2009.07.11 07:00 - Naoki Sensei

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

When i arrived Scathach and Naoki were already there  .

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello again naoki:)
naoki Turbo: hello gain ^^
naoki Turbo: again
Scathach Rhiadra: I am not usually here at this time, but I saw nobody else had turned up, so...
naoki Turbo: aha
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophia!
naoki Turbo: hello
sophia Placebo: hello naoki
naoki Turbo: hello sophia ::-)
Scathach Rhiadra: naoki has been here before, sophia, this morning
sophia Placebo: ^^ great
naoki Turbo: in Europe this morning ^^
sophia Placebo: Hello Pema !
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema:)
naoki Turbo: hello Pema^^
Pema Pera: Hi Sophia, Scathach, Naoki!
naoki Turbo: ペマさん、先日はキラカフェでお世話になりましたｗ
sophia Placebo: what was that ?
Pema Pera: そうでしたね、どうもありがとう
Pema Pera: Japanese :-)
Scathach Rhiadra: Japanese!
naoki Turbo: yes I m japanese ^^
sophia Placebo: Hi Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Scath, Pema, Sophia, Naoki :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eliza
naoki Turbo: hello
Scathach Rhiadra: wb Pema:)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)

Pema disapeared then reapeared again at arriving point

Pema Pera: (hit the wrong key and got transported home :-)
Pema Pera: Naoki gave a talk, recently, at the Kira Cafe
Pema Pera: in the Japanese Evening session
naoki Turbo: well
Pema Pera: I heard it was very interesting -- sorry I couldn't attend it myself
naoki Turbo: a lot of work shop,
naoki Turbo: he itroduced it

Language barrier

naoki Turbo: we Japanese cannot speak English well,
naoki Turbo: sinse we feel tahe wall about like this ...
naoki Turbo: we japanese have identity too
Pema Pera: most of us cannot speak Japanese at all, and some of us only a little . . . (^_^)
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Eliza Madrigal nods
naoki Turbo: but cannot express it well sinse we canot speak English..

kaomoji , language barrier melter !

naoki Turbo: ＾＾→means smile in japan
Pema Pera: ^^
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Pema Pera: w
naoki Turbo: yes
naoki Turbo: how　about　＾＿＾?
Pema Pera: w = laughing in Japanese, short for warau = to laugh
Pema Pera: ^_^
Scathach Rhiadra: =^.^=
Scathach Rhiadra: or
Pema Pera: (^_^)
naoki Turbo: ＾＾；
Pema Pera: ~\(*^_^*)/~
naoki Turbo: yes!
naoki Turbo: <(_ _)>　→means
sophia Placebo: Hello Hana
naoki Turbo: please
Pema Pera: こんにちは、はなさん！
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hana :)
Pema Pera: はなさんも日本語ぺらぺら
naoki Turbo: hello hana
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Hana
Hana Furlough: hello everyone
Eliza Madrigal is ^ ^ ing :)
Pema Pera: はなさん：なおきさんは日本人です
Hana Furlough: こんにちわ～
naoki Turbo: こんにちわー＾＾
Hana Furlough: はじめまして！
naoki Turbo: nice to meet u
Pema Pera: Naoki was showing us emoticons in Japanese, kaomoji
Hana Furlough: nice to meet you too!
Pema Pera: so we exchanged, for example: ＼（ｏ⌒∇⌒ｏ）／
sophia Placebo: hi Eos
Pema Pera: Hi Eos!
Hana Furlough: yeah kaomoji is the best!
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eos
naoki Turbo: (*^_^*)　→means shy
Eos Amaterasu: Hi all!
Hana Furlough: hi eos~
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
naoki Turbo: (^_-)　→wink
naoki Turbo: (T_T)　→cring
sophia Placebo: i was just typing that
naoki Turbo: japanese write a character vertical
naoki Turbo: sinse we use "kaomoji" mens face
naoki Turbo: means
naoki Turbo: express the emotion
naoki Turbo: in character
naoki Turbo: (^o^)　→lol
naoki Turbo: こんな話ししてていいんでしょうか？

