2008.06.11 13:00 - Gonna Get Wet

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    Fael took the role of replacement guardian, unexpectedly; she certainly got more than her shear of guarding and blogging this week! She afterwards sent me the following text, with her comments.

    When I arrived, Adams was already there.

    Fael Illyar: Hello Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Fael
    Adams Rubble: and Faenik
    Faenik: Hi Adams
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Faenik loves wells!
    Adams Rubble: There usually seems to be a big group at this time
    Fael Illyar: often is I think
    Adams Rubble: Have your thoughts changed from peaceful?
    Fael Illyar: still peaceful although instead of peaceful and lazy, now feels more like peaceful and clear
    Adams Rubble: That’s interesting. Mine went to nothing and I could feel a difference from peaceful
    Fael Illyar: nothing?
    Adams Rubble: not feeling anything
    Adams Rubble: when I stopped for the 9 seconds
    Fael Illyar: ah
    Adams Rubble: and I could tell the difference
    Adams Rubble: that surprised me
    Adams Rubble: that peaceful is something more than nothing :)
    Adams Rubble: so maybe not lazy :)))
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I think there is some sort of positive emotion mixed in
    Adams Rubble: yes, exactly
    Fael Illyar: feeling safe perhaps
    Adams Rubble: hmmm
    Adams Rubble: warm, certainly
    Adams Rubble: content
    Fael Illyar: yes, certainly
    Fael Illyar: I’m happy you decided to continue your blog :)
    Adams Rubble: You noticed

    Delani joined us.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Delani
    Delani Gabardini: Hi adams and fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Delani
    Delani Gabardini: adams - u look so different
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Delani Gabardini: very nice
    Adams Rubble: thank you :)
    Delani Gabardini: fael always surprises me
    Delani Gabardini: lovely
    Fael Illyar: thank you :)
    Delani Gabardini: where is everyone
    Adams Rubble: ???
    Fael Illyar: We were just wondering the same thing
    Delani Gabardini: let me round up people

    Moon arrives, apparently teleported here by Delani.

    Delani Gabardini: moon will be here
    Delani Gabardini: and here he is
    Adams Rubble: Hello Moon
    Fael Illyar: Hi Moon
    Moon Fargis: hello everyone
    Delani Gabardini: with a grey face
    Faenik: why not?
    Fael Illyar: Who has grey face?
    Delani Gabardini: moon
    Fael Illyar: not on my screen
    Adams Rubble: He is rezzing from the bottom up for me

    Moon then promptly vanished, apparently a crash.

    Delani Gabardini: he crashed
    Fael Illyar: already rezzed here… ok, not anymore
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble: I have to leave early
    Delani Gabardini: oh no
    Delani Gabardini: so what has been happening to u with your experience
    Adams Rubble: me?
    Delani Gabardini: yes
    Fael Illyar: a bit smaller meeting than usual this time.
    Delani Gabardini: its ok
    Adams Rubble: My blog has become public
    Delani Gabardini: how did u do that

    Moon returns.

    Adams Rubble: I linked to a session and Pema found out it existed
    Faenik: could be
    Adams Rubble: so I am infamous now
    Fael Illyar: (that only works if someone clicks the link)
    Moon Fargis: ahh nice crash
    Delani Gabardini: is there a link???
    Delani Gabardini: i must be missing something
    Adams Rubble: yes on the main page
    Moon Fargis: uhh cold stones
    Adams Rubble: I may have clicked the link :)
    Delani Gabardini: can u use word for the blog or do u have to use google
    Delani Gabardini: or does it matter
    Adams Rubble: rubblebornthoughts
    Delani Gabardini: i will check it out
    Adams Rubble: from the trash pile :)
    Delani Gabardini: Moon do u blog
    Moon Fargis: no and when i would got one it would be empty:)
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Delani Gabardini: hehe
    Delani Gabardini: fael?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Delani Gabardini: do u blog fael?
    Fael Illyar: No, although, I’ve thought of starting a blog a few times.
    Delani Gabardini: i find it very good to do it - writing down your 9 sec experience
    Fael Illyar: I use a sort of sticky notes like program for writing down notes when I have something to write down
    Delani Gabardini: good idea
    Fael Illyar: usually I somehow just come out empty though.
    Delani Gabardini: like Moon
    Fael Illyar: haha :P
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Delani Gabardini: I have something to share with u
    Fael Illyar: I find myself somehow unable to put incomplete thoughts to words
    Delani Gabardini: ah

    Delani decides to share a poem.

