2009.07.07 07:00 - an intellectual addiction

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: what do you have there
Yakuzza Lethecus: so how are you today ?
Riddle Sideways: ahh green tea
Yakuzza Lethecus: i got that from stargate
Riddle Sideways: in my graphics card it is sooooo steamy and glowy
Riddle Sideways: like drinking the steam of magical powers
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe
Riddle Sideways: ty
Yakuzza Lethecus: this isn´t that hot
Riddle Sideways: seems not to be tooo hot
Riddle Sideways: but not toooo cold
Riddle Sideways: Just Right
Yakuzza Lethecus: pema is flying around here ?
Riddle Sideways: oh dear
Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a golden arrow on my minimap ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: now the arrow left
Yakuzza Lethecus: i wasn´t even going to be here i just logged off at the 1 am session :)
Riddle Sideways: my main map only shows one of us here??
Yakuzza Lethecus: now yes
Riddle Sideways: you are still here from the 1am?
Yakuzza Lethecus: no, i just spawn where i logged of
Yakuzza Lethecus: f
Riddle Sideways: last year (about this time) we had a session which did last the 6+ hours
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
Riddle Sideways: right from one start to another
Yakuzza Lethecus: Have you used other virtual worlds before sl ?
Riddle Sideways: yes, several
Riddle Sideways: for years I have wanted VR to work
Riddle Sideways: and have watched it develop
Riddle Sideways: visited long lists of very interesting worlds
Yakuzza Lethecus: which onces, i don´t know other then second life
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least no vw with a communication purpose
Yakuzza Lethecus: obviously all mmogs are virtual worlds
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i never played things like world of warcract
Riddle Sideways: http://network.associationofvirtualworlds.com is a link to a list of worlds
Riddle Sideways: no need to join them, just look
Riddle Sideways: I have been warned to stay away rom WOW
Riddle Sideways: it is a time vampire
Riddle Sideways: besides I never really got into the fantasy worlds either
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, i try to develop an intellectual addiction :)
Riddle Sideways: not a DND player (Dungions and Dragons)
Yakuzza Lethecus: doesn´t work that well so far
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
Riddle Sideways: oo that would be a nice adiction
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s interesting i met a few ppl who did DnD in real life
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i also never got used to it or bought such a rulebook
Riddle Sideways: yes, years before VR/VW those DND people were living in a shared virtual mental world
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am always impressed by the arts in those games
Riddle Sideways: last week I was going through some old books I have
Yakuzza Lethecus: but to go in it just to level up ur character...
Riddle Sideways: and found an old book about the holigraphic universe
Riddle Sideways: an old bookmark looks like I only made it halfway
Riddle Sideways: probably could not get intellilally adicted in it
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Riddle and Yakuzza :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi ya Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Please continue :) What's the topic?
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, let me see...
Riddle Sideways: it was prolly virtual worlds/reality before the interent
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)
Riddle Sideways: DND had/has a huge following
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am afk for 10 minutes
Riddle Sideways: they (groupwise)had huge virtual worlds build up
Riddle Sideways: ok yak
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: DND?
Riddle Sideways: game named Dungions and Dragons
Gaya Ethaniel: ah that I've heard of it :)
Riddle Sideways hopes the GOC will correct my speeling :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Who's the GoC?
Riddle Sideways: me
Gaya Ethaniel giggles.
Riddle Sideways: in an old book I was just re-found there is description of hypontic trance group worlds
Riddle Sideways: a couple that over many sessions created/lived into a made up world
Gaya Ethaniel: Interesting ... what kind of worlds?
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Enclo :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Encio
Enclo Alter: Hi you all
Riddle Sideways: Encio, if you do not know about us, there is a postcard on that ball
Riddle Sideways: right behind you
Enclo Alter: Thank you
Riddle Sideways: this book "The Holigraphic Universe" was written years before the Matrix movie
Riddle Sideways: but talks about many different realities and how they are seen or seeing/making them
Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds really interesting ...
Riddle Sideways: by mostly loosenning our grasp on this reality
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm guessing the experiences in the book resemble lucid dreams?
