2008.09.14 19:00 - Threads

Rowan Masala was the guardian.  Adelene's pop gun contributed to the conversation occasionally as well.

doug Sosa: hi adelene

 

Adelene Dawner: hi :)

 

doug Sosa: hi.

 

Rowan Masala: oh! are there people here?

 

Threedee Shepherd: hi

 

Rowan Masala: I can't see anyone

 

Rowan Masala: did I sit on someone?

 

Adelene Dawner: You're ok, Rowan.

 

Rowan Masala: ah, I see you now, Adelene

 

Rowan Masala: and Doug

 

Rowan Masala: and Adams

 

doug Sosa: another beautiful dress.

 

Adams Rubble: Hello Doug, Adelene, Rowan, and Threedee :)

 

Adams Rubble: ty Doug

 

Adelene Dawner: ^.^ Hi, all.

 

Rowan Masala: Hello 3D

 

Adams Rubble: Adelene, I wanted you to know you helped me last night

 

Adelene Dawner: oh?

 

Adams Rubble: It wasn't quite the way you were seeing it

 

Threedee Shepherd: Rowan, you are still only a pre-rez cloud on my screen

 

Adams Rubble: but you helped me begin to see my actions

 

Rowan Masala: hello, Pia

 

Adams Rubble: In my case from last week. It was very revealing :)

 

Adams Rubble: Hello Pia :)

 

Adelene Dawner: Good ^.^

 

Rowan Masala: yes, 3D, I didn't even know there were others here when I first came

 

Adelene Dawner: I had an interesting followup, though.

 

Rowan Masala: taking forever to rezz tonight

 

Threedee Shepherd: hi pia

 

Pia Iger: Hi, friends:-)

 

Rowan Masala: Adams, can you give us some background on what you and Adelene are discussing?

 

Adelene Dawner: I got to work today and discovered that I'd accidentally left the sink running all night from when I left something in it to soak - came about that close to flooding the bathroom. Oops.

 

Adelene Dawner: Oh...

 

Adelene Dawner: I spent yesterday 'running on autopilot' to see what'd happen if I did so - just letting whatever thoughts sufaced, surface, and not acting on them, just letting whatever actions happened happen instead.

 

Rowan Masala nods

 

Adams Rubble: and I have been watching my thoughts but never considered watching my actions

 

Threedee Shepherd: so the sink-overflow protector hole functioned?

 

Adams Rubble: when I looked back over last week, I was able to see weaknesses in a new detached light

 

Adelene Dawner: I don't think that sink has one. One of my co-workers found it when the water was about an inch or two from the top.

 

Threedee Shepherd: oooops

 

Adelene Dawner: Indeed.

 

Adams Rubble: whew!

 

Rowan Masala: someone was watching over you, then

 

Threedee Shepherd: POOR sink design

 

Adelene Dawner: Something like that, anyway.

 

Rowan Masala: Adams, what was different about the way you saw weakness?

 

Adams Rubble: Rowan, I saw the weaknesses were in my "self". I see that I can change them or avoid situations where they are evident

 

Rowan Masala nods

 

Rowan Masala: and what helped with that observation?

 

Adams Rubble: Adelene put the idea into my head to watch actions

 

Rowan Masala: ahh

 

Rowan Masala: hello Neela

 

Adams Rubble: Hello Neela :)

 

Pia Iger: there are two threads going on here. one from Adams, one from Adelene. want to follow up on both.

 

Neela Blaisdale: Hi Adams and Rowan

 

Pia Iger: Hi, Neela

 

Neela Blaisdale: And Adelene

 

Neela Blaisdale: There's Pia and Threedee too

 

doug Sosa: hi.

 

Rowan Masala smiles

 

Threedee Shepherd: hi

 

Rowan Masala: yes, a big group of guardians tonight

 

Neela Blaisdale: Hi Doug

 

Rowan Masala: Pia, you were saying you wanted to follow up on both...

 

Pia Iger: let's focus on Adams first. She usually leave early.

 

Adams Rubble: :)

 

Adams Rubble gets tired at night

 

Rowan Masala nods, smiling

 

Pia Iger: but sounds like a big realization, Adams? of your actions.