    Delani Gabardini: let me share this with u
    Adams Rubble: yes please do
    Delani Gabardini: And now as long as space endures
    Delani Gabardini: as long as there are beings to be found
    Delani Gabardini: May I continue to likewise remain
    Delani Gabardini: to drive away the sorrows of the world
    Faenik: could be
    Delani Gabardini: isn’t that lovely?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Delani Gabardini: it is from the way of the Bodhisattva
    Moon Fargis: nice.. and sounds like a loooooong task
    Delani Gabardini: Bodhisattvas have a big challenge
    Delani Gabardini: but they choose it
    Delani Gabardini: I would like to put that in my house somehow - maybe u can help me Moon
    Moon Fargis: sure
    Delani Gabardini: great
    Delani Gabardini: a reminder for me
    Delani Gabardini: do u all know what a Bodhisattva is
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Fael Illyar: just a texture with text will handle that :)
    Delani Gabardini: adams - u r buddhist?
    Fael Illyar: I think Trevor explained it to me …
    Adams Rubble: I am somewhere in the act of becoming probably :)
    Fael Illyar: but I can only recall faintly, not well enough to put into words
    Delani Gabardini: wonderful

    After that the conversation moves to Boddhisattvas and the cycle of life.

    Delani Gabardini: Bodhisattvas are enlightened beings who delay their entry into nirvana for the purpose of saving sentient beings
    Delani Gabardini: they continue in samsara - the cycle of life
    Delani Gabardini: a great sacrifice
    Delani Gabardini: since we all aspire to go to nirvana
    Fael Illyar: go? I was under the impression that it’s not a place.
    Delani Gabardini: well - state
    Delani Gabardini: whatever - i have never been in it
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Delani Gabardini: i guess i mean go in the sense of be in
    Fael Illyar: If they chose to enter nirvana, how would that differ then?
    Fael Illyar: (from the point of view of the rest of us)
    Delani Gabardini: they would be through with the cycle of life as we know it
    Delani Gabardini: not to return to it
    Delani Gabardini: no more incarnations
    Delani Gabardini: nice thought, huh?
    Fael Illyar: probably, except that reincarnation is the part of Buddhism I’m having problems accepting.
    Delani Gabardini: many do
    Delani Gabardini: I did
    Delani Gabardini: I find that the term regeneration works better for me
    Delani Gabardini: such as no more delani but some essence returns
    Delani Gabardini: i am only delani in this cycle
    Fael Illyar: Although, yes, I did read somewhere that ego doesn’t survive it.
    Moon Fargis: well arent we al like leaf’s on a tree?
    Adams Rubble slips quietly away with thoughts of good will to everyone

    Adams slips away with just this line.

    Delani Gabardini: but think of the possibilities if you can transcend ego in this lifetime
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: That is the ego thinking of the possibilities even if I do
    Delani Gabardini: what would that mean the next time around so to speak
    Delani Gabardini: it is only ego if u attach to it
    Delani Gabardini: if u move above it then what is it?
    Delani Gabardini: or better yet, what r u
    Delani Gabardini: is there then a you
    Delani Gabardini: someone is sitting in the clouds over there
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Delani Gabardini: i offered a tp to isen
    Delani Gabardini: he is very good at explaining all of this
    Delani Gabardini: it looks like someone on a magic carpet
    Delani Gabardini: Moon!!!!!!!
    Delani Gabardini: how wonderful
    Moon Fargis: ^_^
    Delani Gabardini: ty a million times over
    Fael Illyar: That looks very nice :)
    Moon Fargis: np :)
    Delani Gabardini: is that isen
    Moon Fargis: no :)
    Delani Gabardini: who is it do u know
    Fael Illyar: nope
    Moon Fargis: just met isen
    Moon Fargis: a few hours ago
    Delani Gabardini: he is not reponding to my im
    Faenik: could be
    Moon Fargis: ah i think he might be busy again in rl
    Moon Fargis: coffee..
    Delani Gabardini: yes
    Delani Gabardini: so may I ask - do u both do the PaB exercise on a regular basis
    Moon Fargis: yes as regular as possible:)
    Fael Illyar: I’ve been doing it quite regularly for around week and half now
    Faenik: ah :)
    Delani Gabardini: that is very good
    Fael Illyar: only exceptions when I’m not at home.
    Delani Gabardini: scratch that
    Fael Illyar: but I’m mostly at home
    Delani Gabardini: do u work out of your home, Fael
    Fael Illyar: Yes, you could say that.
    Delani Gabardini: well I have a class starting tomorrow night
    Moon Fargis: what kind of ?
    Delani Gabardini: database
    Delani Gabardini: basic
    Moon Fargis: ah mysql ?
    Delani Gabardini: no we use access