Riddle Sideways: many do
Gaya Ethaniel: Do you have those experiences Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: at times
Riddle Sideways: good morning Pema
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Pema :)
Riddle Sideways: long time no chat
Gaya Ethaniel: Care to share Riddle?
Pema Pera: good morning Riddle!
Pema Pera: (evening for me, can stay only very briefly, just wanted to say hello :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Pema Pera: (I'm in Japan again, in Kyoto)
Riddle Sideways: "hello" :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: You know you are dreaming right?
Riddle Sideways wonders if your body every gets to know the proper time zone
Pema Pera: not really
Pema Pera: it's indeed like a dream
Pema Pera: like tide waters in between land and sea
Pema Pera: I actually enjoy that kind of jetlag :-)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Pema Pera: but not every week
Pema Pera: I once had 8 serious jetlags, more than 6 hours each, in 8 weeks, that was too much
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm asking Riddle about his experiences of lucid dreams in relation to the book he mentioned - Holographic Universe.
Riddle Sideways: when my kids were small and waking in middle of night, I experienced a lot of slepp deprevation
Riddle Sideways: it is not pretty
Riddle Sideways: I would not trust decisions made during that time
Pema Pera: lucid dreams are fun! Did you experiment with those, Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: some
Riddle Sideways: I have an off and on relation with dreams
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey pema
Riddle Sideways: Maxine and I have had chats off session
Pema Pera: hye Yak :-)
Gaya Ethaniel: brb - thundery showers, need to close up
Riddle Sideways: are lucid dreams always suppose to be like real life?
Pema Pera: I love thunder and lightning :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, I miss thunder and lighting
Pema Pera: oh, I think there are no restrictions, Riddle
Pema Pera: apart from our own conditionings
Pema Pera: yeah, not much lightning in California . . .
Riddle Sideways: I mostly have very vivid dreams of other worlds
Pema Pera: can you give an example?
Pema Pera: to give us a taste, an idea?
Pema Pera: in a nut shell?
Gaya Ethaniel: back
Riddle Sideways: wb
Gaya Ethaniel: ty :)
Riddle Sideways: most have to with living dayto day life in a place where my body is not like RL
Riddle Sideways: in environs of colors
Pema Pera: but still on Earth?
Riddle Sideways: no not often
Pema Pera: how interesting!
Riddle Sideways: weigh less often
Pema Pera: do you have legs or wings or is locomotion totally different?
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Riddle Sideways: again these difer widely
Gaya Ethaniel: oh my! Cal just jumped out of my body heheheh
Pema Pera: Hi Cal !
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Caledonia :)
Riddle Sideways: Cal, you were glowing/rezing more then the foutain
Caledonia Heron: so sorry :) poor pop-in :)
Pema Pera: Did you ever write them down systematically, Riddle, your dreams?
Gaya Ethaniel: It's lovely to see you Cal :)
Riddle Sideways: no, never have
Pema Pera: (instead of a rabit out of a hat, a Cal out of a rabbit!)
Caledonia Heron: nice to see you also Gaya :) hello everyone
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Caledonia Heron: LOL, good one Pema
Riddle Sideways: most sound crazy and I don't want to get caught :)
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm interested in hearing how you relate to the dreams during dreaming Riddle.
Pema Pera: you might be able to write them into a bundle of short stories, Sc.Fi. or otherwise -- just don't tell initially that they come from dreams!
Pema Pera: alas, I really should get some sleep, it's getting close to midnight here . . . .
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Pema :)
Pema Pera: sorry to stay only briefly
Riddle Sideways: ok nite Pema
Pema Pera: till next time!
Caledonia Heron: bye :)
Riddle Sideways: ummm, don't ya'll dream like I do?
Caledonia Heron: I'm off also, see you soon :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Cal :)
Riddle Sideways: ok, nice visit... cal gone
Gaya Ethaniel: Do you always know you're dreaming while dreaming? Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
Gaya Ethaniel: [It depends even during a dream.]
