2009.09.01 19:00 - Playing as Retreating

[To be further edited...]

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

doug Sosa: hi eos.

Eos Amaterasu: Whups! Hi Doug

Eos Amaterasu: You arrived off my viewplane!

doug Sosa: i mentioned you to jack park, hope that is ok.

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: Oh definitely, I've been playing and exchanging with Jack for a long time now

doug Sosa: I am looking for ways to use the software (unspecified) for the sustainability project.

Eos Amaterasu: Ah, yes, we need software that is symbiotic with our intentions :-)

doug Sosa: oslo and all that.

doug Sosa: well, and that supports thinking rather than data. I am too often aware that data has built in assumptions that limit exploration..

Eos Amaterasu: Software to monitor planetary ecology

doug Sosa: whereas real thinking makes every piece of data shift significance..

doug Sosa: or even be useless because gathered..

doug Sosa: under the wrong premises.

doug Sosa: the problem for us is not the facts of the ecology but the numena of political and cultural coonsiderations.

Eos Amaterasu: Indeed - so we need the training of the watchers, the guardians, the custodians, the habitat partners

doug Sosa: I think PaB is a good partner.

Eos Amaterasu: That is the coming together of #3, the planetary, societal concern

doug Sosa: and the fact that people are already there and what prevents change is institutional momentum and raw financial interest.

Eos Amaterasu: with that of Being without limitation (#5)

doug Sosa: hi pila.

Pila Mulligan: hi Doug and Eos

Eos Amaterasu: Yes, so that type of practice of individual Being needs to also apply to groups of us

doug Sosa: we are talking about the sustainability project and the kind of thinking encouraged by PaB.

Eos Amaterasu: casually and in intstitutions

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pila

Eos Amaterasu: How have you been, Pila!

Eos Amaterasu: (next time, definitely go to the retreat!)

Pila Mulligan: fine thanks

Pila Mulligan: how are you both :)

Pila Mulligan: :)

doug Sosa: Pila is in Hawaii so always fine. It is against the law there to be othersise :)

Eos Amaterasu: Meantime, we can be in moment by moment retreat here

Pila Mulligan: my problem with flying is airports and small seats

doug Sosa: I emtnioned yesterday, what if we did a five day retreat here?

Pila Mulligan: I'd be happy to do on ehere doug'

Pila Mulligan: one*

doug Sosa: itcould be reallyinteresting, if people would stop double tasking :)

Eos Amaterasu: Interesting, Eliza and a couple of other avatars did something like that, shorter per day, during the RL retreate

Pila Mulligan: how?

Pila Mulligan: oh, yes, I rememeber now

Pila Mulligan: nice idea

Pila Mulligan: Adams started it i think

Eos Amaterasu: They met at a zendo or something

Eos Amaterasu: But we could schedule more continuous meetings here periodically.

Eos Amaterasu: One key thing at the RL retreat was to have lots of free time

Eos Amaterasu: which could mean going back to "previous-tasking"

Eos Amaterasu: but could also mean genuinely free time, without need to go anywhere

Pila Mulligan: like a weekend

doug Sosa: well the free time was quite filled with routine.

Eos Amaterasu: Yes

Pila Mulligan: I do it already :)

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Pila Mulligan: hi Susi

Susi Alcott: Hi Pila

Pila Mulligan: how have you been?

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Susi Alcott: you ?

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Susi

Pila Mulligan: shaka

Susi Alcott: Hi Eos

doug Sosa: aj i had forgoten suzzie's _/|_

Pila Mulligan: (all is well -- Hawaiian slang)

doug Sosa: oops, missed.

Susi Alcott: Hi doug

Susi Alcott: :)

doug Sosa: hi:)

Eos Amaterasu: WE were talking about having retreats here in SL

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Eos Amaterasu: How about Sunday morning?

Susi Alcott: there's many options to that in SL too

Eos Amaterasu recalls that morning spreads around the globe

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Maybe that's the key : that you're playing as being _outside_ the formal sessions!

Susi Alcott: Hi Paul

doug Sosa: hi paul.

Paul Namiboo: Hi all -- sorry to be late

Eos Amaterasu: Paul, hi!

doug Sosa: we were talking about siftware and sustainability and the way PaB approaches thinking.

