2008.06.17 13:00 - Story Hour

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    That afternoon, Genesis was the guardian. She later sent me the following log with her comments. For more information about Avastu Maruti, see his blog http://avastu0.blogspot.com/; there is also a direct link from the PaB web site, titled You are Dreaming.

    I arrived to meet Fael, Adams, and Solobill

    Fael Illyar: Hi Gen
    Adams Rubble: As always I have to leave early in this time slot. I find I miss alot
    Adams Rubble: Hi Gen
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Fael, Adams
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Solo!
    Solobill Laville: Greetings, Ms. Zhangsun!
    Fael Illyar: Yes, somehow a lot tends to happen after the first half an hour in this timeslot
    Adams Rubble: yes it seems it does
    genesis Zhangsun: Yeah it makes me feel I should stay for the second half of the hour
    genesis Zhangsun: which i usually do but sometimes should be getting back to RL
    Adams Rubble: Yes those
    Adams Rubble: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: So anyone want to get the ball rolling?
    genesis Zhangsun: Any interesting experiences with PaB this week?

    Avastu Maruti drops his “I”

    Fael Illyar: Pema brought a visitor to the Forest in Magoja today and I ended up talking with them since I’ve been spending time there lately.
    Fael Illyar: Interesting visitor in a way.
    genesis Zhangsun: what was his name?
    genesis Zhangsun: if you don’t mind
    Fael Illyar: Avantu … something, a moment I’ll scroll up
    Fael Illyar: ah, Avastu Maruti
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: apparently he holds talks somewhere
    genesis Zhangsun: hmmm don’t know him
    genesis Zhangsun: what kind of talks?
    Fael Illyar: Interesting person in that he didn’t use the word “I” even once while talking with us.
    Fael Illyar: The way he talked reminded me of Zen masters in Koans I’ve read
    genesis Zhangsun: wow never used I
    genesis Zhangsun: that is amazing
    genesis Zhangsun: was it confusing to talk to him?
    Fael Illyar: He seemed happy that it was noticed :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, it wasn’t just that “I” words weren’t used, the topics were also a bit confusing.
    Fael Illyar: [6:30] Avastu Maruti: the “I” is a false reference point, an assumption [6:30] Avastu Maruti: the illusion of the world revolves around this point [6:30] Avastu Maruti: in pure SEEing, there is no “I” and no “world”
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    genesis Zhangsun: hmmm sounds right up PaB’s alley
    Fael Illyar: Pretty much, yes.
    Solobill Laville: That is interesting, I wonder what he meant exactly by there is no “world”

    The things you hear when you leave your avatar on….

    genesis Zhangsun: there are so many interesting characters floating around SL
    genesis Zhangsun: like this monk Bunan Solo
    genesis Zhangsun: I have not run into him yet but he seems like such a character
    genesis Zhangsun: have you run into him Fael?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I hear one story he told when I forgot my AV here, then Tara appeared and sometime after that Bunan appeared.
    Fael Illyar: Then Tara asked him for a story
    Solobill Laville: Do you recall the story?
    Fael Illyar: I mostly just remember it was about how he first found out about Buddhism
    Fael Illyar: I do have it in my chatlog though
    genesis Zhangsun: oh yes share!
    Fael Illyar: ok, will take me a moment. Should I just repeat it here or ?
    genesis Zhangsun: whatever u find more convenient
    Fael Illyar: ok, a moment then
    Faenik: ah :)
    Fael Illyar: http://pastebin.com/d67b65f9a
    Fael Illyar: there’s the log … Gen, that link will expire in a day, if you think you want to include it in the PaB sessions log, save it somewhere.

