2009.07.11 07:00 - Naoki Sensei

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    When i arrived Scathach and Naoki were already there  .

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello again naoki:)
    naoki Turbo: hello gain ^^
    naoki Turbo: again
    Scathach Rhiadra: I am not usually here at this time, but I saw nobody else had turned up, so...
    naoki Turbo: aha
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophia!
    naoki Turbo: hello
    sophia Placebo: hello naoki
    naoki Turbo: hello sophia ::-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: naoki has been here before, sophia, this morning
    sophia Placebo: ^^ great
    naoki Turbo: in Europe this morning ^^
    sophia Placebo: Hello Pema !
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema:)
    naoki Turbo: hello Pema^^
    Pema Pera: Hi Sophia, Scathach, Naoki!
    naoki Turbo: ペマさん、先日はキラカフェでお世話になりましたw
    sophia Placebo: what was that ?
    Pema Pera: そうでしたね、どうもありがとう
    Pema Pera: Japanese :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Japanese!
    naoki Turbo: yes I m japanese ^^
    sophia Placebo: Hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Scath, Pema, Sophia, Naoki :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eliza
    naoki Turbo: hello
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Pema:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)

    Pema disapeared then reapeared again at arriving point

    Pema Pera: (hit the wrong key and got transported home :-)
    Pema Pera: Naoki gave a talk, recently, at the Kira Cafe
    Pema Pera: in the Japanese Evening session
    naoki Turbo: well
    Pema Pera: I heard it was very interesting -- sorry I couldn't attend it myself
    naoki Turbo: a lot of work shop,
    naoki Turbo: he itroduced it

    Language barrier

    naoki Turbo: we Japanese cannot speak English well,
    naoki Turbo: sinse we feel tahe wall about like this ...
    naoki Turbo: we japanese have identity too
    Pema Pera: most of us cannot speak Japanese at all, and some of us only a little . . . (^_^)
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    naoki Turbo: but cannot express it well sinse we canot speak English..

    kaomoji , language barrier melter !

    naoki Turbo: ^^→means smile in japan
    Pema Pera: ^^
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: w
    naoki Turbo: yes
    naoki Turbo: how about ^_^?
    Pema Pera: w = laughing in Japanese, short for warau = to laugh
    Pema Pera: ^_^
    Scathach Rhiadra: =^.^=
    Scathach Rhiadra: or
    Pema Pera: (^_^)
    naoki Turbo: ^^;
    Pema Pera: ~\(*^_^*)/~
    naoki Turbo: yes!
    naoki Turbo: <(_ _)> →means
    sophia Placebo: Hello Hana
    naoki Turbo: please
    Pema Pera: こんにちは、はなさん!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hana :)
    Pema Pera: はなさんも日本語ぺらぺら
    naoki Turbo: hello hana
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Hana
    Hana Furlough: hello everyone
    Eliza Madrigal is ^ ^ ing :)
    Pema Pera: はなさん:なおきさんは日本人です
    Hana Furlough: こんにちわ~
    naoki Turbo: こんにちわー^^
    Hana Furlough: はじめまして!
    naoki Turbo: nice to meet u
    Pema Pera: Naoki was showing us emoticons in Japanese, kaomoji
    Hana Furlough: nice to meet you too!
    Pema Pera: so we exchanged, for example: \(o⌒∇⌒o)/
    sophia Placebo: hi Eos
    Pema Pera: Hi Eos!
    Hana Furlough: yeah kaomoji is the best!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eos
    naoki Turbo: (*^_^*) →means shy
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi all!
    Hana Furlough: hi eos~
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
    naoki Turbo: (^_-) →wink
    naoki Turbo: (T_T) →cring
    sophia Placebo: i was just typing that
    naoki Turbo: japanese write a character vertical
    naoki Turbo: sinse we use "kaomoji" mens face
    naoki Turbo: means
    naoki Turbo: express the emotion
    naoki Turbo: in character
    naoki Turbo: (^o^) →lol
    naoki Turbo: こんな話ししてていいんでしょうか?

