2008.06.10 13:00 - Well Being

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    That afternoon, Genesis was the guardian, and she later sent me the following log, with her comments.

    I arrived in world to meet quite a group of guardians!

    Adams Rubble: Hi Genesis
    Storm Nordwind: We are awash with guardians - cool! :)
    Moon Fargis: hi genesis
    Delani Gabardini: hi genesis
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Gen
    Delani Gabardini: how many guardians are there?
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey all sorry I am late my connection is bad again
    Storm Nordwind: In total or here right now?
    Delani Gabardini: in total
    Fael Illyar: Hi Genesis :)
    Storm Nordwind: Must be between 15 and 20 now
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Fael
    Delani Gabardini: so many!
    Delani Gabardini: what are u guarding
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Moon Fargis: pab sessions
    Storm Nordwind: We get the glorious privilege of being able to evict trouble makers
    Delani Gabardini: oh no
    Storm Nordwind: So be very very careful :)
    Delani Gabardini: i better be good
    Storm Nordwind: Can you break the habit of a lifetime?
    Delani Gabardini: i surprised moon is still here
    Faenik: could be
    Storm Nordwind: This is called “Lulluing into a false sense of security”
    Storm Nordwind: *Lulling
    Delani Gabardini: isen is the real trouble maker
    Storm Nordwind: He is safely tucked away in his hermitage right now
    Moon Fargis: i just support isen to make troubles yes:)
    Delani Gabardini: just got an im from him
    Storm Nordwind: I can see him in Isen-an from here
    Delani Gabardini: he is coming
    Storm Nordwind shouts: Take cover!
    Faenik: why not?
    Delani Gabardini: yowee
    Delani Gabardini: i will start if that is ok

    And speak of the devil ;)

    Fael Illyar: Hi Isen
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Isen
    Delani Gabardini: hi isen
    Adams Rubble: Hi Isen
    Delani Gabardini: come join the monks
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi ISen
    Isen Enzo: Hi everybody.
    Isen Enzo: Hey!
    Delani Gabardini: wow isen
    Delani Gabardini: u talked
    Moon Fargis: ah hi isen
    Isen Enzo: The international monk of mystery….
    Storm Nordwind: Callsign… O
    Isen Enzo: yes….
    Faenik loves wells!
    Delani Gabardini: r we pab-ing yet
    Storm Nordwind: Whenever you like
    Isen Enzo: I am…
    genesis Zhangsun: always
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed
    Isen Enzo: yup.

    Delani shares with us her revelation

    Delani Gabardini: may i say something
    genesis Zhangsun: sure
    Isen Enzo: Sure.
    Storm Nordwind wonders what happens if he says no
    genesis Zhangsun: lol
    Delani Gabardini: well - usually during my 9 secs I have words or rarely images
    Delani Gabardini: today I had sensations
    Moon Fargis: sensations?
    Storm Nordwind: Great
    Isen Enzo: delani is sensational!
    Storm Nordwind: Ones that you can put into words?
    Delani Gabardini: tremendous
    Delani Gabardini: i had this tremendous sense of well being
    Delani Gabardini: i felt great love for all of u
    Delani Gabardini: i was almost in tears (joy)


    Storm Nordwind: That is fabulous
    Delani Gabardini: i feel so very close to all of u and the sense of oneness was so pervasive
    Delani Gabardini: it was an exquisite feeling
    Moon Fargis: (like a leaf on a tree saying hello to the tree)
    genesis Zhangsun: May I ask you Delani, it doesn’t make a difference, but just out of curiosity how long have you been doing PaB?
    Delani Gabardini: oh only recently - i would say about a week - do u think so storm - my first session was with u
    Storm Nordwind: Yes about a week ago
    Delani Gabardini: and not always consistent
    Delani Gabardini: sad to say
    Storm Nordwind: I remember similar experiences in my first week too
    genesis Zhangsun: that is amazing that you have been able to connect so deeply so quickly
    Delani Gabardini: but I still have this marvelous warm feeling
    Delani Gabardini: i am happy to hear that storm
    Storm Nordwind: Yes - it carries with you
    Storm Nordwind: Affects your whole day
    Fael Illyar: That’s certainly interesting effect :)
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Delani Gabardini: i would like that to be my perpetual state
    genesis Zhangsun: sometimes I think when we just give space for these sensations to arise they usually do, they are just waiting below the surface

