2009.07.12 01:00 - ALL about being meditative

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    Nymf Hathaway: Good day Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: Good day Nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: Do you have a topic Susi?
    Nymf Hathaway: brb
    Nymf Hathaway: back
    Susi Alcott: so sorry; was away
    Hades Nostram: Hello all :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Hades :)
    Susi Alcott: Hello Hades
    Susi Alcott: have you been here before ?
    Hades Nostram: No not yet...just wandering :)
    Susi Alcott: pls feel free to join us
    Susi Alcott: the info pillar gives more detailed info
    Hades Nostram: Ok :) thanks ...what is this all about ?
    Susi Alcott: ...but this is open meeting place of PaB
    Susi Alcott: = Play as being
    Susi Alcott: and speech here is open
    Hades Nostram: Ok.. what is this group doing in SL ?
    Susi Alcott: chatting
    Hades Nostram: What topics ?
    Susi Alcott: do you know what 'sangha' is ?
    Hades Nostram: No ..never heard of it ?
    Susi Alcott: all what ever somebody wants
    Susi Alcott: that is to gather together to share
    Susi Alcott: to 'teach' and learn from other people
    Hades Nostram: Ok..interesting ...philosopical discusions?
    Susi Alcott: that is buddhist term, but in my opinion this place is like sangha
    Hades Nostram: What are you discusing now?
    Nymf Hathaway: silence
    Susi Alcott: we was listening to the sound of silence
    Hades Nostram: Silence can be full of words :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: specially with persons with noble attitude to life like lady Nymf has
    Hades Nostram: my client crashed
    Nymf Hathaway: welcome back
    Hades Nostram: :) thank you
    Susi Alcott: wb
    Hades Nostram: Where are you both from ?
    Hades Nostram: I live in Belgium
    Susi Alcott: I am from Finland
    Nymf Hathaway: Netherlands
    Hades Nostram: All Europeans here ? or is it international
    Nymf Hathaway: International
    Moon Fargis: woooaa
    Moon Fargis: sory i am late
    Moon Fargis: but had to fix up a serious problem
    Nymf Hathaway: Good morning Moon :)
    Hades Nostram: I like that more.. that is the nice part of SL.. meeting can be held from anywhere on Earth..
    Hades Nostram: Hello Moon
    Moon Fargis: hi hades
    Hades Nostram: Hello Stargate
    Nymf Hathaway: Good morning Stargate :)
    Stargate Tone: Good morning Nymf
    Stargate Tone: greetings Hades
    Hades Nostram: What is the 15 min bell ?
    Moon Fargis: ahyes
    Hades Nostram: Hello ..nice to meet you
    Susi Alcott: sry I must go
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Hades Nostram: Bye
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye Susi
    Moon Fargis: play as being is about a hmm lets call is small awarenessm editation we do every 15 minutes for 9 seconds
    Hades Nostram: Susi is in a hurry :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: so its a meditation practise you can do all the day in your daily life , just spare simple 9 seconds from yur time
    Moon Fargis: in sl the time extends here to 90 seconds :) but in rl its just 9
    Hades Nostram: Ok..clear :)
    Hades Nostram: What are we talking about today?
    Moon Fargis: ah we mstly talk about our expereiences
    Moon Fargis: during those meditation but also about alot of other babbling stuff:)
    Hades Nostram: RL an and SL?
    Moon Fargis: more about the other babbling stuff even :)
    Moon Fargis: yep
    Stargate Tone: both
    Moon Fargis: oops wrong one
    Hades Nostram: So.. in fact all topics of live are discused ...is there a agenda or are the discusions random?
    Nymf Hathaway: Oh Moon...this feels like home :)
    Hades Nostram: Better
    Hades Nostram: :)
    Stargate Tone: random
    Stargate Tone: do you have something special on your heart to speak about ?
    Stargate Tone: or mind :)***
    Stargate Tone: in case you want to 'depart' heart and mind
    Moon Fargis: yes basicly we talk about all kind of philosopical, religois, emotional stuff
    Moon Fargis: ahh and we log those talks
    Moon Fargis: to put them on our webpage
    Stargate Tone: oh; sry Susi didn't notice to bring that out
    Moon Fargis: cus we have this meetings 4 times a day there are already alot of talks :)
    Stargate Tone: but it's in the info
    Moon Fargis: so is it ok if we include your name ?