 

Adams Rubble: Hello Mongo

 

Rowan Masala: Hello Mongo

 

Mongo McGinnis: hi

 

Neela Blaisdale: Hi Mongo

 

Rowan Masala: Mongo, I don't think we've met

 

Adams Rubble: Yes, it something new to observe

 

Rowan Masala: Are you new to this group?

 

doug Sosa: :)

 

Pia Iger: Mongo been here.

 

Popgun (drag onto yourself) whispers: Use Mouselook (press 'M') to shoot me.

 

Popgun (drag onto yourself) whispers: Choose 'Detach' from my menu to take me off.

 

Rowan Masala: k

 

Mongo McGinnis: have been to zen retreat bu not here on reg basis

 

Rowan Masala: There are the chimes

 

Rowan Masala: could we pause for 9 seconds, please?

 

Popgun (drag onto yourself): Could not find animation ''.

 

Rowan Masala: thank you

 

Neela Blaisdale: Hi pema

 

Rowan Masala: oh, welcome Pema

 

Pema Pera waiting for 9 seconds to say "hello" :)

 

Threedee Shepherd: hi pema

 

Adelene Dawner: 'lo Pema

 

Rowan Masala smiles

 

Adams Rubble: Hello Pema :)

 

Pia Iger waves.

 

doug Sosa: :)

 

Mongo McGinnis: lost a couple of people interested in zen tonight

 

Pema Pera: good seeing y'all!

 

Rowan Masala: lost a couple of people?

 

Pema Pera: didn't mean to interrupt you, Rowan, with the 9-sec !

 

Rowan Masala: glad you're here, Pema

 

Rowan Masala: what do you mean, lost them, Mongo?

 

Mongo McGinnis: talking to people over at hakarie

 

Mongo McGinnis: interested in buddhism

 

Pia Iger: seems we have difficulty of many people, several threads going on.

 

Rowan Masala: I think we can let it flow for a a bit, Pia, and see what happens :)

 

Mongo McGinnis: said to listen read and explore but do what they feel is right and goof for themselvles is the most important part

 

Mongo McGinnis: good not goof

 

Rowan Masala: perhaps one and the same

 

Mongo McGinnis: i tend to turn more people away that towards by saying do what they feel and think is right

 

Rowan Masala: I don't think that's you turning them away, Mongo

 

Rowan Masala: maybe that's a concept they need to grow comfortable with for a bit

 

Mongo McGinnis: i just usually get back negative not positive

 

Rowan Masala: so, we were talking about self-observation, specifically Adelene's suggestion to Adams that she observe actions as well as thoughts

 

Rowan Masala: Adelene, is that something you also do?

 

Mongo McGinnis: sounds great

 

Adams Rubble: Goodnight all. It was good to see you :)

 

Neela Blaisdale: Night Adams

 

Rowan Masala: ah, goodnight, Adams

 

Adelene Dawner: Yes, I always observe my actions.

 

Threedee Shepherd: nite adams

 

Mongo McGinnis: any good readings on karma

 

Neela Blaisdale: How did the topic of self observation come up

 

Mongo McGinnis: need to learn more

 

Adelene Dawner is having a lot of trouble following the conversation at the moment, sorry...

 

Mongo McGinnis: please fill us in soory for interferring

 

Rowan Masala: Oh, no. My fault for letting things run amok. Perhaps Pia can help us pull the threads together

 

Adelene Dawner: But self-observation came up at yesterday's meeting; I brought it up because I'd (rather randomly) wound up doing the experiment that I mentioned earlier of running on autopilot for a day and observing what actions happened if I disengaged my thoughts from my actions.

 

Rowan Masala nods

 

Pia Iger: yes, I am interested to know how the experiment went?

 

Adelene Dawner: It was interesting. I wound up doing a lot more things than I thought I would - I'd expected to be purely reacting to my surroundings but I wound up having a fairly normal day, actually.

 

Rowan Masala: and what did that tell you about your actions?

 

Adelene Dawner shrugs.

