2008.09.02 19:00 - Care of the ordinary

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    Sylectra was the guardian at this discussion.

    Adelene Dawner: Hi, Syl
    You: Hi Adelene!
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi Syl, haven't seen you in hours ;D
    You: I love the kitty greeting.
    You: haha
    You: :)
    You: I am surrounded by green dots and yet I see no people.
    Threedee Shepherd: Zoom in on us to fully rez us
    You: If you saw what I see, Adelene...LOL
    You: Cute t shirt!
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Threedee Shepherd: Syl, Ive heard of Darwin's finches, but Darwin's beetles???
    You: hehe
    You: I feel kind of primordial today.
    Threedee Shepherd: ok
    You: Quiet night.
    You: So what's the busy night these days?
    Threedee Shepherd: No idea, I wonder if attendence is trailing off? I've even wondered if 4/day may be a bit much, though I understand the timezone implications.
    You: I think Summer is probably a quiet season in general.
    You: unless you're at the beach :)
    You: Hi Steven, you glowing nimbus you.
    stevenaia Michinaga: why thank you
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi Steve
    You: Steven is feeling ethereal.
    You: Time for a snack, maybe? Your'e vaporizing.
    You: I am sitting in my new apartment for the first time living alone in 10 years. And it's fantastic.
    stevenaia Michinaga: are you a bug tonight Sylectra?
    Adelene Dawner: Awesome, Syl.
    You: I am, how kind of you to notice. :)
    You: Hi Neela!
    Threedee Shepherd: Syl, enjoy.
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello all
    You: thank you
    You: how are you Neela?
    Neela Blaisdale: Yes being alone can be great
    Threedee Shepherd: evening Neela
    stevenaia Michinaga: suggestion... keep a dream log, wake yourself up in the middle of the night and write it all down as you won;t be desturbing anyone but yourself, I did that once when I got my own place once
    You: oh nice, thank you Steven.
    You: I will try that!
    stevenaia Michinaga: it makes for very intresteing reading 20 years from now
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...smile
    You: lol
    You: I imagine!
    Neela Blaisdale: The animal avatar meeting. Maybe Steve and I should change
    You: Humans are animals too.
    You: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: indeed
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    You: I was thinking of maybe wearing the llama outfit but it really is very big.
    stevenaia Michinaga: and I don;t think a bug is an animal either
    You: probably not, Steven.
    Neela Blaisdale: No?
    Neela Blaisdale: It's a living thing
    You: But I am not technically a bug. I am a beetle.
    You: I am a six-legged creature with an exoskeleton.
    Neela Blaisdale: And Adelene has new colors
    stevenaia Michinaga: three? you are closer to biolgy than most of us
    You: Adelene is wearing the new PaB t-shirt!
    You: wow, what are you doing, Adelene?
    Adelene Dawner: Syl is an *insect*, and I changed colors for fall. I have a new set to wear in a few weeks, too.
    Adelene Dawner has a fancy typing animation. ^.^
    You: nice!
    Threedee Shepherd: "I don;t think a bug is an animal either" -- well it ain't a plant....
    Umbriel Levenque: Hello
    Neela Blaisdale: What kind of bird are yo Adelene?
    Adelene Dawner: Kingdom animalia, but less closely related to us than fish are.
    Neela Blaisdale: *u
    You: Hello Umbriel.
    Adelene Dawner: Neela - just a bird... though I cop to being a human/crow/phoenix mix, sometimes.
    Threedee Shepherd: Hello Umbriel, looks like you are new to Second Life :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome Umbreil, and happy Birthday
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello Umbriel
    Umbriel Levenque came here to say hello.
    You: That's fabulous. Welcome.
    Umbriel Levenque: Hi Syl and Neela
    Umbriel Levenque nods
    You: Umbriel, do you mind if I take your portrait for the wiki?
    Umbriel Levenque: Just born today but... sure go ahead
    You: would you prefer to stand?
    You: you don't have to of course.
    You: ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we'll call it your baby picture
    You: thank you!
    You: all done.
    Umbriel Levenque: Pls continue your discussion
    Umbriel Levenque: np Syl
    Neela Blaisdale: Your av looks so well put together , amazing you were born today
    You: I think we were still spiraling into a good discussion topic.
    Umbriel Levenque: ty Neela
    You: I think we were discussing how fun it is to change avs for the fall.
    You: Adelene here has some new colors all ready to go.
    Umbriel Levenque: Interesting topic indeed
    Umbriel Levenque: Green looks lovely on you Adelene if I may say so
    You: I have not ever spent more than ten minutes as an insect av so I decided it was time.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^ thanks
    You: Steven, you have your t shirt on!
