2008.06.11 19:00 - Role Playing and Building

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    That evening, a bunch of us arrived almost simultaneously: Doug, Pia, Maxine, Stevenaia and I.

    doug Sosa: hello michaelangelo
    Pema Pera: Hi Pia!
    Pema Pera: arriving here just at the same time :)
    Pema Pera: And hi Maxine!
    Pia Iger: Hi, Pema,
    Pema Pera: Great seeing you again!!
    doug Sosa: pema, wher are you?
    Pia Iger: I saw two went inside.
    Maxine Walden: hi, Pema and Pia
    Pema Pera: Well, let’s go in and join them

    After some initial confusion, Maxine having teleported in and Stevenaia also stepping, but Pia and Doug and I outside, the three of us went in as well.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hi, still rezzing only see doug
    Pia Iger: Hi, Maxine.
    stevenaia Michinaga: maybe because everyone is outside?
    Pema Pera: Hi Doug, hi Steve!
    Pia Iger: grap a good seat:)
    Maxine Walden: afraid I can only stay for a few minutes this time, but did want to drop by.
    doug Sosa: evening (here), hi.
    Maxine Walden: hi, doug
    doug Sosa: Hi Maxine.
    Maxine Walden: and Steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Pia Iger: did I say hello to everyone?
    Maxine Walden: Pema sems to be coming and going
    Maxine Walden: seems
    Pema Pera: must be SL having lag :)
    Pema Pera: I’m just sitting here
    doug Sosa: I see you.
    Pema Pera: Maxine, how have you been?
    Maxine Walden: yes, expect so. Been well, thanks, busy with lots of RL stuff, nice to be back
    doug Sosa: And since I don’t know, who has she been?
    Maxine Walden: even for a little while this time
    Maxine Walden: now it seems like lots of lights and blobs around the room, is that only my computer?
    Pia Iger: mine is normal.
    Pema Pera: mine 2
    Maxine Walden: ok, my perceiving apparatus…

    Steve had to leave, and Dakini walked in.

    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for the email Pema, I am considering it…. unfortunately, I must go
    Maxine Walden: not sure if that is SL or RL, sort of both, my ‘lightshow experience’
    Pema Pera: thaks, Steve, and have . . . ooops . . .gone
    Pia Iger: I was wondering if Maxine has tried the dream experiment Pema suggested?
    doug Sosa: i am fascinated by my ambivalence about people being other than who they are. (hold that thought, dream question is up).
    Maxine Walden: I would love to share some of my experience, wondering whether I should wait til I can be here longer, like tomorrow
    Pema Pera: Hi Dakini!
    Pema Pera: White Tara?
    Dakini Rhode: hi!
    Dakini Rhode: hmmm
    Dakini Rhode: pink
    Pema Pera: ah, still rezzing
    Pema Pera: started grey :)
    Pia Iger: Ok. Love to hear from you some time, Maxine.
    Dakini Rhode: grey tara
    Maxine Walden: yes, I had better go, WOW what a lovely outfit, Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: thank you Max!
    Pema Pera: Another Ryusho creation?
    Dakini Rhode: ryusho made this
    Dakini Rhode: yes
    Dakini Rhode: it’s a Korean outfit
    Pema Pera: yes, the high waist
    doug Sosa: just wonderful flow and colors
    Pia Iger: Hi, Dakini, Are you becoming a fashion model now?
    Pema Pera: seems that way!
    Dakini Rhode: the first ladies outfit he’s made…
    Maxine Walden: beautiful, really gorgeous.
    Dakini Rhode: yes fashion model now
    Dakini Rhode: haha

    Maxine’s time was up, as she already had announced earlier.

    Maxine Walden: sorry I have to go, see you all later
    Pema Pera: c u . . . oops . . gone
    Pia Iger: hope see you soon. Maxine.
    Pema Pera: gone already :)
    Dakini Rhode: you never get the last word in SL
    Pema Pera: people are leaving very quickly today somehow
    Pia Iger: have to type faster.
    Pema Pera: verrrrry fast
    Pia Iger: tough!!!
    Pema Pera: perhaps a keyboard shortcut!
    Pema Pera: as soon as you hit it, a random flowery goodbye sentence appears
    doug Sosa: or joyce’s Ulysses!
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pia Iger: wow.
    Pema Pera: that would do it
    Dakini Rhode: bfn works for me
    Dakini Rhode: bfn
    Dakini Rhode: can spit it out pretty fast
    Pema Pera: how about “b”, can that mean only back or also bye?
    Dakini Rhode: or be
    Dakini Rhode: b good
    Pema Pera: bw
    Pema Pera: be well
    doug Sosa: remember even goodbye is short for i think god be with you.
    Pema Pera: interesting!
    Pia Iger: I heard it somewhere.

