2009.09.16 13:00 - Slip Slidin' Wu-Wei

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

    Gathering together. It's nice for me to see all the guys, after some time i haven't visited the second life.

    Fefonz Quan: hey fox
    Wol Euler: hello fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: HEY wol1
    Fefonz Quan: !
    Wol Euler: ! to you too :)
    Fefonz Quan: good to see you
    Wol Euler: likewise. How's the world?
    Fefonz Quan: not so bad i must say :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Wol, and Hi Fef...Nice to see you after so long :)
    Wol Euler: I hear it rained in TLV :)
    Fefonz Quan: hey Lisa
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    Fefonz Quan: i didn't see it...
    Fefonz Quan: I got a new job though
    Wol Euler grins
    Wol Euler: oh congratulations
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, Congrats!!
    Fefonz Quan: thanks! landed here 2 weeks ago, went on a search, and signed it yesterday
    Wol Euler: excellent.
    Eliza Madrigal: fantastic, very quick.
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Wol Euler: hello yakuzza
    Fefonz Quan: do hope to still have time visit here. didn't do it much lately and miss it
    Fefonz Quan: hey yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes me too Fef. I hope you're able to carve out time
    Wol Euler: agreed, I hope you'll continue to attend
    Fefonz Quan: it is a little weird, coming back to career life. yesterday a set on the lobby of a high-tech company and read TSK while waiting for the HR manager :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: A new environment to play in
    Wol Euler: mmmhmm
    Wol Euler: lots of fresh Being to be
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fefonz Quan: exactley.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what did you do in princton ?
    Fefonz Quan: spent 2 years there for my wife's post-doc. and also last year had an office in Pema's departmet!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Which is how you found us? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    Fefonz Quan: yep
    Fefonz Quan: guess many of us started with 'then pema asked me if....'
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Fefonz Quan: Wol, is there still avtivity with the lands here that were discussed in the mail group? i was quite out fo touch for WEEK
    Fefonz Quan: ACTIVITY*
    Wol Euler: we've bought a month to think about it.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey shy
    Fefonz Quan: great
    Wol Euler: right now, it looks like we might be able to keep both Buyeo and Mugunghwa in friendly hands
    Wol Euler: hello shyama
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyama :)Nice to see you again
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi all :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Shyama
    Fefonz Quan: Mugunghwa has a wonderful sound to it
    Wol Euler: it's a great place too, lovely coastal landscape.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, very nice :)
    Wol Euler: were you thinking of joining us?
    Fefonz Quan: are you talking to me?
    Wol Euler: yes, I was.
    Eliza Madrigal: HI Ara :)
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi arabella
    Fefonz Quan: i think i wrote you that i would love to join as support, and give my share, but without te need to look after the land itself
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Ara!
    Eliza Madrigal: Sartre, Hello :)
    arabella Ella: Hey Fefonz lovely to see you are back!
    Fefonz Quan: hello sartre
    Fefonz Quan: :)) thanks
    Wol Euler: sorry, I didn't remember. My cold and the stress of work between them are mangling my mental powers
    Eliza Madrigal: (Hi Fox!)
    Fox Monacular: Hi everyone
    arabella Ella whispers ... Hiya Fox
    Wol Euler: hello fox
    Wol Euler: I'd been watching you out there, I was about to IM you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara,fox
    Fox Monacular: I was away:)
    Fefonz Quan: hey Fox

    The time workshop and time experience are coming up. A favorite, a you know.

    Eliza Madrigal: Fef, with your new hours do you think you'll continue Time workshop?
    Fefonz Quan: i hope so, it is 9pm for me, so it is feasible
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so it depends on energy levels more than hour now
    Fefonz Quan: (even was there today)
    Fefonz Quan: yes exactly.
    Eliza Madrigal: I started to attend today... arrived right on the hour I think... but rememebered things I needed to do
    Eliza Madrigal: and had been online for my session
    Fefonz Quan: oh, i didn't see you
    Eliza Madrigal: missed each other... wasn't sure you were able to be there :)
    Fefonz Quan: Lia and maxine came too
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)

    And Wu-Wei too.

