2008.06.25 19:00 - Only Ever This

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    That evening, Thorberg was waiting in the pavilion when I walked up, over the bridge over the moat.

    Pema Pera: Hi Thor!
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hello, Pema
    Pema Pera: How are you?
    Thorberg Nordlicht: good; you?
    Pema Pera: fine, busy as always
    Pema Pera: in fact more than “always”
    Thorberg Nordlicht: :)
    Pema Pera: This week we have made enormous progress in MICA
    Pema Pera: the astronomy group I started here in SL
    Pema Pera: we got the physics engine tweaked to let it simulate the motions of stars
    Pema Pera: using Newtonian gravity
    Pema Pera: so instead of the physics engine letting objects fall down, and preventing you from walking through a wall
    Pema Pera: it can now guide stars in orbits
    Thorberg Nordlicht: whoah! I didn’t know the “physics engine” was that sophisticated
    Pema Pera: It wasn’t
    Pema Pera: but now it is :)
    Pema Pera: Not yet in SL itself, but in OpenSim
    Pema Pera: an open source version of SL
    Pema Pera: that you can run on your own laptop if you like
    Pema Pera: forming your own server that way
    Thorberg Nordlicht: OpenSim; I see
    Thorberg Nordlicht: does it create a virtual 3d environment just like Second Life?
    Pema Pera: Adam Johnson and Jeff Ames, developers of OpenSim, did this a couple days ago
    Thorberg Nordlicht: can i develop locally and then “export” to “live” SL
    Pema Pera: yes, it’s a clone of SL
    Pema Pera: in principle
    Thorberg Nordlicht: cool!
    Pema Pera: except that the Lindens don’t let you tinker with “their” gravity in the phsysics engine operating right here
    Pema Pera: the one that keeps you glued to your cushion right now
    Pema Pera: by simulating gravity :)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i see; you wanted no gravity for outer space, right?
    Pema Pera: That would give us a nice way to eject griefers — just reverse gravity for them :-)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: haha
    Pema Pera: yes, one over r squared, 1/r^2, inverse square law of Newton

    Rowan walkd in, followed by Steve who had a bit more trouble arriving, and Dakini.

    Pema Pera: Hi Rowan, great to see you again!
    Thorberg Nordlicht: :)
    Rowan Masala: Hi Pema and Thor
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hello Rowan
    Rowan Masala shouts: Steven–you’re in the water
    stevenaia Michinaga: no wonder I can’t see anyything
    Pema Pera: Good evening, Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: hello!
    Pema Pera: Hi there Steve!
    Rowan Masala: are we gonna be talking about Newtonian equations tonight?
    Rowan Masala: Hi Dakini
    Pema Pera: haha, we could!
    Dakini Rhode: hi Rowan, Thorberg, Steve :-)
    Pema Pera: Steve is excited enough to do so!
    Pema Pera: jumping around like a star in a simulation
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Pema Pera: where did he go now?
    Rowan Masala: he poofed
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i’ve thought it would be nice to have an “outer space” sim where there is no “ground”, no gravity, and no up and down
    Rowan Masala: he’ll be back
    Pema Pera: stars sometimes poof too
    Rowan Masala: there is a zero G sim, thor
    Pema Pera: exactly, well, Thor, you got it!
    Thorberg Nordlicht: a place to build the ultimate skybox
    Pema Pera: That’s what we did
    Thorberg Nordlicht: oh yeah, there’s a zero G sim? I didn’t know that
    Pema Pera: But not zero G
    Rowan Masala: well, that’s what it’s called
    Pema Pera: but our own gravity
    Pema Pera: yes, that is no gravity
    Rowan Masala: but there is actually gravity of a sort there
    Pema Pera: we constructed our own interstellar gravity
    Thorberg Nordlicht: so, how do i find this alleged zero-G sim?
    Pema Pera: in OpenSim
    Rowan Masala: but neat orbiting poseballs

    Neela appeared as well. Steven had stopped swimming and jumping, and now he stood there, still completely grey, except for his shoes, and ruthed.