I should have copied  the chat log where i turned on my translator , Sl didnt send me the chat log to Email -_-

sophia Placebo: you are pulmonologist !
naoki Turbo: yes
naoki Turbo: its only in RL ^^
Pema Pera: do you know other Japanese medical doctors in SL ?
sophia Placebo: hehe
naoki Turbo: aha
naoki Turbo: yes
Pema Pera: Marube perhaps?
naoki Turbo: yes,miss marube is doctor
Pema Pera: １５分間ごとに９０秒間休憩します。

^ we stop for 90 seconds each 15 mints
naoki Turbo: she is surgeon
Pema Pera: 今から皆さんは９０秒間黙る。^^
sophia Placebo: what do you do in your sl clinic ?
naoki Turbo: well its closed ...
Pema Pera: SL病院がありましたか？

^is there clinics in sl ?
naoki Turbo: 一時期やってました、実験的に

^experimental , it is closed now

Thanks to Pema and Kiremimi  for translation^^

Pema Pera: at one time Naoki had such a clinic, experimentally, in SL
Hana Furlough: すばらしいですね！
naoki Turbo: あくまでも実験でしたが・・
Pema Pera: (right now, Kiremimi is helping me to translate, behind me in RL :-)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
naoki Turbo: 需用はありましたねー確実に
Pema Pera: it was just an experiment
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting idea
Pema Pera: there was a demand, for sure
Pema Pera: なおきさん、きれみみさんからどうぞよろしく。^^
naoki Turbo: 人は自分の話を聞いて欲しいものなんです
Pema Pera: people in general wanted to tell there stories and be heard
naoki Turbo: 特に体や病気のことを聞いて欲しいと思うのです
Pema Pera: and sometimes in particular they wanted to talk about their bodies and diseases
sophia Placebo: so it was like educational?
Pema Pera: 教育のためでしたか？
naoki Turbo: no its like a cauncel
sophia Placebo: ok
naoki Turbo: 相談のような感じでした
Hana Furlough: 精神的なケアーでしたか？
naoki Turbo: yes
Pema Pera: is it like spiritual care? asked Hana
Pema Pera: spiritual/psychological
Hana Furlough: wow great~
naoki Turbo: 精神的な病気の人も多かったです
Pema Pera: there are many people who have psychosomatic illnesses
naoki Turbo: but psychosomatic is not my spesial field...
naoki Turbo: since I heard there voises
naoki Turbo: 助言を与え・・
naoki Turbo: ほとんど相談でしたね
Pema Pera: sometimes giving advice, it became almost a form of counseling
naoki Turbo: thank you for transrating
Pema Pera: you should thank Kiremimi ^^
naoki Turbo: ^^
Pema Pera: have you looked at the Play as Being wiki, Naoki?
naoki Turbo: not yet sorry^^
naoki Turbo: ah this mornig..
Pema Pera: sorry, we don't have a Japanese version yet, it would be nice to translate it, some day
naoki Turbo: ok
Pema Pera: the main idea is to stop for 9 seconds, every 15 minutes -- but here in SL for 90 seconds
naoki Turbo: this morning Scath gave me URL...
Pema Pera: so we can feel a sense of presence -- ”今あるという”存在の感覚 -- dropping our usual identities
naoki Turbo: yes
Pema Pera: like a mini meditation -- すごく短い瞑想
naoki Turbo: I see
Pema Pera: perhaps you can try with your patients -- 患者さんにもいいかもしれない
naoki Turbo: yes I think so
Pema Pera: just to stop for very short times, but many times a day, to relax completely, without judgment - 判断なし
naoki Turbo: but I dont hava SL clinic now
Pema Pera: but perhaps you can try in RL ?
naoki Turbo: yes
naoki Turbo: in RL
Pema Pera: resperatory problems often have a psychological side, maybe
Pema Pera: *respiratory
naoki Turbo: そういう場合もありますね
Pema Pera: that may well be
Pema Pera: sometimes, that is
Pema Pera: most of us here have tried these mini meditations
naoki Turbo: I see
sophia Placebo: well i guess the doctor need these mini meditation more than the patient in rl
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ^^
Pema Pera: and we enjoy the sense daily continuity -- 毎日の続ける感覚を楽しんでいます。
naoki Turbo: I ll try it too :-)
Pema Pera: hehehe, Sophia
Eliza Madrigal: My sinuses improved with better posture, which improved by stopping in these mini-meditations
Eliza Madrigal: Or it seemed to me, might be pyschosomatic ^^
sophia Placebo: ^^