    From Boddhisattvas to database programs … the wonders of the flow of conversation :)

    Moon Fargis: ahyes
    Delani Gabardini: it is easier for newbies
    Moon Fargis: yes
    Moon Fargis: hehe

    Quilty walks over the bridge.

    Moon Fargis: hi quilty
    Delani Gabardini: most of the people I teach are business people and not techies
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi.
    Fael Illyar: easier, yes, although limited unless you learn it properly, in which case you could’ve just gone mysql directly
    Delani Gabardini: Hi quilty
    Fael Illyar: Hi quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: Am I interrupting something?
    Delani Gabardini: wno not at all
    Delani Gabardini: glad to have u
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you.
    Quilty Bookmite: Are you all Buddhists? Or are you here for some peace and quiet?

    I start my new participant introductory speech.

    Fael Illyar: We’re having a regular Play As Being meeting here, are you familiar with it?
    Moon Fargis: well i am in zen buddhism
    Delani Gabardini: not everyone here is buddhist but I am
    Quilty Bookmite: Not familiar, no.
    Delani Gabardini: i mean not everyone who comes here
    Quilty Bookmite: Of course.
    Fael Illyar: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ gives a short introduction.
    Delani Gabardini: it is an interesting concept
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you very much.
    Delani Gabardini: r u Buddhist?
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes. Soto Zen.
    Moon Fargis: ahh another zeie :)
    Moon Fargis: zennie
    Moon Fargis: zenie ?
    Fael Illyar: basically we do these 9-second explorations and try to write something after each one to record what we notice.
    Delani Gabardini: moon and I are zennies
    Quilty Bookmite: Cool.
    Fael Illyar: I’m not Buddhist myself but I guess I’m a bit Zennish.
    Quilty Bookmite: Not that it matters. :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: I found this place on a search for Zen.
    Quilty Bookmite: however, the concept of meditating in SL doesn’t quite work for me.
    Delani Gabardini: we have wonderful zen places on sl but this is one of the oldest
    Faenik loves wells!
    Delani Gabardini: have u sat with a group
    Fael Illyar: These meetings are blogged on the website I just linked to. Are you okay with what you say being blogged?
    Quilty Bookmite: It’s certainly very beautiful. Someone has put in a lot of effort.
    Quilty Bookmite: Yep. No problem.
    Moon Fargis: quilty: well your avatar is doing the zen in sl. in the meantime you can also do it i rl
    Quilty Bookmite: I haven’t sat with a group in SL.
    Delani Gabardini: would u be willing to try it?
    Quilty Bookmite: Sure, although not right now. I have some RL things to do.
    Quilty Bookmite: May I add you all as friends?
    Delani Gabardini: we can give u some schedules
    Delani Gabardini: yes please
    Moon Fargis: sure
    Quilty Bookmite: I’m a bit new to SL.
    Quilty Bookmite: Thanks.
    Delani Gabardini: I see u are from the UK
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes, so this is my evening.
    Moon Fargis: wow i think you are nr 100 in my friendslist now quitöy
    Delani Gabardini: well both Moon and Fael are europeans
    Quilty Bookmite: I only have a handful. :-)
    Fael Illyar: how do you count them, Moon?
    Delani Gabardini: I am from the USA
    Moon Fargis: well i actualy did 1 minute ago just i was intrested
    Delani Gabardini: we have PaB meetings that work for all time zones
    Quilty Bookmite: Excellent!
    Fael Illyar: Yes, meeting every 6 hours, 1am, 7am, 1pm, 7pm SLT
    Quilty Bookmite: Is there a group to join then?
    Delani Gabardini: Moon or Fael can u answer that
    Moon Fargis: sure
    Moon Fargis: i can give you an invite to the itsari group
    Faenik: why not?
    Delani Gabardini: itsari is a wonderful zen sim also
    Moon Fargis: i will hold a meditation and talk there every sunday 1 pm
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you!

