2009.09.02 13:00 - A taste of tastier retreat

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
    Wol Euler: helllo yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you today ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: half of the workweek is behind us :)
    Wol Euler: tired, low on energy somehow.
    Wol Euler: and three quarters of the year.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i prefer the half of the week, i donֲ´t like to think that summer is over and we are going to see chrismas soon :D
    Yakuzza Lethecus: christmas
    Wol Euler: I don't mind winter, I look forward to the end of this heat and humidity.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: itֲ´s over at least where i am
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey doug
    Wol Euler: hello doug
    doug Sosa: hi, i can only stay till first bell.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: np
    doug Sosa: thanks!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: whatֲ´s up with your project to make people more aware about the environment in political thinking
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or did i missunderstood you ?
    Wol Euler: fefonz! hooray!!
    Wol Euler: welcome home
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think thats what i remember from one of you conversations
    Fefonz Quan: Hello friends :)
    doug Sosa: well, slow..
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb fef :)
    doug Sosa: hi:)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol, Doug, Yaku
    Wol Euler: where are fef?
    Fefonz Quan: ?
    Wol Euler: already on this side of the Atlantic?
    Fefonz Quan: Yes, landed yesterday
    Wol Euler grins. And?
    Fefonz Quan: getting used to it alowly :)
    Fefonz Quan: slowly*
    Wol Euler: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bertram
    Wol Euler: hello bert
    Fefonz Quan: so many changes happenned in such short time
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hello everybody :-)
    Fefonz Quan: a week ago i was at the RL PaB retreat, and since then i flew 4 flights, left the retreat, left berkeley and californiya, left princeton and my office, and came here
    Wol Euler smiles
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow
    Fefonz Quan: not to mention carying ~120 Kg to and from airports
    Wol Euler: oooh
    Bertram Jacobus: why so much ?
    Fefonz Quan: that's what you do when you move to another continent i guess :)
    Bertram Jacobus: uh. moving ? for a long time ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello arch ... :-)
    Wol Euler: un-moving, you might say. Moving back :)
    Fefonz Quan: hello Arch
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello arch
    Fefonz Quan: where is doug?
    Wol Euler: he abandoned ship
    Bertram Jacobus: he disappeared
    Fefonz Quan: Oh, it's a shame.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he told us in the beginning that he will leave before the first bell
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but that was really fast
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. okay
    Fefonz Quan: i see. so it's not my changing seats :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wol
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bertram
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Fefonz
    Bertram Jacobus: one never knows fef (?) ... ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb doug
    Fefonz Quan: In a way we agreed it to be a 'mini-theme session'
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. wb doug
    Wol Euler: wb doug
    Fefonz Quan: wb Doug :)
    doug Sosa: system failure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello pema
    Bertram Jacobus: ui. pema. hello :-)
    Fefonz Quan: where we speak a little about our RL retreat experience
    Wol Euler: there's been a lot of that today, the datases crashed earlier on.
    Wol Euler: hello pema
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Pema!
    Wol Euler: I'd love to hear what you thought, Fef.
    Archmage Atlantis: Pema *nods*
    Pema Pera: hi everybody (slow connection today)
    Fefonz Quan: Yes, i thhought it is my new location causing me troubles
    Bertram Jacobus: which location please ?
    Fefonz Quan: just a temporal comuter till i organize things at my appartement
    Fefonz Quan: computer
    Bertram Jacobus: ah
    Wol Euler: I'd love to hear what you thought of the retreat, Fef.
    Archmage Atlantis: I also, Fef, first though, who else here attended if I may ask
    Fefonz Quan: Doug and Pema
    Fefonz Quan: (as far as i know :)
    Archmage Atlantis: tu
    Archmage Atlantis: ty
    Wol Euler: wb pema
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fefonz Quan: well it was a new kind of experience, that's for sure
    Fefonz Quan: first, i didn't need to bother about typoes :))
    Wol Euler: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting observation
    Fefonz Quan: then, it was great to get to know the people in real life
    Archmage Atlantis: Especially without blinking in and out of existence, no doubt
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fefonz Quan: well you'll be surprised that people did vanish and came back here and there :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: and the atmosphere was like an extention of the SL one here
    Fefonz Quan: along with more practice time, which made it very focused and intens in a good way for me.
    Fefonz Quan: (surely not as focused as the sessions you run here Wol ;))
    Wol Euler: :-PPPP
    Wol Euler: what was your favourite practice/event/thing?
