2009.07.07 07:00 - 07.07.07:07 an Intellectual Addiction

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Riddle Sideways: what do you have there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so how are you today ?
    Riddle Sideways: ahh green tea
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i got that from stargate
    Riddle Sideways: in my graphics card it is sooooo steamy and glowy
    Riddle Sideways: like drinking the steam of magical powers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe
    Riddle Sideways: ty
    Yakuzza Lethecus: this isn´t that hot
    Riddle Sideways: seems not to be tooo hot
    Riddle Sideways: but not toooo cold
    Riddle Sideways: Just Right
    Yakuzza Lethecus: pema is flying around here ?
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a golden arrow on my minimap ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: now the arrow left
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i wasn´t even going to be here i just logged off at the 1 am session :)
    Riddle Sideways: my main map only shows one of us here??
    Yakuzza Lethecus: now yes
    Riddle Sideways: you are still here from the 1am?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, i just spawn where i logged of
    Yakuzza Lethecus: f
    Riddle Sideways: last year (about this time) we had a session which did last the 6+ hours
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
    Riddle Sideways: right from one start to another
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Have you used other virtual worlds before sl ?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, several
    Riddle Sideways: for years I have wanted VR to work
    Riddle Sideways: and have watched it develop
    Riddle Sideways: visited long lists of very interesting worlds
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which onces, i don´t know other then second life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least no vw with a communication purpose
    Yakuzza Lethecus: obviously all mmogs are virtual worlds
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i never played things like world of warcract
    Riddle Sideways: http://network.associationofvirtualworlds.com is a link to a list of worlds
    Riddle Sideways: no need to join them, just look
    Riddle Sideways: I have been warned to stay away rom WOW
    Riddle Sideways: it is a time vampire
    Riddle Sideways: besides I never really got into the fantasy worlds either
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, i try to develop an intellectual addiction :)
    Riddle Sideways: not a DND player (Dungions and Dragons)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: doesn´t work that well so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Riddle Sideways: oo that would be a nice adiction
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s interesting i met a few ppl who did DnD in real life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i also never got used to it or bought such a rulebook
    Riddle Sideways: yes, years before VR/VW those DND people were living in a shared virtual mental world
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am always impressed by the arts in those games
    Riddle Sideways: last week I was going through some old books I have
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but to go in it just to level up ur character...
    Riddle Sideways: and found an old book about the holigraphic universe
    Riddle Sideways: an old bookmark looks like I only made it halfway
    Riddle Sideways: probably could not get intellilally adicted in it
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Riddle and Yakuzza :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi ya Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Please continue :) What's the topic?
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, let me see...
    Riddle Sideways: it was prolly virtual worlds/reality before the interent
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)
    Riddle Sideways: DND had/has a huge following
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am afk for 10 minutes
    Riddle Sideways: they (groupwise)had huge virtual worlds build up
    Riddle Sideways: ok yak
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: DND?
    Riddle Sideways: game named Dungions and Dragons
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah that I've heard of it :)
    Riddle Sideways hopes the GOC will correct my speeling :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Who's the GoC?
    Riddle Sideways: me
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles.
    Riddle Sideways: in an old book I was just re-found there is description of hypontic trance group worlds
    Riddle Sideways: a couple that over many sessions created/lived into a made up world
    Gaya Ethaniel: Interesting ... what kind of worlds?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Enclo :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Encio
    Enclo Alter: Hi you all
    Riddle Sideways: Encio, if you do not know about us, there is a postcard on that ball
    Riddle Sideways: right behind you
    Enclo Alter: Thank you
    Riddle Sideways: this book "The Holigraphic Universe" was written years before the Matrix movie
    Riddle Sideways: but talks about many different realities and how they are seen or seeing/making them
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds really interesting ...
    Riddle Sideways: by mostly loosenning our grasp on this reality
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm guessing the experiences in the book resemble lucid dreams?
    Riddle Sideways: many do
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you have those experiences Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: at times
    Riddle Sideways: good morning Pema
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Pema :)
    Riddle Sideways: long time no chat
    Gaya Ethaniel: Care to share Riddle?
    Pema Pera: good morning Riddle!
    Pema Pera: (evening for me, can stay only very briefly, just wanted to say hello :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Pema Pera: (I'm in Japan again, in Kyoto)
    Riddle Sideways: "hello" :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: You know you are dreaming right?
    Riddle Sideways wonders if your body every gets to know the proper time zone
    Pema Pera: not really
    Pema Pera: it's indeed like a dream
    Pema Pera: like tide waters in between land and sea
    Pema Pera: I actually enjoy that kind of jetlag :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Pema Pera: but not every week
    Pema Pera: I once had 8 serious jetlags, more than 6 hours each, in 8 weeks, that was too much
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm asking Riddle about his experiences of lucid dreams in relation to the book he mentioned - Holographic Universe.
    Riddle Sideways: when my kids were small and waking in middle of night, I experienced a lot of slepp deprevation
    Riddle Sideways: it is not pretty
    Riddle Sideways: I would not trust decisions made during that time
    Pema Pera: lucid dreams are fun! Did you experiment with those, Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: some
    Riddle Sideways: I have an off and on relation with dreams
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey pema
    Riddle Sideways: Maxine and I have had chats off session
    Pema Pera: hye Yak :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: brb - thundery showers, need to close up
    Riddle Sideways: are lucid dreams always suppose to be like real life?
    Pema Pera: I love thunder and lightning :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, I miss thunder and lighting
    Pema Pera: oh, I think there are no restrictions, Riddle
    Pema Pera: apart from our own conditionings
    Pema Pera: yeah, not much lightning in California . . .
    Riddle Sideways: I mostly have very vivid dreams of other worlds
    Pema Pera: can you give an example?