Riddle Sideways: have thought deep on that and I don't think I know it
Riddle Sideways: however, many times I think [right now/here] is a dream
Gaya Ethaniel: How does that compare to the dreams in terms of experiences?
Riddle Sideways: short answer=same
Riddle Sideways: long answer ....
Riddle Sideways: is about the funny feeling itis to be in RL
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Riddle Sideways: and the funny feeling of being in SL
Riddle Sideways: and the funny feeling of being in a dream
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Gaya Ethaniel: What is that feeling Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: some mentally is (semi) in control /directing / motivating
Riddle Sideways: moving a limited set of controls
Riddle Sideways: taking in limited input sensors
Riddle Sideways: but exploring
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Riddle Sideways: e.g. a brain/heart directs fingering to wiggle
Riddle Sideways: that seems to make a keyboard's keys bounce
Riddle Sideways: the eyes see these as input to a SL
Riddle Sideways: and receives your reactions
Gaya Ethaniel: Interacting in SL often feels like playing an instrument.
Riddle Sideways: well, RL/dream worlds seem like playing an instrument to me
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Gaya Ethaniel: Some part of [put your word here] is in RL and some in dream yet seems to be beyond RL/dream ... making sense?
Riddle Sideways: yes, there is a [need a word] place that is other
Gaya Ethaniel breathes a sigh of relief ... so I'm not crazy.
Riddle Sideways: oh yes, you are
Riddle Sideways: we are just sharing
Gaya Ethaniel laughs!
Riddle Sideways: as I see it, Gaya made me up
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: and I appreciate being brought into existance
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Riddle exists in my mind.
Riddle Sideways: or did Yak bring both of us
Riddle Sideways: when I first met Gaya last year, I had to make up an entire history
Gaya Ethaniel: From where does that history come from?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, maybe its all a dream and only i am real :P
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: not sure if Gaya gave it to me or our histories are what is needed for this act of the play
Riddle Sideways: you have many histories
Riddle Sideways: not all can be related out to us in this hour
Riddle Sideways: so which are needed/used
Gaya Ethaniel nods ... that data is required for our interaction to a certain degree ...
Riddle Sideways: this is that loosening of the dream boundaries that I(we?) strive for
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Gaya Ethaniel: I have become more comfortable having those experiences in RL.
Riddle Sideways: yes, it is sometimes best
Gaya Ethaniel: WIthin dreams, it feels 'normal'
Riddle Sideways: mostly, we should take our "normal" where ever we go
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Riddle Sideways: thinking of this version of RL/SL as a dream world is working for us
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes SL has been a big help in that.
Riddle Sideways: try it on like a new suit
Riddle Sideways: I have friends who would not think it odd that I have a long deep conversation about things that matter
Riddle Sideways: with a 5 foot rabbit
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: may I call you 'Harvey'
Gaya Ethaniel: Of course :)
Riddle Sideways: then again seeing G-d's presentation as a 5 foot rabbit works too
Gaya Ethaniel nods ...
Gaya Ethaniel: What is G-d ... hm ... it's a big question.
Yakuzza Lethecus: huh where is riddle gone ?
Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure, probably crashed.
Yakuzza Lethecus: and did you get some land from kira ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am just on a free account and i keep staying in that way for now
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Gaya Ethaniel: This account is free also :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: wol told me, that that land is given back anyway
Gaya Ethaniel: ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i understood it in that sense that that land is unused and just costs money
Yakuzza Lethecus: so they won´t keep it because there is no use an purpose
Yakuzza Lethecus: and that those 512 qm are free for every account to keep if its premium
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: but uninteresting for both of us anyway
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i never took any sessionspot so i wouldn´t have done anything for it anyway
Gaya Ethaniel: I don't think you need to host sessions in order to get guardian plots anyway.
Gaya Ethaniel: If you want a small land
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t want to
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: I have a feeling that Riddle had to go.
Gaya Ethaniel: I should get going too soon.
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day Yakuzza. Nice talking to you :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah i didn´t talk that much
Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks Riddle if you are reading this as log :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was even on the toilet half the session :P
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Gaya Ethaniel waves.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i ate something bad i guess
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Take care