2008.09.17 01:00 - Progress to where?

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    That night, at 1 am SLT, all was quiet at the pavilion. I, Pema, settled in, making myself comfortable, and watched the landscape for about a quarter of an hour. Just after the next PaB rang, Fael appeared.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Fael!
    Pema Pera: That was a fun session yesterday
    Fael Illyar: Yes, quite, it ended quite fast afte you left though
    Pema Pera: Would you like to take up where we left of, before we switched to Japanese :) ?
    Fael Illyar: no, that's clear now ... the only thing that was in the way of realizing what's what were my fears.
    Fael Illyar got quite some kicking around yesterday that helped to deal with them.
    Pema Pera: Glad to hear that you feel that you made progres -- is that an accurate way to say it?
    Fael Illyar: in a way it's progress but ... progress to where?
    Pema Pera: yes, it is an ambiguous word, like most words :)
    Pema Pera: perhaps progress to seeing what really is, Being?
    Fael Illyar: it certainly helps with that some.
    Pema Pera: Have you played with the APAPB sentence?
    Fael Illyar: I've somehow not found much sense in those excersizes ... and looks like you're putting out one I haven't heard of yet :)
    Fael Illyar: or then just can't recall
    Fael Illyar: what's that short for?
    Pema Pera: Appreciate the Presence of Appearance as a Presentation by Being
    Pema Pera: I've talked about that in a few sessions, a few weeks ago
    Fael Illyar: Ah, that, I sort of do that naturally a lot of the time.
    Pema Pera: but of course, no reason to explore them unless you find them interesting
    Pema Pera: as for the name: we can call them exercise, practice, experiments, explorations
    Pema Pera: and each label gives quite different expectations, I think
    Pema Pera: personally I like explorations best, since it has the fewest possible ways to understand them in more negative ways, I think
    Pema Pera: the least chance to see them as a kind of manipulation toward particular results
    Fael Illyar: the exploration is also the one that differs the most for different people.
    Pema Pera: yes, perhaps; yet if we all explore reality, each on our own way, and go deeper and deeper, we may converge more than we expected . . . .
    Pema Pera: if different people explore Paris, say, they may come up with very different discriptions, but there will also be recognizable similarities and overlap
    Fael Illyar: Of course :)
    Fael Illyar: matches quite well really, since it's not the same part of Being each of us explores.
    Pema Pera: yes and no :-)
    Fael Illyar: yes, it's like fractals. It's all there in each place but ordered differently

    Alas, a quarter of an hour went by fast.

    Pema Pera: Well, I'm afraid I have to leave again -- sorry to be so short, but it's 1:30 SLT, and it's a busy afternoon for me here.
    Pema Pera: Thanks for stopping by, Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Pema :)
    Pema Pera: you too, Fael!
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