2008.06.16 07:00 - Anger and Fear

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    That morning, when I walked up to the tea house, I saw Adams, Fael and Stargate already assembled there.

    Fael Illyar: Hello Pema
    Adams Rubble: very real
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everyone!
    Pema Pera: Fael, *, Adams!
    Stargate Tone: hello Pema
    Stargate Tone: Fael
    Stargate Tone: would You mind to tell abour your ‘wings’ more ?
    Adams Rubble: her aura?

    Pia walked in, and the conversation moved to Fael’s shiny and mostly transparent somewhat ghostly yellow wings.

    Fael Illyar: Hello Pia
    Adams Rubble: hello Pia
    Pema Pera: Hi Pia!
    Stargate Tone: .Hi Pia
    Pia Iger: Hi, just fly through the wall
    Fael Illyar: Hmmh, similar ‘wings’ are part of a Japanese novel series. certain spirits (精霊) exist that have them.
    Stargate Tone: Thank You
    Fael Illyar: I found I want this sort of wings but couldn’t find them anywhere so I made them myself once I got tired of looking
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Pia Iger: It is nice, angelic
    Stargate Tone: so good You could create them Yourself :)***
    Fael Illyar: Pia, it’s close in a way :)
    Stargate Tone: and the most truthfull I’ve seen in SL
    Fael Illyar: truthful?
    Pia Iger: who changed the pot?
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Fael Illyar: in what way?
    Stargate Tone: meaning that they are not imagined; created by the freedom of the artisi
    Stargate Tone: ‘holding’ the truth

    Pia had noticed that the pot had changed, and when Doug walked in, I told him, too, about the bidirectionality of the new pot.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug
    Pema Pera: Hi Doug!
    Stargate Tone: oh how often I’m so sad of my lag in english…
    Pema Pera: well, your wish has been fulfilled, Doug!
    Stargate Tone: hello doug
    Adams Rubble: Pia are you talking about the tea kettle>
    Fael Illyar: Hello doug
    Pia Iger: yes. the shape changed
    Pema Pera: not only that . . …
    Adams Rubble: Fael and Moon worked hard on it
    Pema Pera: Doug’s wish!
    Fael Illyar: Unfortunately I’m still not quite sure what kind of truthfulness you mean, *
    Pema Pera: remember what you wished for, Doug?
    Pia Iger: and it turned both ways
    Pema Pera: With respect to the tea kettle?
    doug Sosa: morning.
    Pema Pera: YES
    Pema Pera: you got it Pia
    Stargate Tone: as You told; You know this kind of wings to be true wihin certain kind of spirits
    Pia Iger: No problem we cant not solve!!
    doug Sosa: It feels better.
    Pema Pera: we = Moon + Fael :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pia Iger: Yes.

    In the tumble of conversation, Doug got the point of the tea kettle now turning both ways, instead of the unidirectional movement that had mesmerized many of us for a few months now. And talking about Moon and Fael solving Doug’s problem, I wanted to refer to Adam solving her own koans :-). Meanwhile, Fael and Stargate continued to discuss Fael’s wings.

    Pema Pera: Adams solves her very own problems :-)
    Pia Iger: cool.
    Fael Illyar: Stargate: I took the idea from a Japanese story.
    Stargate Tone: oh Love…I ‘take’ you added Your own knowledge too; from Your heart
    Stargate Tone: but nobody needs to care of my words :)***
    Pia Iger: I understand Star’s truthful means original
    Stargate Tone: just wanted to share what I think
    Fael Illyar: Yes, these aren’t copies of anything someone else has made. That much is certain :)
    Pia Iger: That is the value.
    Stargate Tone: Indeed
    Fael Illyar: But, yes, whatever is in these came from me. Except for couple of details that I did copy. like 6 spokes.
    Stargate Tone: well…I have not had much luck of my works to stay in the meeting…or even come
    Pema Pera: Hi SlimeX
    SlimeX Grossman: hi
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Adams Rubble: Hi SlimeX
    Fael Illyar: Hi SlimeX
    Pia Iger: Hi, Slimex
    Stargate Tone: Hi Slimex

    SLimeX joined us.