    Bunan’s journey in search of downtown

    1. 2008/06/08 16:05] Bunan Bosatsu: Well… firstly, I would like to say that finding one’s way is more accurately ‘creating’ one’s way, .. no?
    2. [2008/06/08 16:05] Tara Farmer: yes, agreed
    3. [2008/06/08 16:05] Bunan Bosatsu: It arises in our mind… we are self-defining creatures…
    4. [2008/06/08 16:05] Tara Farmer: some would disagree, however, i do not
    5. [2008/06/08 16:06] Bunan Bosatsu: When I was living in Korea, when I had first arrived, everyone was talking about ‘downtown’ as though it were a fantastic Disney land sort of place…
    6. [2008/06/08 16:06] Bunan Bosatsu: At that time, I was in the military, and the plane that had brought me there had actually LANDED right on the base… so I had never actually been off base up to that time…
    7. [2008/06/08 16:06] Bunan Bosatsu: I decided to go downtown, and to check it out!
    8. [2008/06/08 16:07] Tara Farmer: mmm hmmm
    9. [2008/06/08 16:07] Faenik: ah :)
    10. [2008/06/08 16:07] Bunan Bosatsu: I walked and walked, but couldn’t find the front gate! I walked for about an hour! First in one direction… then another….
    11. [2008/06/08 16:08] Bunan Bosatsu: Finally, I came upon a gate with a Korean civilian gate-guard. He didn’t speak much English.. I spoke no Korean at that time… so I just waved and out I went!!
    12. [2008/06/08 16:08] Bunan Bosatsu: Just outside the gate were rice paddies…. they were fallow at the time, it being around October…. and I just walked and walked… waiting to get ‘Downtown’.
    13. [2008/06/08 16:09] Bunan Bosatsu: All I saw were oxen… chickens… and rice paddies!!
    14. [2008/06/08 16:09] Tara Farmer: sounds hoppin
    15. [2008/06/08 16:09] Bunan Bosatsu: Finally, I came across a small Buddhist Shrine…
    16. [2008/06/08 16:09] Bunan Bosatsu: There was a solitary monk living there…. it was much like my Imje-Am, actually… except that there was a large stature of a standing Shakyamuni Buddha alongside… though I had no idea who it was at the time…
    17. [2008/06/08 16:10] Bunan Bosatsu: I asked the monk where ‘downtown’ was…
    18. [2008/06/08 16:10] Bunan Bosatsu: He smiled and handed me a persimmon.
    19. [2008/06/08 16:10] Bunan Bosatsu: ??
    20. [2008/06/08 16:10] Tara Farmer: LOL
    21. [2008/06/08 16:10] Fael Illyar: :)
    22. [2008/06/08 16:10] Bunan Bosatsu: (Be careful of the skins on thoe things! very bitter!)
    23. [2008/06/08 16:10] Bunan Bosatsu: I pointed and I gesticulated and I repeated DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN louder and louder!!
    24. [2008/06/08 16:11] Tara Farmer: ha h
    25. [2008/06/08 16:11] Tara Farmer: a
    26. [2008/06/08 16:11] Bunan Bosatsu: The monk smiled… then laughed, then motioned for me to sit down. And I did!
    27. [2008/06/08 16:11] Bunan Bosatsu: He stood up… and did a very (creepily accurate) passable job at imitating me … pointing yelling and flailing around…
    28. [2008/06/08 16:12] Bunan Bosatsu: We both cracked up, and he motioned at me… making it clear that he wanted to know if I was hungry. I was.. and nodded, and he brought out a tray piled with rice, kimchi, and vegetables.
    29. [2008/06/08 16:13] Bunan Bosatsu: Over the next days I returned, and at one point I actually DID find the way to the FRONT gate… where I promptly bought Korean to English and English to Korean dictionaries…. AND RETURNED TO THE SHIRNE to visit the monk who became my first formal Zen Teacher….
    30. [2008/06/08 16:14] Tara Farmer: cool
    31. [2008/06/08 16:14] Bunan Bosatsu: I have since learned Korean well enough to converse, read, and write… and have become a monk myself… here, in SL, I live in a small hermitage/shrine…
    32. [2008/06/08 16:14] Bunan Bosatsu: There as nothing DOWNTOWN… but I did find my way!!
    33. [2008/06/08 16:14] Tara Farmer: yes, what a wonderful story…and exactly what I wanted to hear
    34. [2008/06/08 16:15] Faenik loves wells!
    35. [2008/06/08 16:15] Fael Illyar: Yes, very nice story :)
    36. [2008/06/08 16:15] Bunan Bosatsu: Perhaps one day some lad or lass will happen along trying to find their way to DOWNTOWN!! Wow! I had better get myself some persimmons!! HA!@
    37. [2008/06/08 16:15] Tara Farmer: LOL
    38. [2008/06/08 16:15] Bunan Bosatsu: :-)
    39. [2008/06/08 16:15] Tara Farmer: and a uncanny knack for mimicing
    40. [2008/06/08 16:15] Fael Illyar: :)
    41. [2008/06/08 16:15] Bunan Bosatsu: SO.. what are you folks up to today??
    42. [2008/06/08 16:16] Tara Farmer: so Bunan, what was his name?
    43. [2008/06/08 16:16] Tara Farmer: I have just come back from the small island I work at, on the weekends, and I am nursing a sunburn
    44. [2008/06/08 16:16] Bunan Bosatsu: His name was Mil-Bohn Seunim… MIl means secret, and Bohn means root or origin… it is cognate with the Pon in Nippon (root of the sun… Il-bohn in Korean)
    45. [2008/06/08 16:16] Fael Illyar: I was sitting here and reading zen stories until Tara showed up.
    46. [2008/06/08 16:17] Bunan Bosatsu: What have you learned from them?
    47. [2008/06/08 16:17] Fael Illyar: Either too much or too little. I’m at a loss of words.
    48. [2008/06/08 16:18] Bunan Bosatsu: Words can be a problem!! But we are stuck with them! HA!