    Eliza Madrigal: I've been thinking the wu-wei discussion we have been in lately has to do with time...
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Eliza Madrigal: that might be an interesting angle
    arabella Ella listens
    Wol Euler: oh, I see :)
    Eliza Madrigal: When we are living harmoniously or are in tune... isn't it the flow of time we are experiecing as friendly?
    arabella Ella: interesting aspect Eliza please could you say more?
    Eliza Madrigal: when we experience ourselves to be 'in the moment' etc?
    Eliza Madrigal: That's about what I have to offer Ara... turning it over :)
    arabella Ella: very interesting
    arabella Ella: sounds like wu wei could have a number of different applications or angles
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... maybe we can look at it in a number of ways
    arabella Ella: i am sure we can as
    arabella Ella: wu wei involves change too it seems ... from that which i understood
    arabella Ella: and time involves change too
    Eliza Madrigal nods...yes...how we experience change mostly...?
    Wol Euler: mick, you're ruthed :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ruthed Mick! :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi mick
    Eliza Madrigal wonders what Ya is writing

    arabella Ella: i get the feeling that wu wei involves the concept of the inevitability of change ... and acceptance of that inevitability too
    Mickorod Renard: phew,,that was hard work
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh dear
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Mick
    arabella Ella: what's ruthed Wol?
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaa,,,fonzy
    Wol Euler: Ruth is the ur-avatar, our common virtual genetic grandmother
    Fefonz Quan: you look different thsn remembered
    Wol Euler: when the databsase gets really messed up, we present in a female body wearing default hair and clothes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pila!
    arabella Ella: ah
    Fefonz Quan: hey Pila
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Pila
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    Fox Monacular: Hi Pila, hi Mick
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi pila
    Mickorod Renard: I will log in and out
    arabella Ella: and how does that happen Wol do you know?
    Fox Monacular: nice outfit, Micj
    Fox Monacular: Mick
    arabella Ella: Hiya Pila
    Wol Euler: well, there are at least a dozen databases and maybe twice that many computesr involved in presenting us all here, excluding our own computers at home
    Fefonz Quan: So how comes Mick was rithed and Pila didn't?
    Wol Euler: any one of them can foul things up for the rest of the chain
    Wol Euler: perhaps Mick and Pila are on different servers
    arabella Ella: ah
    Wol Euler: wb mick
    Fefonz Quan: at least he was not rickrolled...
    Eliza Madrigal: There's Mick!
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Wol Euler: looking better, Mick.
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Mickorod Renard: ty,,the sex change was all very refreshing
    Wol Euler grins
    Eliza Madrigal grins... for us too
    arabella Ella: Mick I told you not to borrow my tops :)
    Wol Euler: try it, you'll like it.
    Pila Mulligan: made me nervous
    Fefonz Quan: btw mick, you still ear a strange white blouse
    Fefonz Quan: wear*
    arabella Ella giggles silently
    Mickorod Renard: he he ..still struggling
    Mickorod Renard: I must remember to shave my chest next time
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: nice tats, mick.
    Pila Mulligan wonders if Yak is writing an essay
    Eliza Madrigal: War and Peace 2
    arabella Ella: i think Yaku is afk as I IM d him to tell him but got no response
    Pila Mulligan: it is interesting that we wait patinently to hear what he will say

    And the RL retreat comes up again, a recently hot item. Not surprising i would say. I still miss it when i have the time to ponder

    between the busy tasks and schedule i run here.