    Stargate Tone: but there’s been one thing I’ve had on my heart
    Stargate Tone: that I would’ve like to have a topic
    Stargate Tone: based on that there was the topic of anger…
    Stargate Tone: …couldn’t then have time enough…
    SlimeX Grossman: …
    Stargate Tone: but this is my question ;
    Stargate Tone: as there was much conversations of anger….
    Faenik: could be
    SlimeX Grossman: ……
    Pia Iger: Pia is glad she is here for the topic.
    Stargate Tone: so I’de like to ask if anybody present knows or if not, would LIKE to know
    SlimeX Grossman: wher r u from pema?
    Stargate Tone: about the most common illness there is not to be healed with the ‘official’ healing
    Stargate Tone: and is based on if one cannot ‘deal’ with one’s anger…
    SlimeX Grossman: any ones been to ryu’s shop?
    Stargate Tone: I have not been
    SlimeX Grossman: it is nice there
    SlimeX Grossman: i go there regularly
    Fael Illyar: to deal with one’s anger? That’s something that’s simple once you know how but hard to figure out if you don’t.
    SlimeX Grossman: got this samurai suit
    SlimeX Grossman: it was a gift from ryu

    The topic turned to anger.

    Adams Rubble: anger can be debilitating
    Adams Rubble: of course opposite of compasion
    Adams Rubble: which we have talked about
    Fael Illyar: I think anger comes from from fear of some sort.
    SlimeX Grossman: …..
    Adams Rubble: need to be in proper frame of mind
    Adams Rubble: mindfulness
    Fael Illyar: to deal wit the anger, you have to deal with the fear
    Fael Illyar: since the anger is there to hide the fear from you.
    Pia Iger: fael, can you give an example?
    Pia Iger: what kind of fear?
    Adams Rubble: Fael and I have discussed this
    Pia Iger: Ok. I will look up blog.
    Fael Illyar: it’s not on the blog, it was IM discussion.
    Adams Rubble: no not in blog yet
    Pia Iger: can you share here?
    Adams Rubble: Fael and I had our own session yesterday :)
    Fael Illyar: I’ll let Adams decide how much to talk about it
    Adams Rubble: Because Fael was talking about my fears
    Adams Rubble: and I haven’t worked that out yet
    Adams Rubble: but I am not sure that I completely equate anger with fear
    Adams Rubble: although I see her point

    Fael presented her angle on anger.

    Fael Illyar: anger is not fear, it’s something that springs up to hide the fear, to reverse the debilitating effect of it.
    Stargate Tone: I neither ment to speak about any personal question; only about the concequensies if one cannot ‘deal’ with the anger…
    Adams Rubble: could be
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: It is a good question Startone
    doug Sosa: First comes feeling that somethingis not as it ought. then we can react in several ways. fear is one.
    Adams Rubble: and the reesults of anger are self defeating
    Katana Sword: releasing controls
    Stargate Tone: so would some of You like to share what I know ?
    Katana Sword: releasing controls
    Pia Iger: can you say more, Doug?
    Fael Illyar: Adams, not always, but in modern society, yes. mostly.
    Stargate Tone: that was my question
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Adams Rubble: Fael, that anger is self-defeating?
    Fael Illyar: Star, what do you know?
    Fael Illyar: Adams, yes
    Stargate Tone: that commone illness
    doug Sosa: we continually feel a mismatch between hope/expection and what actually happens. to that mismatch there are many eactions. fear, anger - and art, are possible. So is compassion.

    A very pithy summary!

    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Pia Iger: so I feel expectation can be the root of all these…
    Fael Illyar: desire/aversion
    Pia Iger: yes. those too are what we want/expect
    Adams Rubble: I think Fael is right on about desire/aversion
    Fael Illyar: you can expect something, but still not be attached to desire of it.
    Adams Rubble: and then not be angry when it doesn;t happen
    Pia Iger: Maybe the cure is all is well, we already have all we need?
    Pia Iger: but most time we don’t recognise this?
    Faenik: ah :)
    Fael Illyar: being happy with what you have solves a lot of problems.
    Pia Iger: just the appearance/presentation can be quite disguise.
    Fael Illyar: trying to hold on to things you can no longer have only causes you more pain and blinds you from what you could have.
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Pia Iger: yes.
    Adams Rubble: subtract our expectations?
    Fael Illyar: Also, similarly trying to grasp things you don’t have is the same effect.
    Fael Illyar: if you can’t have them
    Pia Iger: and do not see that you already have ‘goodies ‘on hand

    Intriguing thoughts!

