2008.06.12 13:00 - Dreams and Whirlwinds

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    At 1 am SLT in the afternoon, Storm was the main guardian that day. He sent me the following log with his comments.

    Storm was at the tea house. Or trying to be…

    Fael Illyar: Hi Storm
    Adams Rubble: Hello Storm
    Moon Fargis: hiya storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi everyone
    Storm Nordwind: I need to relog - nothing rezzing

    Seconds later, a safe materialisation. Once again we decided to keep chatting on the benches outside the tea house. This kind of a mixed blessing depending on your ‘point of view’. We can accommodate more people and random visitors can wander in and find out about Play as Being. We can also enjoy the sunshine. But also it allows for playful mischief - see later! Our first topic was about chat logging, something all guardians have had to grapple with.

    Fael Illyar: wb Storm :)
    Adams Rubble: I wanted to ask you, when you copy the local chat, how do you get rid of the times on the left
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you. Things are rezzing this time
    Storm Nordwind: It’s very easy!
    Storm Nordwind: You set your preferences to record conversations in a file instead
    Adams Rubble: Oh
    Storm Nordwind: and you can choose whether or not to have the timestamps
    Adams Rubble: thanks
    Storm Nordwind: as a config item
    Fael Illyar logs everything all the time anyway. With timestamps.
    Storm Nordwind: If you go to the Communications tab of your preference screen (ctrl-P) you will see all the options
    Adams Rubble: I see. Just check “log chat”?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes.
    Adams Rubble: and makes a file on the path?
    Fael Illyar: my text editor supports rectangular block selection so as the final step of log editing, I remove them :)
    Storm Nordwind: And if you want timestamps you’ll have to put those in by checking another box
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Storm Nordwind: called Chat
    Storm Nordwind: Be careful - it can get VERY big
    Fael Illyar: chat.txt to be accurate but the extension is usually hidden.
    Adams Rubble: That’s neat. I wanted to save Pema’s conversation this morning
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    Adams Rubble: I did but it had all the times
    Storm Nordwind: It won’t do it retrospectively
    Storm Nordwind: OK
    Adams Rubble: so you have to set it at the start
    Fael Illyar: my chat.txt seems to be 14 megabytes :)
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Storm Nordwind: I have a whole set now with dates
    Storm Nordwind: I keep archiving them
    Fael Illyar: I’ve got timestamps there so it’s pretty easy to find something if I know when it happened
    Adams Rubble: I have to leave in about 20 minutes and I will just slip away
    Storm Nordwind: No problem.
    Fael Illyar: no goodbyes again? :P
    Adams Rubble: OK
    Storm Nordwind smiles

    I mentioned the Adams’s blog which had been unexpectedly seen by some of the guardians.

    Storm Nordwind: By the way - I know it was unintended for anyone to read your blog Adams, but I thought it wonderful!
    Adams Rubble: Thanks, it was very nice what you said
    Adams Rubble: It made me feel much better
    Storm Nordwind: I am so pleased
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I just have to admire how much you manage to write about them usually :)
    Adams Rubble: Thanks :) I feel a little laid bare
    Fael Illyar: And it’s often meaningful too :)
    Storm Nordwind: We are privileged to see the intimacy. I am sorry to have mentioned it if it makes you feel uncomfortable
    Adams Rubble: No, it is OK. Thanks :)
    Adams Rubble: I need to do much more listening now though
    Adams Rubble: I have so much to learn
    Storm Nordwind: And it helped me too. I had had a hiatus for a week while ill. Now I got started again!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Quilty
    Adams Rubble: That is terrific

    Quilty arrived and joined us. We went through some introductions.

    Storm Nordwind: Welcome Quilty
    Moon Fargis: hello quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi. Thank you
    Adams Rubble: hello Quilty
    Storm Nordwind: Please excuse my ignorance Quilty - have you been to these gatherings before?
    Adams Rubble: just want to add that I know I am among friends
    Quilty Bookmite: Just once, yesterday.
    Storm Nordwind: Yes you certainly are Adams
    Storm Nordwind: Ah good!
    Storm Nordwind: That means I can dispense with all the intro stuff! :)
    Storm Nordwind is lazy whenever possible
    Quilty Bookmite: Certainly.
    Fael Illyar: Yes, lazy is natural :)
    Storm Nordwind: Laziness is the thief of time
    Fael Illyar: Depends on exactly what kind of laziness we are talking about :)
    Storm Nordwind: Ah yes. It does. There is the busy-ness that so many people do to hide their lack of meaningful action!
    Storm Nordwind: lazy from that is OK!

