2009.07.14 19:00 - Being in motion

   

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema

Pema Pera: Hi Eos!

Pema Pera: I enjoyed our conversation yesterday, around this time

Eos Amaterasu: Yes, there was some nice play there :-)

Pema Pera: and the way you brought up the need for attention for details while also seeing the total openness and ephemeral nature of everything

Pema Pera: a play?

Pema Pera: Hi Sophia!

Eos Amaterasu: Interchanges...

SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema, Hi Eos

Eos Amaterasu: Hi SophiaSharon

Pema Pera: did you reach any further conclusions or new questions?

Eos Amaterasu: I've been punctuating myself as much as possible with the 1% tax :-)

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Pema Pera: how has that been going, the punctuating?

SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pila

Pema Pera: Hi Pila!

Pila Mulligan: greetings

Eos Amaterasu: It's something we owe the world :-)

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pila

Pema Pera: nice way to put it, Eos, the new global tax!

Eos Amaterasu: Could be of more benefit than money

SophiaSharon talks about Letting Being See

SophiaSharon Larnia: i've been making mandalas and trying to do it by letting being see :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: and not htink

SophiaSharon Larnia: think*

Eos Amaterasu: 3D SL mandalas?

SophiaSharon Larnia: not yet, am looking into the software, mainly graphic on comp, is hard to do that way, ive used pencils

Pila Mulligan: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: and some paint in the past

Pema Pera: how did that go, Sophia, how did that feel, the Being seeing part?

SophiaSharon Larnia: it is hard for me to say, i feel like i trance out

SophiaSharon Larnia: need a way to do it without that

Pila Mulligan: breathing

Pila Mulligan: less eyes more breath

Pema Pera: yes, Eos talked about that yesterday, the need to keep attending to details while also becoming open for the larger picture.

Breathing and light

Pema Pera: and breathing is a good way to help balance those two!

SophiaSharon Larnia smiles, am thinking of an active activity i can do while staying attentive

SophiaSharon Larnia: breathing is good :)

Pila Mulligan: mandala drawing sounds like a nice idea

Eos Amaterasu: circulation

Eos Amaterasu: the senses are like easter eggs for being, not just objects of senses but being in them

SophiaSharon Larnia laughs at the imagine of attempting to make mandalas on laptop while doing tai chi

Pila Mulligan: there's an old akido sensei on Maui, he must be over 90 by now, he demonstrtaes his breathing practice for his students and at their demonstrations -- when he does he fills the room with bright light and energy -- not trances or lethargy there :)

Pila Mulligan: energuzed!

Pila Mulligan: i*

SophiaSharon Larnia: wow

SophiaSharon Larnia: and you sense this clearly

Pila Mulligan: do you do tai chi Sophiasharon?

Pila Mulligan: oh, yes, you cannot hlpe but see it, hear it and feel it

SophiaSharon Larnia: no i havent had the patience for it in the past

Pila Mulligan: his abdomen moves like a bellow, his breath sounds like a wind, and the room really tingles with energy -- he is showing off

SophiaSharon Larnia: can feel this changing though

Pila Mulligan: like a really beautiful woman, showing off real beauty

SophiaSharon Larnia: have worried that my energy was too 'chaotic' for lack of a better word, to subject this energy on other people in a group setting, and not disciplined on my own.

Pema Pera: brb

Eos Amaterasu: Do you put that chaos, or find it, in your visual work?

Pema Pera: b

SophiaSharon Larnia: and does he remain awake and conversant?

SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Pema

Pila Mulligan: very

Pila Mulligan: hmm, he's 95 now -- http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=278

Pila Mulligan: bad math, 92

SophiaSharon Larnia smiles

SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Sophia

sophia Placebo: greetings all

SophiaSharon Larnia: brb

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Pema Pera: Hi Sophia!

Pila Mulligan: hi sophia

Listening and Playing

Eos Amaterasu: I just came from an amazing jazz/improv performance, drums/guitars/strings/winds, called "Spontaneous Combustion"

Pila Mulligan: sounds like fun

Pila Mulligan: were you playing?

