2008.06.24 07:00 - Tools Shaping Reality

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    Here is the log for the morning session together with comments, provided by Riddle who was the guardian.

    This morning Adams, Fael (and Faenik) and Riddle (guardian) jumped around many words about Reality.

    Entry to SL and Rieul were a little rough at 10 minutes of 7.

    Riddle Sideways: good morning
    Fael Illyar: Hello Riddle
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams
    Riddle Sideways: hope I did not keep you waiting
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hi Fael, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: very odd entry into SL today
    Fael Illyar: how’s that?
    Adams Rubble: yes, very. like yesterday
    Riddle Sideways: my last location was unavailable
    Adams Rubble: It said this area was closed
    Riddle Sideways: so it sent me to some main gate
    Adams Rubble: took me somewhere else
    Riddle Sideways: thousands of avs
    Adams Rubble: then I came back via circular route
    Adams Rubble: yesterday I was in a crowd and a big horse dropped on us
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Riddle Sideways: where you hurt?
    Adams Rubble: hehe

    We start guessing about how SL works behind those curtains.

    Fael Illyar: I wonder what it is that’s not working right.
    Fael Illyar: or if they’re intentionally dropping the functionality to keep other things working
    Riddle Sideways: it acts like (I don’t really know) that the admins close an area to do backups and maintainance
    Riddle Sideways: one area closed at a time
    Adams Rubble: except that both yesterday and today it was so easy to get here afterwards
    Fael Illyar: did you teleport to neighboring sim and then walk or fly over?
    Faenik loves wells!
    Adams Rubble: I teleported right here
    Riddle Sideways: so did I
    Adams Rubble: I left myself at the Zen Retreat last night
    Riddle Sideways: I left myself (great phrase) at the beach
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: oh, I forgot to logout for the night yesterday :)
    Fael Illyar: I was wondering why I didn’t remember logging in today :)
    Adams Rubble: sorry about the caps
    Adams Rubble: I thought you were meditating but saw you were still on at 9:30 our time last night
    Adams Rubble: 6:30 SLT

    Worlds and Realities, Virtual and Real life, Imagined and created, From the past and into the future.

    Riddle Sideways: this dialog is fitting right in with my current thoughts on multiple realities
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: I was reading Maxines reply to Storms sandbox email
    Riddle Sideways: how she found this terra forming so star trekie
    Fael Illyar: Ah, that, I remember reading it and being quite wide eyed at the comparison :)
    Riddle Sideways: I also ‘left myself’ dancing at VR3d and also amid building in AW last night
    Riddle Sideways: we are shaping our worlds
    Fael Illyar: the power of imagination :)
    Riddle Sideways: then we walk away for a while
    Fael Illyar: the only differences with imagination is that SL is more limited and that you can show what you’ve created to others too :)
    Riddle Sideways: over the weekend I was at a friends house
    Riddle Sideways: who has yet another brilliant child
    Riddle Sideways: who had a mulit-dimentional world
    Riddle Sideways: in his imagination
    Riddle Sideways: he was writting it all down
    Faenik: indeed?
    Fael Illyar: multidimensional world?
    Riddle Sideways: he showed me the maps and the start of the novel
    Riddle Sideways: yes, with me speeling is optional
    Fael Illyar: no, not the spelling … I didn’t actually even notice that :)
    Fael Illyar: I was wondering what sort of multidimensional world
    Riddle Sideways: Sam was explaining his worlds in exactly the math coords I study for n dimensions
    Riddle Sideways: without knowing the name tesseract, he told me about it and had drawn something close
    Fael Illyar: Ok, that’s quite impressive.
    Riddle Sideways: this connects with SL where somebody has built a structure close to being a tesseract house
    Riddle Sideways: of course I can’t find my way back to it
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Faenik: why not?