    Quilty described his immediate surroundings in real life: a room full of child’s toys. That became the trigger for a brief but interesting discussion on whether people are born with their good, bad or neutral qualities and what good and bad was in the first place.

    Quilty Bookmite: I sit here in RL surrounded by childrens toys that need tidying away.
    Storm Nordwind: That is very nice!
    Quilty Bookmite: And shows just how lazy I am!
    Storm Nordwind: perhaps you could play a little before tidying them?
    Storm Nordwind: och no!
    Adams Rubble: no :)
    Quilty Bookmite: I get plenty of opportunity to play with them when my daughter is awake.
    Adams Rubble: shows there are children
    Quilty Bookmite: And children are exhausting.
    Storm Nordwind: growing up can be overrated
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Well, at least some ways of growing up :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: The way I see it, there is growing up that’s good and other growing up that’s not :P
    Storm Nordwind: Tell us about which is which Fael
    Fael Illyar: Ok lets see… losing the ability to play would be not good :)
    Storm Nordwind: agreed
    Adams Rubble: losing tantrums is good
    Fael Illyar: learning to respect others would be good
    Storm Nordwind: If you never had tantrums then that’s not a problem. But sure.
    Adams Rubble: and to play nicely
    Storm Nordwind: I don’t think that’s part of growing up
    Storm Nordwind: I think people are born with that negativity in them and they merely express it childish ways.
    Storm Nordwind: When they grow up they express the same negativity in other ways.
    Fael Illyar: born with negativity? you mean it’s not learned?
    Storm Nordwind: yes, that’s exactly what I mean.
    Storm Nordwind: Although it is learned but in a deep past.
    Adams Rubble: I think learning to play nicely is learned but most people do it at an early age. Some never do
    Storm Nordwind: In my view, all virtuous action is learned. But you can still be born knowing it. Just my world view.
    Adams Rubble: hmmm
    Fael Illyar: There should be some altruistic behaviour that’s genetic.
    Fael Illyar: I doubt we humans could survive otherwise.
    Storm Nordwind: That is true from a Darwinian sense,
    Storm Nordwind: But I was looking from a cosmological sense.
    Adams Rubble: I don’t think I agree
    Fael Illyar: There certainly is some selfishness that’s natural to humans but …
    Adams Rubble: We learn that it is in our best interest to get along
    Fael Illyar: We’re also very social, that couldn’t work without some genetic predisposition I think.
    Storm Nordwind: I have to say I used to agree with you Adams
    Storm Nordwind: My view has changed over the years
    Storm Nordwind: I used to have a completely relativistic view of good and bad
    Storm Nordwind: I used to say that good was simply what promoted survival of a group
    Storm Nordwind: And was relative to that group
    Storm Nordwind: But then that was before I developed as a Buddhist and a clairvoyant
    Fael Illyar: Hi Spock
    Storm Nordwind: That has informed me otherwise

    Spock joined us, and Adams got ready to go.

    Storm Nordwind: Hi Spock
    Spock Yuitza: Hi everybody
    Adams Rubble: Unfortunately I have to go but I think children learn to get along partly from the example of their parents or guardians. Role models are important.
    Fael Illyar: Bye Adams :)
    Storm Nordwind: Exactly so.
    Storm Nordwind: Examples are vital.
    Storm Nordwind: You can help your children modify what they already are.
    Quilty Bookmite: I would certainly agree with that. Unfortunately, the parents aren’t the only influence as the child gets older.
    Storm Nordwind reflects on the television, now absent from his house
    Adams Rubble: There is the issue of reincarnation of course, that we grow through a series of lives but I have not seen that in children. They still seem to have to learn.
    Adams Rubble: seriously bye all. take good care :)

    Quilty reflected briefly on his own child raising experiences.