    Bliss in the mundane

    Storm Nordwind: Did you find that it in any way inhibited what you needed to do in terms of mundane actions?
    Faenik loves wells!
    genesis Zhangsun: but in our busy lives we often forget they are there
    Moon Fargis looks at delanis warm aura
    Delani Gabardini: no to storm’s question
    Delani Gabardini: it has stayed strong
    Storm Nordwind: Great - I was hoping you would say that!
    genesis Zhangsun: what exactly do you mean Storm inhibited in mundane actions?
    Delani Gabardini: i have felt this after zen in my temple but never for so long
    Storm Nordwind: Gen I meant this…
    Storm Nordwind: When I used to meditate in the 1970s…
    Storm Nordwind: there was a feeling we used to describe as…
    Storm Nordwind: “Blissed out”!
    Storm Nordwind: But the meant…
    Storm Nordwind: that one was incapable of doing anything else
    Storm Nordwind: as functioning as a normal human being
    Fael Illyar: oh, I guess I can achieve an effect like that if I want too.
    Storm Nordwind: It is far better if one can carry on in the world and yet still carry that feeling and realisation with you
    Delani Gabardini: yes
    Fael Illyar just tried it.
    Moon Fargis: lets see i i can support your feeling delani
    Delani Gabardini: do u feel it fael?
    genesis Zhangsun: oh yes I understand
    genesis Zhangsun: thank you Storm
    Storm Nordwind: yw
    genesis Zhangsun: for expanding on that
    Delani Gabardini: ty moon

    Suddenly dandelion seeds were flying all around us!

    genesis Zhangsun: beautiful these tufts flying around
    Fael Illyar: Yes, although only while I concentrate. I’ve got some barriers up normally I guess.
    Isen Enzo: Dandilion seeds, I think…
    Delani Gabardini: lovely
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Isen thankyou
    Isen Enzo: A little early for fireweed seeds…
    Isen Enzo: Though similar..
    Delani Gabardini: adams how are your 9 secs going
    Adams Rubble: I have started a log and yesterday made some progress
    Adams Rubble: Today seemed about the same as yesterday
    Adams Rubble: I fought it a bit today
    Faenik: ah :)
    Delani Gabardini: u had good results the other day as I remember
    Adams Rubble: Yes, thanks
    Delani Gabardini: i think resistance is common
    Isen Enzo: I find discipline difficult…
    Adams Rubble: Yes I was fighting something
    Delani Gabardini: sometimes we sabotage ourselves and not allow good stuff to come to us
    Moon Fargis: how true delani
    Isen Enzo: …..mara effect, maybe…
    Delani Gabardini: yes
    Storm Nordwind: That is why the notion of PLAY is so important
    Delani Gabardini: try surrendering
    Storm Nordwind: You can suspend distrust as you can suspend disbelief
    Storm Nordwind: Just for a few seconds
    Storm Nordwind: and say “What if”
    Isen Enzo: Thats play…
    Storm Nordwind: and “Why not”
    Isen Enzo: for sure…
    Delani Gabardini: brb phone
    Storm Nordwind: Hello gilli
    gilli Billig: hi
    Moon Fargis: hi gilli
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi gilli

    Coming and Going

    Adams Rubble: With deep regret I must slip away again. I will read the rest. bye all :)
    Isen Enzo: The phrase in theatre is “willing suspension of disbelief”..
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Adams!
    Fael Illyar: Bye Adams :)
    Moon Fargis: bye adams
    Isen Enzo: Bye Adams.