    Solobill Laville: Thanks, Fael
    genesis Zhangsun: Yes thankyou
    Solobill Laville: That is a wonderful story
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I thought so too :)
    Solobill Laville: For many reasons, I think
    Adams Rubble: Thanks Fael
    genesis Zhangsun: finding one’s way and creating one’s way I like this a lot
    Fael Illyar: I liked the way the monk handled the situation :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Now I must be going. bye all :)
    Fael Illyar: Ok, Bye Adams :)
    genesis Zhangsun: bye Adams
    Solobill Laville: Bye Adams

    Adams takes off leaving the three of us

    Fael Illyar: You sometimes bump into interesting things just by sitting around in random places :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I should do that more often…leave my avatar on
    Solobill Laville: It reminds me of the fable of Enyadatta genesis Zhangsun: yes?
    Fael Illyar: how does that one go?

    The hour officially became story hour….

    Solobill Laville: I’ll shorten it up a bit…
    Solobill Laville: Enyadatta was a woman who woke up one morning
    Solobill Laville: sure she had lost her head
    Solobill Laville: she ran around and around looking for it
    Faenik: could be
    Solobill Laville: but her firends told her she still had her head
    Solobill Laville: it was right there
    Solobill Laville: finally they caught her
    Solobill Laville: and calmed her down
    Solobill Laville: until finally, she saw it
    Solobill Laville: it was there all along
    Fael Illyar: Sounds a bit like how you realize things about Being
    Solobill Laville: searching for Downtown can be a fruitless pursuit
    Solobill Laville: it is all right here, I think may be Bunan’s point
    genesis Zhangsun: not necessarily fruitless
    genesis Zhangsun: it got him to the monk
    Solobill Laville: ;)
    genesis Zhangsun: maybe that is how it is sometimes
    Solobill Laville: and there is usually good beer
    Fael Illyar: haha :)
    Solobill Laville: he he
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: the things you go in search of are not necessarily the end
    Fael Illyar: I’d think they rarely are :)
    Solobill Laville: yes, true
    genesis Zhangsun: it is interesting how their use becomes outlived
    genesis Zhangsun: like downtown
    genesis Zhangsun: or like the cowherding pictures
    genesis Zhangsun: often in zen stories like this
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    genesis Zhangsun: in my experience
    genesis Zhangsun: there is the search for something
    genesis Zhangsun: then you find it was there all along
    genesis Zhangsun: and then there is nothing in the frame at the end
    genesis Zhangsun: the cow disappears
    genesis Zhangsun: it outlived its use
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Solobill Laville: like the raft to cross the stream
    Fael Illyar: more common example for people with glasses would be looking for your glasses only to discover, eventually, that you’re wearing them
    genesis Zhangsun: yes that is funny one
    Solobill Laville: Yes!
    Fael Illyar: Yes, an something that actually happens :)
    Solobill Laville: http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/enyadatta-a-buddhist-allegory/
    Faenik: why not?
    genesis Zhangsun: http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/C%20-%20Zen/Zen%20Poetry/About%20the%20Ten%20Ox%20Herding%20Pictures/Zen%20Master%20Ji%20Bong%20-%20The%20ten%20ox-herding%20pictures.htm
    genesis Zhangsun: Story time
    genesis Zhangsun: cowherding pictures
    genesis Zhangsun: or an explanation
    genesis Zhangsun: though I am sure you both know them
    Solobill Laville: Yes, the Oxherding pictures I am familiar with