Pema Pera: equally real, in any case, Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Pema Pera: well, I think I'm going to get some sleep, it is midnight in Japan.
Pema Pera: Kiremimi also says goodbye to everybody!
naoki Turbo: me too
sophia Placebo: goodnight pema
Hana Furlough: yeah i wonder if we can ever really make a distinction between physical and psychosomatic
sophia Placebo: night naoki
Scathach Rhiadra: good night Pema
Hana Furlough: goodnight pema and kiremimi!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Kiremimi, thanks for translating! Night Pema
Pema Pera: oyasumi nasai, Naoki!
Pema Pera: good day everybody!
naoki Turbo: good night everyone
Eos Amaterasu: Good night, all, and good morn, all (must enter the RL sunshine) - bye!
Scathach Rhiadra: good night Naoki!
Hana Furlough: good night naoki-san
naoki Turbo: thanks all ,
Eliza Madrigal: Bye naoki,Eos :)
Scathach Rhiadra: good night Eos
naoki Turbo: have agood day
sophia Placebo: good night eos
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you naoki
Hana Furlough: bye eos
naoki Turbo: me too
naoki Turbo: bye
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Darklee, have you been to Play as Being before?
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting idea Hana... just read your last comment re pyschosomatic/physical
sophia Placebo: that was nice spider
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Eliza Madrigal: A very interesting av
Hana Furlough: lol yeah amazing spider!
sophia Placebo: you can make a distinction
sophia Placebo: physical makes a sense story , psychosomatic makes a fantasy story
Hana Furlough: a fantasy story?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... doesn't fantasy permeate our senses
Eliza Madrigal: imagery, etc
sophia Placebo: medically unbelivale that is hana
Eliza Madrigal: in trying to relate things...ah, I see
sophia Placebo: the symptoms are unrelated to each other , hmm like complaining about a 7 month pregnancy by a 60 year old lady ,
Eliza Madrigal nods :)
sophia Placebo: the complaint persist for 3 months unchanged and the lady demand an x ray !
Hana Furlough: right
Scathach Rhiadra: but people can really display the symptoms as though they had the disease?
sophia Placebo: well the liers are one category , but the true psycosomatic truly feel pain
sophia Placebo: nothing physical though
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Eliza Madrigal: Doctors are under so much strain to move quickly these days... file paperwork, etc.
Eliza Madrigal: And then patients have such access to information that they diagnose themselves and come in with a list of scripts they'd like :)
sophia Placebo: everythings moves queckly these days
sophia Placebo: yeah
Scathach Rhiadra: very true!
Hana Furlough: wow yes
sophia Placebo: they came to you and say : i have flue , dont waste ny time with investigation and exam and i wont answer any question it is all in my file
sophia Placebo: just give me the medicins lol
Eliza Madrigal: hehehehe.yes!
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Hana Furlough: i should get going and start my day
Eliza Madrigal: Good to see you again Hana :)
Hana Furlough: have a wonderful day everyone!
sophia Placebo: bye Hana :) nice to meet you
Scathach Rhiadra: have a good day Hana:)
Hana Furlough: lovely chatting with you all~
Hana Furlough: bye!
Eliza Madrigal: You too!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye
Eliza Madrigal: It is funny though, some things doctors won't talk about until you bring them up, ie supplements and such
Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, see you both again soon:)
Eliza Madrigal: then it is a flood
sophia Placebo: bye scatha
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Scath :) Bye for now
Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
Eliza Madrigal: Namaste'
sophia Placebo: true