    Archmage Atlantis: Fef, a question about the atmosphere
    Fefonz Quan: well, it is hard to pick the best practice, because, for example, i really liked the structure of the last day with the 5 stages, yet in previous more looes meditations i felt i 'see' more or dive more into it
    Fefonz Quan: loose*
    Fefonz Quan: i would say the the whole experience, and maybe mainly the energy and communication between people was the tastier ingredient.
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice phrase "tastier"
    Fefonz Quan: which in some place a small demon inside me is a little judgmental of it.
    Wol Euler: why?
    Fefonz Quan: if i may quote him: "i wish i could tell you about some special session with a breakthrough experience and state. isn't that why we all came here?"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fox
    Bertram Jacobus: hy fox ... :-)
    Wol Euler: hello fox
    Pema Pera: hi Fox!
    Fefonz Quan: hello fo!
    Fefonz Quan: x
    Fox Monacular: Hi everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: Most breakthroughs, to my experience, are the work of a lifetime
    Wol Euler: true, but even those tend to have a single triggering eventt, don't you think?
    Archmage Atlantis: At least as they involve individual entities
    Fefonz Quan: Then, leaving the expectations behind, the total experience was wonderful, warm, exciting, surprising at times, and a great Finale for that year for me
    Wol Euler: very good.
    Wol Euler: I'm pleased for you, fef.
    Fefonz Quan: thanks Wol :)
    Archmage Atlantis: And, Fef, without the experience, would the year have been less of a life affecting time period for you? ...It sounds like it might have....One might call that a "breakthrough"
    Fefonz Quan: so, i can't really say that Arch... My experience shows that 'life affecting' takes some time to measure
    Pema Pera: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: iֲ´m tired. iֲ´ll leave. have a good time all. ty and bye ...
    Wol Euler: goodnight Bert, sleep well
    Pema Pera: bye Bert!
    Fefonz Quan: By Bert, see you soon i hope
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nacht bert
    Archmage Atlantis: Take care Bertram, Blessings
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    Pema Pera: Hi Arabella!
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all again !
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Fox Monacular: Hello Ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone! Hiya Pema! wb!
    Fefonz Quan: Hiya Ara!
    arabella Ella: Hiya Fef wb too!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Ara
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: thanks, Arabella!
    Wol Euler: I was thinking about your demon, Fef, wanting trumpets and fireworks and a parade of elephants.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Wol Euler: why is "enough" so often not enough? ;)
    Wol Euler: (not just you, I think most of us hve such a demon)
    Fefonz Quan: i want to say he is a little shy demon, i can't say he pooped he party, not at all :)
    Fefonz Quan: the party*
    Wol Euler: :)
    Pema Pera: watching and appreciating such little demons is a great practice -- fun too
    Fefonz Quan: maye we are ambitious Wol?
    Wol Euler: ambition -> desire -> suffering :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i knew that :-P
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Pema Pera: just watching your ambition already makes it less sticky, and gives you more freedom; just the recognition of it all
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Archmage Atlantis: suffering -> understanding -> enlightenment
    Fefonz Quan: yeah1
    Fefonz Quan: !
    Fefonz Quan: i do feel that in a way i was given a stronger 'stance' in the PaB playground
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Fefonz Quan: like 'got me back to the game', but more mild phrasing
    Fefonz Quan: brought my attention back to our practice, with a new energy, freshness and vitality
    Wol Euler smiles. Great.
    Pema Pera: I, too, was surprised to see how complementary and mutually reinforcing RL PaB and SL Pab really was
    Pema Pera: thanks to SL PaB, we started off better than any other retreat group I've ever seen
    Pema Pera: rigth from hour 1.
    Pema Pera: and I'm sure it will reinvigorate SL PaB in turn
    Wol Euler nods
    Fefonz Quan: i agree very strongly with that Pema. it was like a basketball team meeting for the first time, yet already knows all the drills :)
    arabella Ella: sounds brilliant :)
    arabella Ella: fantastic news
    Pema Pera: yes, very much so, Fef!
    arabella Ella: and a lovely way of describing it too Fef
    Pema Pera: And this brings me to a crazy idea I got at the end of the retreat. . . .
    Wol Euler grins
    Pema Pera: we stop 4 x per day for 9 seconds
    Archmage Atlantis: The oracle speaks
    Pema Pera: I mean hour of course
    Fefonz Quan: (4xper day?)
    Pema Pera: and meet here 4 x a day
    Pema Pera: (4x an hour we stop, sorry
    Pema Pera: so why not have a retreat 4x a year?
    Fefonz Quan: yes,sure np)
    Pema Pera: of course some retreats may have only a few people
    Pema Pera: but even three would be interesting
    arabella Ella: what do you reckon the minimum no of ppl would be Pema?