    Quilty Bookmite: However, I would also say that raising a child well doesn’t guarantee a well balanced child.
    Storm Nordwind: They have to relearn to express things they already are, as well as new stuff.
    Quilty Bookmite: bye Adams.
    Storm Nordwind: That was starting to be interesting
    Quilty Bookmite: I see in my own daughter a character that we didn’t put there. She is her own person.
    Storm Nordwind: Hope we can continue with Adams sometime soon
    Fael Illyar: Yes, it’s unfortunate Adams had to go.
    Storm Nordwind: I have seen that in my four children too

    As one overlapping conversation drew to a closer another started up. Fael now reintroduced a topic I’d mentioned earlier - clairvoyance - and how it might relate to something else widely regarded as telepathy.

    Fael Illyar: clairvoyant … what does that mean, exactly?
    Quilty Bookmite: It is lovely to see. Probably because I was close to her I could see her character at an early age.
    Storm Nordwind: It means different things to different people, Fael. I can only tell you what it means to me
    Fael Illyar: well, that’s what I was asking for :)
    Storm Nordwind: It is lovely Quilty. Parents can be very fortunate
    Storm Nordwind: To answer Fael’s question…
    Storm Nordwind: for me that means the ability to communicate with beings that most people cannot see or hear most of the time
    Quilty Bookmite: What beings are they?
    Fael Illyar: can you communicate with other people from distance?
    Storm Nordwind: It varies Quilty
    Storm Nordwind: Mostly deities, if I have a choice (which I mostly do)
    Storm Nordwind: And fael, you mean telepathy
    Storm Nordwind: I have experimented with that
    Storm Nordwind: And it does work
    Storm Nordwind: I do not know as a scientist HOW it works, but it does
    Storm Nordwind: But - let’s just say - it’s easier to pick up a phone!
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Fael Illyar: probably, yes :)

    After my pragmatic assertion, Moon wanted some clarification on telepathy.

    Moon Fargis: storm: explain a bit pleasE:)
    Storm Nordwind: about what in particular Moon?
    Moon Fargis: how does it work ?
    Storm Nordwind: I don’t know how it works
    Storm Nordwind: It is possible to put yourself in a state where two people can share thoughts
    Storm Nordwind: predictably and reliably
    Moon Fargis: ahhyes
    Storm Nordwind: The receptive state is very like zazen
    Moon Fargis: 2 leafes speaking with each other trougth the tree
    Storm Nordwind: the transmitting state is rather different
    Moon Fargis: how is the transmitting state?
    Storm Nordwind: That is one model Moon. I cannot say whether it is accurate
    Storm Nordwind: The transmitting state is more like tranquil abiding
    Storm Nordwind: Single pointed concentration
    Moon Fargis: ahhyes
    Storm Nordwind: It is easy to set up experiments to do this
    Storm Nordwind: I did them nearly 20 years ago
    Quilty Bookmite: Do you think that clairvoyance is useful?
    Storm Nordwind: very useful

    Quilty raised a very understandable question. I recognised it as being similar to a common objection often encountered when I’ve discussed these things in the past with Christians.

    Quilty Bookmite: Can you be sure that the beings you are talking to have benevolent intentions?
    Quilty Bookmite: Not all beings do, after all.
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed.
    Storm Nordwind: Not all SL avatars have benevolent intentions either
    Storm Nordwind: You can train to discriminate
    Quilty Bookmite: Very true.
    Storm Nordwind: In the same way as you do physically

    While we were talking of what to most people are uncommon experiences, Fael mentioned her dreams. And sadly Quilty had to leave us. Still he was quickly replaced by Rajah.

    Fael Illyar: I remembered a dream I saw a … I think 2 days ago. I somehow had a dream of talking with Storm through SL. I don’t remember what it was though.
    Storm Nordwind: My sympathies are with you Fael if you are dreaming of me! ;)
    Quilty Bookmite: I must go. Sorry. RL calls.
    Storm Nordwind: Please come again soon!
    Moon Fargis: see you quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: I will. thanks.
    Storm Nordwind: Rajah. Welcome!
    Rajah Yalin: hi
    Storm Nordwind: Remind me to sort your land afterwards Rajah
    Rajah Yalin: okay
    Fael Illyar: I no longer remember what it was about but it somehow etched itself into my memory
    Rajah Yalin: sort the land afterwards, lol
    Fael Illyar: something about meditation, zen, perhaps something else out of ordinary topic too I think.
    Storm Nordwind: Well meditation is a big part of both our lives
    Fael Illyar: Well, hasn’t been long for me but it’s become one, yes
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps a further memory will trigger when you need it to Fael
    Fael Illyar: could be. One reason I remember it was that I realized it was a dream at one point.
    Storm Nordwind: And therefore a lucid dream?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, sort of
    Fael Illyar: I mostly remember trying to read text, that tends to be hard during lucid dreams for me. I was succeeding this time though.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    Fael Illyar: I’ve been getting better at it lately. :)
    Storm Nordwind: Do you use any deliberate triggers?
    Fael Illyar: no, if I have lucid dreams, it’s pretty much accidental.
    Fael Illyar: those are usually the only dreams I remember, even right after waking up
    Storm Nordwind: I see. I have known people train themselves to have lucid dreams.