Eos Amaterasu: silence and listening and sounds and rhythm, crescendos and quiet

Eos Amaterasu: no.... it had a quality of loose, attentive, "disciplined", free

Eos Amaterasu: the drummer, who organized it, is kind of Milarepa on the drums, and in the spaces

Pila Mulligan: Paradise was talking here the other day about jam sessions where musicians from SL get together to play in rl, after having first met on SL

SophiaSharon Larnia: b

Eos Amaterasu: Music manifests something out of nothing, seemingly

Eos Amaterasu: Ideally so does conversation :-)

sophia Placebo: sneaking out quietly

Pila Mulligan: bye sophia

Pila Mulligan: truly, Eos, but ordinary music seems more magic than ordinary conversations

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye sophia

Pema Pera: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: it's lovely how those kind of experiences stay with you for a days

Walking and driving

Pila Mulligan: do oyou like walking Sophishaorn? Eos has a conemptlative walking exercise

SophiaSharon Larnia: i have started to, on Pema recommendation

SophiaSharon Larnia: i spend a bit of time on my feet, so was reluctant at first

Pila Mulligan: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: what can i say, lazy maybe 

Pila Mulligan: thinking of an activity that can also be attentive

Eos Amaterasu: I think it was Fefonz who said he did a slow walking meditation

Pila Mulligan: but don't yuo walk to a contemplative place near your home also, Eos

Pema Pera: there are many ways, and it is good to explore and experiment to see what really pulls you

Eos Amaterasu: That could be a PaB script, to do slow walking in a circle as we converse

Pila Mulligan: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: i was driving home from work the other day, on an interstae in morning rush hour traffic, and had the feeling that I am a cell in the artery of the world

Pila Mulligan: the dervish dancing

Eos Amaterasu: your view woiuld keep slowly changing

SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Eos

Pila Mulligan: sounds like a professioally inspried simile

Eos Amaterasu: SL offers options like that

Eos Amaterasu: Maybe Storm or Wol Could script it

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, but to see the lines of traffic, moving at 80 miles and hour

SophiaSharon Larnia: an*

Eos Amaterasu: It occured to me today that doing the 9 secs while driving

SophiaSharon Larnia: all depend on each other to NOT make a mistake

Pila Mulligan: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: oh Eos?

Eos Amaterasu: can actually make it more awake

Eos Amaterasu: cause you have to be awake while driving (at least city driving)

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i think maybe force you stay attentive

SophiaSharon Larnia: to stay*

Eos Amaterasu: I had such a little experience today

Eos Amaterasu: the 9 secs during activity can be very, um, illuminating

Pila Mulligan: care to say more, Eos?

Pema Pera: Can you say more about that, Eos?

Pema Pera: :)

Eos Amaterasu: activity seems to be a thread here: breathing (in, out, and yourself somwhat going in, out)

Eos Amaterasu: mandala has qualities of circulation, of arranged but also dynamic, even chaotic, energies

Eos Amaterasu: walking, on the earth, through your "Views"

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i hope to be able to touch the part of me that bneeds to communicate

Eos Amaterasu: there's a kind of active inhabiting

SophiaSharon Larnia: or show

SophiaSharon Larnia: but is it me? or something else

Eos Amaterasu: Yes - thanks for sharing your chakras work, btw

Pema Pera: yes, it has qualities that we normally associated with being active and with being passive -- the no-friction of passive combined with the movement of active

Pema Pera: (<- Eos)

Pema Pera: Perhaps it is both you and something larger than what you think you are

Pila Mulligan: what else might it be SophiaSharon?

Sharing the Stream

SophiaSharon Larnia: i think of it like a stream

SophiaSharon Larnia is more conscious of her lack of education in the discussions at PaB

SophiaSharon Larnia: a stream that we are all 'plugged' into, sometimes more than others

SophiaSharon Larnia: so it is not just me

Pila Mulligan: being educated in the fine details of contemplative practices may not be really important for many people

Pema Pera: :) perhaps we all are the stream . . . and there may be no need to (try to) plug in -- as soon as we see that, there is no need to do (reach, manipulate) anything further; seeing is enough

SophiaSharon Larnia: ok if seeing is enough, then what do you direct your attention to then?

Pila Mulligan: nothing!