    Isen arrives.

    Delani Gabardini: Moon’s meditation will probably work best for u
    Delani Gabardini: hi isen
    Delani Gabardini: about time
    Fael Illyar: Hi Isen
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Isen.
    Delani Gabardini: the other sittings are too late for u
    Isen Enzo: Sorry to be late…
    Isen Enzo: Will have to leave early as well…
    Isen Enzo: Wednesdays I lead short kayak tours..
    Isen Enzo: maybe be here for zazen..
    Quilty Bookmite: Sounds like fun.
    Isen Enzo: Tara has today’s note..
    Delani Gabardini: Isen - can u in your words define nirvana
    Isen Enzo: It’s a job..
    Isen Enzo: oh gosh..
    Isen Enzo: I think a literal trans of Pali is…
    Isen Enzo: “extinguishment”..
    Isen Enzo: for Nirvana..
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Delani Gabardini: so it is a state of non being
    Moon Fargis: ah btw .. the playasbeing group isnt officialy so i invited you to the itsari group
    Isen Enzo: kinda…
    Quilty Bookmite: Nothingness?
    Isen Enzo: brb
    Moon Fargis: quilty
    Isen Enzo: lattees
    Delani Gabardini: i think that is the idea
    Quilty Bookmite: thank you.
    Delani Gabardini: isen is a zen monk in rl
    Moon Fargis: well nothigness yes also to look at the “reality” in a way without your ego atm
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Isen. It seems that Zen Monks are grasping the information superhighway with a vengence.
    Delani Gabardini: we have quite a few rl monks on sl
    Delani Gabardini: and dharma teachers
    Isen Enzo: okay, back…
    Delani Gabardini: and practitioners
    Isen Enzo: Nirvana as “extinguishment” really means…
    Quilty Bookmite: I just fall into the latter category. When I have the motivation.
    Isen Enzo: the extinguishment of desire…

    Conversation then moves to Self and it’s (non)existence…

    Delani Gabardini: and of self?
    Isen Enzo: and it’s opposite, aversion…
    Isen Enzo: well, we are told there is no self..
    Faenik: ah :)
    Isen Enzo: no independent self..
    Delani Gabardini: well I wish I could believe I don’t have a self
    Isen Enzo: that is…
    Quilty Bookmite: Isn’t to say there is no self a sort of duality?
    Quilty Bookmite: Sorry, that wasn’t meant to be a trick question.
    Delani Gabardini: np
    Isen Enzo: I’m easily confused…
    Isen Enzo: and easy to trick…
    Quilty Bookmite: me too. :-)

    … or maybe not.

    Isen Enzo: but in my alter ego…
    Isen Enzo: double oh enzo…
    Isen Enzo: look out..
    Moon Fargis: omg
    Moon Fargis: he gonna explode
    Isen Enzo: yes- the international monk of mystery…
    Delani Gabardini: BOOM
    Moon Fargis: no we are zenmonks.. we impode:)
    Moon Fargis: +l
    Isen Enzo: OOO
    Isen Enzo: liscenced to kill delusions..
    Isen Enzo: Enzo….
    Isen Enzo: Isen Enzo..
    Moon Fargis: haha
    Quilty Bookmite: :-D
    Isen Enzo: Thash me..
    Moon Fargis: Isen Enzo in “Noone lives forever”
    Isen Enzo: so was my definition any help?
    Delani Gabardini: yes ty
    Isen Enzo: sure

    After some playing, Delani returns the topic.

