2008.09.11 01:00 - Japan, Korea, and Kansas

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    That night, at 1 am, I, Pema, found a whole group already gathered in the pavilion: Gaya, Kat, Kristen, Vertigo! Since I fell into the middle of the conversation, I was not exactly sure what the threads of the first few lines were.(Gaya: just saying hello as below)

    Kat Lemieux: How are you, Gaya?
    Kat Lemieux: Hi Vertigo
    Vertigo Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hey Vertigo
    Kat Lemieux: Nice to see you again
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Kristen Lefevre: hey vertigo
    Vertigo Ethaniel: hi girls, hows is going?
    Kristen Lefevre: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles. Well thank you, yourself?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: exhausted
    Kat Lemieux: Doing better, thanks
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good exhausted I hope
    Kat Lemieux: Yesterday I managed to hand off some heavy responsibilities, so I'm feeling pretty smug
    Kat Lemieux: HI Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Kat, Vertigo, Gaya, Kristen!
    Vertigo Ethaniel: I don’t think there is ever a good exhausted :)
    Kristen Lefevre: hey Pema
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. That's good Kat.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: hi Pema, sup!
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hope there is Vertigo. Say after doing something one enjoys, ie gardening?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yea, that’s true
    Vertigo Ethaniel: and it feels pretty good to just sit back and calm oneself down
    Kat Lemieux: Yep!
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: hope I didn’t interrupt a deep discussion
    Kat Lemieux: No, people were just greeting one another
    Kristen Lefevre: we were just discussing hellos
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: (and waiting seemingly endless for SL to rezzzz)
    Kat Lemieux: ;-) That could be a long wait
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Kristen Lefevre: lol, might be your network Pema
    Pema Pera: you're all still grey for me, with grey balls for cushions on your laps
    Pema Pera: could be
    Gaya Ethaniel: Again sitting in a coffee shop by an underground station Pema?
    Pema Pera: but file transfer is fast otherwise
    Pema Pera: no, this time in a library on a hill
    Gaya Ethaniel: Ah
    Kat Lemieux: Ah, it's the hill that's doing it
    Pema Pera: in Shizuoka
    Vertigo Ethaniel: Japan is supposed to have amazing internet connections
    Pema Pera: halfway between Tokyo and Nagoya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Somewhat mixed I've heard Vertigo. Isn't it Pema?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: Don’t suppose you are taking pics? :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: they do have fiber almost everywhere
    Gaya Ethaniel: My ex-colleagues working in Japan complained a lot about Internet connection once they got used to using Internet in Korea.
    Pema Pera: whereas I, living in Manhattan, still have to wait for fiber . . . .
    Kristen Lefevre: I'll be back in a bit, sorry
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure

    From Japan to Korea to Kansas . . . .

    Kat Lemieux: The only place I've seen universal fiber is in -- get this -- rural NE Kansas
    Pema Pera: yes, Korea seems to be about the best connected country
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's good and bad... how Internet is used in Korea because of such availabilities
    Pema Pera: how so?
    Kat Lemieux: None of the big telcos would serve the area, so some enterprising person started a local co-op. Not only great service, but low prices, too!
    Pema Pera: great, Kat!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well everything is connected but Korea is very contained in a way in terms of Internet. Google has has difficulties dominating the market for example. That's one thing.
    Kat Lemieux: Yeah, only trouble is, we're across the river from there. But our cable here is pretty good, so I'm not unhappy
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. That's good Kat
    Vertigo Ethaniel: Pema, does the library have a name?
    Pema Pera: I presume so :-)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: I suppose it’s/m not one you can read? :)
    Pema Pera: oh sure
    Pema Pera: I just have to get up and walk to where I can see the name
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Kat Lemieux: Speaking of Japan and Korea, I'm looking for people fluent in one or both of those languages and English who wouldn't mind doing some volunteer work translating
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: gaya, you stole faenik!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure Kat. I speak a little Japanese also but only conversational. Did some translation work before.
    Faenik points to Gaya, his current mode of transport.
    Kat Lemieux: Also, Chinese (traditional and simplified), Arabic, Nederlands, Swedish and Russian
    Gaya Ethaniel: Will ask around Kat.
    Kat Lemieux: This might be a little tough -- it's technical stuff.
    Pema Pera: 静岡県立中央図書館 is the name, Gaya
    Kat Lemieux: Documentation of our exhibits at the International Spaceflight Museum
    Gaya Ethaniel: Oh one of main library then Pema

    Indeed! Gaya must have noticed the characters for "central", 中央.

