2008.09.17 19:00 - A welcoming

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    stevenaia Michinaga was Guardian this evening and the comments are from stevenaia

    Maxine Walden: hi, Steve
    Maxine Walden: hi, Adelene
    Adelene Dawner: hi :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi, I sat down and now I;m in one of those specail twightzone places in Sl (i.e. I can;t see anything or anybody)
    Maxine Walden: ah, I can see you, steve, you do look quiet, but fully in physical place
    stevenaia Michinaga: this should pass in a moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, I;m back
    Maxine Walden: good!
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Maxine Walden: nice to enjoy the silence
    stevenaia Michinaga: can you tell me about this book Adelene?
    Maxine Walden: Adelene, just wanting to mention several days ago I said i might need your help in building something; well, shortly after that Storm helped me out, so I did not need to call on your help. Wanted to thank you anyway.
    Adelene Dawner: It's the Principa Discordia, Steve. A holy book, in a sense. I'll find you a web page to explain better.
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;ll do that
    Adelene Dawner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
    Maxine Walden: Principa Discordia. Sounds sinister


    I was logged off for a moment, the log was relayed to me and incorporated into the wiki

    Maxine Walden: ah, Steve is back
    Adelene Dawner:  Could be, Maxine. Depends on your perspective. 
    Maxine Walden: oh, he went poof. 
    Maxine Walden: Do you have a magic ball of light over there?
    Adelene Dawner: sometimes ^.^
    Rowan Masala: hi Adelene and Maxine 
    Maxine Walden: Hi, Rowan
    Adelene Dawner: Hi, Rowan. ^.^

    Albertus Urvilan joined us yesterday for the first time and returned again

    Albertus Urvilan: Good day all
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Rowan
    Rowan Masala: Greetings, Albertus
    Maxine Walden: hi, Albertus
    Rowan Masala: Hi Steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Alburtus, welcome back
    Albertus Urvilan: Thanks
    Adelene Dawner: I hope Corvus comes by. I have a topic, but it's most relevant to her, and I don't want to have to repeat myself.
    Maxine Walden: Adelene, what is that ball of light all about?
    Maxine Walden: oh, and you are dressed as a crow!
    stevenaia Michinaga: does anyone else have anything in particular to begin with tonight?
    Adelene Dawner: It's a typing animation, Max, instead of the normal invisible-keyboard one.
    Maxine Walden: thanks
    Albertus Urvilan: I'm enjoying myself here ... but I am concerned that SL does not quite live up to its promise. The technical issues seem to overwhelm it.
    stevenaia Michinaga: Albertus, did you get a chance to peruse the Wiki of our group, I;d be interested in any thoughts you might have
    Albertus Urvilan: Yes, I did have a look.
    stevenaia Michinaga: technical issues are like the weather, you get used to it or you move south
    Rowan Masala: or North, as the case may be
    Adelene Dawner grins at Steve . "Good way of putting it."
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, we could begin another discussion about patience
    Albertus Urvilan: as I mentioned at the close of last night, it's not at all different in spirit to one-breath zazen, or to gatha practice.
    Albertus Urvilan: It seems to me.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have heard similar comments from people, I unfortunately have no background to compare it to
    stevenaia Michinaga: can you explain the expected outcome of such practices, Albertus?

    Maxine Walden had to leave

    Maxine Walden: I am sorry my friends, I am getting an urgent RL call and will have to go. Sorry to leave so soon.
    Maxine Walden: bye for now
    Adelene Dawner: 'night, Max.
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for joining us Max
    Rowan Masala: goodnight Max
    Albertus Urvilan: Bye.
    Albertus Urvilan: I think that one difference may be that a "second" is a thoretical unit of measure,
    stevenaia Michinaga: there seems to be a bit of lag tonight
    Albertus Urvilan: where a breath is a "felt" unit, or experienced one different in each moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: makes seconds appear as minutes
    Albertus Urvilan: And a gatha is atha is a mindfulness verse.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I agree that a breath is a special "unit of time"
    stevenaia Michinaga: I use it often to "change" my perception of a moment
    Rowan Masala: I'm not sure how others measure the 9 seconds--I don't know that anyone actually times it with a clock
    Rowan Masala: perhaps Pema does
    Rowan Masala: for me, I take a couple of breaths
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you do it often Rowan
    Rowan Masala: no--mostly just when I'm here and the chimes sound
    Albertus Urvilan: Yes, wll, in spirit it wouldn't matter nine of "what" . It's the returning is the issue.
    Rowan Masala nods
    Rowan Masala: what's your background with meditation, Albertus?
    Rowan Masala: you seem very knowledgeable
    stevenaia Michinaga: my sound doesn't seem to be working, could you let me know when the gong sounds? (although I do hear the birds)
    Rowan Masala: yes, Steven

    The conversation turned to a series of rapid fire subjects, clothes, gathas and SL vs RL time, cooking (bread in particular) yoga then back to meditation.. love the fluidity of this place.