    I should have copied  the chat log where i turned on my translator , Sl didnt send me the chat log to Email -_-

    sophia Placebo: you are pulmonologist !
    naoki Turbo: yes
    naoki Turbo: its only in RL ^^
    Pema Pera: do you know other Japanese medical doctors in SL ?
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    naoki Turbo: aha
    naoki Turbo: yes
    Pema Pera: Marube perhaps?
    naoki Turbo: yes,miss marube is doctor
    Pema Pera: 15分間ごとに90秒間休憩します。

    ^ we stop for 90 seconds each 15 mints
    naoki Turbo: she is surgeon
    Pema Pera: 今から皆さんは90秒間黙る。^^
    sophia Placebo: what do you do in your sl clinic ?
    naoki Turbo: well its closed ...
    Pema Pera: SL病院がありましたか?

    ^is there clinics in sl ?
    naoki Turbo: 一時期やってました、実験的に

    ^experimental , it is closed now

    Thanks to Pema and Kiremimi  for translation^^

    Pema Pera: at one time Naoki had such a clinic, experimentally, in SL
    Hana Furlough: すばらしいですね!
    naoki Turbo: あくまでも実験でしたが・・
    Pema Pera: (right now, Kiremimi is helping me to translate, behind me in RL :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    naoki Turbo: 需用はありましたねー確実に
    Pema Pera: it was just an experiment
    Eliza Madrigal: Interesting idea
    Pema Pera: there was a demand, for sure
    Pema Pera: なおきさん、きれみみさんからどうぞよろしく。^^
    naoki Turbo: 人は自分の話を聞いて欲しいものなんです
    Pema Pera: people in general wanted to tell there stories and be heard
    naoki Turbo: 特に体や病気のことを聞いて欲しいと思うのです
    Pema Pera: and sometimes in particular they wanted to talk about their bodies and diseases
    sophia Placebo: so it was like educational?
    Pema Pera: 教育のためでしたか?
    naoki Turbo: no its like a cauncel
    sophia Placebo: ok
    naoki Turbo: 相談のような感じでした
    Hana Furlough: 精神的なケアーでしたか?
    naoki Turbo: yes
    Pema Pera: is it like spiritual care? asked Hana
    Pema Pera: spiritual/psychological
    Hana Furlough: wow great~
    naoki Turbo: 精神的な病気の人も多かったです
    Pema Pera: there are many people who have psychosomatic illnesses
    naoki Turbo: but psychosomatic is not my spesial field...
    naoki Turbo: since I heard there voises
    naoki Turbo: 助言を与え・・
    naoki Turbo: ほとんど相談でしたね
    Pema Pera: sometimes giving advice, it became almost a form of counseling
    naoki Turbo: thank you for transrating
    Pema Pera: you should thank Kiremimi ^^
    naoki Turbo: ^^
    Pema Pera: have you looked at the Play as Being wiki, Naoki?
    naoki Turbo: not yet sorry^^
    naoki Turbo: ah this mornig..
    Pema Pera: sorry, we don't have a Japanese version yet, it would be nice to translate it, some day
    naoki Turbo: ok
    Pema Pera: the main idea is to stop for 9 seconds, every 15 minutes -- but here in SL for 90 seconds
    naoki Turbo: this morning Scath gave me URL...
    Pema Pera: so we can feel a sense of presence -- ”今あるという”存在の感覚 -- dropping our usual identities
    naoki Turbo: yes
    Pema Pera: like a mini meditation -- すごく短い瞑想
    naoki Turbo: I see
    Pema Pera: perhaps you can try with your patients -- 患者さんにもいいかもしれない
    naoki Turbo: yes I think so
    Pema Pera: just to stop for very short times, but many times a day, to relax completely, without judgment - 判断なし
    naoki Turbo: but I dont hava SL clinic now
    Pema Pera: but perhaps you can try in RL ?
    naoki Turbo: yes
    naoki Turbo: in RL
    Pema Pera: resperatory problems often have a psychological side, maybe
    Pema Pera: *respiratory
    naoki Turbo: そういう場合もありますね
    Pema Pera: that may well be
    Pema Pera: sometimes, that is
    Pema Pera: most of us here have tried these mini meditations
    naoki Turbo: I see
    sophia Placebo: well i guess the doctor need these mini meditation more than the patient in rl
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ^^
    Pema Pera: and we enjoy the sense daily continuity -- 毎日の続ける感覚を楽しんでいます。
    naoki Turbo: I ll try it too :-)
    Pema Pera: hehehe, Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: My sinuses improved with better posture, which improved by stopping in these mini-meditations
    Eliza Madrigal: Or it seemed to me, might be pyschosomatic ^^
    sophia Placebo: ^^