    Solo corrects me yes indeed they are the oxherding pictures though isn’t a ox a male cow hmmm…

    Fael Illyar: I haven’t seen the oxherding pictures.
    Solobill Laville: And again, to get to Fael’s point earlier, at least in my opinion, it’s all about Being
    genesis Zhangsun: yes…
    genesis Zhangsun: true but what does that mean really?
    genesis Zhangsun: is it passive?
    genesis Zhangsun: or an active process?
    Solobill Laville: Well, just an analogy, but both active and passive in a way
    genesis Zhangsun: yes how so Solo?
    Solobill Laville: Well, the analogy is that “seeing” the ox is analog to realizing one’s “original” nature
    Fael Illyar: oh right, I didn’t reply to Solo’s wondering about that no “world” part of Avastu’s lines.
    Solobill Laville: and there may be stages of that realization
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: Earlier Avastu was talking about words having no meaning.
    Solobill Laville: Ah
    Fael Illyar: So, “world” would be a distinction made by words, therefore meaningless
    Solobill Laville: Quite right, all subjective
    Fael Illyar: no subject, no object
    Solobill Laville: Oh I see, the Diamond Sutra talks to that as well
    Solobill Laville: Very interesting person, it seems
    Fael Illyar: Also, using words “I” and “world” is dualistic since those are defined as separate
    Faenik loves wells!
    Solobill Laville: Right, but as Bunan noted too, we still have to use ‘em ;)
    Solobill Laville: Therein lies one of the pickles!
    Fael Illyar: oh yes, just using words is dualistic in a way
    Fael Illyar: too bad I didn’t realize that while I was talking with Avastu
    Fael Illyar: would’ve been interesting what he’d have responded

    Diamond sutra and sutra club

    genesis Zhangsun: Solo you made mention of the Diamond Sutra and interchange between subject and object
    genesis Zhangsun: could you talk more about this?
    Solobill Laville: Well, I’m no expert by any means
    Solobill Laville: Basically, the Buddha was noting a truth
    Solobill Laville: That really all things we “know” in a daily sense
    Fael Illyar: any calling him/herself an expert on sutras is not worth taking seriously ;)
    Solobill Laville: are really conceptions
    Solobill Laville: lol
    Solobill Laville: yeah, well, me too!
    Solobill Laville: he he
    Solobill Laville: The point to me is that it is important too simply be aware
    Solobill Laville: that most of things we take as true, or real
    Solobill Laville: are really not so necessarily true, or real
    Solobill Laville: when we start to unpack them, and see what is left
    Solobill Laville: and why we are so sure they are true, and real
    Solobill Laville: I’d recommend reading the Diamond Sutra when you have a chance
    Solobill Laville: For book club!
    genesis Zhangsun: ok and version specifically online?
    genesis Zhangsun: *any
    genesis Zhangsun: or not online?
    Solobill Laville: oh, don’t know, but probably
    Faenik: why not?
    Fael Illyar has only read the heart sutra.
    Fael Illyar: I’ve got that on a notecard.
    Solobill Laville: I have a copy with the sutra of Hui-Neng
    genesis Zhangsun: that is a good one
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Solobill Laville: Yes, that is another great sutra
    genesis Zhangsun: Would be fun to have a sutra club
    Solobill Laville: Great idea!
    genesis Zhangsun: yes sometimes I get frustrated with lack of structure in these meetings
    genesis Zhangsun: although there are definitely benefits to it too
    genesis Zhangsun: but sometimes it would be nice to have a focal point
    Fael Illyar: I think the meetings are better without a structure. It would limit too much,
    Solobill Laville: I think there are two sides to that coin
    genesis Zhangsun: yes it seems good for PaB
    Solobill Laville: So, you’re both right!
    genesis Zhangsun: perhaps sutra club could be something else
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Solobill Laville: Yes, I think so
    Fael Illyar: Although, structure only tends to be necessary with big meetings :)