    Delani Gabardini: what do u think fael?
    Fael Illyar: So, no desire.
    Fael Illyar: or aversion
    Isen Enzo: opposite sides of same coin..
    Fael Illyar: Yes
    Isen Enzo: accepting..
    Isen Enzo: abiding..
    Fael Illyar is trying to decide if fael - desire/aversion would still count as something close.
    Isen Enzo: I’m gonna get wet today…
    Delani Gabardini: why is that
    Isen Enzo: rain.
    Delani Gabardini: and u still kyack or whatever it is
    Isen Enzo: yes.
    Quilty Bookmite: We could do with some rain.
    Isen Enzo: only wind stops us…
    Delani Gabardini: very dry in us also
    Isen Enzo: rain no prob..
    Quilty Bookmite: I suppose you would get wet anyway. :-)
    Isen Enzo: wind a prob- danger…
    Moon Fargis: let me dry you isen
    Isen Enzo: lol
    Isen Enzo: yow!
    Delani Gabardini: wowee
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Fael Illyar: :P
    Faenik: why not?
    Quilty Bookmite: Nice effect.
    Delani Gabardini: hye faenik - I forgot to say hello
    Moon Fargis: yes this magica wand has some nice effect
    Moon Fargis: s
    Faenik Hello Delani.

    Faenik is always happy about attention. I give him too

    Delani Gabardini: sweet creature
    Delani Gabardini: so u are missing zazen tonight isen?
    Isen Enzo: maybe
    Isen Enzo: if I get back soon enough..
    Quilty Bookmite: Got to go. RL calls. It has been a great pleasure talking to you all. In Gassho.
    Isen Enzo: I’ll be there..
    Delani Gabardini: so nice to meet u quilty
    Fael Illyar: Bye Quilty
    Moon Fargis: see you later quilty
    Delani Gabardini: join us again
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you!
    Quilty Bookmite: I shall figure out how to use that some time.
    Isen Enzo: _/!\_

    Quilty leaves.

    Delani Gabardini: nice chap
    Delani Gabardini: well I must leave also
    Moon Fargis: oh ok
    Fael Illyar: Bye Delani
    Delani Gabardini: lets sign our song first

    Delani also announces she needs to go but wants to sing
    a song before that.

    Faenik: Bye Delani
    Delani Gabardini: sing
    Isen Enzo: which song?
    Delani Gabardini: ready
    Fael Illyar: yes
    Delani Gabardini: /ccs
    Delani Gabardini: /css
    Delani Gabardini: /ccs
    Moon Fargis: hmm?
    Delani Gabardini: mine is not working
    Fael Illyar: something doesn’t work right again

    After some trouble, we get the song started.

    Moon Fargis: worked:)
    Delani Gabardini: isn’t that lovely
    Fael Illyar: worked when I activated the gesture
    Fael Illyar: you aren’t wearing an older version too Delani, are you?
    Delani Gabardini: i am not sure what version i am supposed to be on
    Delani Gabardini: which one is it
    Fael Illyar: v 1.0
    Delani Gabardini: that one did not work
    Fael Illyar: the gesture itself isn’t versioned though
    Delani Gabardini: so i used v0.89
    Moon Fargis: ah
    Delani Gabardini: /ccs
    Moon Fargis: yes this is too old
    Moon Fargis: try atleast this one :)
    Delani Gabardini: /ccs
    Moon Fargis: and activate the ccs-start gesture
    Delani Gabardini: i did nothing happens
    Faenik: why not?
    Moon Fargis: hmm
    Delani Gabardini: /ccs
    Fael Illyar: SL is having problems again, that might complicate things too
    Delani Gabardini: yes lots of problems lately
    Delani Gabardini: ok - I am off
    Delani Gabardini: bye my friends
    Fael Illyar: Bye Delani :)
    Delani Gabardini: /gasg
    Delani Gabardini: isen have a good and safe trip
    Isen Enzo: k
    Delani Gabardini: bye
    Isen Enzo: see you
    Isen Enzo: bye all.
    Fael Illyar: Bye Isen

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