    Pema Pera: with three viewpoints and three types of interactions
    Fefonz Quan: well, if one of them is Stim, i would consider it a dialogue mostly ;-)
    Pema Pera: for four: 4 viewpoitns and 6 lines of interaction
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fefonz Quan: (one of the three i menat)
    Pema Pera: the absolute minimum would be 2, Arabella
    Fefonz Quan: meant
    arabella Ella listens
    Pema Pera: but I would guess that any retreat would attract at least three or four
    Pema Pera: but we'll see -- the 4/hour idea was crazy, and so was the 4/day, so why not 4/year?
    Fefonz Quan: (note: the issue is not the attraction, but the ability to manifest it )
    Pema Pera: so here's the plan:
    Archmage Atlantis: Too many years in the corporate world, I guess, but what about sustained funding for the retreats
    Wol Euler: a grup that small would have a quite different dynamic. We might rent a house and cook for ourselves, rather tahn taking over a retreaty place.
    Pema Pera: last week of January in Malta (thanks Arabella), last week of April in California again, last week of July somewhere cool
    arabella Ella: :)
    Fefonz Quan: try to do that in tel aviv, and you'll fincd it's cheaper to fly hehe
    Pema Pera: yes, Wol
    Pema Pera: funding would be great, indeed
    Pema Pera: we can try and see
    Fefonz Quan: (->Wol)
    arabella Ella: January in Malta could be quite cool you know :)
    Pema Pera: but not freezing!
    Wol Euler: so january in Tel Aviv, and spring in Malta?
    arabella Ella: no snow
    Wol Euler: winter in Iceland :)
    Wol Euler: *summer in Iceland, sorry.
    Wol Euler: autumn in France or Germany
    Fefonz Quan: No, i meant just that the rental prices in TA are sky rocketing...
    Fox Monacular: summer in Montreal...
    arabella Ella: maybe in Eilat Fef?
    arabella Ella: in low season
    Pema Pera: I think that it's nice to have a different continent each time, so after Malta a very different place, Wol
    Fefonz Quan: i can hadle that, Ara :)
    Pema Pera: yes, Fox, great idea!
    Fefonz Quan: how cold is it in malta?
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Pema Pera: and how warm in July in Montreal?
    arabella Ella: at the moment about 40 degrees
    Wol Euler: eeeep
    arabella Ella: in winter average 15 - 18 daytime
    Fox Monacular: 25-30 in summer
    Pema Pera: you call that cold, Arabella :-)
    arabella Ella: yes
    Pema Pera: sounds great, Fox!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: this is like San Francisco on August, Ara
    Fox Monacular: you can practice your french too:)
    Wol Euler: mais oui!
    arabella Ella: i think the dynamics of geographical location should relate to accessibility for those who could be expected to attend
    Pema Pera: naturallement
    arabella Ella: well Fef ... as in your homeland ... our cold is a damp cold
    Fefonz Quan: damp cold?
    Archmage Atlantis: Isn't that the cart before the horse, Ara?
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, it makes a difference. Canada at -30 is not as miserable as London at +1
    arabella Ella: maybe Arch
    Fox Monacular: I will be in Boston for next year, so anywhere not too far from there is good for me...
    Fefonz Quan: well arch, we always begin at the end here :)
    Fox Monacular: I agree with Wol:)
    Wol Euler: newport RI :)
    Wol Euler: lovely out of season, with no tourists, just hte atlantic ocean breaking on the rocks
    arabella Ella: :)
    Fox Monacular: sounds awesome
    Fefonz Quan had enough of the east coast winter
    Wol Euler laughs
    Fefonz Quan: i would go for what you call spring there
    Fefonz Quan: and bring my coat
    arabella Ella: me too :)
    Fox Monacular: bye everyone, I have to go
    Pema Pera: bye Fox!
    arabella Ella: bye Fox
    Wol Euler: bye fox, take care
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, a shore house in any of the Atlantic states with a good ocean view makes for a wonderful experience, having done that before
    Fefonz Quan: bye Fox
    Archmage Atlantis: Especially in winter
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Archmage Atlantis: Fireplace, ocean view, .....huddled in discussion
    Fefonz Quan: my vote will e malta for winter, but that is obvious
    arabella Ella: :)
    Fefonz Quan: be*
    Pema Pera: well, I have to get going
    Pema Pera: thanks Fefonz, for your thoughtful reflections and recollections!