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Fef...haven't had a chance to ask you about your retreat experience
    Eliza Madrigal: Guess not
    Eliza Madrigal: hahha
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Fox Monacular: :)
    arabella Ella: Pila he has been typing for 15 - 20 mins now so i guess Yaku is stuck in an anim
    Eliza Madrigal giggles.... I can have that affect on people
    Pila Mulligan: it seems so arabella
    Fefonz Quan: well, it was great, but i guess i'll bore everyone if i chitchat abot it again
    Pila Mulligan: not at all Fefonz
    Eliza Madrigal: yes it is nice to hear from everyone
    Fefonz Quan: it seems so far away now...
    arabella Ella: yes Fef would love to hear more about retreat from you
    Pila Mulligan: wb Yak
    Wol Euler: ah, wb yak
    Mickorod Renard: I havnt heard your angle on it yet Fef
    Fefonz Quan: wb yak
    Fefonz Quan: the nice woods, the great atmosphere, the long silent minutes.ours of contemplation
    Fefonz Quan: hours*
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Fefonz Quan: and the occasion cheerful talks at the meal table
    Wol Euler smiles
    Mickorod Renard: I heard the meals were good
    Pila Mulligan: (with reportedly excellent food too)
    Fefonz Quan: and genesis's great Yoga classes
    arabella Ella: if I may ask on a positive note what did you find most surprising?
    Pila Mulligan: was it hatha yoga, Fefonz/
    Pila Mulligan: ?
    Mickorod Renard: and I heard the dreams were good?..were they for you too?
    Fefonz Quan: not sure Mick, i dream all the time
    Fefonz Quan: (at night :))
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Fefonz Quan: Einger i think Pila
    Pila Mulligan: thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: Some mentioned that they seemed to have more alive dreaming in that setting :)
    Fefonz Quan: surprising?.... i am not sure.
    arabella Ella: does that mean many surprises or no surprises :)
    arabella Ella: (perhaps I should have said - most long lasting impression?)
    Fefonz Quan: well, since i didn't spend a lot of time'imagining' how it would be, maybe surprise wasa not the right word for it
    arabella Ella: ah
    Pila Mulligan: hello Reuth
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Reuth
    Reuth Luik: hello
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi reuth
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Reuth
    Fefonz Quan: long lasting impression - that the RL meeting, though rooted in the SL aquantanice, was so different, so close and multi-layered
    arabella Ella: Hiya Reuth
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Reuth
    arabella Ella: :)
    Reuth Luik: he hey to everybody!
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you normally go on retreats, Fefonz, or was this new for you
    arabella Ella: lovely way of putting it Fefonz
    Mickorod Renard: sounds lovely Fef
    Fefonz Quan: it was the firstPaB retreat for me :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: sry, i must leave, goodnight all :)
    Pila Mulligan: goldwing, greeetings
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi goldwing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night shy
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Shy, good to see you :)
    Wol Euler: welcome to second life, goldwing! born today.
    Pila Mulligan: bue Shyama
    Mickorod Renard: bye shy
    Wol Euler: bye shyama
    Fefonz Quan: Did went to several retreats Eliza, meditation/buddhist ones, as well as other workshops
    Fefonz Quan: bye Shyama
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that's what I wondered :) thanks
    Reuth Luik: may i ask what are you all gujs doing here?
    Fefonz Quan: ello goldwing. have you been here before?
    Pila Mulligan: just chatting
    goldwing Rallier: no forst time
    goldwing Rallier: brb
    Wol Euler: we are a meditation group, we meet here to discuss our practices and matters arising.
    Wol Euler: ATM we are talking about a meeting in RL last month
    Reuth Luik: wow did you met on real life too?
    Wol Euler: some of us, yes. And another retreat is being planned for January
    Fefonz Quan: Reuth and Goldwing, since we record our discussions here and put it on a website, we need to ask your permission to quote your lines too
    Reuth Luik: sure mo problem
    Eliza Madrigal: Good to see everyone :) I need to go, Bye for now
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eliza
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
    Fefonz Quan: Bye Eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
    arabella Ella: bye Eliza
    Fefonz Quan: good to see you
    Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza
    Pila Mulligan: thanks for the comments and information, Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: no problem Pila. it is nice to get the memories up too :)\
    Pila Mulligan: next year in Malta :)
    Fefonz Quan: yey!
    arabella Ella: and Fef I dont think any of us ever get bored listening to stuff about the retreat :)
    Wol Euler: true
    arabella Ella: yea Malta ...
    arabella Ella: i cant promise woods here though ...
    Fefonz Quan: and i didn't mention the inspiring guidance of Pema (with Stim spicing)
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: i am looking into costings at the moment