    Pema Pera: Hi Neela!
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello
    Rowan Masala: I think that may be it
    Rowan Masala: wb Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: a very strange journey
    Rowan Masala: just FYI, you’re ruthed
    Thorberg Nordlicht: “ruthed”?
    Pema Pera: A grey ruth clothed only in black shoes . . . .
    Rowan Masala: ah–there you go
    Dakini Rhode: you’re normal now
    Thorberg Nordlicht: ??
    Rowan Masala: you’re yourself
    Pema Pera: :)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: oh! half-baked?
    Rowan Masala: ruthed is when male avs turn into the default female av
    Rowan Masala: the original female was named ruth
    Pema Pera: the opposite of the bible story
    stevenaia Michinaga: sinc when has being ruthed bothered me
    Thorberg Nordlicht: oh! *now* i understand; thanks
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Rowan Masala: true
    Rowan Masala: man, woman, all the same to you
    Dakini Rhode: it happens to all of us sooner or later
    Pema Pera: can’t really happen to you, I guess :)
    Pema Pera: or always
    Dakini Rhode: yes indeed it can
    Pema Pera: ?
    Rowan Masala: Stevie, was the place with the orbital hold poseballs called Zero Point?
    Dakini Rhode: the default “ruth” avatar is a specific shape
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Rowan Masala: and newbie hair
    stevenaia Michinaga: let me look
    Dakini Rhode: yes that brown hair sticking out from under your prim hair… so attractive
    Rowan Masala grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: Inspire Space Park Ultra Natural, Shinda (6, 214, 208)
    Dakini Rhode: field trip?
    stevenaia Michinaga: one of the more interesting out of world places
    Rowan Masala: ok, Thor, then I have no idea what that LM I gave you was
    Rowan Masala: beware
    Pema Pera: sure
    Thorberg Nordlicht: no problem; i like to explore; :)
    Rowan Masala smiles at Thor

    Dakini mentioned her new teleport hub, for connecting different PaB land locations.

    Dakini Rhode: I should mention i just put a prototype teleport hub near here… it should work for teleporting across sims
    Dakini Rhode: so you can TP to all the PaB locations….
    Dakini Rhode: so if you see it, pls don’t worry
    stevenaia Michinaga: how many are there?
    Dakini Rhode: i don’t have them all in the hub
    Dakini Rhode: just a prototype
    Pema Pera: wonderful, thanks a lot, Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: Pema or Storm will need to let us know how many locations to put up…
    Thorberg Nordlicht: approximately how many we talking about?
    Pema Pera: Let me count how many sims we have spread out over . . . just a sec . . .
    Pema Pera: fourteen :)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yikes!
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i didn’t know that!?
    Rowan Masala: you have 14 sims!!!???
    Pema Pera: not 14 full sims
    Pema Pera: pieces of 14 sims
    Thorberg Nordlicht: how many “sims worth” does it add up to?
    Pema Pera: in total between 3 and 4 I guess
    Rowan Masala: wow
    Pema Pera: if you were to pull it all together
    Pema Pera: so lots of room for y’all to play in!
    Pema Pera: Storm put up a sandbox, of a 1/3 of a sim in size
    Pema Pera: and whatever is produced there, and we all like, can go elsewhere
    stevenaia Michinaga: we sould do a house tour of sorts some time
    Thorberg Nordlicht: once again, I have to wonder why you’re not considering an Island
    Pema Pera: hi Thor, well, once again, shall I give the same answer :-)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: I know it wasn’t a popular idea when i last brought it up, but if you’re up to that much tier payment, maybe it’s time to consider it
    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes, ok, same answer :)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: “your roots are here”
    Thorberg Nordlicht: :)
    Pema Pera: yes
    Dakini Rhode: island tier is more expensive than mainland
    Pema Pera: and rather than living in a vacuum
    Thorberg Nordlicht: ok, as before, i’ll drop the subject :)
    Pema Pera: I prefer to be here near the welcome center as well
    Pema Pera: haha, Thor!
    Dakini Rhode: yes

    Yes, the PaB land is not cheap, but fortunately, the Fetzer Foundation has been generous in its grant to Stim and me, for the study of virtual worlds in the context of modern contemplative approaches.