    Stargate Tone: and your words
    Hades Nostram: Ok.. nice to look back discusions.. i do not got an specific topics that i want to discuse
    Stargate Tone: so may I be curious of your special name ?
    Hades Nostram: You can include me...then i drop by now and then... what time are those discusions?
    Moon Fargis: 1PM 7PM 1AM 7 AM
    Moon Fargis: and now :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Depends on where you live Hades... Belgium would be; 10.00/16.00 and 22.00/04.00 hours
    Moon Fargis: yes we ususally say secondlife time
    Hades Nostram: You may Moon :) I was picking a name .. i like myths and the Name Hades comes from a myth..
    Hades Nostram: Thank you Stargate
    Hades Nostram: What is the address of the website ?
    Stargate Tone: thank you Hades
    Moon Fargis: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Stargate Tone: you pls click the info pillar; there you get more details
    Hades Nostram: Nice site!
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
    Moon Fargis: there you also can see in details the philosopy of play as being
    Moon Fargis: nymf: btw , are you lving in a forrest ?:)
    Hades Nostram: Looks well organized!
    Hades Nostram: In myth's indeed nymf's also living in the woods :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: well then let ther be woods
    Nymf Hathaway: smiles at Moon...no but I live very close to one :) and this grass I placed on Pila's land
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Hades Nostram: Nice ..better with all this nature around us
    Nymf Hathaway: Grass... should be wild flowers :)
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
    Moon Fargis: *slurping his tea*
    Nymf Hathaway: wanting her coffee :)
    Hades Nostram: :o)
    Stargate Tone: btw; is Nostradamus also a 'myth' to your opinion ?
    Nymf Hathaway: Thank you Moon :))
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Hades Nostram: In every myth lays some thruth
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: ahh
    Moon Fargis: i see i still have my shakuhachi on
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: think that all ppl present would love to hear U to play
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Nymf Hathaway: hmmm my sounds doesn't work :(
    Stargate Tone: oh
    Stargate Tone: but it's used to ?
    Nymf Hathaway: yes
    Moon Fargis: you heat yourself typing ?
    Moon Fargis: hear
    Nymf Hathaway: no
    Stargate Tone: so that is such lag that comes now and then
    Moon Fargis: hmm maybe a relog solves this :)
    Stargate Tone: pls feel free to relog
    Nymf Hathaway: totally nothing...sound looks like the button Fly at the moment :(
    Hades Nostram: Back...RL needed me :)
    Stargate Tone: wb Hades
    Nymf Hathaway: I will relog
    Hades Nostram: thank you
    Moon Fargis: wb nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: Thank you :)
    Nymf Hathaway: still the same :(
    Moon Fargis: hum
    Hades Nostram: Wb forrest Nymf :)
    Stargate Tone: wb Nymf
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Moon Fargis: hi natashi
    Stargate Tone: maybe some settings in Your pc has changed...
    Moon Fargis: natasha
    Stargate Tone: that happenes also often 'wtihin' crashes...
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Natasha :)
    Stargate Tone: Hello Natasha
    Nymf Hathaway: I will look at it Star... thought the same
    Hades Nostram: Hello Natasha
    Nymf Hathaway: oooh yes Moon!!!
    Nymf Hathaway: Hearing again :)
    Moon Fargis: yaay:)
    Hades Nostram: Nice sounds
    Moon Fargis: natasha: you been here the first time ?
