2009.07.10 13:00 - When Love is The Topic

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

 I arrived first , Shayama showed up shortly after and asked if there was a meeting going on . Eliza and Sunfire joined us too .

Shayama was wondering about the nature of discussions held at Pab.

sophia Placebo: hello shayama
sophia Placebo: the usuall one yes
sophia Placebo: hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyama, Sophia :)
Shyama Sheryffe: hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, you are new each time I see you :)
Eliza Madrigal: Very elegant today
sophia Placebo: hehe , you too eliza
sophia Placebo: ty :)
Eliza Madrigal: Shyama, I think we've met briefly... Good to see you :)
Shyama Sheryffe: yes..iv been here short moments..lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Shyama Sheryffe: not understandin all that is discussed though...lol
sophia Placebo: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: :) Isn't that the fun part? hha
sophia Placebo: i dont think i do either
Shyama Sheryffe: it is very interesting anyhow
Eliza Madrigal: The landscape varies... areas easy to walk on, then sharp drop offs
Shyama Sheryffe: have u been long doing this ?
Eliza Madrigal: I found PaB on Valentine's Day of this year :)
Eliza Madrigal: So, nearly 5 months
Shyama Sheryffe: that is long...
Eliza Madrigal: It seems like a blip :)
Shyama Sheryffe: do u have a topic planned or do u just make it up
Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, are we about the same PaB age?
sophia Placebo: make it up most of time
Shyama Sheryffe: nods
sophia Placebo: i dont remmebr eliza , didnt keep track of time these days
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
sophia Placebo: maybe 3 months though
Eliza Madrigal nods... seems about right :)
Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, my daughter had senior pictures scheduled, otherwise I would not have missed your last session.
sophia Placebo: ^^ daughters comes first
Eliza Madrigal: Of course, I did read the logs. :)
sophia Placebo: have you found it helpful ?
Shyama Sheryffe: r u supposed to mediatate when the bell rings ?
Eliza Madrigal: I've found it beautiful actually... seeing 'devotion' through another's eyes, in a way
sophia Placebo: if you can shayama
Shyama Sheryffe: ok
Eliza Madrigal: Shy, sort of.. the idea is to 'drop what you have to just be' :)
Shyama Sheryffe: to stop..
Eliza Madrigal nods... Well that's what I relate to in them...dropping stories and stresses
Eliza Madrigal: everyone has their own take I guess :)
sophia Placebo nods
Shyama Sheryffe: i closed my eyes and breethed
sophia Placebo: then...?
Shyama Sheryffe: then i cam back to chat..lol
Eliza Madrigal smiles
sophia Placebo: hehe
sophia Placebo: well , what about whil breathing ?
Shyama Sheryffe: i emptied my head
sophia Placebo: yes , breathing is magical
Shyama Sheryffe: just breathing in and out
sophia Placebo: yes
sophia Placebo: i just discover that in pab
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Shyama Sheryffe: what do u talk about normally

Eliza Madrigal: I heard someoen say that if one does nothing else but notice their breathing, the world for them will radically change

Love as a Topic

sophia Placebo: hello sun
Eliza Madrigal: Lately I find myself checking posture also. At the computer it is easy to slump.
Eliza Madrigal: Anything Shy :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sunfire :)
Shyama Sheryffe: hi Sun
sophia Placebo: he might be right to some extends
Sunfire Langer: Hello
Sunfire Langer: concentrating on your breathing brings the mind back to the body
Shyama Sheryffe: ty for reminding me Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal nods... connection
Shyama Sheryffe: straightens heself
sophia Placebo: well shayama variouse things , hard to summarize , better to check pab logs in wiki
Eliza Madrigal: Is there a topic which comes to mind?
sophia Placebo: :)
Sunfire Langer: love?
Eliza Madrigal: Love is always a great topic :)
Shyama Sheryffe: love is good one yes :)
sophia Placebo: thats simply hard
Eliza Madrigal: To discuss, Sophia?
sophia Placebo: to appreciate
sophia Placebo: thats why we discusse it many times me thinks
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Sunfire Langer: what difficulty have you found, sophia?
sophia Placebo: not difficult but soo simple
Eliza Madrigal: Love as Compassion seems to come up quite a lot these days
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunfire Langer: 'As far as possible without surrender, be on good terms with all persons...'
Shyama Sheryffe: compassion is a bit cooler than love ?
Eliza Madrigal: yes.. go placidly amidst the noise and haste...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Cooler, Shy?
Shyama Sheryffe: isnt ir..not so involving
Eliza Madrigal: I think of it as hotter lately...
Shyama Sheryffe: u can be compassionate with the poor
Sunfire Langer: compassion may be as little as listening with your heart, not your head
Shyama Sheryffe: but to love menas u r involved
Eliza Madrigal: yes, a seeing through to the heart of things and of people
Sunfire Langer: listen not to the literal sentences mean, but what the person is telling you
Sunfire Langer: to what*
Eliza Madrigal: compassion as charity...yes charity can seem distant
Shyama Sheryffe: to me love is personal
Shyama Sheryffe: compassion...u can be compassinate with pple u dont know
sophia Placebo: preciouse

Types of Love

Shyama Sheryffe: but of course there r different kind of love
Eliza Madrigal: yes... and it is funny that our definitions change
Shyama Sheryffe: is there a definition for love
Sunfire Langer: i wonder... what if we try and see where the distinctions are between the different kinds?
Eliza Madrigal: Hm :)
Shyama Sheryffe: there is love between lovers
Shyama Sheryffe: and between mother and child

