2008.09.30 07:00 - Celebrate Continuum

This morning the avatar Riddle Sideways was Guardian on Call and added these comments.

 Last night started Rosh Hashanah (Jewish new year and beginning of the days of Awe and reflection).  I was in a comtemplative, awestuck (awe-full?), prayer, celebrate, reflective, traditional, etc. space.  This was exactly the right time/space to have Avastu to chat with exclusively.

I really apreciate where it goes toward the end.

Riddle Sideways: good morning Avastu
Avastu Maruti: love to you my friend
Riddle Sideways: very long time since we have met
Avastu Maruti: seems that way
Riddle Sideways: I hope that time has been good to you
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
PaB Listener Master: Recording has started!

Avastu Maruti: whatever arises, arises perfectly
Riddle Sideways: and what has been arising lately?
Avastu Maruti: nothing at all
Avastu Maruti: and you?
Riddle Sideways: this group has brought up many thoughts, ideas and arisings
Riddle Sideways: so that when I went to temple last night
Riddle Sideways: there was a slightly different openness
Avastu Maruti: yes
Riddle Sideways: many years there is the feeling of having heard it before
Riddle Sideways: and there we were hearing it anew again
Riddle Sideways: there was this rabbi that got up and told us stories
Riddle Sideways: stories of the daily lives that members of my religion have done, been and celebrated for thousands of years
Avastu Maruti: it is a wonderful tradition

Riddle Sideways: yes, tradition, but more ...
Riddle Sideways: not sure how to put it
Riddle Sideways: tradition, although a really good word, does not nail it fully
Riddle Sideways: to stand in a place saying the same words that hundreds of generations have already said
Riddle Sideways: and will say for generations to come
Riddle Sideways: being just a link in that chain
Riddle Sideways: celebrating/rejoicing with parents over the birth of a child
Riddle Sideways: celebrating with bride and groom
Riddle Sideways: rejoicing/remembering all those that were parts of our livies once
Riddle Sideways: being joyious that the wheel of time has rounded another week
Avastu Maruti smiles
Avastu Maruti: this larger perspective, one in which the small sense of self is lost as a wave in the vast ocean
Avastu Maruti: joy is found in the absence of the self-contraction
Avastu Maruti: it is wonderful that you recognize that joy
Riddle Sideways: yes, renewing the feeling of being a little i in a chain of greater ... wholeness
Riddle Sideways: time and space and ...
Avastu Maruti: yes, even time and space are only facets of the totality
Avastu Maruti: Life, looking at itself, surrounded by itself, awed at the beauty
Riddle Sideways: spending much time on that totality, beauty, etc.
Riddle Sideways: however, this time
Riddle Sideways: the word continual, continuality (spelling failed)

Riddle Sideways: within or around the ALL is and totality and Being
Riddle Sideways: is the continual-ness
Riddle Sideways: mine is to be what i must to continue it for the next
Avastu Maruti: it is as it is - when there is the sense of self, the contraction, the idea of controlling life, Joy seems to be obscured
Avastu Maruti: the totality, the wholeness, needs no help
Riddle Sideways: yet, there is the joy and awe to do a part in the continual turn of the wheels
Riddle Sideways: a fullfillness of purpose to contribute to the pushing of the cycles
Avastu Maruti: it is the idea of contribution which separates the whole
Avastu Maruti: Life takes care of itself
Avastu Maruti: the turning wheels are reflections in the totality itself
Riddle Sideways: there are fine points that have trouble with that
Riddle Sideways: there was the need for me to live to bear and raise children
Riddle Sideways: to teach what I could
Riddle Sideways: and launch them
Riddle Sideways: that could be looked upon as controling
Riddle Sideways: it is part of the continuim
Avastu Maruti: the wholeness is, prior to and includes the thoughts about trouble
Avastu Maruti: this living, bearing, raising children, teaching - all Life living itself
Avastu Maruti: contracted as the small self, we are separate from life
Avastu Maruti: yet we may recognize that this is a reflection in the mirror of consciousness itself
Avastu Maruti: the small self, the contraction of assumed control, dissolves into the whole, the totality
Avastu Maruti: and what is, remains
Avastu Maruti: perfectly arising
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Riddle Sideways: the small self raising life seems not to be separate from life
Riddle Sideways: would be the cycle itself
Avastu Maruti: yes - it is only so in thought
Avastu Maruti: yet thought is also Life
Avastu Maruti: a running commentary and conceptualization of what is

Riddle Sideways: those are correct... (words are failing again) the going forward is working
Riddle Sideways: it is the memorys, past that is ....
Riddle Sideways: not so part of what you say
Avastu Maruti: past (memory) and future (imagination) can only arise in the present moment
Avastu Maruti: we never leave this moment, not for one second
Avastu Maruti: the appearances of change which is attributed and measured as time is only a recognition of the whole of the container of now
Avastu Maruti: time is simply a way of thinking
Avastu Maruti: a feeling of movement due to memory and imagination
Avastu Maruti: and this small self is created in this swing back and forth
Riddle Sideways: 2 parts of what you write need more exploration
Riddle Sideways: the catch-22 of the now begots past and future.
Riddle Sideways: And feeling of now/time due to memory and imagination
Riddle Sideways: both supporting each
Avastu Maruti: entirely too complex and analytical, my friend
Avastu Maruti: it's much simpler than that
Avastu Maruti: simply notice that you cannot have an experience in the past or the future
Riddle Sideways: I know, just having fun, mostly
Avastu Maruti: experiencing always is now
Avastu Maruti: and in that experiencing, even the "small self" is an experience
Avastu Maruti: even the "I" that experiences is a thought experienced
Riddle Sideways: my small self was experiencing what another small self was telling me about an ancestor that I had never met/experienced
Avastu Maruti: hahaha
Riddle Sideways: I think I have memories, therefore I ... :)
Avastu Maruti: is this ancestor named Descartes?
Riddle Sideways: hehehe