    Pema Pera: but money is of course an issue
    Pema Pera: fortunately, the universe seems to provide :)
    Pema Pera: being concretely speaking right now the Fetzer foundation
    Pema Pera: which has paid for all expenses so far
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice of them
    Pema Pera: and we’re in the process of applying for new grants
    Pema Pera: but compared to salaries and buildings and meetings in RL
    Pema Pera: even a few sims worth of tier is not that expensive
    Thorberg Nordlicht: I guess I never heard that part of the story before. Is that their motivation for funding this? An experiment to see how it works in the much cheaper virtual realm?
    Pema Pera: They started by giving a grant to Steven Tainer (Stim in SL) and me for exploring virtual worlds, a year ago
    Pema Pera: Stim and I started in Qwaq
    Pema Pera: Let me give you an URL
    Pema Pera: http://www.waysofknowing.net/VRExplorations.html
    Pema Pera: and that grant included money for virtual world rent
    Rowan Masala: Qwaq kind of stinks for personal aesthetic expression
    Pema Pera: Hi Dharma!
    Dharma Voyager: thank you so much
    Pema Pera: Welcome back in our new place!
    Rowan Masala: Hello Dharma :)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: “virtual world rent”
    Dharma Voyager: oh it is lovely
    Pema Pera: Dakini made it
    Dakini Rhode: hello Dharma :-)

    Dharma arrived, and it was her first visit to our new pavilion.

    Dharma Voyager: different sim
    Dharma Voyager: oh very nice
    Dharma Voyager: hello (bows)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Dharma…huggs
    Rowan Masala: Namaste
    Dharma Voyager: hey stevie!
    Dharma Voyager: thank you…. and you as well
    Dharma Voyager: (bows)
    Dakini Rhode: Dharma i don’t think we’ve met
    Dharma Voyager: I met you one time before, but it was a busy conversation when you came in the room
    Dharma Voyager: you may not have noticed
    Dharma Voyager: oh! and I have my blond hair on
    Dharma Voyager: in honor of a friend :)
    Dakini Rhode: your name is familiar, but i thought I read it…
    Dharma Voyager: I don’t know… smiles
    Dakini Rhode: well hi again :-)
    Dharma Voyager: hello there :)
    Dharma Voyager: I’m sorry to interrupt
    Pema Pera: oh no not at all, Dharma!
    Rowan Masala: will it distract you all from the conversation if I stand instead of sitting? am restless
    Dharma Voyager: not me
    Pema Pera: whatever you like, Rowan :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Carlos!
    Pema Pera: Welcome to our new spot
    Carlos Cornelius: Hi everybody!
    Dharma Voyager: hi carlos :)
    Rowan Masala: Hi Carlos
    Dakini Rhode: hello Carlos
    Carlos Cornelius: Hi! It is good to be here. So is this the new Pab spot?
    Pema Pera: yes, Dakini built it
    Carlos Cornelius: wow, it is really nice, congrats!

    Carlos joined us as well, so there were now again seven of us, since Neela had left.

    Dharma Voyager: this is really lovely… I love what you did with the odd texture on the ceiling
    Dakini Rhode: :-))) thanks so much
    Dharma Voyager: beautiful
    Pema Pera: Hey, Avastu!
    Pema Pera: Welcome!
    Avastu Maruti: hello again, my friend
    Pema Pera: Everybody, meet Avastu
    Dharma Voyager: hello Avastu
    Rowan Masala: hi Avastu
    Pema Pera: He has his own group, in the lineage of Nisargadatta, here in SL
    Dakini Rhode: hello Avastu
    Carlos Cornelius: Hi Avastu!
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hello, Avastu! Welcome!
    Pema Pera: come join us!
    Avastu Maruti: thank you

    With Avastu arriving, there were eight of us.