    The noble Isen joined us while we continued our dreamy talk. And so often happens when someone newly arrives, someone is reminded of engagements elsewhere.

    Storm Nordwind: Hello Isen!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Isen
    Moon Fargis: hi isen
    Isen Enzo: Hello everyone!
    Fael Illyar: I did try some lucid dreams intentionally years ago but quickly lost interest for some reason
    Spock Yuitza: very late for me, i’m goin in bed. See you
    Rajah Yalin: Hi Isen
    Storm Nordwind: OK Spock!
    Fael Illyar: no interest -> nearly no lucid dreams
    Storm Nordwind: Once when i was study such things i kept a dream diary
    Storm Nordwind: But I gave that up after a year
    Storm Nordwind: It was taking up FAR too much time writing it!
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Spending half an hour each morning going back and back and back into the dream memories
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I can see how that’d take some time
    Storm Nordwind: I started out really bad and it would take 15 seconds
    Isen Enzo: An exercise in being there then?
    Storm Nordwind: Later I could remember everything for hours!
    Isen Enzo: oh oh…
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Isen Enzo: hmmm

    Moon had placed a block on the ground and Isen had decided to sit on it in preference to a bench. This turned out to be a brave choice. Moon raised the block in the air twisted it, and Isen, upside down!

    Storm Nordwind sees Isen hanging upside-down like a bat
    Isen Enzo: yow
    Fael Illyar: :)

    Moon dropped a rotation script into the hanging block.

    Isen Enzo: yoooowwww
    Storm Nordwind: and now spinning
    Storm Nordwind: I hope you didn’t eat before coming here Isen
    Isen Enzo: the wheel of whatever…
    Isen Enzo: gaaaahhhh
    Storm Nordwind: No Technicolor yawns please
    Moon Fargis: ah isen that reminds me o old times:)
    Storm Nordwind has to look away
    Isen Enzo: there’s room for more…
    Moon Fargis: do you dare to enable mouselook isen ?:)
    Storm Nordwind: ick!!!
    Isen Enzo: Don’t try this at home…
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Moon Fargis: haha
    Moon Fargis: she gonna exploooode
    Storm Nordwind: TAKE COVER!!!!!!!!!!!

    A Storm induced whirlwind had materialised around the three dimensional whirling dervish and Fael sat on it like a satellite revolving around a turbulent sun. But time was getting on and we tidied up our toys.

    Isen Enzo: Being as play…
    Moon Fargis: ok hehe enougth making the garden dirty :)
    Isen Enzo: yesh..
    Moon Fargis: i have to go now:) soee you later my friends:)
    Storm Nordwind: OK Moon
    Fael Illyar: Bye Moon :)
    Isen Enzo: Bye moon.
    Storm Nordwind: We have been going nearly an hour anyway
    Isen Enzo: time to go?
    Storm Nordwind: Well I do need to sort some things out in Magoja sim to the north
    Isen Enzo: oki
    Isen Enzo: doki
    Storm Nordwind: Rajah as a new house there IIRC
    Rajah Yalin: [13:38] Storm Nordwind: Remind me to sort your land afterwards Rajah”
    Storm Nordwind: exactly!
    Rajah Yalin: lol
    Storm Nordwind: hehe
    Fael Illyar: Ok, See you later Storm :)
    Isen Enzo: Raj- you have a new home?
    Storm Nordwind: OK Fael
    Rajah Yalin: yup
    Storm Nordwind: Let’s go there
    Isen Enzo: grats
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Rajah Yalin: Namaste
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now

    And we went to formally put in place Rajah’s hermitage in south west Magoja.

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