Adams, Fael and Moon seem to arrive at about the same time that Solobill appeared.
Fael Illyar: Hello Solo :)
Solobill Laville: Hello!
Adams Rubble: Hello Bill, Fael, Moon
Moon Fargis: hi everyone
Solobill Laville: Hello!
Fael Illyar: Hello Adams :)
Adams Rubble: What is jealousy?
Moon Fargis opens his dict
Solobill Laville: Craving
Adams Rubble: Is that all?
Moon Fargis opens his dict again
Adams Rubble: :)
Solobill Laville: Yes, really
Adams Rubble: OK, then
Solobill Laville: :)
Solobill Laville: What do you think it is Adams?
Adams Rubble: I was wondering it was just a result of desire
Adams Rubble: If it is craving then it is
Adams Rubble: It seemed to be something more
Solobill Laville: I think there is a great deal of psychology in the middle there
Solobill Laville: All sorts of things that can help to determine whys
Solobill Laville: But ultimately, yes, desire = craving
Solobill Laville: Of course, *my opinion*
Solobill Laville: ;)
Adams Rubble: :)
Back to jealousy.
Solobill Laville: Have you been focusing on jealousy Adams?
Adams Rubble wonders what Moon’s dictionary thinks
Adams Rubble: Not really Bill. I am focusing on things in the way
Adams Rubble: Kind of identifying them
Solobill Laville: That is really wonderful
Solobill Laville: Have you been able to clearly identify some of things to yourself?
Moon Fargis: hmm i think, 1 my tea is too hot, 2. why i am sitting that uncomfortable on this pillow 3. jealousy is just a mixture feeling of desire, ownership needment and fear of losing something
Adams Rubble: ah fear, that is one thought that had come to me earlier. Thanks Moon :)
Solobill Laville: Fear of loss is still ultimately an attachment to that which is potentially lost
Solobill Laville: THus the desire to keep it
Adams Rubble: yes, still ultimately desire
Adams Rubble: :)
Solobill Laville: But, I understand that is a sweeping statement
Solobill Laville: The other day
Adams Rubble: I am not much of a philosophical bent
Solobill Laville: I was sitting in my bedroom
Solobill Laville: and I was frustrated with something
Solobill Laville: and I felt a quick rise of anger in my chest
Solobill Laville: and I said, “Ah! there is a feeling of anger!”
Solobill Laville: And it was gone
Adams Rubble: That’s great Bill
Solobill Laville: It is like you catch the feeling with its hand in the cookie jar
Solobill Laville: Then it slinks away…
Solobill Laville: poof, gone
Moon Fargis: or hug the crying child
Solobill Laville: Yes, I have a lot of hugging crying children at my place too
Solobill Laville: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Solobill Laville: Just learning to ride bikes….
Moon Fargis: are you a teacher in this?
Moon Fargis: driving bikes?
Solobill Laville: hehe, no pretty much self-taught in most things
Solobill Laville: But we are our own best teachers ;)
Solobill Laville: Lovely flowers in your hair Fael!
Solobill Laville: :)
Back to Play as Being.
Solobill Laville: How goes your PaB efforts Adams? I am way behind in my reading…
Fael Illyar: Thank you solo :)
Adams Rubble: Well, it has its ups and downs (she says uncommitted)
Solobill Laville: :)
Adams Rubble: I have been trying to sum everything up
Adams Rubble: what I learned in the last 3 weeks
Adams Rubble: It may be a futile effort
Solobill Laville: You have had some real progress on things, then? :)
Adams Rubble: I have had a few, what I term “breakthroughs” in the 3 weeks
Moon Fargis: ahh good
Solobill Laville: Wow, that is wonderful
Adams Rubble: and then there seems to be a lag
Adams Rubble: and then some readjustment
Moon Fargis: rl lag ?:)
Adams Rubble: haha
Fael Illyar: Sorry, I’m doing some IMs so mostly not really here
Solobill Laville: that’s ok, Fael
Adams Rubble: so I am in a slow down period today
Adams Rubble: or trying to be :)
Solobill Laville: Slow down periods are important
Faenik impersonations!
Adams Rubble: Faenik isn’t here?
Adams Rubble: ah
Solobill Laville: could be
Adams Rubble: indeed?