    Adams Rubble: I don;t want to break continuity
    Adams Rubble: but I still am wondering
    Adams Rubble: when anger is NOT self-defeating
    Adams Rubble: at least for indiiduals
    Adams Rubble: it could be angered has gains for States
    Adams Rubble: sorry argued
    Adams Rubble: that anger has gains for States
    Adams Rubble: although many of us would not condone that
    Adams Rubble: probably all of us
    doug Sosa: anger can be appropriate. A person who hurts a child. a dog that wants your food and will attack for it.
    Adams Rubble: hmmmm
    doug Sosa: Anger gets their attention.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: a display
    Adams Rubble: like the Chomps
    doug Sosa: We way overdo anger, but it can be effective and even necessary.
    SlimeX Grossman: are we allowed to do getures here?
    Adams Rubble: Chimps
    Pia Iger: Stim has good sayings on the blog entry “respect anger”. anyone see it?
    doug Sosa: I think you are allowed to do what you wnat, but then that is who you are.
    Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, I did read that one
    Adams Rubble: no I haven’t
    Fael Illyar: Anger is mostly useful for individuals for drowning fear I think. For example for someone who is going to war and having to either kill or be killed.
    Adams Rubble: Fael, is that the only connection you are making between anger and fear?
    Fael Illyar: Although, that’s an extreme example.
    Fael Illyar: It’s the only connection I’m aware of myself.
    Pia Iger: quote: Stim Morane: on the other hand, anger too has intelligence

    Fael brought up a different form of anger.

    Fael Illyar: That reminds me that some people, when angry, react violently and other have with “cold wrath”
    Pia Iger: cold wrath?
    Pia Iger: you mean silently?
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: you can tell they’re angry but they’re still thinking, although most likely of how to make the target of the anger suffer.
    Pia Iger: very dark:(
    Fael Illyar: and of course, some people who are angry but refuse to act on it but can’t really deal with it either.
    Pia Iger: true. That is not wise, either.
    Pia Iger: avoiding is not solution.
    Fael Illyar: Star, you’ve been silent for a while, thinking about something?
    Stargate Tone: well…nobody gave the andswer that I could’ve speak…
    Stargate Tone: I dont want to interrupt any conversations
    Stargate Tone: and I have so much lag of language…
    Stargate Tone: sry
    Adams Rubble: What do you think we left out Star?
    Fael Illyar: Star, did I understand your question correctly? You want to know how to deal with anger?
    Stargate Tone: no
    Stargate Tone: my question was if anybody would like to know about that common illness….
    Stargate Tone: in case one cannot deal with one’s anger….
    Fael Illyar: what is this common illness you mean? not being able to deal with anger?
    Pia Iger: Star, what are illness you know related to anger?
    Stargate Tone: oh …several….but this one ; the infection to muscels
    Stargate Tone: that’s the one which do not have any cure by sience
    Stargate Tone: and that’s the most common illness to the spritulaists
    Stargate Tone: who ‘only’ decline there anger…
    Stargate Tone: do not let themselves to be angry, no matter what
    Stargate Tone: it’s more than wide world problem, and people go to doctors and try ‘all””
    Stargate Tone: but get only more and more ill by time
    Faenik: ah :)
    Pia Iger: I can understand that…

    Fael inquired about the disease that Stargate was talking about.

    Fael Illyar: does this illness have a name?
    Stargate Tone: but I donno anybody how woud’ve stay ill, who’s met me
    Stargate Tone: I donno it in english, but the infection to the muscles
    Stargate Tone: and it mostly begins in back
    Stargate Tone: many people claim the stting postition to pc and all kind of stuff like that
    Stargate Tone: and do not have any idea of the truth
    Stargate Tone: I liked to speak about this spec ially
    Stargate Tone: cuz it’s concerning truely such people
    Stargate Tone: whos’ heart is golden
    Stargate Tone: who do want good to all
    Stargate Tone: and do work that so huge much
    Pia Iger: great point, Star!!
    Stargate Tone: and I’de like this knowledge to spread as much ever possible
    Stargate Tone: as there’s so much such rumors too, how people are guilty to there illnesses
    Stargate Tone: and sure; many are based on fauls tholughts…indeed I know that too
    Stargate Tone: and will to rule over people and such stuff
    Stargate Tone: but this illness truely is diffrérent
    Stargate Tone: it never stikes any selfesh peoiple
    Fael Illyar: would you mind giving the name of the disease? in whatever language you know it?
    Stargate Tone: and truely; the ‘only’ medicien is to understand the truth
    Stargate Tone: and healing
    Stargate Tone: they both are needed *
    Stargate Tone: lihasreuma

    Stargate gave the Finnish name and Fael realized both of them were from Finland.