    Natasha Urvile: hi what this place
    Natasha Urvile: yes
    Natasha Urvile: pls tell me abt this place
    Moon Fargis: wel normalyl there is not much wood arund but just today:) then this is a meetingplace for play as being group and intrerests, we meet here becasue we try out a wel, new awareness meditation form,
    Moon Fargis: its open for everyone so feel freeto stay
    Natasha Urvile: what kind of meditation
    Natasha Urvile: i meditate too
    Moon Fargis: ths meditation form is that we do a little 9 seconds awareness meditation every 15 minutes
    Moon Fargis: so everyone can do it during the day
    Natasha Urvile: whats the purpose
    Nymf Hathaway: You are
    Moon Fargis: meditation should have no purpose
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Nymf Hathaway: and everyone else
    Natasha Urvile: meditation has a purpose
    Natasha Urvile: to understand self
    Moon Fargis: ah this is a result :)
    Natasha Urvile: what result
    Moon Fargis: that you notice yourself more
    Moon Fargis: see and understand
    Natasha Urvile: what
    Moon Fargis: but if you go into meditation with a purpose, a gold to it, you might ot reach it
    Moon Fargis: gold= goal
    Natasha Urvile: the result of meditation is always get free from all ur desires
    Natasha Urvile: u always start with desire
    Moon Fargis: yes meditation has alot of results depending who meditates
    Natasha Urvile: end with no desire
    Natasha Urvile: yes and what u doing it for
    Moon Fargis: yes how you do it and whan aso
    Moon Fargis: but imo, meditation itself shall not have a purpose
    Natasha Urvile: it comes after some time
    Moon Fargis: ah btw
    Natasha Urvile: initially theres always a purpose
    Moon Fargis: natasha, we log our talks when we meet here
    Natasha Urvile: btw?
    Moon Fargis: and put the logs on our webside
    Moon Fargis: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Moon Fargis: is it ok to include your name and text ?
    Natasha Urvile: yes pls
    Natasha Urvile: can we discuss more
    Moon Fargis: ofcourse we are here to discuss:)
    Natasha Urvile: whr u from
    Moon Fargis: we meet up 4 times a day
    Natasha Urvile: which style of meditation u follow
    Moon Fargis: 1AM 7 AM 1PM 7PM SLT
    Moon Fargis: i am from germany, and mainly in Zen
    Natasha Urvile: well i have taken diksha from my guru/ teacher
    Natasha Urvile: who taught me meditation
    Natasha Urvile: is there a stage called total dissolution in zen
    Moon Fargis: ahyes sure
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Moon Fargis: basicly the most meditations lead thos this
    Natasha Urvile: what it is
    Moon Fargis: no matter if its joga, adwaida, zen, tibeta chanting aso
    Moon Fargis: its just another practise
    Natasha Urvile: i agree
    Moon Fargis: did you experienced it already ?
    Stargate Tone: but can happen also what U know too Moon; thinking that monk....
    Natasha Urvile: yes in feb 2007
    Moon Fargis: well
    Moon Fargis: there is ofcourse no guarantee it happens
    Natasha Urvile: it does happen
    Natasha Urvile: i guarantee it
    Natasha Urvile: i experienced it
    Moon Fargis: i mean that it happens 100% every time with everyone who meditates
    Stargate Tone: well; like this monk had meditated very long time...but that lead him more far away of realizings...
    Natasha Urvile: no it is a particular style of meditation
    Natasha Urvile: called vippassana
    Natasha Urvile: in budhdhism
    Natasha Urvile: u may not experience it through other styles
    Moon Fargis: well that i mean, it depends on the one who meditates
    Stargate Tone: but if dont meditate at all...
    Natasha Urvile: ask me anything that u want to know
    Natasha Urvile: if u dont meditate u cant experience it
    Natasha Urvile: meditation is must
    Stargate Tone: ok; why 'all' have come to me even I never meditate ?
    Moon Fargis: hmm in that i disagree :)
    Stargate Tone: even so huge much such that I could never even ask or 'wait' or expect
    Moon Fargis: meditation isnt just the one path to it,
    Natasha Urvile: its not necessary u meditate in this life may be u were meditator of past life
    Natasha Urvile: i agree there r many ways
    Stargate Tone: well; even teached and created them methods
    Natasha Urvile: its just one of them
    Moon Fargis: so natasha
    Natasha Urvile: yes
    Moon Fargis: are you already unbound from your guru ?
    Natasha Urvile: can u ever be
    Moon Fargis: well
    Stargate Tone: ..oh...
    Moon Fargis: it is nessesary
    Natasha Urvile: what
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Stargate Tone: ..as nobody is ment to be any puppet...
    Moon Fargis: to be unbound, a guru shall ONLY show you a direction
    Stargate Tone: so nobody truly is not such...