    It bears repeating, that I am liking Faenik more and more each time we are together. Today, from my camera angle, Faenik was more redish from Fael’s red wings

    Riddle Sideways: is it just me or has reality become more and more plastic
    Fael Illyar: what do you mean with plastic reality?
    Riddle Sideways: moldable, layered, thin
    Riddle Sideways: words fail
    Adams Rubble: I think it is a dimension of reality
    Fael Illyar: what is reality?
    Adams Rubble: As new ideas, inventions, developments, etc. come into the world, it is not the world that changes
    Adams Rubble: on one level it does
    Adams Rubble: but not the basics
    Adams Rubble: just new ways of manipulating things, communicating
    Fael Illyar: unless you consider the world to be just those ideas, developments and such :)
    Adams Rubble: nope
    Adams Rubble: :)

    Then the playing with juxaposing ourselves in time.

    Riddle Sideways: In 50 years we will still have legs and need to eat and … the basics
    Riddle Sideways: but our life styles
    Riddle Sideways: our tools
    Riddle Sideways: etc. will be very different
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: and some us won;t be here :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, I was not mentioning that
    Faenik: why not?
    Fael Illyar: although, eating might be different from what it is now ;)
    Riddle Sideways: in the 60s I was always reading about how we would have flying cars in 2000
    Riddle Sideways: but no where did they mention the internet nor SL
    Fael Illyar: there are aeroplanes that use less fuel than a car
    Fael Illyar: that can move around the same amounts of things.
    Adams Rubble: and we still live the same basic lives as we did (those of us there in the 60s)
    Adams Rubble: and we are still searching for happiness
    Adams Rubble: and still suffering
    Fael Illyar: searching for happiness is a mistake. As long as you search, you won’t find it.
    Adams Rubble: OK
    Adams Rubble: but we can talk about this with people all over the world
    Adams Rubble: our common threasds, so to speak
    Adams Rubble: threads
    Adams Rubble: neat!
    Faenik: could be
    Riddle Sideways: we can talk about the weather, religion and governments just like we always have
    Adams Rubble: just with more people :)
    Riddle Sideways: many things just stay the same
    Riddle Sideways: like my grandfather was always saying
    Riddle Sideways: this world is going to hell in a hand basket
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: and I stilll think it is

    The benefits of quick jumps in sentence subjects, topics, threads, etc. were just as meaningful, to me, as which was actually being said.

    Adams Rubble: we seem to have multiple themes this morning :)
    Adams Rubble: for us, not Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: no, just the one we started with :)
    Fael Illyar: reality :)
    Riddle Sideways: I was thinking the theme was about multiples
    Adams Rubble: Oh. and Fael, morning, not for you
    Adams Rubble: now
    Fael Illyar: yes, afternoon
    Riddle Sideways: and it is growing dark here in SL
    Adams Rubble: we can fix that :)
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Riddle Sideways: that is what I have been talking about
    Adams Rubble: OK :)
    Riddle Sideways: if I don’t like my current reality
    Riddle Sideways: I can make an adjustment
    Adams Rubble: in the virtual world
    Riddle Sideways: the menu controls might be different in other
    Adams Rubble: and there is the sun :)
    Riddle Sideways: worlds, lives and realities
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah well
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Riddle Sideways: the dream, dreamer and non-dreams are getting confused
    Fael Illyar: mixed up would be more accurate, I’d think :)
    Riddle Sideways: true
    Riddle Sideways: intertwined also

    The slow defining, throughout this session, of tools versus what tools are used for.

    Adams Rubble: I was thinking….
    Adams Rubble: all this new technology
    Adams Rubble: simply gives us new tools
    Adams Rubble: not all that different from a shovel
    Fael Illyar: well, except in what you can do with them :)
    Adams Rubble: of course :)
    Adams Rubble: but tools
    Adams Rubble: not reality
    Riddle Sideways: yes, we have always used our tools to shape our realities
    Adams Rubble: virtual reality is also a tool
    Adams Rubble: it is a new way we can be together and cimmunicate
    Adams Rubble: communicate
    Adams Rubble: experience new things

    We are flitting through many different “Points of View” of probably the very same thing.