    Fael Illyar: You’re Finnish?
    Stargate Tone: there is the other one; based on the same thing, but strikes to joint
    Fael Illyar: I could’ve helped translate :)
    Stargate Tone: it’s called rheumatoid athritis by my word book
    Stargate Tone: but that’s more cuz one cannot every say ‘no’ to them help askers
    Stargate Tone: so lihasreuma is the name in finnish
    Fael Illyar: Interesting
    Stargate Tone: and it makes them muscles to be like washing spunds…in case I now use the write spelling
    Stargate Tone: they come soft…
    Stargate Tone: so they do not do there job
    Stargate Tone: and this is my mostly given ‘medicine’
    Stargate Tone: as I’ve said to people this;
    Faenik: ah :)
    Stargate Tone: Sometimes them flying sourceer INSIDE the house is the most best medicine to this illness
    Stargate Tone: ….to it ?
    Fael Illyar: flying sourceer?
    Stargate Tone: meaning the ’self healing’ to stay healthy after somebody has give love to the patient to get well
    Stargate Tone: hmm
    Stargate Tone: a moment
    Stargate Tone: plate
    Fael Illyar: flying saucer?
    Stargate Tone: …as in finnish them UFO’s are flying plate in finnish :)*
    Stargate Tone: sry
    Stargate Tone: go the wrong word at first
    Fael Illyar is Finnish too, no need for dictionary when explaining ;)
    Stargate Tone: the meaning anyway is that how ppl use to through plates with anger
    Stargate Tone: ok
    Stargate Tone: so U maybe translate that meaning ?

    Alas, it was time for me to go to my astronomy meeting.

    Pema Pera: well, I’m afraid I have to go
    Stargate Tone: so sad
    Pema Pera: an astronomy meeting coming up in just one minute
    Stargate Tone: Have Good Time Pema
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Pema :)
    Pema Pera: nice meeting yuo all here again!
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema :)
    Pia Iger: good to see you, Pia. bye
    Stargate Tone: so can You translate that lihasreuma ?
    Pema Pera: By Adams, Pia, Fael, *

    The meeting would not last much longer, it turned out. Here is what Fael later sent me, as the remainder of the chat log.

    Fael Illyar: unfortunately, I’d have to rely on dictionaries too with that one.
    Pia Iger: can I make a suggestion?
    Stargate Tone: sure
    Pia Iger: How about we continue this topic at 1pm? Stim is here as guardians.
    Pia Iger: I would love to hear more from him about anger.
    Pia Iger: are you guys coming at 1pm?
    Fael Illyar: I probably am
    Stargate Tone: I cannot know
    Stargate Tone: but if anybody has any questions of that ilness. I’de like to hear
    Pia Iger: I think it’d be great we can go deeper in one topic.
    Fael Illyar: what you got out from your dictionary, star, seems to be the english word for nivelreuma.
    Stargate Tone: have not got anything
    Stargate Tone: but… I hope ppl here could get at least something of my telling
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Fael Illyar: I think we did :)
    Stargate Tone: as that is the illness that many people ‘heal’ with massage at first
    Stargate Tone: and only get it worse…cuz they only move the pain to be in the astral body
    Stargate Tone: and indeed, the only cure is the truth and heailing
    Stargate Tone: but that works out always
    Adams Rubble: I must go now. It was good to meet with all of you
    Fael Illyar: Bye Adams :)
    Stargate Tone: and as far as I know, all my patients has learned to heal themselves thinking the right way
    Pia Iger: bye, Adams.
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone
    Stargate Tone: bye Adams
    Stargate Tone: I also must go; have much to do
    Stargate Tone: but thank for this time and opportunitu to share *
    Stargate Tone: Have Good Time *
    Fael Illyar: You too * :)
    Pia Iger: thank you for your sharing, too. Star, bye
    Stargate Tone: stargate
    Pia Iger: well. hope see you at 1pm. Fael.
    Fael Illyar: You too :)
    Pia Iger: bye fo rnow.
    Fael Illyar: Bye :)

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