    Pema Pera: Fael and I talked with Avastu briefly, a while ago
    Pema Pera: when I showed him the area
    Pema Pera: His kind of teaching is squarely focused on Being
    Pema Pera: if we drink beer he drinks wodka :)
    Carlos Cornelius: sounds like a good correlation:) beer and vodka
    Thorberg Nordlicht: Avastu, you have your own group here in SL?
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Thorberg Nordlicht: do you have a location? meet on a regular schedule? tell us about it
    Pema Pera: http://avastu0.blogspot.com/
    Pema Pera: there is a link from the PaB blog directly
    Pema Pera: called “You are Dreaming”
    Avastu Maruti: it happens each Tuesday at 7 PM SLT in the OWOKUN island
    Avastu Maruti: it is simply a discussion of nonduality and Advaita and other nondual traditions
    Pema Pera: And Dharma has her own group as well, linked from the PaB blog as “Skillful Means”
    Pema Pera: http://skillfulmeans.wordpress.com/
    Dharma Voyager: oh the one at my place is only a book discussion
    Dharma Voyager: thank you… it’s fun
    Pema Pera: So we have two PaB link representatives visiting us :)
    Dakini Rhode: 3?
    Dakini Rhode: :-)
    Pema Pera: yes, Dakini, you too — sorry — but not directly the Zen retreat happenings blog
    Dakini Rhode: in case we don’t all know each other, my group is the Zen Retreat - we have zazen daily
    Dakini Rhode: and soon to have sutra discussion
    Dakini Rhode: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: Avastu, Dakini built this pavilion
    Pema Pera: and every evening at 6 pm SLT she leads a zen group
    Avastu Maruti: it is very nice
    Pema Pera: Dakini was the one who brought me here
    Dakini Rhode: and playasbeing is at 7PM just following
    Pema Pera: http://zenretreat.blogspot.com/ is Dakini’s blog
    Pema Pera: also linked from PaB home page, under “Zen Retreat”
    Dakini Rhode: oh yes, but that is for the playasbeing practice….
    Pema Pera: do you have another blog?
    Pema Pera: for Zen Retreat?
    Dakini Rhode: oh no…
    Pema Pera: ah, perhaps time to set one up . . . .
    Dakini Rhode: nonono
    Dakini Rhode: lol i have a day job :-)

    Avastu and I talked about playing, and he gave me a present.

    Pema Pera: Avastu, for us the “play” element has turned out to be important
    Pema Pera: how has your experience been, with your students
    Pema Pera: how do they work with the “I am That” notion
    Pema Pera: on a day-to-day basis
    Avastu Maruti: not sure how to answer that - it is only ever THIS
    Dharma Voyager: brb
    Avastu Maruti: we cannot play - we cannot escape being…
    Avastu Maruti: your group is simply to recognize that fact, I presume
    Pema Pera: yes, that is one way to say it.
    Pema Pera: Being can play
    Pema Pera: or you could say, everything is only Being playing
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Pema Pera: but those are of course just words . . . .
    Pema Pera: . . . pointing to Being
    Avastu Maruti: a gift for you… to play - I will send
    Avastu Maruti gave you Chocolate Disco2.
    Pema Pera: Chocolate Disco 2 ! ? ! ?
    Pema Pera: wow
    Pema Pera: I’m sure Dakini would like one too
    Avastu Maruti: yes?
    Dakini Rhode: oh my we just did onigokko kinhin
    Dakini Rhode: ty avastu
    Pema Pera: チョコレイト・ディスコ ♪
    Avastu Maruti: ty Dakini
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Avastu Maruti: very nice
    Dakini Rhode: it was so nice seeing everyone…
    Dakini Rhode: i must go now
    Dakini Rhode: Namaste
    Dharma Voyager: namaste
    stevenaia Michinaga: night dakini
    Avastu Maruti: good night my friend
    Carlos Cornelius: bye Dakini
    Thorberg Nordlicht: good night, Dakini

    After I tried out the new version of the chocolate disco dance, Dakini had to leave.