    Riddle Sideways: as in the Pema and his wife’s paper (a several other) I was reading
    Faenik: ah :)
    Riddle Sideways: I can communicate with you
    Riddle Sideways: when my social and geographic location
    Riddle Sideways: would not have allowed us to talk
    Adams Rubble: …and we don;t feel the distance
    Fael Illyar: yes, distance is becoming much less meaningful
    Adams Rubble: except for time zones
    Adams Rubble: they get in the way
    Fael Illyar: those aren’t directly related to distance though :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: thankfully, for me, most of you have picked english to converse in so I wont have to learn something else
    Adams Rubble: Yes!!!
    Fael Illyar: Well, it is the most widely known language in the world.
    Adams Rubble: We Americans can be weak in other languages
    Fael Illyar: Adams, which I think is a disadvantage.
    Adams Rubble: yes, it is a failing, Fael
    Riddle Sideways: but the idea that I did not have to walk into your university building, your temple or your home to have this chat
    Adams Rubble: yes, exactly
    Adams Rubble: soooo convenient
    Fael Illyar: Yes, very :)
    Faenik: indeed?

    More about tools shaping reality and reality shaping tools. This symbiotic relationship of Being (though we never said that word) and tools/stuff (playing?).

    Riddle Sideways: I wonder how you will alter your reality with tomorrow’s tools
    Adams Rubble: Well any predictions will be much like those of the 60’s, and 20’s and before :)
    Adams Rubble: We’ll get some of it, not all
    Fael Illyar: hard to say, the truly revolutionary tools change the world in ways the creator never predicted
    Fael Illyar: Some are easy, those are just old tools refined.
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: I was thinking of how my telephone has (and will) change over the years
    Riddle Sideways: I had a rotory dial
    Riddle Sideways: and now I need a hands-free
    Adams Rubble: I still have one :)
    Fael Illyar: telephones as a separate device will likely vanish… well, it might still be called telephone but it’ll be more like wearable computer
    Riddle Sideways: my Treo with bluetooth is very close
    Fael Illyar: my cellphone is also quite close. It’s several times faster than the first computer I had.
    Fael Illyar: as a computer :)
    Adams Rubble: my toaster oven is more powerful than the first computer I had
    Fael Illyar: Yes, quite likely :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, my first computer had 256 bytes
    Adams Rubble: toasts better too
    Riddle Sideways: but my first computer had enough heat to keep my coffee warm
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: what I was thinking about was
    Faenik: could be
    Riddle Sideways: when I went to the grocery store
    Riddle Sideways: I used to have a slip of paper
    Riddle Sideways: now I have to call from aisle 3 to ask if we need milk
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: haha :)
    Adams Rubble: not sure that is a technology issue :)
    Riddle Sideways: but it is a tool issue
    Fael Illyar: I tend to remember myself what I need … although that’s mostly because I live alone. If I didn’t, I’d have to check before leaving for shop.

    And, more examples of tools shaping our lives which in turn shapes more tools

    Adams Rubble: One of the issues with technology is the way we find uses for the tools
    Adams Rubble: when IM-ing first became popular
    Adams Rubble: I wondered about it
    Adams Rubble: seemed email works as well
    Adams Rubble: but here it is a basic part of SL
    Fael Illyar: it’s the realtime part that’s different with email and IM
    Faenik loves wells!
    Fael Illyar: with IM, you generally have minutes, maybe hours to respond. With email, often days
    Adams Rubble: not to argue the point, it is HOW one uses the tool
    Adams Rubble: and who
    Riddle Sideways: with this chat, I am already late responding
    Adams Rubble: with whom
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Of course but those times you have to respond also mean it hold for the other side
    Fael Illyar: with IM, you’re usually guaranteed a fast response or you can assume no response quite fast
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: with email, you can’t
    Riddle Sideways: it still comes down to ‘what’ you have to say
    Riddle Sideways: but, I would have never been having this conversation with total strangers

    Oh well, the following is where I go off on my reactions to 3 C/NET articles/blogs with comments about Generation-Y’s comfort with technology versus the establish business world departmentalizations.

