2009.09.30 19:00 - ...cease to cherish opinions

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

stevenaia Michinaga: hi Paradise
Paradise Tennant: hiya steve ..how are you :)
stevenaia Michinaga: better
stevenaia Michinaga: to much food (leftovers) from this past weekend that didn;t agree with me
Paradise Tennant: yikes
Paradise Tennant: hiya pila
Pila Mulligan: hi Steve an dParadise
stevenaia Michinaga: and other things that seemed to ahve cleared up, interesting as Spetember began as a wonderful month and ended not as much
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pila
stevenaia Michinaga: happy Wwednesday
Paradise Tennant: happy wednesday
Pila Mulligan: thanks
stevenaia Michinaga: since we seemed to have staked out wednesday as our own, what shall we do with this?
Pila Mulligan: I'm busily subverting people to osgrid :)
Paradise Tennant: :) does any one have anything they would like to talk about
Paradise Tennant: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Pila Mulligan: got almost half a dozen so far :)
Paradise Tennant: :)
Pila Mulligan: I'd like to show you my new beach place there sometimw
stevenaia Michinaga: where do you take them
Pila Mulligan: to the beach :)
stevenaia Michinaga: here ot OSGrid
Pila Mulligan: swim with the whales :)
Paradise Tennant: loves the beach !
stevenaia Michinaga: yes we have a summer date with the beach every year
Pila Mulligan: rl though
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Pila Mulligan: I prefer rl also
Pila Mulligan: hi eos
stevenaia Michinaga: swimng here jsut isn;t quite the same
Pila Mulligan: not even wet
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pila, Para, Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, we are drip dry
Pila Mulligan: hmmm, a topic?
Pila Mulligan: ....
Paradise Tennant: hiya eos
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, all yours Pila
Eos Amaterasu: Pema does a great rap on APAPB at http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/09/2009.09.30_07%3a00_-
Pila Mulligan: thinks
stevenaia Michinaga: hands Pila the talking stick... if I ahd one
Pila Mulligan shakes it
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Eos Amaterasu listens
Pila Mulligan: yes, i read that log earlier Eos
Pila Mulligan: this stick is quiet :)
Eos Amaterasu: "Pema Pera: the invitation is to switch from appearance to only the bare PRESENCE of appearance"
stevenaia Michinaga: ....reading
Paradise Tennant: just reading the log ..looks llike a wonderful starting point
Eos Amaterasu: appreciate -> appearance -> presence -> be-ing
Paradise Tennant: simple but as Pema says the practice for a life time
Eos Amaterasu: true - I love those kind of simple things, that reach deep down
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, refinement if an idea is never ending
stevenaia Michinaga: although seeing being is an individual perspective
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: I love that shared perspective of a single idea, like each of us looking at the fountain, we all see it yet each from a different perspective, the fountain looks back from a single point
Eos Amaterasu: yes, and it is still adorned with its pink tutu
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: like seeing being and being looks back
stevenaia Michinaga: it calls to me
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Paradise Tennant: ;)
stevenaia Michinaga: (claims log)
Eos Amaterasu: logging Being
Paradise Tennant: i see a pink lily blossom :)
Paradise Tennant: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: oh good, tonight my text is included
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: makes you feel more real
Pila Mulligan: log looking back :)
Eos Amaterasu: proof you exist
stevenaia Michinaga: seems soemthing called a "listener" (program I assume) is attached to each of us, except me on Sunday
Pila Mulligan: yes, interesting glitch
stevenaia Michinaga: must have been dressed in listenerproof suit
Eos Amaterasu: ?
Pila Mulligan: are tech glitches subject to the inflence of thought alone?
stevenaia Michinaga: Eos, on my sunday the log , it recoreded everyone but me
Eos Amaterasu: Oh, weird!
stevenaia Michinaga: when I atempted to edit it i relalized my voice (of sorts) was completely missing
Pila Mulligan: but you found another copy?
stevenaia Michinaga: wol is still scratching his head
Pila Mulligan: (edit his maybe?)
stevenaia Michinaga: I had my own log as I daddn;t closed my window
stevenaia Michinaga: didn't
Pila Mulligan: lucky you, Steve
Paradise Tennant: :)
Pila Mulligan: how could you reconsturct a whole session
Pila Mulligan: otherwise
Paradise Tennant: how hard it is to do .. the editing and posting ..tomorrow is my first session
stevenaia Michinaga: begs the question, if you weren;t in the log (recorded), were you there
Pila Mulligan: it is ont bad, Paradise
Paradise Tennant: do not really know how
Pila Mulligan: I'll help if needed
Eos Amaterasu: pretty easy:
Paradise Tennant: one hand clapping
Eos Amaterasu: click the link you'll get in the email
stevenaia Michinaga: I should be back by the end of the session, I helped Fox do her 1st log in about 5 minutes
Eos Amaterasu: at the web page that takes you to, select everything, copy
Eos Amaterasu: and paste into a text editor
Eos Amaterasu: where you can edit it
Eos Amaterasu: then go to the September page, clickENW page, etc
Pila Mulligan: eNW= NEW :)
stevenaia Michinaga: i usually click the when claimed, it;ll be emprty at first, then jsut refresh the link in your browser when you are done and it fills with the log
stevenaia Michinaga: the log
Eos Amaterasu: cool
stevenaia Michinaga: the sublties of editing come when you have time, adding pictures, linking weblinks
Paradise Tennant: okies making a notecard
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: there are instuctions on the wiki
Pila Mulligan: are you on the schedule onw Paradise, or fillingin for someone?
stevenaia Michinaga: but initially being lead makes it asy
stevenaia Michinaga: easy
stevenaia Michinaga: you can always go back and edit it later
Paradise Tennant: yes thursday nights at 7
Pila Mulligan: cool
Paradise Tennant: kk
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Sylectra got a new job and crashes earlier
Paradise Tennant: nods
Paradise Tennant: well was thinking it would be intersting to talk about the benefits of silence :)
Pila Mulligan: nice topic
Paradise Tennant: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: I tend to resolve much in silence
Paradise Tennant: well it can help you side step distraction .. appreciate being
Pila Mulligan: yep, quiet can nourish the mind
Paradise Tennant: eckart tolle wrote a lovely book called stillness speaks ..
Eos Amaterasu: quiet is where stuff comes from
stevenaia Michinaga: it jsut seems to drift away into the void, then filling up with silence
Eos Amaterasu: is silence presence?
Paradise Tennant: hmm yes
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: let's appreciate the presence of silence
Paradise Tennant: well prescence is prescence but I think silence .. helps
Paradise Tennant: we are silent :)
Eos Amaterasu: wow - silence is my silence, and everything is more vivid there
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Pila Mulligan: once upon a time a guru in India died and his student was full of grief, wailing and weeping beside a river -- then a dead body floating in the river drifted close to shore -- he recognized it was his guru and then the guru stood up and looked at him -- the student was awe struck -- the guru said, please, contain yourself, you have nearly extinguished me in the nether with the turbulence of your thoughts, and the guru feel dead back into the river and floated away
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Pila Mulligan: quiet supports spirit
Eos Amaterasu: including your own
Pila Mulligan: yep
Eos Amaterasu: quiet can be in every act
Paradise Tennant: yes
Eos Amaterasu: like the tread of a tiger :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: looking for that reference
Pila Mulligan: quiet can also reveal the nature of a place - such as the rsutlig of leaves in a forest or the sound of an ocean
Pila Mulligan: rustling*
Eos Amaterasu: you feel the space in the sound
Paradise Tennant: i think silence also supports space .. sometimes I think our incessant chatter both verbal and mental .. makes our lives narrow constricted with the repeatition ..of the mundane
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Pila Mulligan: I agree, words have veloicty and inertia
Eos Amaterasu: we play commercials of ourselves, selling ourselves to ourselves
Pila Mulligan: we try to keep up and they take us with them
Paradise Tennant: walked by a sign this week on church a quote from conrad to the effect words are a path away from reality
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eos Amaterasu: "do not search for the truth; only cease to cherish opinions"
Paradise Tennant: :))
Pila Mulligan:

"In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired. In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped. "
Tao Te Ching, verse 48

Paradise Tennant: yes we cherish our opinions and not the letting go .. when the latter is freedom
Paradise Tennant: of sorts
Pila Mulligan: so what is the practice that gives us the grace of quiet being?
Pila Mulligan: answer: anytihng :)
Pila Mulligan: anything that works thatis
Pila Mulligan: fishing included
Paradise Tennant: hmm washing floors ..lol which I have to do very soon .. because company is coming ..
Eos Amaterasu: ah, but we always try to escape things
Paradise Tennant: we try to escape the present we run to the future .. dally in the past
Pila Mulligan: the busy mind does try to escape, Eos
stevenaia Michinaga: even washing floors is a time to mditate
Eos Amaterasu: it cannot stay with the one, so it tries to escape the many
Pila Mulligan: but a good floor washer or a good fisherperson can ignore the busy mind
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: except it escapes from many to many
Paradise Tennant: escapes from many to many ?
Pila Mulligan: turbulence :)
Pila Mulligan: the antithesis of quiet
Eos Amaterasu: but touching anything with pure openness dissolves it
Eos Amaterasu: and your finger :-)
Paradise Tennant: looks at her fingers
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Eos Amaterasu looks at his hands....
Eos Amaterasu wonders if he's dreaming
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: sighs .. and knows that even in this dream .. the floors will not wash themselves and the dog has even less inclination :)) going to have to scoot :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Pila Mulligan: bye Paradise,have fun
stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.mountainman.com.au/hsinhsin.html
stevenaia Michinaga: your poem, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: f you wish to move in the One Way do not dislike even the world of senses and ideas.
Eos Amaterasu: If
Paradise Tennant: great poem ..makes another notecard
Paradise Tennant: and quietly poof .. good night all :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s always in the log, Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: Yes. I used to read a slightly different trans
stevenaia Michinaga: unfortunaltely I must go now as well, much to do tonight
Eos Amaterasu: It 's bit like some writing by Dogen (and also by Jerry Garcia)
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you gentlemen, always a pleasure
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao! I'll also head for the zeds
Eos Amaterasu: zzzzz's
Eos Amaterasu: good night, steve, pila, para