    The Laundry and Chopping Wood

    genesis Zhangsun: Are you familiar with this phrase the ecstasy and the laundry Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: No. I can guess about it. But please expand on it! :)
    genesis Zhangsun: well it just reminded me of it when you were talking about this blissed out but incapable of coping wit regular daily life
    genesis Zhangsun: sort of state
    genesis Zhangsun: it is coined by Jack Kornfield
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Isen Enzo: yes, now I remember the phrase- “after the extack
    Delani Gabardini: someone has joined us
    Isen Enzo: extacy, the laundly!
    Delani Gabardini: and someone left
    Storm Nordwind: Could it be similar to the following?
    Storm Nordwind: Before enlightenment, chopping wood and carrying water. After enlightenment, chopping wood and carrying water.
    genesis Zhangsun: yes exactly
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. I understand that
    Storm Nordwind: This experience that we were describing earlier is just as blissful as that old blissed out state, but has the advantage that you can get on in the world
    Storm Nordwind: It rubs off you
    Storm Nordwind: And that means you can pass it on to others
    Isen Enzo: yes
    Storm Nordwind: People cannot helped being changed by it
    Delani Gabardini: yes i believe that is very true
    Isen Enzo: sympathetic ….
    genesis Zhangsun: I think it is quite unique when this sort of experience comes
    Faenik: could be
    genesis Zhangsun: that you are able to hold the bliss and function
    Delani Gabardini: i felt my love and empathy today
    gilli Billig: hmmm… so apart from being able to function in the world, you think there are other differences between these states..?
    Moon Fargis: im back.. oh a talk about enlightment?
    gilli Billig: except, is that just it
    genesis Zhangsun: I think often a person who is able to achieve this is someone who has a firm grounding in meditative practice?
    Isen Enzo: yes.
    Storm Nordwind: Hmm, perhaps
    Isen Enzo: I think it helps..
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    genesis Zhangsun: as well as a firm grounding in dharma?
    Storm Nordwind: I used to find Tai Chi helped that sense of grounding too
    Isen Enzo: helps to avoid distraction…
    gilli Billig: grounding in dharma? (apologies for the newbie question)
    gilli Billig: er… I need to become familiar with the language
    genesis Zhangsun: well I guess what I am trying to say is that it helps to have an understanding of some sort of spiritual principles for a point of reference
    genesis Zhangsun: in this state of bliss so that you are not just flying around
    genesis Zhangsun: ?
    genesis Zhangsun: not necesarily Buddhist
    genesis Zhangsun: could be anything
    genesis Zhangsun: but helps to have a grounding in some sort of wisdom
    genesis Zhangsun: in a way
    Delani Gabardini: not even religion involved
    genesis Zhangsun: to have a guide in this often I think disorienting state
    Storm Nordwind: A personal teacher is the best if you can find one who is worthy! ;)
    Delani Gabardini: but I agree I think one must have a strong practise to develop consistent bliss if that is the word we are using
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Delani so I am curious about your background if it is not too personal to ask
    Faenik loves wells!
    genesis Zhangsun: what is your practice?
    Delani Gabardini: sorry I am in an im - rude
    Isen Enzo: I think the feeling of well-being is not really “bliss”, but maybe just hair-splitting…
    Delani Gabardini: My background is 10 years of zen practise - Korean Soen
    Isen Enzo: well-being to me is a very even feeling….
    Isen Enzo: not high, not low..
    Delani Gabardini: I am also and ordained dharma teacher but that means something else in my order
    Isen Enzo: comfy..
    Storm Nordwind: I can understand that Isen
    Delani Gabardini: DTs usually focus on teaching zen

    Gilli leaves us…

    gilli Billig: guys… laptop running low on juice and no power leads… a fascinating discussion…
    Delani Gabardini: not so much on the Dharma - our Zen master does that
    gilli Billig: thankyou for letting me sit in
    Delani Gabardini: multiple discussions
    genesis Zhangsun: thank you for coming giili
    Delani Gabardini: nice to meet u giili
    Storm Nordwind: gilli - do you mind if we include you by name and what you said in our public blog?
    Fael Illyar: Bye Gilli
    Storm Nordwind: every 6 hours!
    gilli Billig: sure, go for it…
    gilli Billig: is this a regular group meet or just a chance “convocation”..?
    Storm Nordwind: thank you!
    Delani Gabardini: nice to have u here
    gilli Billig: cheerio
    genesis Zhangsun: oh no check us out
    Isen Enzo: See you later Gilli
    Fael Illyar: Yes, a meeting every six hours 1am, 7am, 1pm, 7pm SL time
    Storm Nordwind: Please look at the Play as Being website too
    Moon Fargis: bye gill
    gilli Billig: ok… understood.
    Fael Illyar: right here
    genesis Zhangsun: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/