    Pia brought us back to the previous topic.

    Pia Iger: And how about go back to Doug topic he just mentioned?
    doug Sosa: I started about my quisicalness about my experience of people being here other than they are there (RL) and how I feel about that. On the one side fun.
    doug Sosa: On the other, goes against the grain of trying to just be.
    Dakini Rhode: or does it
    Dakini Rhode: are they both appearances?
    doug Sosa: that’s the dilemma
    Dakini Rhode: the “real” appearance and the other?
    doug Sosa: In rl i try to feel your heart beating against my soul. Here it is so much more visiual
    Dakini Rhode: what a beautiful way to express it…
    doug Sosa: blush
    Dakini Rhode: it’s interesting… the lack of dimension here and yet…
    doug Sosa: what does the xdakini in green mean?
    Dakini Rhode: we are all sitting with all the dimensions and this is an extension…
    Dakini Rhode: the babbler is babbling…
    Dakini Rhode: Pema say something in dutch
    doug Sosa: van gogh
    Pema Pera: achtentachtig prachtige gaskacheltjes
    Dakini Rhode: this babbler does not work

    At least babbling in Dutch didn’t seem to work for Dakini’s babbler

    Pia Iger: actually since visuals are so easy to make here, I take them less serious. Just appeciate, but not attach the visual too much w/ the person.
    Dakini Rhode: does that seep into RL do you think?
    doug Sosa: I find it hardto make that distinction. iassume that the visual here is at least one aspect of what the person wants to be
    doug Sosa: what is that?
    Pema Pera: a mystery?

    I was just thickening the plot by also typing in green a few variations on the monotone “xDakini” that kept being spewed out by her babbler.

    Pia Iger: or, here we are given chance to take people’s look, age, gender loosely, so sort of detached
    Pema Pera: As is often the case in these kinds of dilemmas, the disease-linked cases speak vocally in favor of taking on a different role — paraplegics for example
    Dakini Rhode: i wonder about all the classifications by which we judge another… age, sex, “disablilty”, hair color….
    doug Sosa: I am an optimist. I want to believe that each person is at least that beautiful.
    doug Sosa: But I know that all such suppositions are unwarranted.
    doug Sosa: But maybe true!
    Dakini Rhode: so then the appearance could be anything…
    Pia Iger: In some sense, it is true.
    Pema Pera: This whole question will take on a very different form a few decades from now, when virtual reality will go beyond just visuals . . .
    Dakini Rhode: that brings up all sorts of questions…
    doug Sosa: Not so far awy. And will history intervene to lead us in a different direction?
    Dakini Rhode: you know that phrase, “religion is the opiate of the masses?
    Pema Pera: Marx, yes
    doug Sosa: yes..
    Dakini Rhode: I wonder wheter VR can be considered as an opiate
    Pema Pera: I can be addictive, but it is more active than using opiate, I’d say
    Pema Pera: many things can be addictive
    Pema Pera: but it could be a flight into fantasy, yes
    Dakini Rhode: other than addictive qualities…
    Pema Pera: but a shared fantasy!
    Dakini Rhode: there is the consideration that time spent here is time spent not doing “real” stuff
    Dakini Rhode: erasing
    Pema Pera: oh, but the amount of networking you can do here is in fact far more efficient than in RL . . . .
    Pia Iger: agree.
    Pema Pera: for example in my work in astronomy
    Pema Pera: which is not role playing
    Pema Pera: different use of SL
    Pema Pera: but also PaB
    Pema Pera: imagine how difficult it would have been to contact each other!
    Dakini Rhode: i imagine we would not have met
    Pema Pera: the dozens of individuals who come here regularly now
    Pema Pera: probably not

    We talked more about role play.