Paul Namiboo: Siftware?

doug Sosa: sift, not sift, though that might be better :)

Eos Amaterasu: And how the "being" part of PaB relates to action in the world

Pila Mulligan: hi Corvi

doug Sosa: still can't get ot. soft.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu cranes his neck

Susi Alcott: Hi Cor

Pila Mulligan: hi Paul (was away and di not see you:)

Paul Namiboo: Hi Pila :)

Eos Amaterasu: We have two threads going: software and PaB for working with the world

Susi Alcott: what might mean this being part of PaB ...

Eos Amaterasu: and doing "retreat" type time, PaB style, here

Paul Namiboo: It certainly adds a little relaxing talk into an otherewise too hectic life

Eos Amaterasu: The suggestion is that catching that tyupe of little relaxation often, and everywhere

Eos Amaterasu: everntually becomes truly "the pause that refreshes"

Corvuscorva Nightfire: hah!

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Paul Namiboo: I know, but it takes a lot of effort to do that -- I'm trying but mostly failing

Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: it works out

Eos Amaterasu: the more you fail the more you remind yourself!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: it took me aobut three months to get started at all

Corvuscorva Nightfire: and I dont' do it all the time.

Paul Namiboo: I have to reveal that Doug and I worked together in RL today and ended it with a quiet chat outside that I found relaxing

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Susi, you asked aboiut the Being part of PaB?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: that sounds really nice.

Susi Alcott: yes I did

doug Sosa: taking the feeling hee into the rl is almost impossible to avoid.

doug Sosa: here

Eos Amaterasu: Doug, do you mean experiencing it here carries over into experiencing in RL?

doug Sosa: I am needing to go npw. so bye for a bit..

Eos Amaterasu: Ciao!

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Corvuscorva Nightfire: enjoy your evening

Paul Namiboo: So long Doug -- hasta manyana

Pila Mulligan: bye Doug

Paul Namiboo: Pila, I've been enjoying the Chatreau Mouton you gave me (as you may see) and never a hint of a hangover -- another advantage of PaB

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: fun, eh?

Paul Namiboo: Indeed

Pila Mulligan: did you master SL flying?

Pila Mulligan: that is also fun

Paul Namiboo: Tried, it is fun, but I'm still clumsy. How do we start the onigokko dance?

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: first we need to wear the script

Paul Namiboo: I'm wearing it1

Pila Mulligan: then be sure the sound i son for the music

Pila Mulligan: anyone else dancing?

Paul Namiboo: OK

Pila Mulligan: ready?

Paul Namiboo: yes

Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiles

Pila Mulligan: onigokko

Corvuscorva Nightfire: wheeeeeeeee

Pila Mulligan: stop

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: /experience avatars dancing around him

Corvuscorva Nightfire: heh *pants,*

Pila Mulligan: do you have the script Eos?

Paul Namiboo: Great! Lost two pounds just before dinner!

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Corvuscorva Nightfire snickers.

Eos Amaterasu: Felt molecular!

Pila Mulligan: it is quite a fun thing

Corvuscorva Nightfire snickers again

Paul Namiboo: How does one start it??

Corvuscorva Nightfire: just say the word, paul

Corvuscorva Nightfire: and it will be done

Eos Amaterasu: Heh heh: 90 secs coming up!

Pila Mulligan: if you click the script and then click wear you will joinj the dance Eos

Paul Namiboo: You mean I can't?

Pila Mulligan: maybe after

Corvuscorva Nightfire: you can!

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: during is very advanced!

Pila Mulligan: onigokko

Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs all through the dance

Pila Mulligan: stop

Paul Namiboo: onigokko

Paul Namiboo: stop

Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheh

Paul Namiboo: :)

Susi Alcott: ;)

Pila Mulligan: no you are an expert SL dancer, Paul :)

Corvuscorva Nightfire breathes heavily

Corvuscorva Nightfire: gosh

Corvuscorva Nightfire: that

Corvuscorva Nightfire: is quite

Eos Amaterasu: How was that?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: a workout

Eos Amaterasu: Weren't you totally still?

Eos Amaterasu: In RL?

Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs

Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods

Pila Mulligan: :)

Corvuscorva Nightfire: does it matter?

Eos Amaterasu: STill, quite a workout1

Pila Mulligan: vicariuous excitement

Corvuscorva Nightfire is dying laughing

Eos Amaterasu: *workout!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: in rl

Eos Amaterasu: call 911!