    Wol Euler: nice to see you again, Pema. Take care.
    arabella Ella: the countryside here is lovely in winter, walking on cliffs, watching the sea ... it is so lovely all green and blue
    arabella Ella: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: I'm sold, Arabella :-)
    Fefonz Quan: BYE pEMA
    arabella Ella: cool
    Pema Pera: bey everybody!
    Archmage Atlantis: Adio, Mssr. Pera
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Archmage Atlantis: *Adios
    arabella Ella: au revoir
    Fefonz Quan: I can say in favor of SL, that after i moved here, the only place i can still visit as i did the lsat moths, is here :)
    Wol Euler smiles
    arabella Ella: :)
    Fefonz Quan: last months
    arabella Ella: one advantage with Malta is the short travelling distances
    Fefonz Quan: (thought we'll keep it a secret Ara ;-)
    arabella Ella: and Wol Malta in winter is similar to Germany in Spring
    arabella Ella: ah
    arabella Ella: ok secret then?
    Archmage Atlantis: Fef, does that mean that the quality or nature of what you experience in other places has changed, or that you do not visit other places?
    Fefonz Quan: I meant that now that i moved to another continent, none of the places i went to, the coffee shops, stores, etc. are out of reach for me now
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, and I thought it to be more philosophical *smile*
    Fefonz Quan: we are practical philosophers here :)
    Wol Euler grin
    Wol Euler: +s
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone, good evening arch
    Wol Euler: goodnight yak, sleep well
    Fefonz Quan: Bye Yaku
    Archmage Atlantis: Nite Yak
    arabella Ella: bye Yak
    arabella Ella: nite
    arabella Ella: so please say more Fef
    arabella Ella: sounds intruiging
    Fefonz Quan: more about what Ara?
    arabella Ella: this
    arabella Ella: 14:06] Fefonz Quan: I meant that now that i moved to another continent, none of the places i went to, the coffee shops, stores, etc. are out of reach for me now
    Fefonz Quan: (Oh Lord, please don't let me be missunderstood)
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: la la la
    Wol Euler: speaking of which, have you heard Mr. Zimmerman's latest?
    arabella Ella: no
    arabella Ella listens
    Fefonz Quan: there are many changes in my life now Ara, so in a way, the only 'place' i can visit now, which i could also visit one month ago, is SL.
    arabella Ella: ah
    arabella Ella: interesting
    Fefonz Quan: have not Wol, should I?
    arabella Ella: a constant
    arabella Ella: in times of flux and change
    arabella Ella: like the philosopher who had said
    arabella Ella: you cannot step into the same river twice
    Fefonz Quan: exactly. in fact, you cannot even seat in the same chair twice, the river is the easy example :)
    arabella Ella: you really sound like a wise sage tonight Fef honestly :)
    arabella Ella: makes a lot of sense
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: it's the jetlag.
    Fefonz Quan: right :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: so jetlag makes once wise u think?
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: makes one wise
    Fefonz Quan: one twice :)
    Wol Euler: it certainly makes one speak in koans.
    arabella Ella: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I am certain Fef speaks truth, as I cannot even sit on my same personal seat twice.....fat content keeps changing, skin keeps renewing. etcetera, etcetera
    Fefonz Quan: and the mind...
    Wol Euler: cannot think the same thought twice :)
    Fefonz Quan: i think you're right Wol. Well in second thought... :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I must disagree Wol......I can't count the times I've thought, "Now where did I put my keys?"
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: the question are always the same, though the answers go on changing
    Fefonz Quan: questions*
    arabella Ella: fraid i must go now ... nite all ... lovely to see u all here!
    Archmage Atlantis: Nite ARa
    Wol Euler: bye ara, take care.
    Fefonz Quan: great seeing you here Ara! sleep well
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, this is going to be really hard core in a moment with just the 3 of us here......Time for supper I say *chuckle*
    Archmage Atlantis: It's been a pleasure Fef
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: bye arch, bon appetit
    Fefonz Quan: for me too Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: And always go to see you Wol
    Fefonz Quan: enjoy you dinner
    Archmage Atlantis: Tks, later.....Blessings
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Fefonz Quan: Think i'll call it a night too, it's half past midnight here and i have a job interview tomorrow
    Wol Euler: good luck!
    Fefonz Quan: it's reat to see you again here Wol,
    Wol Euler: it's great to see you again, fef
    Fefonz Quan: thought of your spirit sometimes during the retreat
    Wol Euler: awww :)
    Wol Euler: I wish I could have been there.
    Fefonz Quan: hope some other time.
    Wol Euler: definitely.
    Fefonz Quan: Good night !
    Wol Euler: 'night fef, take care.


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