    You: The only significant thing that I have to offer this evening is a joy of having my own space after ten years.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: it fits
    Neela Blaisdale: Congratulations!
    You: Thanks very much.
    Threedee Shepherd: Spring, summer, fall, winter--on the Lion's savannah it's all much the same, 'cept for the rain :D
    Threedee Shepherd: Syl, HIGHLY significant
    You: lol
    You: I am still exploring the ways it might be significant.
    You: It's a simplification.
    You: I got rid of a lot of stuff.
    You: I need to get rid of more.
    You: It's quiet here, oddly.
    Threedee Shepherd: I was married right after college graduation and have never lived alone. Hard to imagine....
    You: surrounded by other apartment dwellers.
    stevenaia Michinaga: the more you learn to enjoy it, the more you will enjoy yourself
    stevenaia Michinaga: or vis versa
    You: I really like it and this is my first real night alone.
    You: haha, Steven. Clever.
    You: I have no TV
    stevenaia Michinaga: aren;t you forgetiing your pets?
    You: Only a small stereo and my computer.
    You: Ah, I could never.
    You: I have a dog and a cat.
    You: I just looked at them and the both sighed contentedly.
    You: I think they like it too.
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    You: My living room is a citadel of boxes and I have no couch or dining room table, haha
    You: Maybe I will get a zafu cushion.
    You: Have any of you removed all the furnishings from a room to experience its emptiness?
    Neela Blaisdale: Potential to just be !
    You: grins
    You: Maybe I should just chuck the boxes.
    Threedee Shepherd: I have boxes from childhood, whatever that implies :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you opened them in the last 20 years?
    Threedee Shepherd: yes
    Umbriel Levenque: What you have found there 3D that you forgot?
    You: wow.
    Umbriel Levenque: Have you found anything that you forgot*?
    Threedee Shepherd tries to recall, it's been a while
    Threedee Shepherd: While this Av is a lion, interms of random stuff I'm sort of a cross between a packrat and a "this might be useful one day" kind of animal. I do wood working and even have a twinge when I discard piles of sawdust :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Even sawdust... wow
    You: sawdust can be useful.
    Threedee Shepherd: Big piles of sawdust build up in the "catch basins" of machines and when there is a lot, it looks like it should be useful for "something"
    Umbriel Levenque: What use I wonder...
    You: fluffing up hard clay soil.
    Umbriel Levenque: Gardening I see...
    Threedee Shepherd: reasonable idea
    Neela Blaisdale: Ant farm?
    Umbriel Levenque: haha
    You: cleaning up grease or oil spills.
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, good for oil spills
    You: A useful thing is hard to discard.
    Threedee Shepherd: even slightly tarnished old habits :)
    You: grins
    You: when is it useful and when is it clutter?
    Neela Blaisdale: Can also be applied to thoughts
    Threedee Shepherd: exactly, Neela
    Umbriel Levenque: Possibly 'should' in 3D sentence gives a clue
    Umbriel Levenque: "It should be useful for "something""
    Threedee Shepherd: I gave that consideration when choosing the word "should" Umbriel :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Please say a bit more 3D
    Threedee Shepherd: Sawdust I made I have a sense of responsibility for.
    Neela Blaisdale: Well I must go, goodnight everyone
    Umbriel Levenque: Bye Neela
    Threedee Shepherd: goodnight Neela
    You: Good night, Neela.
    Adelene Dawner: 'night Neela
    Umbriel Levenque: 3D still not sure how the responsbility relates to the choice of 'should'
    Threedee Shepherd: making the sawdust somehow automatically includes responsible use of it, not quite should, yet sort of "don't just walk away without consideration"
    You: when you have a hobby and there is a byproduct of that hobby?
    Umbriel Levenque: I see.
    Threedee Shepherd: When I do anything and it has a by-product, being includes attending to all the parts
    Umbriel Levenque: Are thoughts also by-products of our actions/thoughts?
    Threedee Shepherd: good question (and I apologize for being flippant and quoting "A mind is a terrible thing to waste" ;D)
    Umbriel Levenque: :D
    You: lightness of heart has its place here :)
    Adelene Dawner: Why/how does 'being' include attending to all the parts?
    Threedee Shepherd: Oh, doesn't PaB stand for Puns_as_Being?
    Umbriel Levenque: haha
    You: or maybe pundits as Being?