Corvuscorva Nightfire nods but can't speak

Corvuscorva Nightfire: cause she's laughing too hard

Corvuscorva Nightfire: woosh

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ok

Eos Amaterasu: Any more thoughts on the retreat idea?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: better

Paul Namiboo: My girl friend just came in, so I'm going to show her before I have to leave

Pila Mulligan: aloha Pema-san

Corvuscorva Nightfire: hey Pema

Pila Mulligan: dancing

Pila Mulligan: wear your script Pema

Susi Alcott: Hi Pema

Pila Mulligan: Paul wants to dance

Paul Namiboo: onigokko

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema

Paul Namiboo: stop

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pema Pera: well, hi everybody! Something we missed at the retreat -- we only talked about doing it . . . . .

Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods

Pila Mulligan: it would have been complicated to do

Eos Amaterasu: I wasn't exactly sure what it was: now I know

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pema Pera: :)

Paul Namiboo: Great workout and chat -- gotta go -- see you all again soon I hope. Thx

Eos Amaterasu: Pema , we were talking about doing small retreats here in SL

Pila Mulligan: bye Paul, glad you had fun

Eos Amaterasu: Ciao, Paul

Pila Mulligan: me too

Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Paul

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Paul Namiboo: Boy, did I!

Pema Pera: bye Paul!

Pema Pera: great idea, Eos!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: how will they work, Eos?

Pema Pera: what kind of format were you thinking of?

Pila Mulligan: (by the way, I'm pretty sure Paul gets the title for the oldest (rl) person doing PaB)

Pema Pera: yes!

Pila Mulligan: he said he is 77

Eos Amaterasu: I think Pila (?) brought it up, and Doug....

Pila Mulligan: dances like a kid

Eos Amaterasu: Five days, Doug said

Pema Pera: Adams constructed a retreat place I believe, where they met last week at 5 pm SLT

Eos Amaterasu: I think we could also do some sessions on a weekend morning (understanding that morning spreads around the globe)

Eos Amaterasu: Re what such a retreat could consist of....

Eos Amaterasu: one thing the RL retreat suggested was that the "free time" was really the "play as being" time

Eos Amaterasu: We could do that here for periods of time

Pema Pera: we also could use the retreat format of having a ten-minute-or-so practice session, followed by a discussion lasting between half an hour and an hour, and then another practice session

Eos Amaterasu: Yes

Eos Amaterasu: I suppose that could also be done in the context of a regular session

Pema Pera: yes, I was thinking that too

Pila Mulligan: I'd suggest breaks in between, so people can strecth and not get their bodies stuck at the keyboard

Pema Pera: question is who would introduce a particular practice

Pema Pera: during a regular PaB session -- the goc I suppose

Pema Pera: or a volunteer

Eos Amaterasu: Maxine was suggesting Sunday 13:00 for as many of the RL retreat avatars to be there...

Pila Mulligan: hi Steve -- want to volunteer?

Susi Alcott: Hi Steve

Pema Pera: Hi Steve!

Pema Pera: you mean next week Sunday, Eos?

Eos Amaterasu: Maybe we could use that format there? (plus including any SL av's)

stevenaia Michinaga: :) isn't that always the cast, those who aren't on time volunteer

stevenaia Michinaga: case

Pila Mulligan: yep :)

Eos Amaterasu: Yes, this coming Sunday (I believe)

Pila Mulligan: Maxine said she was hoping for more dicussion fo the retreat -- this would be consistent with her hopes

Pema Pera: sounds great

--BELL--

Pila Mulligan: at her Sunday PaB session

Pema Pera: I won't be able to join though -- will be in Japan again on Sunday afternoon, which will be 5 am for me in Tokyo

Eos Amaterasu: :-(

Pila Mulligan: wow, Pema you travel more than anyone I've ever knwon

Pema Pera: I'll be in Japan for two weeks only, this time

Pila Mulligan: oh :)

Pila Mulligan: then where?

Pema Pera: back to New York City

Pila Mulligan: ah :)

Pema Pera: where I am now too

Eos Amaterasu: I put my RL body in RL-doing-session-on-retreat mode

Eos Amaterasu: in this 90 sec :-)

Pema Pera: nice!