    Moon Fargis: where your practise shall go , the rest you have to experience yourself
    Natasha Urvile: i agree n i did that only
    Natasha Urvile: guru makes u sit in the train to destination
    Nymf Hathaway: Is leaving ...wishing everyone a beautiful day
    Natasha Urvile: u should just continue till u reach
    Moon Fargis: see you nymf
    Stargate Tone: was nice to met you Nymf again
    Nymf Hathaway: Thank you for the lovely sound Moon and the flowers :)
    Stargate Tone: have nice time _/!\_
    Nymf Hathaway: Same here Star :)
    Hades Nostram: Bye Nymf :)
    Moon Fargis: nat: lets say a guru shal sit you in a car learn you how to drive and show you a direction
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Hades Nostram: afk here...phone keeps ringing
    Stargate Tone: **
    Natasha Urvile: i agree
    Natasha Urvile: but he is very important
    Natasha Urvile: as he only can show u direction
    Stargate Tone: ...well..never met any guru...
    Natasha Urvile: when time comes u will
    Moon Fargis: well , in my case i foudn my direction by instinct without a guru
    Stargate Tone: are you the seeer Natasha ?
    Moon Fargis: so that also works but sure it takes longer^^
    Natasha Urvile: yes i m
    Stargate Tone: so why dont you see ?
    Natasha Urvile: what
    Stargate Tone: pls think that
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Natasha Urvile: i didnt get u
    Stargate Tone: I hope you do that 'one day'
    Natasha Urvile: what r u talking about
    Stargate Tone: like I said; I hope you to 'get it' 'one day'
    Stargate Tone: dont worry
    Stargate Tone: and U'll 'get it' quicker
    Natasha Urvile: what u want me to get
    Moon Fargis: *smiles* yes dont worry :)
    Natasha Urvile: ???
    Natasha Urvile: can u explain
    Stargate Tone: I dont believe I could
    Stargate Tone: because you dont see
    Natasha Urvile: unless u tell me how can i
    Natasha Urvile: know what u want me to see
    Natasha Urvile: ??
    Natasha Urvile: moon can u explain
    Moon Fargis: well there is this golden sentence of bein awake
    Moon Fargis: To one awarenes to be awake is to see throught the clouds of the mind, breaking its chains to see and feel clearly oneness in many
    Natasha Urvile: who told u i dont c it
    Stargate Tone: your own words
    Natasha Urvile: i didnt understand ur question
    Natasha Urvile: thats all
    Stargate Tone: and there's reasons why you did not
    Stargate Tone: and them reasons are them 'clouds' within your mind
    Natasha Urvile: i dont think so
    Stargate Tone: yea
    Natasha Urvile: ask me anything of spirituality
    Stargate Tone: agree
    Hades Nostram: Sorry for my absense... RL is demanding :) Need to logof... thanks for the information and i will attend at a discusion soon!
    Stargate Tone: have nice time _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: ok was nice to see you , ore or less see you :)
    Hades Nostram: Thanks...you also have a nice day :)
    Natasha Urvile: do u agree there r no coincidences
    Hades Nostram: :)) i see i am invisible as AV ? ..i will fix that next time :)
    Hades Nostram: Bye! :)
    Stargate Tone: oh yes
    Natasha Urvile: even me coming here
    Moon Fargis: ah natasha, she dont doubt your knowledge about spiritualy
    Natasha Urvile: ???