    arabella Ella: and location
    Mickorod Renard: I am not sure I can escape work for the malta date
    Fefonz Quan: coasting? :)
    arabella Ella: owwwww
    arabella Ella: prices Fef
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is there already a fixed date for malta ?
    arabella Ella: yes
    Fefonz Quan: what date Ara?
    arabella Ella: last week of January - dont have exact dates here but it is four nights, three days
    Wol Euler makes a note
    Fefonz Quan: ?
    arabella Ella: :)
    Fefonz Quan: 4 nights, three days? coming at night, leaving in the morning?
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: if you wish Fef ... or stay on longer
    arabella Ella: i mean arrive one day
    arabella Ella: have following three full days retreat
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    arabella Ella: then leave last evening or next morning
    arabella Ella hopes that makes some sense :)
    Fefonz Quan: ah, cool
    Pila Mulligan: easier than five nights and three days
    Mickorod Renard: would it be too confusing if I arrived on an afternoon?
    arabella Ella: i guess all are free to arrive anytime
    Pila Mulligan: by the way, it appears you can register any avi name at all, including your real life name, on the Opensim grids -- anyone want to be Genghis Kahn?
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: but only one name per e-mail address :) they don'T believe in alts.
    Pila Mulligan: Khan*
    Yakuzza Lethecus: counts the OSgrid account for all opensim grids ?
    arabella Ella: but Wol so many of us have multiple email addresses - sure it is not IP number?
    arabella Ella has four email addresses
    Pila Mulligan: it seems not Yak -- each grid has its own names
    Wol Euler: nope, they specifically said "that e-mail adress is in use" when I tried to register my other selves
    arabella Ella: so Wol ... if you need more names just open new hotmail or gmail accounts ... easy
    Reuth Luik: by everyone
    Wol Euler: that's what I did :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: bye reuth, take care
    Mickorod Renard: bye reuth
    Fefonz Quan: bye reuth
    Reuth Luik: have a nice time here!
    arabella Ella: bye Reuth
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye reuth
    Pila Mulligan: bye Reuth
    Pila Mulligan: yep, I did the same -- severa alts
    Pila Mulligan: several emails
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, i have to thing about bayreuth :)
    arabella Ella: If I may ask Wol ... do you manage to keep track of all the logins and PWs?
    Wol Euler: easy, I have a Mac. It just works.
    Fefonz Quan: hehe Yaku :)
    Wol Euler grins
    arabella Ella: cool
    arabella Ella: a colleague also told me Mac does not get viruses ... is that right?
    Wol Euler: they are much safer as delivered from the factory, yes.
    arabella Ella: cos i recently had a 'trojan' ... sounds so bad
    Fefonz Quan: i will have to go to sleep, hope i'll get the log link later.
    Pila Mulligan: it can be abd Ara
    Wol Euler: but behaving foolishly can get you in trouble on a Mac too.
    Pila Mulligan: bad*
    arabella Ella: nite Fef lovely to see you
    Wol Euler: bye fef, take care. happy working!
    Pila Mulligan: bye Fefonz, nice to see you again
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye fef
    Mickorod Renard: nite Fef
    Fefonz Quan: Bye all, great seeing you again, hope to meet soon
    Fefonz Quan: namaste
    arabella Ella: thing is the trojan is transmitted via email with attachments posturing as photos from friends i know
    Pila Mulligan: namaste
    arabella Ella: but it says Foto ... so that is now a giveaway
    Wol Euler: right
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the amount of viruses decreases with the use of systems, linux for example also got viruses but there are so many distroֲ´s out...
    arabella Ella: yes
    Wol Euler: a certain amount of suspicion and distrust is necessary ;)
    arabella Ella hates suspicion and distrust
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler: me too, but it beats rebuilding your computer.
    Pila Mulligan: maybe prudent caution :)
    arabella Ella: yes
    Wol Euler: yes, nicely said pila
    arabella Ella: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think most of my playasbeing emails went into the spamfilter until i noticed that i got mailes from the group :)
    Pila Mulligan: like my response to mick's earlier avi -- what is this now?
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: diplomatic i see
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Pila Mulligan: anyone want to play with Pila's new tai chi pose balls?
    Wol Euler grins
    Pila Mulligan: quite fun -- syndhornized
    Pila Mulligan: sycnhronized*
    Mickorod Renard: well thats an offer hard to refuse
    Wol Euler: sure-
    arabella Ella: yes please Pila
    Pila Mulligan: it is on the oposite corner of this sim
    arabella Ella: thanks Pila
    Pila Mulligan: up up and away ... :)
    arabella Ella: may we have a look now if you dont mind?
    Fox Monacular: ghbors now
    Pila Mulligan: yes, please
    Wol Euler: let's go.
    arabella Ella: great ty
    arabella Ella: c u there then
    Fox Monacular: thanks Pila, we're neighbors now
    Wol Euler: this way

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