    Adams Rubble: I see your point; young people use it differently - has become an integral part
    Riddle Sideways: the other article I was reading was how gen-Y
    Faenik: why not?
    Riddle Sideways: is using technology to bypass business practices
    Riddle Sideways: that were thought of as musts
    Riddle Sideways: biz straita
    Riddle Sideways: that enterprises think they must have
    Riddle Sideways: can be done on their laptops
    Riddle Sideways: rather then wait for the IT dept.
    Fael Illyar: what kind of things do you mean?
    Riddle Sideways: when my brouther-in-law graduated law school
    Riddle Sideways: he was use to doing everything on his laptop
    Riddle Sideways: the first partnership he went to
    Riddle Sideways: insisted he send everythin to the steno pool
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: steno pool? what’s that?
    Adams Rubble: haha
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Adams Rubble: Stenographers
    Adams Rubble: they tyoe what people say
    Adams Rubble: type
    Riddle Sideways: see big business does not have rooms of typewriting automatons
    Adams Rubble: not laughing at you Fael—
    Adams Rubble: it’s the march of technology
    Adams Rubble: how things become obsolete
    Riddle Sideways: the mail dept is getting obsolete
    Adams Rubble: relegated to the cobwebs of history
    Adams Rubble: to be studied by scholars of archaeology
    Fael Illyar: Ah, something really archaic (at least on my view of things)
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Adams Rubble: Older lawyers not able to do their own typing
    Riddle Sideways: or airline travel to have yet another meeting with the 3 of us
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, so they … write it with pen on paper and then send it to someone who will use a typewriter?
    Fael Illyar: or dictate?
    Riddle Sideways: except I would like to fly to Kyoto to meet with you all over sake
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Adams Rubble: in Riddle’s example they say it and it is written down
    Adams Rubble: Riddle, :)
    Riddle Sideways: there use to be a technology called “shorthand”
    Riddle Sideways: that people learned for writing really fast
    Adams Rubble: little marks for words
    Riddle Sideways: they could take dictation
    Adams Rubble: we sound like a couple of old times, Riddle
    Adams Rubble: timers
    Adams Rubble: back in our day…
    Riddle Sideways: 1. we are
    Adams Rubble: haha
    Riddle Sideways: 2. it is so easy to become
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: Yes, you just need to be :)
    Adams Rubble: No talent needed, just stay alive
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: you mean staying alive doesn’t require talent?
    Riddle Sideways: lol
    Adams Rubble: not a whole lot, Fael
    Fael Illyar: Well, I suppose it stops being called talent when almost everyone has it :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: but it’s pretty much the same thing ;)
    Riddle Sideways: staying alive has always (and will always) be a very tough talent
    Riddle Sideways: some can’t do it
    Riddle Sideways: with the price of gas, bread, housing
    Adams Rubble: !!?!
    Riddle Sideways: use to be dynosaurs would get the un-talented
    Adams Rubble: In some cases it not knowing what wonderful, beautiful things can ahppen over the years
    Riddle Sideways: hello, clearly
    Fael Illyar: Hello Prosper
    Prosper Telling: coming and going here
    Adams Rubble: Hello Propser
    Adams Rubble: Posper
    Adams Rubble: Prosper
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, did not see you
    Prosper Telling: I got my timing off by an hour it seems
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, I also did not see the time
    Adams Rubble: Yes, me neither
    Adams Rubble: These sessions seem to go faster and faster
    Riddle Sideways: my wearable PDA, phone and nag alarm has not told me I need to go
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Adams Rubble: :0
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Well, looks like we are ending the session now. :) See you later Riddle :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, bye everyone :)
    Fael Illyar: Bye Adams, Prosper :)
    Riddle Sideways: ha, I am late for a meeting across the internet
    Prosper Telling: Next session is at 1:00 PM?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: yes, 1pm
    Fael Illyar: SLT
    Riddle Sideways: yes, prosper
    Riddle Sideways: have a good day all
    Prosper Telling: Yeah, my math skills were off an hour

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