    Blending RL practice and SL practice

    Delani Gabardini: so genesis I have a strong rl practise
    genesis Zhangsun: Yes I can understand that
    Delani Gabardini: and u?
    genesis Zhangsun: do you think this helps ground your blissful state?
    Fael Illyar: diving practise to RL practise and … SL (?) practise doesn’t make much sense to me :)
    Delani Gabardini: yes definitely
    Fael Illyar: uh, dividing
    genesis Zhangsun: oh i am just a student of life ;)
    Delani Gabardini: pls explain that fael?
    genesis Zhangsun: a complete newbie
    Delani Gabardini: the best kind
    Fael Illyar: I mean, if you’re doing practise of some sort, you do it in RL, even if you get instruction from SL, right?
    Delani Gabardini: confused - sorry
    genesis Zhangsun: me too
    Delani Gabardini: in many ways my practise is the same here and in rl
    Isen Enzo: I’m easily confused..
    Delani Gabardini: i acheive the same benefit
    genesis Zhangsun: so am i Isen
    Isen Enzo: I agree…
    Fael Illyar: maybe I’m just understanding practise differently.
    Isen Enzo: I use SL as an additional practice…
    Fael Illyar: could you explain what you mean when you say SL practise?
    Storm Nordwind: Delani - have you ever practised Mahamudra Tantra - that some call the union of bliss and emptiness?
    Delani Gabardini: no but I am wiling to learn
    Delani Gabardini: willing
    genesis Zhangsun: Tibetan Dzogchen?
    Delani Gabardini: need that d–m spell checker
    Storm Nordwind: It goes by several names

    PaB as sangha…chat room on steroids!

    Isen Enzo: Well, Fael, RL for me is a very small fishing village in remote alaska…
    Storm Nordwind: And latte-making too Isen!
    Isen Enzo: SL is a place where I can enlarge my Dharma friends..
    Isen Enzo: and Dharma discussion…
    Storm Nordwind: I am large enough!
    Isen Enzo: A place unavailabe to me in my usual RL situation…
    Faenik loves wells!
    Isen Enzo: Usually I would have to go on retreat to be around so many similarly interested people…
    Storm Nordwind sympathises
    Fael Illyar: In principle, I don’t consider SL fundamentally different from a telephone, for example. Both are tools for communication.
    Isen Enzo: I can interact…
    Isen Enzo: yes.
    Isen Enzo: a chat room on steroids…
    Isen Enzo: a chat world…
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Delani Gabardini: sorry - I got a bit lost
    Moon Fargis: isen just put some steroids in his chatroom
    Delani Gabardini: we practice meditation on sl as well as rl
    Isen Enzo: Plus- i get to wear my practice robe all the time!!
    Delani Gabardini: it has the same effect for me
    Fael Illyar: so I tend to see something like SL practise similarly to telephone practise, for example.
    Isen Enzo: hm…
    Moon Fargis: i think telephone meditation .. is a bit more expensive:)
    Storm Nordwind: Not on Skype!
    Delani Gabardini: fael have u sat with one of the meditation groups?
    genesis Zhangsun: depends if there is anyone on the other side
    Isen Enzo: yes- not on skype…
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Fael Illyar: No, I haven’t done any group meditation at all.
    Delani Gabardini: i think u may enjoy the experience
    Storm Nordwind: My fiancee and I do our Dharma studies together on Skype
    Isen Enzo: I think of the term “practice” as practicing Buddhism….
    Delani Gabardini: Moon has a group on itsari
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Storm Skype is the coolest invention ever
    genesis Zhangsun: basically
    Isen Enzo: so cool..

    Organizing another sitting?