    Pema Pera: to give us a taste, an idea?
    Pema Pera: in a nut shell?
    Gaya Ethaniel: back
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty :)
    Riddle Sideways: most have to with living dayto day life in a place where my body is not like RL
    Riddle Sideways: in environs of colors
    Pema Pera: but still on Earth?
    Riddle Sideways: no not often
    Pema Pera: how interesting!
    Riddle Sideways: weigh less often
    Pema Pera: do you have legs or wings or is locomotion totally different?
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Riddle Sideways: again these difer widely
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh my! Cal just jumped out of my body heheheh
    Pema Pera: Hi Cal !
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Caledonia :)
    Riddle Sideways: Cal, you were glowing/rezing more then the foutain
    Caledonia Heron: so sorry :) poor pop-in :)
    Pema Pera: Did you ever write them down systematically, Riddle, your dreams?
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's lovely to see you Cal :)
    Riddle Sideways: no, never have
    Pema Pera: (instead of a rabit out of a hat, a Cal out of a rabbit!)
    Caledonia Heron: nice to see you also Gaya :) hello everyone
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Caledonia Heron: LOL, good one Pema
    Riddle Sideways: most sound crazy and I don't want to get caught :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm interested in hearing how you relate to the dreams during dreaming Riddle.
    Pema Pera: you might be able to write them into a bundle of short stories, Sc.Fi. or otherwise -- just don't tell initially that they come from dreams!
    Pema Pera: alas, I really should get some sleep, it's getting close to midnight here . . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Pema :)
    Pema Pera: sorry to stay only briefly
    Riddle Sideways: ok nite Pema
    Pema Pera: till next time!
    Caledonia Heron: bye :)
    Riddle Sideways: ummm, don't ya'll dream like I do?
    Caledonia Heron: I'm off also, see you soon :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Cal :)
    Riddle Sideways: ok, nice visit... cal gone
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you always know you're dreaming while dreaming? Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
    Gaya Ethaniel: [It depends even during a dream.]
    Riddle Sideways: have thought deep on that and I don't think I know it
    Riddle Sideways: however, many times I think [right now/here] is a dream
    Gaya Ethaniel: How does that compare to the dreams in terms of experiences?
    Riddle Sideways: short answer=same
    Riddle Sideways: long answer ....
    Riddle Sideways: is about the funny feeling itis to be in RL
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Riddle Sideways: and the funny feeling of being in SL
    Riddle Sideways: and the funny feeling of being in a dream
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel: What is that feeling Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: some mentally is (semi) in control /directing / motivating
    Riddle Sideways: moving a limited set of controls
    Riddle Sideways: taking in limited input sensors
    Riddle Sideways: but exploring
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Riddle Sideways: e.g. a brain/heart directs fingering to wiggle
    Riddle Sideways: that seems to make a keyboard's keys bounce
    Riddle Sideways: the eyes see these as input to a SL
    Riddle Sideways: and receives your reactions
    Gaya Ethaniel: Interacting in SL often feels like playing an instrument.
    Riddle Sideways: well, RL/dream worlds seem like playing an instrument to me
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Some part of [put your word here] is in RL and some in dream yet seems to be beyond RL/dream ... making sense?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, there is a [need a word] place that is other
    Gaya Ethaniel breathes a sigh of relief ... so I'm not crazy.
    Riddle Sideways: oh yes, you are
    Riddle Sideways: we are just sharing
    Gaya Ethaniel laughs!
    Riddle Sideways: as I see it, Gaya made me up
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: and I appreciate being brought into existance
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Riddle exists in my mind.
    Riddle Sideways: or did Yak bring both of us
    Riddle Sideways: when I first met Gaya last year, I had to make up an entire history
    Gaya Ethaniel: From where does that history come from?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, maybe its all a dream and only i am real :P
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: not sure if Gaya gave it to me or our histories are what is needed for this act of the play
    Riddle Sideways: you have many histories
    Riddle Sideways: not all can be related out to us in this hour
    Riddle Sideways: so which are needed/used
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ... that data is required for our interaction to a certain degree ...
    Riddle Sideways: this is that loosening of the dream boundaries that I(we?) strive for
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I have become more comfortable having those experiences in RL.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, it is sometimes best
    Gaya Ethaniel: WIthin dreams, it feels 'normal'
    Riddle Sideways: mostly, we should take our "normal" where ever we go
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Riddle Sideways: thinking of this version of RL/SL as a dream world is working for us
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes SL has been a big help in that.
    Riddle Sideways: try it on like a new suit
    Riddle Sideways: I have friends who would not think it odd that I have a long deep conversation about things that matter
    Riddle Sideways: with a 5 foot rabbit
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: may I call you 'Harvey'
    Gaya Ethaniel: Of course :)
    Riddle Sideways: then again seeing G-d's presentation as a 5 foot rabbit works too
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: What is G-d ... hm ... it's a big question.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: huh where is riddle gone ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure, probably crashed.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and did you get some land from kira ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am just on a free account and i keep staying in that way for now
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: This account is free also :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wol told me, that that land is given back anyway
    Gaya Ethaniel: ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i understood it in that sense that that land is unused and just costs money
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so they won´t keep it because there is no use an purpose
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and that those 512 qm are free for every account to keep if its premium
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but uninteresting for both of us anyway
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i never took any sessionspot so i wouldn´t have done anything for it anyway
    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't think you need to host sessions in order to get guardian plots anyway.
    Gaya Ethaniel: If you want a small land
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t want to
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: I have a feeling that Riddle had to go.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I should get going too soon.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day Yakuzza. Nice talking to you :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah i didn´t talk that much
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks Riddle if you are reading this as log :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was even on the toilet half the session :P
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel waves.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i ate something bad i guess
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Take care
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