    Dakini Rhode: i don’t role play in SL
    Pema Pera: neither do I
    Dakini Rhode: despite my wearing a green tara costume…
    Pia Iger: imagine the real traffic headaches.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: As far as role playing, though, in RL too we have different roles at home, at work, at various hobby places, etc.
    Pema Pera: so in that sense we are all role playing all the time
    Pema Pera: as I think both of you have alluded to already
    Dakini Rhode: lost doug
    Pema Pera: yup
    Pia Iger: maybe he lost the internet.
    Pema Pera: probably so
    Pia Iger: I feel SL give us a chance to play out some part of our mind, which normally cannot manifest.
    Dakini Rhode: i agree Pia
    Pia Iger: It is still true of ourselves, but not truly “seen” in RL.
    Dakini Rhode: i spend most of my time in SL building things
    Dakini Rhode: don’t even see my avatar most of the time
    Pia Iger: Yes. explore creativity. which will be limited by RL access.
    Dakini Rhode: it’s a way to express creativity, now that most of my working day is spent in meetings….
    Dakini Rhode: i realize it’s like when I “doodle” on a piece of paper
    Dakini Rhode: except here i can make a teahouse
    Pia Iger: Yes, We get better “tools” here,
    Dakini Rhode: better lego blocks…
    Pia Iger: smile:)

    The conversation moved on to building.

    Pema Pera: I’d love to learn to build and script and all that
    Pema Pera: as soon as I can find the time :)
    Pema Pera: I would love to be able to express myself the way Storm is able to express himself landscaping, for example
    Pema Pera: or the way you built this tea house, Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: do you do any of that with te astronomy group?
    Pema Pera: not yet
    Pema Pera: it is on the list of things to do
    Pema Pera: first we are still organizing into a group
    Pema Pera: hard enough!
    Dakini Rhode: yes
    Pema Pera: I guess this group will start building too soon
    Pema Pera: we’ve been talking about it
    Pema Pera: Moon has started
    Pema Pera: Solo and Gen are talking about a pub
    Pema Pera: that they are playing with already
    Pema Pera: others are likely to follow
    Pema Pera: Pia, would you like to learn to build?
    Pia Iger: I do, but I don’t walk very well yet..
    Pema Pera: :)
    Dakini Rhode: oh that is cute
    Dakini Rhode: i don’t walk very well either
    Dakini Rhode: that’s SL
    Pema Pera: of course “building” can mean a broad range of thing, from clothes or whole avatars to houses to trees to, say, weather effects, the possibilities are endles
    Pia Iger: but you did build PaB group quite well!!
    Pema Pera: :>)
    Pema Pera: Thanks!
    Dakini Rhode: that IS another form of building
    Pema Pera: And thanks to you all for helping me!!
    Pema Pera: my role here, for now :)
    Pia Iger: I am fascinated various people come here and join the group!

    And back again to role playing.

    Pema Pera: talking about roles . . . . yes, it has really surpassed my wildest imaginations! . . . . .
    Pema Pera: While on the one hand it is true that Dakini and I don’t role play in SL, in the sense that our identity is more or less transparent (I have it on my profile; Dakini a bit more indirectly, after you find her blog), we do engage in activities that we wouldn’t easily be able to do in real life — so in that sense all of us are playing the role of being quite a bit more cosmopolitan than we really are.
    Pema Pera: this whole role playing is tricky to evaluate, I feel . . . I could argue about it in many different directions . . ..
    Dakini Rhode: hmmm… i lead groups in RL and i lead a group in SL
    Pema Pera: in that sense similar, yes
    Pia Iger: SL is extention of RL, can be.
    Dakini Rhode: i see a theme there…
    Pema Pera: extention is key, indeed
    Pema Pera: not same, not different . . .
    Dakini Rhode: what is different is it’s much cheaper in SL to build a retreat center…
    Dakini Rhode: and to come to one…
    Pia Iger: true, costume is cheaper too:)
    Dakini Rhode: and faster!
    Pema Pera: yes! Would have taken me 20 hours to reach you both, instead of the 20 seconds to rezzzzz
    Pia Iger: no laundry to do!!!
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: yes
    Dakini Rhode: i’m getting lots of costumes now… getting out of those black robes
    Dakini Rhode: funny
    Dakini Rhode: i found ryusho to make us robes…
    Dakini Rhode: and he makes me these lovely things
    Pia Iger: It brings pleasant experience to us, too, your outfits.
    Dakini Rhode: o thank you Pia!
    Dakini Rhode: i didn’t think about it that way
    Dakini Rhode: i see now
    Pema Pera: yes indeed!
    Pema Pera: we express and share our creativity and that of others, directly and indirectly
    Pema Pera: in so many different ways
    Pema Pera: SL has so many elements . . . roles. . . fantasy . . . networking . . . creativity in building, scripting . . . .
    Pema Pera: play, in short
    Dakini Rhode: SL can so take over your RL
    Pema Pera: a very playful environment in so many different ways of the word play
    Pema Pera: yes, it can . . .but so can other serious hobbies
    Pema Pera: some people completely loose themselves in one activity, whether sports or playing music or anything really
    Pema Pera: but perhaps the difference is that this environment is so broad, and offers so many different aspects . . ..
    Dakini Rhode: yes, and at the click of a mouse
    Pema Pera: Well, at around this time I’ll have to look through the mirror in the other direction: RL is about to take over SL :-)