 

Adelene Dawner: There's more going on there than I thought - there are other triggers besides thoughts and my physical environment, I think. But I'm not sure.

 

Mongo McGinnis: i put myself out there alot and get negative results

 

Mongo McGinnis: and interesting concepts

 

Neela Blaisdale: Triggers for what Adelene?

 

Rowan Masala: 9 seconds, please...

 

Rowan Masala: thank you

 

Mongo McGinnis: breathe in and out wait

 

Mongo McGinnis: clear th mind

 

Adelene Dawner: Triggers for actions. Reasons for doing to happen.

 

Rowan Masala nods

 

Rowan Masala: how do you all trigger the 9 seconds for yourselves? and were you able to include those in your experiment, Adelene?

 

Adelene Dawner: (for that meaning of 'doing', which as Pema has mentioned is different from 'doing vs. not-doing')

 

Mongo McGinnis: wu wei?

 

Adelene Dawner: I actually don't do the nine-second meditations... my thoughts tend to run a bit too slowly for 9 seconds to be relevant to anything. I do get a few hours' worth of contemplation worked into most days, though.

 

Rowan Masala nods

 

Rowan Masala: Mongo, tell us about putting yourself out there

 

Mongo McGinnis: i tend to tal to poeple and express my views and ask them about theirs

 

Mongo McGinnis: they tend to exxpress themselves both positively and negatively

 

Mongo McGinnis: but interested on wht they think and say

 

Mongo McGinnis: i have been beaten down a few times

 

Mongo McGinnis: beccause of this

 

Mongo McGinnis: but it is all good

 

Pia Iger: interesting, I just heard in RL on Thur, someone did one day the exactly the same as Adelene, just do whatever comes naturally, she also said she accomplished a lot that day

 

Adelene Dawner: I didn't, especially, but I don't particularly value that, so...

 

Mongo McGinnis: ??? what do you mean

 

Neela Blaisdale: Goodnight all, have a good day tomorrow

 

Rowan Masala: Goodnight, Neela

 

Adelene Dawner: 'night, Neela

 

Mongo McGinnis: be well blessed be

 

Pema Pera: bye Neela!

 

Threedee Shepherd: 'nite

 

Neela Blaisdale: Bye

 

Mongo McGinnis: namaste

 

Pia Iger: bye, Neela.

 

Pia Iger: Adelene, I was responded to what you said "I wound up doing a lot more things than I thought I would"

 

Adelene Dawner: Yes, more than I thought I would... but not more than I usualy would.

 

Mongo McGinnis: i tend not to talk about hings like this because i loose people and it sounds bad

 

Pia Iger: ok, it's clearer, Adelene.

 

Pema Pera: I'm sorry, but I'll have to leave now too. -- just wanted to drop bye before going out to brunch

 

Adelene Dawner: We're a pretty friendly/accepting/open-minded group, Mongo. I don't think you're going to upset anybody.

 

Pia Iger: bye, Pema.

 

Adelene Dawner: 'night, Pema.

 

Pema Pera: good seeing you all here!

 

Rowan Masala: be well, Pema

 

Mongo McGinnis: i usually do sorry

 

Rowan Masala: hello Tara

 

Mongo McGinnis: be well

 

Tara Farmer: BONJOUR

 

Tara's translator: BONJOUR

 

Adelene Dawner: No worries, Mongo.

 

Pia Iger: don't worry, Mongo,

 

Mongo McGinnis: hi ara anything on your mind

 

Tara Farmer: me?

 

Mongo McGinnis: anyone

 

Mongo McGinnis: why not you tara

 

Rowan Masala: I'm so sorry--could I ask someone else to keep the log for the remainder of the discussion? I'm not feeling well at all...

 

Tara Farmer: i see....well its my first night in my new home in france

 

Mongo McGinnis: nice how does it feel

 

Tara Farmer: and i didn't sleep at all

 

Pia Iger: ok, if there is anything more. Rowan. I will leave soon too.

 

Tara Farmer: lol

 

Rowan Masala: thank you Pia

 

Rowan Masala: goodnight all