    Stargate Tone: there's no other unbreakble law but the reasons and concequencies
    Natasha Urvile: this part of meditation is required more in rl
    Stargate Tone: as all do take place based on it
    Natasha Urvile: well there can be only two things for me
    Natasha Urvile: either i learn or i teach
    Natasha Urvile: but u seem to be knowledgeble people
    Natasha Urvile: n filled glass cant be filled
    Natasha Urvile: i hope u agree
    Stargate Tone: well; broke my 'glass' already long time ago
    Moon Fargis: well, there is this important part
    Stargate Tone: and thankfully learning is the right to everybody
    Moon Fargis: becasue you sure can learn, but you have to stop learning and start to realize at a point
    Moon Fargis: ad you know everything already
    Moon Fargis: about yourself
    Moon Fargis: the being of nature
    Stargate Tone: and to me that most bad trap is to even to imagine that knows all
    Moon Fargis: and the nature of being
    Moon Fargis: but that can just be realized by yourself
    Moon Fargis: and yes try to see yourself not as fill glass
    Moon Fargis: filled
    Natasha Urvile: well there is only one truth to realise oneself
    Natasha Urvile: thats should be the only aim of life
    Natasha Urvile: glass was an example
    Stargate Tone: based in your opinion
    Natasha Urvile: truth has no opinion
    Natasha Urvile: n there cant be 2 truths
    Moon Fargis: The meaning of life is how much you give worth into it. (the life itself and the meaning)
    Natasha Urvile: life has no meaning
    Stargate Tone: Natasha Urvile: thats should be the only aim of life
    Stargate Tone: that is an opinion; not the truth
    Natasha Urvile: well u cant tell truth to someone who is sleeping
    Moon Fargis: natasha: you give your live itself a meaning
    Natasha Urvile: one need to be awakened
    Stargate Tone: well; to me there's no common sense to live if there wouldn't be any meaning
    Natasha Urvile: knowing fire burns and experiencing burn is big difference
    Natasha Urvile: total dissolution is nothing but experiencing death
    Stargate Tone: ah yes; one can also shelter oneself off all experiencies
    Natasha Urvile: thats the only truth
    Stargate Tone: that is your opinion
    Stargate Tone: not mine
    Stargate Tone: so; that cannot be any only truth
    Natasha Urvile: u cant have that opinion unless u experience it
    Stargate Tone: I experience the meaning in my human mind each time I wake up to human life
    Moon Fargis: and what is, when i tell you there is much more than just the dissoluton ?
    Stargate Tone: but when I am 'asleep' from human world, I experience the meaning there when my mind is then
    Stargate Tone: where
    Natasha Urvile: r u asking?
    Natasha Urvile: or telling
    Stargate Tone: Moon asked; I told
    Stargate Tone: hm...ok; you asked to ask
    Stargate Tone: so I now ask;
    Stargate Tone: what do you see looking upon my foremer incarnations ?
    Natasha Urvile: ur former incarnations is the cause of ur this berth
    Natasha Urvile: there is a cycle
    Natasha Urvile: that decides how n as what u r born
    Natasha Urvile: when u die with list of desires unfulfilled
    Stargate Tone: well; that's to know...not needed to look 'back' in 'time'
    Moon Fargis: nat, yes thats the teaching of your guru
    Stargate Tone: I asked you to look and tell what u see ...
    Moon Fargis: and the buddhism form you practise
    Moon Fargis: but yes what do you see, also in yourself
    Natasha Urvile: well i see myself one with the universe
    Natasha Urvile: with the almighty
    Natasha Urvile: we all r one
    Stargate Tone: so you are all mighty ?
    Natasha Urvile: thats the experience
    Natasha Urvile: no
    Natasha Urvile: i become one with him
    Stargate Tone: then you cannot be one with the all mighty
    Natasha Urvile: in my meditation
    Natasha Urvile: thats why i said u need to experience it
    Stargate Tone: can u do something when you meditate; eat...speak...work...
    Natasha Urvile: i dont exist
    Natasha Urvile: no
    Stargate Tone: and how can you claim that I'm not experienced it ?
    Natasha Urvile: i didnt mean that
    Natasha Urvile: but when we talk abt the truth it cant be explained
    Natasha Urvile: it need to be expernced
    Stargate Tone: ...and ?
    Natasha Urvile: truth cant be told
    Natasha Urvile: n convinced abt
    Stargate Tone: yet; U've said many 'only one truths'....
    Natasha Urvile: yes truth is only one
    Moon Fargis: myfriends lets take a little 5 minute break
    Moon Fargis: ad just lsten
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: do you Natasha want to stop discussion with me ?
    Natasha Urvile: no i luv it
    Stargate Tone: well...Moon...