Moon Fargis: i love wells
Solobill Laville: ;)
Solobill Laville: hehe
Adams Rubble: :)
Solobill Laville: i love wells too
Moon Fargis: well..
Adams Rubble: meh :)
Solobill Laville: Oh, don’t get me started!!!
Solobill Laville: meh!
Solobill Laville: :)
Solobill Laville: Moon, do you have a timer for every 15 minutes? Or how often are you PaB-ing?
Moon Fargis: i time myself.. since mostly got a clock in front of my view
Solobill Laville: Ah
Adams Rubble: Hi Pia
Moon Fargis: at work i only have to look up and see the clock so its easy and here are our pabbells
Solobill Laville: Hey there Pia!
Moon Fargis: hi pia
Solobill Laville: Yes
Pia Iger: Hi, hi, hi
Adams Rubble: hai
Pia joined the group.
Solobill Laville: You know, I just had a though
Solobill Laville: *thought
Solobill Laville: I don’t use any timer
Solobill Laville: SO I “let go” (that’s what I call it) when it occurs to me
Adams Rubble: I have trouble either remembering mine or it not working correctly
Solobill Laville: So what happens now, and has for several weeks
Solobill Laville: is that I have conditioned myself in a way
Solobill Laville: When things get stressful, or I get “Caught up in the weeds”
Solobill Laville: I feel it is time
Pia Iger: I thought that way too.
Moon Fargis: ah one thing i noticed when i once started zazen yeaaars ago.. i began to see the beauty in things.. like a little branch wich leafs on it
Pia Iger: a while ago
Solobill Laville: And - lo - I’m back and centered
Moon Fargis: please tell me when this happens to you too
Solobill Laville: Moon, that is a lovely vision
Pia Iger: what is wich leaf?
Adams Rubble: It happens to me after cataloging a number of Japanese paintings
Solobill Laville: My experience is similar, but I can’t describe it such
Moon Fargis: pia: just look at a tree and focus a little branch outside of it and soo how its grown.. and blows in the wind…
Faenik: indeed?
Pia Iger: ok.
Moon Fargis: before i started with zen i didnt even noticed the tree as nice
Solobill Laville: That is a great example Moon
Solobill Laville: Would you call that attention, perhaps?
Attention, appreciation, awareness.
Pia Iger: Seems we all feel this way after PaB for a while, appreciation of beauty
Pia Iger: Solo, not just attention. also appreciation
Adams Rubble: It is a matter of seeing
Adams Rubble: yes appreciation too
Moon Fargis: + awareness:)
Moon Fargis: 3 A words
Moon Fargis: maybe we should call that Triple A effect:)
Solobill Laville: They are all good!
Pia Iger: cool!
Solobill Laville: There was a Zen master, I forget who
Solobill Laville: whose teaching he summarized as
Solobill Laville: Attention! Attention! Attention!
Solobill Laville: :)
Moon Fargis: :)
Pia Iger: my elementary teachers said that too:))
Solobill Laville: lol!
Solobill Laville: Mine said - detention!
Solobill Laville: just kidding…
Adams Rubble: :)
Pia Iger: that was not his fault.
Adams Rubble: I must leave you all. bye everyone. thanks for good chat. bye:
Solobill Laville: Bye Adams
Adams left, and Pia brought up boredom.
Pia Iger: I feel bored, recently.
Solobill Laville: Ah, with what?
Fael Illyar: try dropping the boredom :)
Pia Iger: Fael, any tips?
Fael Illyar: well, to me it seems boredom is desire for something to happen so you just drop the desire :)
Solobill Laville: Boredom, also, is a feeling like others
Solobill Laville: It can help sometimes to identify it
Solobill Laville: Ah, boredom
Faenik loves wells!
Solobill Laville: Is this a RL boredom generally?
Pia Iger: yes.
Pia Iger: maybe I am not hung onto anything now, feel empty
Pia Iger: how to live with nothingness?
Moon Fargis: live zen :)
Pia Iger: Moon, can you give more hints?
Moon Fargis: well… living with nothingness reminds me on zen.. when you reduce your ego to nothing.. maybe this emptiness in a unusual state during your daily routine is boringness because you brain didn’t come down yet and wants something todo..do i zen you learn yourself to reduce this feeling of boredness
Solobill Laville: Moon and I share a Zen bias, Pia
Pia Iger: We are quited used to outside stimulation.