    Pema Pera: equally real, in any case, Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Pema Pera: well, I think I'm going to get some sleep, it is midnight in Japan.
    Pema Pera: Kiremimi also says goodbye to everybody!
    naoki Turbo: me too
    sophia Placebo: goodnight pema
    Hana Furlough: yeah i wonder if we can ever really make a distinction between physical and psychosomatic
    sophia Placebo: night naoki
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night Pema
    Hana Furlough: goodnight pema and kiremimi!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Kiremimi, thanks for translating! Night Pema
    Pema Pera: oyasumi nasai, Naoki!
    Pema Pera: good day everybody!
    naoki Turbo: good night everyone
    Eos Amaterasu: Good night, all, and good morn, all (must enter the RL sunshine) - bye!
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night Naoki!
    Hana Furlough: good night naoki-san
    naoki Turbo: thanks all ,
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye naoki,Eos :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night Eos
    naoki Turbo: have agood day
    sophia Placebo: good night eos
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you naoki
    Hana Furlough: bye eos
    naoki Turbo: me too
    naoki Turbo: bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Darklee, have you been to Play as Being before?
    Eliza Madrigal: Interesting idea Hana... just read your last comment re pyschosomatic/physical
    sophia Placebo: that was nice spider
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: A very interesting av
    Hana Furlough: lol yeah amazing spider!
    sophia Placebo: you can make a distinction
    sophia Placebo: physical makes a sense story , psychosomatic makes a fantasy story
    Hana Furlough: a fantasy story?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... doesn't fantasy permeate our senses
    Eliza Madrigal: imagery, etc
    sophia Placebo: medically unbelivale that is hana
    Eliza Madrigal: in trying to relate things...ah, I see
    sophia Placebo: the symptoms are unrelated to each other , hmm like complaining about a 7 month pregnancy by a 60 year old lady ,
    Eliza Madrigal nods :)
    sophia Placebo: the complaint persist for 3 months unchanged and the lady demand an x ray !
    Hana Furlough: right
    Scathach Rhiadra: but people can really display the symptoms as though they had the disease?
    sophia Placebo: well the liers are one category , but the true psycosomatic truly feel pain
    sophia Placebo: nothing physical though
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Doctors are under so much strain to move quickly these days... file paperwork, etc.
    Eliza Madrigal: And then patients have such access to information that they diagnose themselves and come in with a list of scripts they'd like :)
    sophia Placebo: everythings moves queckly these days
    sophia Placebo: yeah
    Scathach Rhiadra: very true!
    Hana Furlough: wow yes
    sophia Placebo: they came to you and say : i have flue , dont waste ny time with investigation and exam and i wont answer any question it is all in my file
    sophia Placebo: just give me the medicins lol
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehehe.yes!
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Hana Furlough: i should get going and start my day
    Eliza Madrigal: Good to see you again Hana :)
    Hana Furlough: have a wonderful day everyone!
    sophia Placebo: bye Hana :) nice to meet you
    Scathach Rhiadra: have a good day Hana:)
    Hana Furlough: lovely chatting with you all~
    Hana Furlough: bye!
    Eliza Madrigal: You too!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye
    Eliza Madrigal: It is funny though, some things doctors won't talk about until you bring them up, ie supplements and such
    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, see you both again soon:)
    Eliza Madrigal: then it is a flood
    sophia Placebo: bye scatha
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Scath :) Bye for now
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
    Eliza Madrigal: Namaste'
    sophia Placebo: true

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