Pila Mulligan: and what did it say to you Eos?

Eos Amaterasu: it felt rather than using words :-)

Eos Amaterasu: but it felt bigger and bigger, and more and more opening up

Eos Amaterasu found the retreat really inspiring!

Pema Pera: yes, I also was very happy with how it all went

Eos Amaterasu: That's part of the play - what you do with your RL aspect

Eos Amaterasu: Pila, in RL I am drinking tea :-)

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: a soothing activity

Pila Mulligan: the SL avi animation sips pretty fast :)

Pila Mulligan: needs to lift the cup slowly, admire its direcoration, turn it around

Pema Pera: So shall we make some concrete suggestions?

Pema Pera: for regular sessions as well as special retreat periods?

Eos Amaterasu: One thing might be to have a specific or voiced suggestion for how to do each 90-secs, or however long

Eos Amaterasu: AS we did in RL retreat

Pema Pera: yes

Pema Pera: we could have a few standard practices, and also leave it to suggestions from the audience

Eos Amaterasu: It was interesting how getting specific really opened things up

Pila Mulligan: earlier (how it started): [19:06] doug Sosa: I emtnioned yesterday, what if we did a five day retreat here?

Pila Mulligan: [19:08] Eos Amaterasu: But we could schedule more continuous meetings here periodically. [19:09] Eos Amaterasu: One key thing at the RL retreat was to have lots of free time

Eos Amaterasu: That's a long time commitment, if that's meant 5 days continuously

Pila Mulligan: yes, it is

Pila Mulligan: a wekend day may be the most to do realisitcally

Pema Pera: I can see pros and cons -- my life is so busy, that *if* I commit five days, I really would prefer a 5-day RL retreat

Pila Mulligan: yep :)

Eos Amaterasu: I think some more "intensive" sessions, of one to severl hours, is doable for me

Eos Amaterasu: Pema, would you consider using some of the points used in the RL retreat?

Pema Pera: oh sure, I'd be happy to

Eos Amaterasu: Starting with 1?

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Doug

Pema Pera: hi Doug!

Pila Mulligan: welcome back Doug

Pema Pera: You mean the five or six steps, from personality to Being?

Eos Amaterasu: wb, Doug

Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi Doug

Susi Alcott: wb D

doug Sosa: :)

Eos Amaterasu: There were two sets of five

Eos Amaterasu: Also from relaxation to Being

Eos Amaterasu: & back :-)

Pema Pera: yes, that was the first one

doug Sosa: a circle.

stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a lovely trip

Eos Amaterasu: "guaranteed to raise a smile :-)"

Pema Pera: (^_^)

Eos Amaterasu: First one is just relax

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: Any comments on this one?

Pema Pera: (I see Pila typing but I'm not sure whether that's a bug or whether it will be a long paragraph)

doug Sosa: in many ways the hardest.

Eos Amaterasu: Yes...

Eos Amaterasu: I tied this again to my RL body stopping

Eos Amaterasu: that's very powerful!

Pila Mulligan: (was not typing:)

Eos Amaterasu: Maybe that's part of doing SL retreat-style practice - both your SL and RL bodies stop

Pema Pera: there are so many levels of rest; each time when you find one, you find the beginning of a deeper one, it seems

Pema Pera: yes, EOS, that would make the SL practice more powerful for sure!

Pema Pera: *Eos

doug Sosa: hm, i dont think of relaxing as body stopping.

doug Sosa: I had a eacher once,

doug Sosa: a neighbor's cat.

doug Sosa: came and took a nap with me.

doug Sosa: I watched her breathe.

doug Sosa: Very irrgular, went with her dream thinking. vey irregular.

doug Sosa: So i tried it.

doug Sosa: loved it.

doug Sosa: She stayed with me her awake

doug Sosa: for half an hour.

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Eos Amaterasu: conspiring together :-)

Susi Alcott: she wanted to bring you that

doug Sosa: the body wants to gurgle and burble..

doug Sosa: is it more relaxed to resist the twicht, or to twitch?

Pema Pera: stopping in the wu-wei sense, I think Eos means, Doug; that includes all that is natural, but leaves out all the extras we normally add, in terms of neurotic behavior, including most forms of thoughts, usually

doug Sosa: yes, and

doug Sosa: many impose regularity of rhythm on breating. this takes energy.

doug Sosa: not natural at all.

doug Sosa: Extra.