    Moon Fargis: its not metn to be a stp
    Moon Fargis: juzst a break
    Stargate Tone: can You 'turne your looks' from the texts :)****
    Stargate Tone: just a question :)****
    Natasha Urvile: yes
    Moon Fargis: sure but i dont want :)
    Stargate Tone: ahhh
    Stargate Tone: ok
    Stargate Tone: so I honour your request *
    Stargate Tone: hearts

    Stargate Tone: and yes; I'de still like to listen U to play :)***
    Moon Fargis: ok hehe now you might continue :)
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Natasha Urvile: to be honest truth can never be discussed only experienced
    Natasha Urvile: with proper gudence
    Natasha Urvile: guidence
    Moon Fargis: and yes this guidance needs to be you
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Moon Fargis: an not a guru becasue then you just experience his thruth
    Stargate Tone: and there are many ways that proper guidence to take place
    Natasha Urvile: yes there r many paths all leading to one
    Natasha Urvile: u only need to have faith
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Natasha Urvile: in what u do
    Stargate Tone: well....not always even that...
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Moon Fargis: well zen for example is caled the pathles path
    Natasha Urvile: pls continue
    Stargate Tone: well; thinking those so many people that has been healed even they had no faith that to happen
    Moon Fargis: ah i wish but now rl calls me, ill be back in a few minuts but letting my av here:)
    Natasha Urvile: is it only physical healing u r looking at
    Stargate Tone: **
    Stargate Tone: sure not
    Natasha Urvile: then
    Stargate Tone: as in case only the human body is 'healed'; that's only them symptoms to been healed
    Stargate Tone: not the reason to the prob
    Natasha Urvile: well u need to think higher
    Natasha Urvile: above body mind
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: may I ask you something now ?
    Natasha Urvile: try to reach soul
    Natasha Urvile: pls
    Stargate Tone: if you speak to me; say 'you', but if you speak generally; use the word 'one'...or 'the person'...or something like that
    Natasha Urvile: yes its my english problem
    Natasha Urvile: pls excuse me for that
    Stargate Tone: you was 4given before you asked
    Natasha Urvile: ty
    Stargate Tone: but yes; as I neither can any perfrect english
    Natasha Urvile: ask u want more
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Stargate Tone: well...just to let you to know this, which is no secret
    Stargate Tone: that I believe that I couldn't help so many ppl when them doctors have not been able to help them
    Stargate Tone: in case I woulnd't know genuinly
    Natasha Urvile: i dont doubt ur ability to cure ppl
    Natasha Urvile: u r one of the blessed may be
    Stargate Tone: well...donno how much it's been any my ability; but the truth I've been able to share cuz I know it
    Stargate Tone: to me that's no blessing or curse; that's 'only to know'
    Natasha Urvile: its his grace shining upon u
    Stargate Tone: and to that I'de say that 'her'...
    Natasha Urvile: anything u may as u pls
    Natasha Urvile: it doesnt matter
    Natasha Urvile: its only the faith
    Stargate Tone: does to me
    Natasha Urvile: or perception
    Natasha Urvile: why
    Stargate Tone: or thinking the forcies difference; as the female is the creativity, and male is controll....
    Natasha Urvile: the day u realise there is no difference u rise much much higher
    Stargate Tone: so; something that shines without controll to where it shines; that's female to me
    Moon Fargis: re
    Stargate Tone: wb Moon
    Stargate Tone: why do you think I could rise higher than I aleready am ?
    Stargate Tone: what is that 'higher' to you ?
    Natasha Urvile: because u still c the difference
    Natasha Urvile: it is the experience
    Stargate Tone: so; that also is only your opinion; not mine
    Natasha Urvile: htere is no u or me we r one
    Moon Fargis: we, are lke leafs on a tree
    Moon Fargis: we are the tree but also leafs
    Stargate Tone: so you have avoided the experience of own thinking and own experieencies ?
    Natasha Urvile: no
    Natasha Urvile: to experience u do through this body
    Natasha Urvile: but when u reach u realise
    Stargate Tone: not only this body
    Stargate Tone: well; reached that already 'ages' ago...dont have in my this memory such time that I wouldn't
    Stargate Tone: in my this incarnation
    Stargate Tone: and I remember up to my age as two weeks
    Stargate Tone: meaning this incarnation
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Natasha Urvile: two week?