    You: lol
    Umbriel Levenque: puhaha
    Threedee Shepherd: no Pun-ditz as Being ;D
    You: hehe
    Umbriel Levenque: Very good 3D
    Threedee Shepherd: Ade, because all the parts *are*
    Adelene Dawner: Okay, *Being* includes attending to the parts. But the implication was that it's needful for *you* to take care of them...
    You: Can we "see" byproducts as Being?
    Adelene Dawner: ...and in a particular way, too, from what you're saying.
    Threedee Shepherd: It feels needful to give thoughts to the parts I have a somewhat (relatively?) direct hand in
    Adelene Dawner: Yes. Why?
    Threedee Shepherd: "right living", right profession" etc.
    Adelene Dawner doesn't see how that's an answer.
    You: I guess it's sort of like living in a connected way.
    Threedee Shepherd: perhaps metaphoric, working from "clean up your own mess" backwards to try not to make a mess in the first place, and backwards even further back to respect all of being.
    You: So that you are aware of the consequences of your actions.
    Threedee Shepherd: yes Syl, that captures it, too
    Adelene Dawner: Awareness, yes, I get that. And I'm not arguing the necessity of dealing with the sawdust. But tryign to find a use for it looks more like Doing than Not-Doing to me.
    Threedee Shepherd: Ecologists will remind us that there is no *away* to *throw things* too.
    Threedee Shepherd: brb
    Umbriel Levenque: Sure 3D
    You: ok
    Adelene Dawner: hmm, a metaphor...
    Threedee Shepherd: back
    Umbriel Levenque: wb
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm off, see you soon
    You: night Steven
    Threedee Shepherd: g'night Steve
    Umbriel Levenque: Bye stevenaia
    Adelene Dawner: When a lion makes a kill, he eats what he wants, shares with his pack, and then leaves. He doesn't worry about the hyenas who eat the rest of the meat, or the vultures who clean up after the hyenas, or the flies and worms who finish the job.
    Threedee Shepherd: Having an *organic* use for it flow from the making might be not-doing
    Umbriel Levenque sees landfill sites
    Adelene Dawner sees a grey area between throwing the stuff away and making a project out of it.
    You: Well I would suggest that we make things which cannot easily be reused by another species.
    Threedee Shepherd: All of the kill does get used, in the scheme of things. That is not wasteful. Humans are wasteful.
    Umbriel Levenque: Responsibility as 3D said possibly could be a key to understand the difference between the two Adelene mentioned
    Adelene Dawner: Am I the only one who's considering that there may be more than two options here?
    You: go ahead...
    Adelene Dawner: Find someone who has a use for sawdust. Give it to them. Problem solved.
    Threedee Shepherd: Ade, I do not have a large pile of sawdust I am keeping around, all I said was there is a *twinge* when I discard it. Perhaps that twinge is a last consideration of best possible use"
    Umbriel Levenque: Finding someone to give away is not quite organic as leaving bits behind by a lion
    Threedee Shepherd: Actually smoked salmon uses sawdust, unfortunately there are no salmon processors near me. However, I will point out that I know that the sawdust from coffin factories is reused by others in an industrial process :)
    Umbriel Levenque: One must do whatever one can imho
    Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps we could move from the sawdust to the principle of respect for all being
    Adelene Dawner: Other than the 'finding' part - made necessary by the concept of 'ownership' - how is it any less organic?
    You: well, things like sawdust are organic.
    You: Other types of waste products are not so innocuous.
    Umbriel Levenque: Consideration is given when finding other use therefore it's not 'organic (natural?)' as used in the previous sentence
    Threedee Shepherd: I am drawn to pondering a writing entitled "The sawdust of Being"
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    You: hehe, nice, Threedee.
    Umbriel Levenque: Good one 3D
    Threedee Shepherd: or perhaps a haiku, or a Tao like saying?
    You: A zen koan?
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, now imagine this: You know nothing about PaB. You come across this log, and only this log. What would you make of it :)
    Umbriel Levenque: By-product of Being?
    Umbriel Levenque: Title that is
    Threedee Shepherd: Suppose you wre asked to infer things about the group that was meeting: discussing sawdust, puns, living arrangements...
    You: much discussion around the care of the ordinary, today.
    Threedee Shepherd: ahhh
    Threedee Shepherd: good :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Yes
    Umbriel Levenque: Content and the title don't seem to be connected very much in that case
    Umbriel Levenque: Good title thou
    You: smiles
    Threedee Shepherd: "Care of the Ordinary" is a nice title for this Log :)
    You: Thanks for the suggestion :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Another good suggestion thanks 3D
    You: All, I was up very late last night and must go to sleep soon.

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