    Kat Lemieux: The good part is that the entries are usually not too long
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure Kat but can I start helping you next week. Atm I need to finish up some stuff for PaB.
    Pema Pera: yes, Gaya
    Vertigo Ethaniel: unreadable to me :/
    Kat Lemieux: Wonderful, Gaya! Thanks!
    Pema Pera: central library for Shizuoka Prefecture
    Kat Lemieux: I'll put you in touch with Opal, who controls the accounts on our wiki where the docs are.
    Pema Pera: Kat, I could do some Dutch translations, if you like
    Gaya Ethaniel: Was going to give this note card where you can get a translator, Vertigo
    Kat Lemieux: Wonderful! I was hoping you'd say that ;-)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: weee
    Pema Pera: And welcome, Vertigo, as our latest guardian :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. Yes welcome and good luck Vertigo.
    Kat Lemieux: Congratulations, Vertigo!
    Vertigo Ethaniel celebrates
    Gaya offers a round of champagne.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: 静岡県立中央図書館
    Vertigo Ethaniel: hm
    Kat Lemieux: You can celebrate acquiring responsibilities, and I celebrate shedding some!
    Pema Pera: yes, that is the name
    Pema Pera: hehe, kat!
    Faenik pokes Gaya. Bit early to drink, don't you think?
    why not? (‘fake Faenik’ of Pema)
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Kat Lemieux: Chgampagne does that to some people, Gaya
    Pema Pera: Vertigo, did you accept membership in playasbeinghere?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: sure did
    Pema Pera: ah! I have to refresh, I see, okay!

    After Vertigo had been invited to become a guardian, I had offered him membership in the SL guardian group playasbeinghere, but I could only find his name there after I refreshed my group window.

    Pema Pera: keep forgetting that
    Pema Pera: Did your translator work, Vertigo, for the library name?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: working on it
    Faenik: indeed?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: sneezing too hang on
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
    Kat Lemieux: bless you!
    Pema Pera: (old Chinese saying, Vertigo, "sneezing to hang on"?)
    Pema Pera wonders what Vertigo is translating
    Faenik: 'Bless me.'
    Gaya Ethaniel: What's that saying about Pema? (Gaya really thought there is such a saying doh!)
    Kat Lemieux: ;-)
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Kat Lemieux enjoys watching the circular joke
    Pema Pera wondering, not having answers . . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: Oh I had a break through to share btw
    Pema Pera: yes?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: blah
    Pema Pera: ?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: think I’m coming down with a cold
    Gaya Ethaniel: I've recently talked about... (oh now I need to change my group tag)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Aww...
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Gaya Ethaniel: About how I used PaB exercises to 'escape' from looking into my emotions/thoughts
    Gaya Ethaniel: Especially doing ESBS
    Gaya Ethaniel: Last night, I overcame this fear of the blankness (babbled about this a lot in the past at PaB)
    Gaya Ethaniel: By doing a sitting while being angry. That was a break through.
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Gaya?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well when I started meditation back in 02-03, I used to use it to calm myself down but wasn't able to 'observe' myself
    Gaya Ethaniel: That led me to feeling numb/flat for about 5 years after.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Because by just calming myself down, seem that I suppressed my thoughts/emotions.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: I think I know what you mean
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema, Kat, Vertigo, Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: This I overcame a few months ago
    Vertigo Ethaniel: hi fael!
    Kat Lemieux: Hi Fael
    Pema Pera: Hi Fael!

    Fael joined us.