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Natasha Urvile: in sl
    Stargate Tone: nope
    Stargate Tone: in RL
    Natasha Urvile: what that means
    Stargate Tone: as the quite newborn baby
    Natasha Urvile: pls explain
    Stargate Tone: meaning that I remember up to that my age
    Natasha Urvile: u remember upto that age u mean?
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Natasha Urvile: that only shows good memory
    Stargate Tone: yet; I dont remember such time that I wouldn't experience also that 'else'
    Stargate Tone: well,,,maybe that showes good memory too...donno that
    Natasha Urvile: else??
    Stargate Tone: that 'oneness' you speak about
    Stargate Tone: 'not to exist' what you speak about
    Natasha Urvile: ok
    Natasha Urvile: what ur desire now
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: a sec
    Stargate Tone: must think ...
    Stargate Tone: well...the desire to get something to eat seems to rise...
    Moon Fargis: well i just eaten maybe you ow get some ?:)
    Stargate Tone: as I have not had time to take the proper care of my earthly body's needs
    Stargate Tone: thank you
    Stargate Tone: that must have happened
    Stargate Tone: cuz I dont feel SO hungry than the 'time' would tell *
    Stargate Tone: thank You *
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Stargate Tone: so...dont want to drain you; so I'll get something to eat now
    Stargate Tone: brb
    Moon Fargis: so nat: what do you feel when you hear the word emptyness?
    Natasha Urvile: bye
    Stargate Tone: ahh...Moon and or Nat
    Natasha Urvile: is there anything thats empty
    Stargate Tone: would you desire the cake ?
    Stargate Tone: with cream and berries and such
    Natasha Urvile: no thanks i dont believe in eating in sl
    Moon Fargis: wel i eaten well thanks ;)
    Stargate Tone: ment in RL
    Natasha Urvile: u cant share
    Natasha Urvile: thnks 4 asking
    Stargate Tone: well; Moon and me and Fael have been able to share this kind of things too
    Moon Fargis: there s a connection to everyone of us nat
    Natasha Urvile: hows that u share
    Moon Fargis: like the leafs on a tree are connected to each other throught the branches
    Natasha Urvile: i agree
    Stargate Tone: but well; going to 'talk' with the kitchen now *
    Natasha Urvile: moon lets talk
    Moon Fargis: so lots of people call this connection also oneness but even t is just a half truth
    Natasha Urvile: ok
    Natasha Urvile: continue
    Moon Fargis: when you dissolve with your body you experience this connection
    Moon Fargis: cus you just fade you yourself for a while
    Moon Fargis: your body as leaf
    Natasha Urvile: yes
    Moon Fargis: i once started this to explain some basic of buddhism
    Natasha Urvile: k
    Moon Fargis: but its potential is much higher
    Natasha Urvile: k
    Moon Fargis: but i disnt found time to continue writing :)
    Natasha Urvile: k
    Natasha Urvile: r u budhdhist
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Moon Fargis: yes Zen buddhism
    Natasha Urvile: from?
    Moon Fargis: i live in germany :)
    Natasha Urvile: k
    Moon Fargis: and you ?
    Natasha Urvile: india
    Moon Fargis: ahyes now i more understand the meaning of a guru to you
    Natasha Urvile: good
    Moon Fargis: our both buddhist traditions youldnt be more different hehe
    Moon Fargis: but still the same
    Natasha Urvile: i respect all paths
    Natasha Urvile: becos all lead to same
    Natasha Urvile: whats the goal of zen budhdhism
    Moon Fargis: no goal
    Natasha Urvile: the final stage
    Natasha Urvile: may be
    Natasha Urvile: how u know
    Natasha Urvile: u r there
    Moon Fargis: well there are some happenings
    Natasha Urvile: like?
    Moon Fargis: satori
    Natasha Urvile: ???