Riddle Sideways: The other point you brought up was
Riddle Sideways: this "time is simply a way of thinking"
Riddle Sideways: there are so many ways of thinking about this time idea
Avastu Maruti: thinking about time is assuming its reality
Avastu Maruti: simply notice that you never move in time
Avastu Maruti: you are the container in which these changes seem to happen
Avastu Maruti: the container itself never moves
Riddle Sideways: that makes it much easier to substitute definitions of time
Riddle Sideways: container stays the same
Riddle Sideways: the changes are just different
Riddle Sideways: reflections of the shadows of 3 sticks
Riddle Sideways: sorry, am still stuck on something Pema wrote in a group email
Riddle Sideways: the thoughts of how the changes in the container
Riddle Sideways: are the time
Riddle Sideways: thoughts
Avastu Maruti: we might, if we're open and honest, see that everything we know is an experience
Avastu Maruti: the only way we know anything is through experiencing of it
Avastu Maruti: so the only way we know the small self is as an experience
Avastu Maruti: we experience the small self, the contraction
Avastu Maruti: the idea of "me" is an experience
Avastu Maruti: can you find the ultimate experiencer?
Riddle Sideways: very great question
Riddle Sideways: was stuck on the piling of many experiences upon each other
Riddle Sideways: the learning of new experiences from other experiences
Riddle Sideways: once again brings in "previous" and memory
Avastu Maruti: the ultimate experiencer can only be that "container" or that "space" in which these changes come and go
Avastu Maruti: that ultimate experiencer itself is not an experience
Avastu Maruti: it is experiencing itself, the activity of knowing
Avastu Maruti: vast and timeless awareness
Riddle Sideways: a knowing in an all knowing, within an all is known?
Avastu Maruti: the knower and the known are relative subject and object, creations in thought/concept
Avastu Maruti: the knowing is primary, the substratum of all experience
Avastu Maruti: the screen on which the movie of now is playing

Riddle Sideways: and Being would be the container or the experiencer?
Avastu Maruti: Being is another word, a pointer to THAT which you are
Avastu Maruti: the "space" in which the relative comes and goes
Avastu Maruti: Being, Oneness, God, Self
Avastu Maruti: all labels for that which cannot be described or contained by a word
Avastu Maruti: yet is evident and intimately known
Avastu Maruti: closer than your own face
Avastu Maruti: simplicity itself
Riddle Sideways: and the contridictons flow away
Avastu Maruti: contradictions appear and disappear while you remain before, during and after
Avastu Maruti: perfect and totally free

Avastu and I think very much alike and agree on so much that it is hard to keep conversation going.  The only traction I find is to explore the edges of chaos and complexity against his reduction and simplicity.

In the next section the bolding is added by me.

Riddle Sideways: there is the one, all, being, G-d, self, construct
Riddle Sideways: and all is good
Riddle Sideways: then there is a split to a digital world
Riddle Sideways: be it subject/verb
Riddle Sideways: or you/me
Avastu Maruti: yes
Riddle Sideways: and there becomes a digital computer built of bits, bytes, teraflops
Avastu Maruti: hahaha
Riddle Sideways: we simplify to conceptualizing about just the one and/or the first digital split
Avastu Maruti: yes!
Riddle Sideways: but there be billions and billions (thank you Carl Sagen)
Riddle Sideways: of bits flipping all the construct
Avastu Maruti: the appearance is a million billion reference points
Avastu Maruti: relativity is necessary for the world to appear
Avastu Maruti: yet it is never separated from the totality itself
Avastu Maruti: like light through a prism
Riddle Sideways: Being's presentation has appearance
Avastu Maruti: Consciousness is the prism
Riddle Sideways: a million billion pixels
Riddle Sideways: on the big screen of ... [life?]
Avastu Maruti: hahaha
Avastu Maruti: yes!
Riddle Sideways: the little "i" appreciates the presence
Riddle Sideways: of the appearance
Avastu Maruti: yes, of course
Avastu Maruti: the appearance is a celebration of Life
Riddle Sideways: full circle
Avastu Maruti: yet when identified as a small separated part, only a "pixel", then suffering comes
Avastu Maruti: the trouble seems to start with the primary thought "I AM"
Avastu Maruti: the first separation from the totality
calhau0 Karu: hi
Avastu Maruti: then it is abstracted into I AM this and that

Riddle Sideways: Hi Calhauo
Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
Riddle Sideways: the little pixel that was
calhau0 Karu: are you in a midle of something
Riddle Sideways: we are about done, calhauo
Riddle Sideways: I need to go, but
Riddle Sideways: this is a group that meets here
Riddle Sideways: every 6 hours

calhau0 Karu: can one of you explain me how can i get a job?
Riddle Sideways: called "Play as Being"
Avastu Maruti: hahaha!
calhau0 Karu: i'm new arround here
Riddle Sideways: you can read more at playasbeing.org
Riddle Sideways: there are good summaries
Riddle Sideways: it is a huge wiki of what we chat here
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, I can't find the postcard to pass to you
calhau0 Karu: so bye then
Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
Riddle Sideways: yes, very sorry I need to leave too
Avastu Maruti: love to you my friends
Riddle Sideways: RL calling on the phone