    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Pema Pera: I'm glad to hear that, Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: And I found myself doing the same with PaB exercises but I noticed pretty quick this time to stop myself repeating.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: I came here to be half afk while I make myself some breakfast :P
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure Fael
    Gaya Ethaniel: So when I realised myself 'escaping' by 9 sec... that was a first break. Last night when I got to 'observe' anger while sitting without fear of doing meditation... another big break
    Gaya Ethaniel: Could you say more Vertigo?
    Pema Pera: Meditation can mean so many things to so many people . . . it is often portrayed as a kind of just calming the mind -- but calming and suppressing thoughts can be very close.
    Pema Pera: or suppressing emotions
    Vertigo Ethaniel: I often feel emotionless, or flat, I think it’s more common than you might think
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Pema. At times it's good to meditate to calm down but not helpful to meditate just for that
    Kat Lemieux: what are your thoughts on using meditation to handle physical pain?
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I do that at dentist Kat
    Kat Lemieux: I was thinking more of chronic pain than episodic, but I guess that would work, too
    Gaya Ethaniel: I've met Buddhists who have chronic illness and found meditation helpful
    Pema Pera: There are so many forms of meditation, Kat, it would be like asking "is doing sport good for X" -- there are many kinds of sports
    Kat Lemieux: ;-) True
    Kat Lemieux: So, maybe I should try to be more specific?
    Pema Pera: By and large the benefits of meditation are side effects -- sometimes very nice side effects though

    Back to the PaB explorations.

    Kat Lemieux: "Would the 9-second practice perhaps be useful for someone trying to cope with chronic pain?"
    Pema Pera: although there are specific practices aimed at specific effects
    Pema Pera: Well, it may well help, Kat
    Pema Pera: but more as a side effect
    Pema Pera: if you become more at ease with what is
    Pema Pera: everything acquire more "ease"
    Pema Pera: acquires
    Kat Lemieux: I see what you mean
    Pema Pera: dropping what you have to see what you are is the aim of the 9-sec, in a nut shell
    Pema Pera: and pain is what you have
    Pema Pera: but often feels like it is what you are
    Kat Lemieux: Or what has you
    Pema Pera: and to learn to dis-identify is a very good thing
    Pema Pera: yes, indeed!
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Gaya Ethaniel: I can cope with physical pain better now... since I saw the limit of how much I can 'control' my physical entity yesterday
    Gaya Ethaniel: Always knew that bodies have involuntary movements, learnt at school but 'seeing' it make all the difference.
    Gaya Ethaniel: That dis-identifying is something I could use for the experience I had yesterday Pema
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not complete detachment but 'stepping aside' from my body
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Gaya?
    Faenik asks Gaya to stop repeating herself at various sessions.
    fake Faenik reminds Pema that he has to leave for dinner early today
    Gaya Ethaniel: Er... just that I 'saw' myself blinking Pema. Most of my childhood and early adulthood, I detached myself from my body. Then since starting meditation, I start identifying with my mind/body but perhaps too attached. From yesterday, I am able to wear this body lightly
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles, hearing ‘fake Faenik’ again.
    Pema Pera: That's great, Gaya, glad to hear that.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you Pema. I'm very happy also.
     Vertigo Ethaniel: yes, I’m currently acutely aware of my body, especially my breathing and my heartbeat
    Pema Pera: Finding a balance is always the hardest thing.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: so I understand that completely
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.

    Time for me to go.

    Pema Pera: Well, my friends here in Shizuoka are looking to see when I will join them for dinner -- I told them I would be busy for half an hour :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your dinner Pema. Pleasure talking to you.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Vertigo Ethaniel: I bet your dinner will be yummy
    Pema Pera: thank you!
    Kat Lemieux: Bon appetit!
    Pema Pera: yeah, I'm sure
    Faenik: could be
    Pema Pera: ready for a beer too, it's been very hot and humid here
    Pema Pera: thank you all!
    Vertigo Ethaniel: see ya later
    Pema Pera: Gaya, perhaps you can send me the chat log later and/or put it up on the wiki, for the rest of this session (I'm the goc)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure Pema. Good evening
    Pema Pera: see you all soon again!
    Kat Lemieux: 'Bye!
    Fael Illyar waves Pema goodbye
    Kat Lemieux: I think I'm going to go get a cup of tea. It was good to see you all!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Lovely seeing you again Kat. Let's catch up soon about the translation project. Good day.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Kat Lemieux: Yes, I'll definitely be in touch about that, thanks!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Pleasure
    Kat Lemieux: See you all later!
    Vertigo Ethaniel: oh bye kat!
    Vertigo Ethaniel gets distracted
    Gaya Ethaniel: Me too no worries Vertigo
    Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps you need some good rest for that cold
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes the couch is looking amazing at the moment.  Ok yup yup, time for couch
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Take care Vertigo
    Fael Illyar: See you later, Vertigo :)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: namaste
    Vertigo Ethaniel: thanks guys, see ya later
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
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