    Gambhira walked in, and sat down to join us.

    Gambhira Skytower: hi
    Dakini Rhode: Hell Gambhira
    Pema Pera: Hi Gambhira!
    Dakini Rhode: hello
    Pema Pera: come join us!
    Dakini Rhode: hello
    Dakini Rhode: o dear, typo
    Pia Iger: Hi, Gamb
    Dakini Rhode: Please excuse me, i was just leaving….
    Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Gam?
    Pema Pera: bye Dakini!
    Pema Pera: in time this time!
    Pia Iger: bye, dakini

    Dakini left, and we summarized PaB for Gambhira

    Gambhira Skytower: yes…
    Pia Iger: so you know about PaB we are doing here?
    Gambhira Skytower: no i don’t know
    Pema Pera: we get together here four times a day
    Pema Pera: to chat
    Gambhira Skytower: cool!
    Pema Pera: not always the same people of course
    Gambhira Skytower: what times?
    Pema Pera: we do sleep (some of us do)
    Pema Pera: 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
    Pema Pera: we’re about to leave
    Pema Pera: we started an hour ago :)
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ has more info
    Gambhira Skytower: okay, well now i know the times
    Pema Pera: what we do is that in RL we engage in a kind of very short meditations
    Pema Pera: 9 seconds at a time
    Pema Pera: believe it or not
    Pema Pera: but then four times an hour
    Pema Pera: and four times a day we can talk about it here
    Pema Pera: to compare notes
    Pema Pera: we started about ten weeks ago
    Pema Pera: and we now have a core group of several dozen people
    Pema Pera: typically half a dozen each time we meet
    Pema Pera: feel free to come back, any time!
    Gambhira Skytower: thx!
    Pema Pera: Do you mind if we include your SL name in the blog?
    Gambhira Skytower: i will come again!
    Pema Pera: together with some parts of our conversations?
    Pema Pera: we tend to do that, but want to make sure people agree
    Gambhira Skytower: you mean with regard to future conversations?
    Pema Pera: any and all — unless somebody is not comfortable with that
    Gambhira Skytower: i don’t mind
    Pema Pera: for example, I will soon put the conversation of the last hour on the web
    Pema Pera: but if somebody is not happy with that, I can leave their part out
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Pema Pera: also, often people say something that is quite personal
    Pema Pera: and that I then leave out too
    Pema Pera: so it is not an automatic process
    Pema Pera: for example, details about somebody’s life that seem too personal I leave out — or I ask specifically
    Pema Pera: well, I have to leave now.
    Gambhira Skytower: ok
    Pema Pera: Good meeting you here!
    Pia Iger: see you. I will be tomorrow 7pm guardian, right, Pema?
    Pema Pera: let me check
    Pema Pera: That is Thursday, right?
    Pia Iger: so, Gam, tomorrow at 7pm, we will meet here for talk.
    Pia Iger: Yes. Pema. Thursday 7pm
    Gambhira Skytower: i might not make that one… but you’ll probably see me again sometime
    Pema Pera: and some of us will meet here also at 1 am, 7 am and 1 pm before then
    Pema Pera: sure, any time that is convenient!
    Pia Iger: No problem, Gamb
    Pema Pera: see you!

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