Pia Iger: Now I kind of distance myself from those stimulations
Pia Iger: feel not much happening to my mind.
Moon Fargis: well human mind always DESIRE for something new
Moon Fargis: new to learn.. new to know
Moon Fargis: if that also doesn’t happen it get bored too
Moon Fargis: so we have to differ 2 kinds of boredness
Pia Iger: right
Moon Fargis: the one that desires new and the one that desires more action
Moon Fargis: or a mixture of it can also be possible of course
Moon Fargis: ah darn emotions right ?:)
Solobill Laville: Yep
Pia gave an interesting interpretation to her boredom, in terms of dropping the old.
Pia Iger: It can also mean the time for me to explore new territories.
Solobill Laville: In those kinds of situations, which we all feel I’m certain
Faenik: why not?
Solobill Laville: I do try to settle my mind as much as possible
Solobill Laville: It seems sometimes there are ‘outside’ things that affect us
Solobill Laville: though, really, it is just something ‘within’ us
Moon Fargis: well yes mostly you body affect you :)
Solobill Laville: Right
Pia Iger: in what way?
Moon Fargis: solo: your eyes see nothing new.. Your ears hear nothing new… then our mind gets bored
Moon Fargis: same with all other senses come from body
Moon Fargis: atleast you trust your body and what he tells you
Moon Fargis: if you get the awareness that your body “lies” you … then you wont be attached to it that much anymore.. this is the first step to a greater being of awareness
Moon Fargis: aware that your body tells you how reality is..what reality is
Solobill Laville: An awareness of the miracle of the leaf on the twig on the tree
Solobill Laville: That is always a new thing
Pia Iger: I have heard the strong language from my body
Solobill Laville: :)
Pia Iger: fatigue,
Pia Iger: stuffed,
Pia Iger: energetic,
Pia Iger: …
Faenik loves wells!
Moon Fargis: body babbling :)
Pia Iger: it calls my attention
Pia Iger: and it is important, I believe.
Moon Fargis: its important not to ignore it.. its wise not to be attached to it
Pia Iger: well said.
Faenik: ah :)
Here, as a remote commenter, I have to leave it to your imagination what kind of gyrations Moon performed . . . .
Pia Iger: Moon, can you do the funny turn again?
Moon Fargis: oh i got manny funny turns:)
Solobill Laville: Yes!
Pia Iger: the one with whacky music.
Moon Fargis: ah this one?
Pia Iger: that is my favorite
Solobill Laville: :))
Moon Fargis: hehe yes its so silly i like it too :)
Pia Iger: is there a name?
Pia Iger: My mind feels better now, less bored:)
Moon Fargis: :) try it out :)
Moon Fargis: but you have to stand up
Moon Fargis gave you Kitty dance.
Moon Fargis: ok solo also one for you .)
Solobill Laville: ty!
Solobill Laville: :))
Moon Fargis: ohh i got something more nice for you then
Pia Iger: Is Fael doing too?
Moon Fargis gave you onigokko_shippo.
Moon Fargis: just wear it:)
Moon Fargis: then i will show yu how it works
Moon Fargis: pia
Pia Iger: I got this before, I am cautious. what it is.
Moon Fargis: ahh you know it already ok :)
Moon Fargis: but can you wear it just for fun ?:)
Pia Iger: sure.
Back to the onigokko dance!
Moon Fargis: onigokko
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Moon Fargis: yeehaaw
Moon Fargis: stop
Moon Fargis: ups i hit the sake can
Solobill Laville: woo hoo!
Pia Iger: Fun!
Pia Iger: one more time for the road.
Moon Fargis: yes everyone can start it btw
Moon Fargis: onigokki
Moon Fargis: ahh
Moon Fargis: onigokko
Moon Fargis: hi quick :)
Moon Fargis: haha
Moon Fargis: stop
Quick Heron: Hi
Solobill Laville: Hi Quick
Moon Fargis: solo: got the shot?
Solobill Laville: yes
Pia Iger: good. we have both mind and physical exercise today
Moon Fargis: ehe
Solobill Laville: Well, friends, I must be off
Solobill Laville: UNtil next time!
Fael Illyar: Bye Solo :)
Moon Fargis: ok solo :) see you soon
Pia Iger: next time. bye