    And it all comes back to PaB in the end…

    Solobill Laville: But notice how when haven’t talked much about PaB, per se?
    Solobill Laville: *we
    Solobill Laville: but it all relates
    Fael Illyar: It’s hard to talk directly about PaB :)
    genesis Zhangsun: yes that was quite a dilemma with creating a logo!
    Solobill Laville: he he, I kept out of that one!
    genesis Zhangsun: I loved the sun/human design Moon came up with in the end
    Fael Illyar: Well, something usable came out though :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Is that the final logo?
    Fael Illyar: final decision won’t be made fast.
    Fael Illyar: it’s not necessary to decide on the final one yet.
    genesis Zhangsun: no I suppose not…
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    genesis Zhangsun: things seem to take quite a bit of time here
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Fael Illyar: Some things take time, others are over too fast ;)
    Solobill Laville: And go fast too sometimes, have you seen the new land and buildings??
    genesis Zhangsun: where?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, like the new PaB meeting place
    Solobill Laville: Yes, that’s what I was talking about
    genesis Zhangsun: oh no I haven’t!
    genesis Zhangsun: Is it finished?
    Solobill Laville: Ohh, let’s go
    Fael Illyar: let’s go there :)

    We meandered over to the new and improved outdoor teahouse!

    genesis Zhangsun: when will meetings be held there?
    Solobill Laville: I dunno
    genesis Zhangsun: will u give me a tp?
    Solobill Laville: Just follow us
    Solobill Laville: It’s close
    genesis Zhangsun: lovely
    genesis Zhangsun: is this a Dakini design
    Fael Illyar: I think it is
    Solobill Laville: Yes
    genesis Zhangsun: Amazing what they have created
    Solobill Laville: She is great at design and architecture
    Solobill Laville: She has a solid handle on aesthetic
    genesis Zhangsun: yes she does!
    Solobill Laville: Though there are many others here with talent
    Solobill Laville: Other kinds of talent too

    I am so amazed by the variety of talent in this group…

    genesis Zhangsun: yes that is true
    genesis Zhangsun: your performance Fael was wonderful a couple of weeks ago
    Fael Illyar: Well, the particle part was mostly me, Moon did the song and the circle.
    Fael Illyar: But thank you :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Solobill Laville: And humility…
    genesis Zhangsun: Fael do you also landscape?
    Fael Illyar: I haven’t tried that yet.
    genesis Zhangsun: There is going to a PaB sandbox soon
    Fael Illyar: Mostly what I have to show is my AV, of which only wings are entirely my own creation.
    Fael Illyar: oh wait, shape too
    Fael Illyar tends to not put much value on the shape so always forgets that.
    genesis Zhangsun: oops * be a sandbox
    genesis Zhangsun: well I must be on my way!
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Gen :)
    Solobill Laville: Take care, friend Gen
    genesis Zhangsun: Thank you for your presence
    genesis Zhangsun: Bye Solo!
    genesis Zhangsun: Bye Fael!

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