan Masala: Hi Trevor
    Terri Holrych: mmmm lemme see
    Terri Holrych: think imean
    Pema Pera: Being is not a type of something that you can localize
    Pema Pera: has no identity
    Pema Pera: beyond space and time
    Terri Holrych: no animal
    Trevor Berensohn: Hmmm I never think of animals with this stuff
    Trevor Berensohn: Hi all
    Pema Pera: everything expresses Being, is Being
    Pema Pera: each mote of dust is all of Being
    Pema Pera: we are too
    Pema Pera: Hi Trev, fully rezzed by now?
    Trevor Berensohn waits for the Rez gods to do their magic
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m with you on that
    Dakini Rhode: Rez gods are slow tonight
    Pema Pera: ah, you may be too complex for the rezzz gods to handle, Trev :)
    Rowan Masala: perhaps it’s thr runes on your trousers
    Trevor Berensohn: Ha perhaps they should just sit with that then
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Terri Holrych: fwo gwang
    Pema Pera: Trevor, a challenge to the gods!
    Dakini Rhode: i typed that 5 minutes ago
    Terri Holrych: rainbows coming out of his lower regions
    Trevor Berensohn: Erm nope just a um, sugggggestion
    Pema Pera: what did you type Dakini, 5 minutes ago?
    Dakini Rhode: rez gods are slow
    Pema Pera: ah!

    And so they were . . . .

    Rowan Masala: Dakini, sometimes things that appear late to oneself in chat have appeared to others as typed
    Dakini Rhode: could be
    Rowan Masala: or so I’m told
    Rowan Masala: I saw your comment some time ago
    Terri Holrych: time space issues
    stevenaia Michinaga: makes for interesting conversation
    Terri Holrych: i just saw it
    Dakini Rhode: laggy packets
    stevenaia Michinaga: and sometimes misundersandings
    Pema Pera: like typos
    stevenaia Michinaga: funny, pema
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Pema Pera: I’m afraid I have to go now
    Terri Holrych: lunch?
    Rowan Masala: as should I
    Pema Pera: can someone catch the chat log, Steve perhaps?
    Pema Pera: close to lunch yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: sure
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Terri Holrych: have a good one
    Dakini Rhode: didn’t you just eat breakfast?
    Pema Pera: Great seeing you all
    Pema Pera: haha
    Rowan Masala: good day, Pema
    Dakini Rhode: bye
    Pema Pera: yes, light breakfast
    Pema Pera: need fuel for these sleepless SL nights . . .. .
    Dakini Rhode: hmmm
    Dakini Rhode: bye
    Terri Holrych: lol

    Stevenaia afterwards sent me the following log, for the remaining conversation after I had left.

    Rowan Masala: I must go as well. Good to see you all
    Dakini Rhode: bye Rowan
    Terri Holrych: mee three thanks for having me
    Dakini Rhode: you still here Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pema must serve a good lunch
    Dakini Rhode: :-)
    Dakini Rhode: the time zones are challenging
    Dakini Rhode: wb Trevor!
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting how this schedule melts them away 4x a day
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Trevor
    Dakini Rhode: lol none of the times are good for me
    Dakini Rhode: too early , too late…
    stevenaia Michinaga: the structure of being a guardian and filling in seems to be a logistical nightmare
    Dakini Rhode: and i do the zazen every night
    Dakini Rhode: feel like i’m on a treadmill
    stevenaia Michinaga: I see that, and read abit about it through a friend
    stevenaia Michinaga: Trevor has a nice exit, a poof of particles
    Dakini Rhode: i envy him his poof
    stevenaia Michinaga: this is quite a creation of yours, how does it sustain itself
    Dakini Rhode: zazen is a nice way to end the day i think
    Dakini Rhode: sustain itself?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I assume you pay for this sim
    stevenaia Michinaga: wb Trevor
    Dakini Rhode: just the land i have the zen retreat on
    Dakini Rhode: not the whole sim
    Trevor Berensohn: TY Steve
    Dakini Rhode: i’m glad your back too, Trev
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh, ok, not being a land owner I know little about that
    Dakini Rhode: and not ruthed
    Trevor Berensohn: hey I put pants on just for this mtg
    Dakini Rhode: dang!
    Trevor Berensohn: Haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you trevor
    Trevor Berensohn: I keep forgetting to ask Pema if I can use a little bit of the land
    Dakini Rhode: well you know you buy land… and pay tier for the privilege
    Trevor Berensohn: But perhaps Tara Ling works too
    Dakini Rhode: ah of course you can
    Dakini Rhode: o i need to add you as a guardian
    Trevor Berensohn: O ty Dakini
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go now…. see you soon
    Trevor Berensohn: I wanna b “wobbly”
    Trevor Berensohn: Good to see u Steve
    Dakini Rhode: bye Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon

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