Sunfire left

sophia Placebo: he vanished
Eliza Madrigal: yes...booted I imagine
Eliza Madrigal: May be back :)
sophia Placebo: yes
Shyama Sheryffe: and love to ones friends
sophia Placebo: and love to one self
Shyama Sheryffe: religious love

Love Everything

Eliza Madrigal: What about what we all share... an essense which has nothing to do roles or conditions?
Shyama Sheryffe: love to god
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe that is the same
Shyama Sheryffe: yes
sophia Placebo: love to all things and poeple eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... that love :)
sophia Placebo: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: love that endures no matter what conditions there may or may not be
sophia Placebo: cant love snakes
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Shyama Sheryffe: and bugs
sophia Placebo: should we love things?
Shyama Sheryffe: no
Eliza Madrigal: It might be a kind of love when someone tries to relate... too see through another's eyes..even maybe a snake's?
Eliza Madrigal: even maybe a tree?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Shyama Sheryffe: love is connection somekind
Shyama Sheryffe: feeling of oneness
Eliza Madrigal: oneness, yes :)

Love and Bugs

sophia Placebo: well i may love somethings a snake may have , but certainly not -the snake-
Shyama Sheryffe: u dont feel connection with snake sophia..lol
Eliza Madrigal: hehe... yes it was difficult to love mosquitoes watching fireworks last week :)
sophia Placebo: oh yes , imagine we can talk with mosqitoes
sophia Placebo: please can you stop sucking my blood and tried that donkey there - you say to mosqito after getting you patience deprived as you let that mosqito suck a little out of generositi , then the donky sigh and say - typical human -
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha!!
Shyama Sheryffe: lol
Eliza Madrigal: yes it would go exactly like that... get what you need from over 'there' mosquito
sophia Placebo: hehe yes
Eliza Madrigal: So would love then say "Sure...take all you like... I will learn to love itching"
Shyama Sheryffe: and he would say.. thatk u for ur suggestion
Shyama Sheryffe: and u would have a connection and love eachotere
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
sophia Placebo: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: Some relationships are like that
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Shyama Sheryffe: hm..yes..lol
sophia Placebo: like mosquito and itching ?
Eliza Madrigal: YES
Eliza Madrigal: Not really...but maybe not so far off... sorta kidding :)
sophia Placebo: thought so

Love and Science

Shyama Sheryffe: i think scientist do not se love exixting
Shyama Sheryffe: its a mental disturbance
Shyama Sheryffe: fro them
Eliza Madrigal: What makes you think so?
Shyama Sheryffe: it cnat be prooved in laboratorium
Eliza Madrigal: Ah.. I see...yes difficult to pinpoint
Shyama Sheryffe: it is subjective
sophia Placebo: so what if it was really only a brain chemicals , would that make love something of less value ?
Shyama Sheryffe: no
Eliza Madrigal: I think we get back to kinds of love when talking about subjective and objective.... Love is total
sophia Placebo: or at least it has a chemical part
Shyama Sheryffe: love is the value
Eliza Madrigal: Physical love is chemical.... oxytocin
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: or that physical bonding in any event... like a drug
Shyama Sheryffe: yes..biological
Shyama Sheryffe: making u grazy to have u ready to continue species
sophia Placebo: hmm , i guess it should be more than one neuro transmitter
sophia Placebo: but nvm
Eliza Madrigal: that is the chemical released between mother/child when breastfeeding... and I believe the same that surges in 'first love' so strongly
sophia Placebo: i should check that out
Eliza Madrigal: is an interesting thought sophia, yes!
Eliza Madrigal: That's what they say, Shy . Are we getting cynical? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Shyama Sheryffe: we shouldnt
Shyama Sheryffe: therei s LOVE
Eliza Madrigal: YES :)

Love in our Dialy life

Eliza Madrigal: Which brings me back to thanking you again Sophia, for opening the word 'devotion' up again... certainly an all-consuming type of love
Eliza Madrigal: I hadn't really 'heard' that word in a while
sophia Placebo: :) yw
sophia Placebo: it is hard to live in all materialistic environment i guess , for me at least
Eliza Madrigal: yes I agree... difficult for that to be the common ground when it seems so backwards
Eliza Madrigal: That is one thing wonderful about here... remembering to take 'things' lightly
sophia Placebo: backwards?
sophia Placebo: yeah , laugh and earth would laugh with you
Eliza Madrigal: that things we have/do are side issues... the essential/love is the common ground?
Shyama Sheryffe: nods :)
Eliza Madrigal: And yet in society those aren't the things we often talk about
Eliza Madrigal: Here we do :)
sophia Placebo nods
Shyama Sheryffe: why is that so
sophia Placebo: though love is all songs and movies
Eliza Madrigal: We feel exposed perhaps when we "really" talk about our hearts rather than heads
Eliza Madrigal nods to Sophia
Eliza Madrigal is as much of a sap as anyone when it comes to songs and movies ...hehe
sophia Placebo: :)
Shyama Sheryffe: oops, its getting late
sophia Placebo: bye shayama
Shyama Sheryffe: im off to bed
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Shyama, Nice talking with you
sophia Placebo: happy dreams
Shyama Sheryffe: ty u for nice talk
Eliza Madrigal: : )
Shyama Sheryffe: nite...
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, it has been a lovely talk.... an a quiet talk :)
Eliza Madrigal: *and
sophia Placebo: hehe yes
Eliza Madrigal: I won't keep you, Sophia. :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
sophia Placebo: :) bye