    Moon Fargis: well could be described as enlightment
    Natasha Urvile: thats how
    Moon Fargis: also this body dissolation can happen
    Natasha Urvile: what that expernce is
    Natasha Urvile: ok
    Natasha Urvile: theres more to it
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Moon Fargis: oh ofcourse there are alot f results
    Moon Fargis: and that always depends on the one who practise
    Natasha Urvile: tell me abt urs
    Moon Fargis: my results, hmm :) look around you
    Moon Fargis: lk outside the winow maybe, spot a tree
    Natasha Urvile: k
    Moon Fargis: see and observe his beauty
    Moon Fargis: basicly so start to see beuty in everything
    Natasha Urvile: ok
    Natasha Urvile: u dont know anything
    Natasha Urvile: u r misguided
    Moon Fargis: as some buddhist traditions try to fill themself , in zen you start to empty yourself
    Natasha Urvile: u must learn
    Moon Fargis: no :)
    Natasha Urvile: u must accept u dont know anything
    Moon Fargis: thats what star ment
    Natasha Urvile: do u agree
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Stargate Tone: b
    Moon Fargis: that you just see what you learned and you know
    Stargate Tone: shall scroll them lines
    Natasha Urvile: do u agree
    Natasha Urvile: u dont know anything
    Natasha Urvile: moon???
    Natasha Urvile: moon???
    Natasha Urvile: r u there?
    Moon Fargis: well i agree i know everything and dont know everything
    Natasha Urvile: u r good
    Natasha Urvile: i m pleased
    Natasha Urvile: sorry i was testing u
    Moon Fargis: dont worry:) my responses are a bit slow atm cus my cat want to let me know more :)
    Moon Fargis: star: greetings from susi
    Natasha Urvile: may all be happy
    Moon Fargis: ah nat,
    Natasha Urvile: yes
    Moon Fargis: is it ok if i invite you to my group ?
    Natasha Urvile: whats that abt
    Fael Illyar: Hi Moon, Star, Natasha :)
    Natasha Urvile: k
    Moon Fargis: i have my own sim called hikari and lead several meditations there
    Moon Fargis: ah greetings fael
    Natasha Urvile: hi thr
    Natasha Urvile: sim?
    Moon Fargis: well a sim is a 64000 sqm large spot in secndlife
    Natasha Urvile: ok
    Moon Fargis: would be glad to see yu there :)
    Natasha Urvile: moon
    Fael Illyar: 65536sqm, Moon :)
    Moon Fargis: okok :)
    Natasha Urvile: i cant promise
    Natasha Urvile: anything now
    Natasha Urvile: my stage is
    Natasha Urvile: i trying to complete this part of life before
    Natasha Urvile: final destination
    Natasha Urvile: or moksha
    Natasha Urvile: when u realise all is false
    Natasha Urvile: it is very hard to continue
    Natasha Urvile: thats my stage
    Stargate Tone: done
    Natasha Urvile: very difficult
    Moon Fargis: ah so you just started to open your eyes, yes
    Moon Fargis: dont worry
    Stargate Tone: 'meaning the reading of them lines'
    Natasha Urvile: i didnt get u
    Stargate Tone: sends greetings to Susi too; with kisses
    Natasha Urvile: moon?
    Moon Fargis: you noticed that all you learned is based of terems and illusions people created
    Stargate Tone: that you are just awakening
    Moon Fargis: terms
    Moon Fargis: but thats not all
    Stargate Tone: to see genuinly
    Natasha Urvile: continue
    Moon Fargis: yes you have to continue :)
    Natasha Urvile: whats not all
    Stargate Tone: ah sry; need to get back to the kitchen again
    Natasha Urvile: moon
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Natasha Urvile: ?
    Moon Fargis: hmm i think such thing cant be described with words
    Moon Fargis: that have to be realized by yourself
    Natasha Urvile: ok i m aware of that
    Natasha Urvile: actually after reaching the stage coming back is difficult
    Moon Fargis: well thats why
    Natasha Urvile: well theres no need also
    Moon Fargis: you try to come back from something you always where
    Natasha Urvile: but for things u started need to be finished
    Natasha Urvile: yes
    Natasha Urvile: i take ur leave
    Natasha Urvile: thank u all
    Stargate Tone: *
    Natasha Urvile: star?
    Moon Fargis: was nice to meet you nat, hope to see you soon, maybe on one of my meditatio and babbles
    Natasha Urvile: may all be happy
    Natasha Urvile: bye all
    Moon Fargis: bye ^^/
    Fael Illyar: see you Natasha :)

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