    Pema Pera: sorry, some lag and SL troubles
    Pema Pera: back again
    Pema Pera: So yes, Avastu, the most important thing we’re doing here, it seems, is to discuss this and that, about what we can do, and then to realize we can’t do anything :-)
    Pema Pera: we can only realize Being is all there is
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Pema Pera: even the notion “letting Being do things rather than we” is misleading
    Pema Pera: at best approximate
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Pema Pera: and in fact wrong
    Pema Pera: so all that is very simple
    Pema Pera: but somehow we spend hours every day leading up to and around it :)
    Thorberg Nordlicht: :)

    For ten minutes, nobody spoke, a far longer silence than we have ever had in a Play as Being session, so far.

    Pema Pera: That is our Play as Being bell :-)
    Pema Pera: every fifteen minutes, reverberating for 9 seconds
    Pema Pera: and this has just been our first ten-minute silence in three months :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it helps and isn;t a bad idea, a bell
    Pema Pera: Moon and Fael made it
    Pema Pera: Moon the bell, Fael the script
    Dharma Voyager: nice I love having one in my garden
    Pema Pera: I’m sure you can get one
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice collaboration
    Dharma Voyager: I have one that recites the haert sutra and rings every few seconds… I love it…
    Dharma Voyager: was a fun script to write
    Carlos Cornelius: it is a nice sound-reminder
    Pema Pera: just aske Moon Fargis by IM
    Dharma Voyager: did the bell sound I don’t think I heard it
    Pema Pera: yes, at the hour
    Pema Pera: and every 15 minutes
    Dharma Voyager: oh very nice
    Dharma Voyager: I’ll turn up my sounds I must have missed it

    I returned to the opening topic that evening, the work that my astronomy colleagues and friends had been engaged in the last few days.

    Pema Pera: btw, on a completely different topic
    Pema Pera: we produced a YouTube videa
    Pema Pera: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4fmL6dLdY
    stevenaia Michinaga: on this group/
    Pema Pera: video
    Pema Pera: about our work with stars in SL, or more accurately OpenSim
    Pema Pera: may be fun to watch, at least the first half minute
    Avastu Maruti: interesting
    Pema Pera: we used the physics engine to tell the stars how to move
    Pema Pera: the same software that prevents us from walking through walls and fall through floors or cushions
    Pema Pera: and that makes us drop when we stop flying
    Pema Pera: can also tell stars how to attract each other
    Pema Pera: through Newton’s inverse square forces
    Dharma Voyager: do you know who made the video?
    Pema Pera: so that’s exactly what we did
    Avastu Maruti: love in action
    Pema Pera: Yes
    Dharma Voyager: we know some of the open sim guys
    Pema Pera: Two of the OpenSim developers
    Pema Pera: Adam and Jeff
    Pema Pera: who live here in Tokyo
    Pema Pera: we had dinner with them a few days ago
    Dharma Voyager: oh cool … we know adam
    Pema Pera: and Jeff tweaked his physics engine in a matter of hours
    Pema Pera: and then he produced that video
    Pema Pera: pretty awesome
    Dharma Voyager: wonders if jeff is the partner
    Pema Pera: How did you meet Adam?
    Dharma Voyager: working on open sim
    Dharma Voyager: smiles
    Dharma Voyager: I did very little at the begining
    Dharma Voyager: because of my work resposnibilities
    Pema Pera: wow, how nice!
    Dharma Voyager: but Dogen did a lot more
    Dharma Voyager: has done much recently
    Pema Pera: Adam Johnson and Jeff Ames are now both working for genkii, new company in Tokyo
    Dharma Voyager: yes great guys
    Dharma Voyager: yes that is them
    Dharma Voyager: very cool

    Small world indeed.