Pema Pera: there is no need to direct

Pila Mulligan: sorry if it seems a cheap response :)

Pema Pera: but true :)

Pema Pera: truth is simple

Pema Pera: has to bee

Pema Pera: *be

SophiaSharon Larnia: then why stay attentive

Pema Pera: the more you see, the more you naturally stay attentive as well

Pila Mulligan: so you don't get drowsy

SophiaSharon Larnia: i really want to know

Pema Pera: not in order to reach something, but to celebrate being alive, natural

SophiaSharon Larnia: so to direct is to ecape living

SophiaSharon Larnia: ?

Eos Amaterasu: in a way to direct may be attempting to manipulate living

SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm

Eos Amaterasu: but your attention is already directed, but things coming up, (in colors everywhere :-)

Eos Amaterasu: by* things coming up

Pila Mulligan: you know how your hand or foot feels when it 'goes to sleep' (in the english idiom)

SophiaSharon Larnia: my absorb, not attend, i thought that was my difficulty

SophiaSharon Larnia: I* absorb

Pila Mulligan: and you kind of rub or shake it and the usual feeling returns

SophiaSharon Larnia: yup

Eos Amaterasu: I noticed today that while I may be letting go, things keep happening, welling up

Pila Mulligan: well, that is a fair analogy for being attentive -- not directing your atention but having it

Eos Amaterasu: attention _is_ them

Pila Mulligan: having the usual, nautral feeling

Pema Pera: there are always two ways to answer those questions, Sophia, and we should do both -- in practical terms, yes, we do things for goals, and that is fine: switch on a light to make a room bright -- but at the same time we can also view everything in a more fundamental way: the light switch wants to be turned on when the time is right, it is a kind of celebration of the right thing to do, at each moment

SophiaSharon Larnia: thinks

SophiaSharon Larnia: ive noticed this too, Eos, that letting go other things come up

Pema Pera: so when PIla answered "nothing" he was addressing the ultimate view, and when he said "so you don't get drowsy" he was talking in every-day terms -- we should use both languages

Pema Pera: the ultimate view also accomodates the every-day way of viewing things

Pila Mulligan: the greater part of most people's waking time is contained in a pretty consistent mundane condition -- it is human nautre almost not to notice it

Pila Mulligan: but that too is being, and worthy of appreciation

SophiaSharon Larnia: i think this is something i should let go, try to wear more lightly, because i am hearing this to loudly right now

Pila Mulligan: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Pile :))

SophiaSharon Larnia: Pila*

Pema Pera: time to go, great talking with all of you, thanks for sharing so many explorations and experiences!

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema :)

Pila Mulligan: bye Pema-san

Eos Amaterasu: Bye Pema!

SophiaSharon Larnia: i need to go too, i feel like everytime i come here i crash the session lol

Eos Amaterasu: Oh, not at all, Sophia!

SophiaSharon Larnia laughs

SophiaSharon Larnia: take care Eos, Pila :))

Eos Amaterasu: Ciao ciao!

Pila Mulligan: bye Sophiahsaron

Eos Amaterasu: Pila ,when you were talking about the room turning bright, a line a friend of mine wrote came to mind:

Eos Amaterasu: "the room is empty the room is full of light the room is empty the room is full of light"

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: http://www.shambhala.org/member/zim/welcome.html

Pila Mulligan: and a freind here also said you never really close your eyes :)

Eos Amaterasu: just as you never close your ears?

Pila Mulligan: funny imagery at the website, dreamlike

Pila Mulligan: sesni was simpler than the off-on -- he was just beighter :)

Eos Amaterasu: 9 secs full awake

Pila Mulligan: sensei*

Pila Mulligan: brighter*

Pila Mulligan: are you Guardian tnoie Eos?

Pila Mulligan: tonite*

Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I am guardian tonight

Pila Mulligan: I don't want to keep you up too late -- it must be after 11 pm there

Eos Amaterasu: It's after midnight

Pila Mulligan: oh, even more east -- still just afternoon here

Pila Mulligan: would you like to sign off to dreamland?

Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I think so

Pila Mulligan: ok, nice visitng with you, as awlays

Eos Amaterasu: It's nice chating with you a few feet away

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: virtually

Eos Amaterasu: and 4 or 5 thousand miles awaya

Pila Mulligan: a few feet and 7 hours

Eos Amaterasu: dogen distance away

Pila Mulligan: bye for now -- sweet dreams :)

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, Pila!