    Delani Gabardini: dakini has a sitting here but it may be too late for u
    Storm Nordwind: Yes it is 4am for her
    Isen Enzo: ufff
    Delani Gabardini: ugh
    Delani Gabardini: well Moon’s would work
    Storm Nordwind: It is 2am for me, which is why I rarely attend
    Delani Gabardini: or Shak’s
    Delani Gabardini: no Shak’s is too late also
    genesis Zhangsun: Fael do you do group meditation in RL?
    Moon Fargis: yes i als plan todo more when my sim is up
    Fael Illyar: Mostly only people I talk about meditation with I know through SL
    Isen Enzo: Dakini has offered her zendo at other times- only needs timekeeper and advertizement….
    Fael Illyar: I’ve been trying to get my sister to try it but other than that I haven’t talked to anyone outside SL about meditation
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps we Europeans could set up a shift system like we do for this
    Delani Gabardini: that would be very good
    Isen Enzo: brb
    Storm Nordwind: Well there are three of us here now ;)
    Delani Gabardini: i think the issue is finding the timekeeper
    Delani Gabardini: i would be willing to do a shift
    Storm Nordwind: I will talk to Dakini about it and try and coordinate
    Delani Gabardini: we could have it after or before PaB
    Storm Nordwind: I was going to have a session in the Terraces orchards, but other things got in the way for while - like PaB
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Delani Gabardini: that way people would be here to attend
    Delani Gabardini: if they wish
    Fael Illyar: if the time is 11am SLT I could probably do a shift too I guess.
    Storm Nordwind: Yes - at 8:30 UK time for 20 minutes
    Fael Illyar: or close
    Storm Nordwind: 10:30 in Finland
    Storm Nordwind: 9:30 in Germany
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Storm Nordwind: and then on to PaB
    Storm Nordwind: evening
    Delani Gabardini: I believe Isen talked to dakini and she said it was ok to use the zendo but check with isen when he comes back
    Fael Illyar: oh, you mean morning?
    Storm Nordwind: As in in 90 minutes ago
    Fael Illyar: ah, right, just before PaB will work too
    genesis Zhangsun: Delani may I ask you some more about your well being experience
    Delani Gabardini: of course
    genesis Zhangsun: don’t mean to cut off all the organizing its great!

    Bliss and Attachment

    genesis Zhangsun: I was just wondering if you had any sense of attachment to this blissful state
    genesis Zhangsun: do you fear that it will leave you?
    Storm Nordwind: Good question
    Delani Gabardini: ah - very good
    Storm Nordwind has an answer for that too
    Delani Gabardini: I always have to work on attachments but i don’t think this would be so much of an attachment as a perpetual state I would like to be in since it brings a sense of well being to me and others
    Delani Gabardini: so if this is attachment so be it
    Isen Enzo: thats it!
    Isen Enzo: your state transfers….
    Delani Gabardini: ty genesis
    Isen Enzo: our smiles are returned…
    Delani Gabardini: i am honored
    Storm Nordwind: May I describe my own feeling on this point?
    Delani Gabardini: please do
    Isen Enzo: please
    Storm Nordwind: And the reason might be…
    Storm Nordwind: I felt no sense of attachment to it at all.
    Storm Nordwind: because it felt as though it was what I really AM
    Storm Nordwind: I am already this bliss

    Being Bliss

    Delani Gabardini: i like that storm
    Storm Nordwind: It was not something else outside me to be attached to
    Isen Enzo: Yes.
    Isen Enzo: yes.
    Isen Enzo: it may be it is our natural state,…
    Delani Gabardini: and it extends out
    Isen Enzo: under neath…
    Delani Gabardini: anyway I am so happy today because I truly realized that I love u all
    Storm Nordwind smiles broadly!
    Delani Gabardini: and u are me and I am u

    The teahouse garden was filled with Delani’s warmth

    genesis Zhangsun: thank you Delani
    Isen Enzo: and we are all together..
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you so much.
    Moon Fargis: isnt enlightment something great ?:)
    Delani Gabardini: yes the bonds on sl are very firm

    Playing from Bliss

    genesis Zhangsun: Going back Storm to what you said
    genesis Zhangsun: perhaps this is what allows us to play
    genesis Zhangsun: if we have the knowledge that there is no more than this
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    genesis Zhangsun: that we do not have to be more than who we are
    genesis Zhangsun: we can let go of our struggles
    genesis Zhangsun: our self doubt
    genesis Zhangsun: our games
    genesis Zhangsun: and truly play
    genesis Zhangsun: from our heart
    Delani Gabardini: very nicely said genesis
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Delani Gabardini: the joy of being
    Storm Nordwind: You release all delusion - what else is there to be?
    Delani Gabardini: just being
    genesis Zhangsun: play as being
    Delani Gabardini: yes
    genesis Zhangsun: on this note friends I must depart
    Delani Gabardini: i must also
    Storm Nordwind: A wonderful meeting
    Delani Gabardini: yes thank you all
    Storm Nordwind: I will write this up for the blog
    Moon Fargis: ok me too yes it was a nice talk :)
    Delani Gabardini: and thank you all for being
    Fael Illyar: Yes, nice talk :)
    Isen Enzo: Wonderful!
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Delani Gabardini: see u next pab
    Isen Enzo: gassho guys..
    Isen Enzo: leaving, Delani?
    genesis Zhangsun: bye all!

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