    Pema Pera: would you like to be on our email list, Dharma?
    Dharma Voyager: I just let Dogen know
    Dharma Voyager: which list?
    Pema Pera: great, I have not met him yet
    stevenaia Michinaga: smaller world today
    Pema Pera: we have a MICA astronomy group in SL
    Dharma Voyager: actually he was at the book reading
    Dharma Voyager: ummm… I can’t say I know much about it
    Dharma Voyager: hehehehhe
    Dharma Voyager: I’m geeky in other ways
    Pema Pera: ah, yes, now I remember!
    Pema Pera: and we have several email lists for different parts of MICA
    Dharma Voyager: his open sim name is babble frog
    Dharma Voyager: I forget what mine was
    Pema Pera: http://www.physics.drexel.edu/mica/
    Pema Pera: Meta Institute for Computational Astrophysics
    Dharma Voyager: cool
    Dharma Voyager: sure
    Pema Pera: including one email list for simulations
    Dharma Voyager: put me on the list that would be great
    Pema Pera: several emails a day
    Pema Pera: sure
    Pema Pera: what email address shall I use?
    Dharma Voyager: ooooo several e-mails a day?
    Pema Pera: google list
    Pema Pera: yeah, may be too much for ya
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: nitty gritty
    Dharma Voyager: hmmm… yes I don’t think I can do that right now
    Dharma Voyager: perhaps I will ask later… to much going on
    Pema Pera: how to set up OpenSim server stuff like that
    Pema Pera: sure!

    I gave a quick impression of how important this week had been for me. During the last eight years I have tried, if various ways, to use non-standard visualization techniques from outside astronomy in order to apply them to our professional simulations, and finally we have now reached a solution that seems totally satisfactory, at least in principle. Of course, it is also a new beginning, since now we have to put in all the details.

    Pema Pera: This week has been really very gratifying, in a sense the end and the beginning of what I wanted to do in virtual worlds for my work . . . . . .
    Pema Pera: The end of a phase of visualization that started eight years ago
    Dharma Voyager: I already have a couple open sim servers running somewhere here
    Dharma Voyager: hahahha
    Dharma Voyager: brb
    Pema Pera: when I began to use the planetarium at the Museum for Natural HIstory in NYC
    Pema Pera: for scientific visualization
    Pema Pera: the “old” vortual worlds
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice choice
    Pema Pera: and now we have an immersive planetarium
    Pema Pera: where avatars and stars are treated the same way
    Pema Pera: in a sense you could say
    Pema Pera: the subject-object distinction has dropped away
    Pema Pera: or at least lessened
    Pema Pera: an amazing intersection of my interests in science and in contemplation . . . . .
    Pema Pera: and from this week on, we’ll make it grow
    Pema Pera: this week really was the watershed.
    Pema Pera: Visualization has always been an afterthought in academic work
    Pema Pera: You spend a few years writing a very complex simulation code
    Pema Pera: and then in the end you produce some pictures for a publication
    Pema Pera: and perhaps a little movie
    Pema Pera: But our idea is to switch the priorities around
    Pema Pera: live in the visualization and treat the details of the simulation code as an afterthought
    Pema Pera: it makes prototyping of simulations and simulation codes very different
    Pema Pera: much more flexible, direct, real
    Pema Pera: another 15 minutes :-)
    Pema Pera: and collaboration becomes immersive too
    Pema Pera: a sociological change from individuals competing with each other, each in their own office
    Pema Pera: to groups work remotely across the planet, meeting here in SL
    Pema Pera: Well, as you can see, I’m pretty excited about it all :-)
    Dharma Voyager: very cool….
    Pema Pera: AND amateurs and pros working together, never happens that way in RL

    Carlos mentioned phenomenology.

    Carlos Cornelius: as you said it is a very good to intersect science with phenomenology and contemplation
    Carlos Cornelius: through visualization
    Pema Pera: and it occurred naturally, not forced
    Pema Pera: the medium called for it . . . .
    Pema Pera: Carlos is a philosopher, phenomenologist, the best kind :)
    Carlos Cornelius: :)
    Dharma Voyager: I’m sorry.. but just got called off somewhere…
    Carlos Cornelius: at least I try, interacting with groups like Pab has open new horizons for me
    Dharma Voyager: thank you for having me
    Carlos Cornelius: philosophy without phenomenology is very abstract and senseless
    Pema Pera: yes, like theoretical physics without experiments
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you all soon…smiles
    Pema Pera: see you Steve!
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx
    Carlos Cornelius: bye Steve
    Pema Pera: I probably should get going too
    Pema Pera: Thanks for coming over, Avastu, Carlos!
    Avastu Maruti: thank you for inviting me, my friend
    Carlos Cornelius: metoo, it was great seeing you and great meeting you Avastu

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