Eos Amaterasu: Ah, yes, no imposition!

Eos Amaterasu: My dog would twitch only when dreaming - I could practically see her running arouind!

Pema Pera: I'll have to get going -- good meeting you all here!

doug Sosa: ciao.

Pema Pera: thanks for all the new suggestions!

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Good to see you, Pema.

Pila Mulligan: bye Pema

Pema Pera: concerning practice and retreat sessions in SL

Pema Pera: let's discuss that further on the PaB email group

Pema Pera: bye everybody!

stevenaia Michinaga: bye Pema

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: doug Sosa: itcould be reallyinteresting, if people would stop double tasking :)

Eos Amaterasu: Group commitment: that makes a difference

Corvuscorva Nightfire looks to see where Doug said that

doug Sosa: yes. a real problem. one night i was here and there were maybe five of us, no, six, and at a point i realized

doug Sosa: no one was paying attention!

doug Sosa: Felt like sandpaper.

Pila Mulligan: :)

Eos Amaterasu: not even 1%?

Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks about real life

Corvuscorva Nightfire: and how she gets distracted there

doug Sosa: for a bit, no.. no response, not just silence, i could feel it.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: from being right in the moment.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: sometimes by thoughts or emotions or daydreams

doug Sosa: we talked about it. cooking, phone, coffee, reading.. eveyone fessed up.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods

doug Sosa: I am always paying attention because..

Eos Amaterasu: so just the literal act of bodies being there not doing anything much made a difrernece

doug Sosa: i can see my avatar wide awake and taking

doug Sosa: it all in.

doug Sosa: stange use of "literal", you mean in second life?

doug Sosa: strange

Corvuscorva Nightfire: is that literal like literary?

Eos Amaterasu: I mean that's what happened at the RL retreat, with RL bodies

doug Sosa: double tasking?

Eos Amaterasu: but it also makes a huge difference for SL 90 sec retereats, if our RL bodies are also present there

Eos Amaterasu: attending as not two

doug Sosa: very much.

Eos Amaterasu: Shall we try it the next time the bell rings?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: wait

Corvuscorva Nightfire: I don't understand?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: try what exactly?

Pila Mulligan: the psychi and physical attachment to screen and keyboard can be pretty strong and demanding it seems

Eos Amaterasu: When the bell rings, pretend you're in RL retreat doing a session!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ok

Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods to Pila

Susi Alcott: wishing good time to all

Pila Mulligan: bye Susi, nice to see you

stevenaia Michinaga: bye Susi

Susi Alcott: _/!\_

Eos Amaterasu: Bid you good night

Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye

Eos Amaterasu thinks scripting thoughts about camera detecting RL body movements and cueing them back to avatar....

Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles

Eos Amaterasu: I will try to make Maxine's max avatars get-together Sunday 13:00

Pila Mulligan needs to slip away also -- bye for now Steve, Corvi, Eos and Doug :)

Eos Amaterasu: Bye Pila

Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Pila

doug Sosa: this is the longest I've been here. world calls.

Eos Amaterasu: I'll leave after the next 90

Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Doug

Eos Amaterasu: Ciao!

doug Sosa: so lots of little tasks before my next rl ,editaion.. :)

stevenaia Michinaga: I can wait

stevenaia Michinaga: thenoff to bed for me

Eos Amaterasu: okay, here we go!

--BELL--

Corvuscorva Nightfire grins..feels like a roller coaster waiting at the top of the hilll....

Eos Amaterasu: How was the ride :-)

Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs

Corvuscorva Nightfire: nice and rather uneventful

stevenaia Michinaga: alway better when focused

Eos Amaterasu: yes, catching yourself from SL

stevenaia Michinaga: see you all soon

Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Stevie

Eos Amaterasu: being playing as you catching your rl being

Eos Amaterasu: bye steve

Corvuscorva Nightfire: grins

Eos Amaterasu: okay, gotta pull the plug on myself

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ok, Eos..have a good evening, too.

Eos Amaterasu visualizes one of those cartoons

Corvuscorva Nightfire: laghs

Eos Amaterasu: Bye Corvi

Eos Amaterasu: 1

Eos Amaterasu: Should I leave the log running?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: no

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ut it will stop when I leave