    Albertus Urvilan: It's just because of my fabulous new robes.
    Rowan Masala laughs
    Rowan Masala: and they are fabulous indeed
    stevenaia Michinaga: you shop quickly here
    Albertus Urvilan: My avatar started as a callow youth two days ago. My journey has been slightly more compressed here in SL than in RL...
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is a sence of SLyears being shorter by various facturs, like dog years
    Rowan Masala: at one point it seemed to be that a week in SL equaled about six months of RL time
    Rowan Masala: but less now
    Rowan Masala: I think that was when I was recovering and was here all the time
    Albertus Urvilan: Do you know any of TNH's gathas?
    Rowan Masala: I'm a little familiar with him
    Rowan Masala: a friend gave me a set of cards of his once
    Albertus Urvilan: Nice
    Albertus Urvilan: I do feel that when I meditate more, I come back to it throughout the day all the more often and easily. It does seem to take that dedicated time on the cushion for me, though.
    Rowan Masala nods
    Rowan Masala: need to check on bread--brb
    stevenaia Michinaga: I feel the same about yoga
    Albertus Urvilan: Nice.
    Albertus Urvilan: Bring back some for everyone.
    Rowan Masala smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: the more you do it, the more you get from it
    Albertus Urvilan: Yes, especially yoga.
    Rowan Masala: like any good practice
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Albertus Urvilan: Practice takes practice
    Rowan Masala: chime
    Rowan Masala: 9 seconds, please
    Albertus Urvilan: BONG , there it is
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
    Rowan Masala: all that happened for me that time was that I got annoyed with the owl--I think I must be cranky tonight
    Albertus Urvilan: It's nice, this mini-session of meditation.
    Albertus Urvilan: LOL I noticed the digital owl.
    Albertus Urvilan: Not different from getting annoyed at the leaf blower
    Rowan Masala: Hello Siobhan
    Rowan Masala: oh, leaf blowers are the worst

    Siobhan Fearne was outside  the pavillion and joined us.  Another new face welcomed in the PaB way, with open arms.

    Siobhan Fearne: hello Rowan. i'm sorry for interrupting.
    Rowan Masala: not interrupting at all
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to join us
    Siobhan Fearne: thank you. :-)
    Albertus Urvilan: But whether in the real world or in the virtual, however it emanates, the mind is the same.
    Rowan Masala: I'll never forget the time our university president was on the library porch reading from Walden for the group, and the lead blowers started and drowned him out completely. the irony was beautiful
    stevenaia Michinaga: have yo been to our discussion group before Siobhan?
    Rowan Masala nods
    Siobhan Fearne: no, i haven't.
    Rowan Masala: but reactions to stimuli here depend on your level of immersion in your avatar, I think
    stevenaia Michinaga: we record our sessions and post them to a wiki, if that;s ok
    Rowan Masala: and that would go for distractions as well, perhaps
    Siobhan Fearne: ok. :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Informatio..._in_a_Nutshell
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to review the site, we meet 4 times a day and discuss things such as the nature of ....things
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Siobhan Fearne: ok, i will. :-)
    Albertus Urvilan: I have a little issue to attend to . Maybe see ou again later! Thx all
    Rowan Masala: be well, Albertus
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for returning
    stevenaia Michinaga: Siobhan, how did you happen to find us?
    Siobhan Fearne: just chance, actually. i found the nearby area with zen and buddhist robes and was exploring the rest of the sim. :-)
    Siobhan Fearne: I've not participated in a discussion group before in SL.
    stevenaia Michinaga: although we are in a Buddist Sim, we are not religious based but represent many "thoughts"
    Siobhan Fearne: i see. but that might stimulate discussion too.
    Rowan Masala: one focus of the group is to engage in a practice called 9 second meditations
    Rowan Masala: and then to discuss with the group what happens in those
    Rowan Masala: 9 seconds every 15 minutes apparently works out to 1% of your time
    stevenaia Michinaga: we, as a group do a mini meditation... taking 9 seconds ever 15 minutesfind an awareness of being
    Siobhan Fearne: and you do it throughout your day?
    stevenaia Michinaga: this group is to discuss what we "see"
    stevenaia Michinaga: some do it more than others, of course
    Rowan Masala smiles
    Rowan Masala: no, I'm not very good with the practice
    stevenaia Michinaga: some do it with other meditations
    Siobhan Fearne: LOL
    Rowan Masala: but I do it when I'm here
    Siobhan Fearne: :-)
    Rowan Masala: we have another coming up in a couple of minutes
    stevenaia Michinaga: but the goal is to learn from other's experience, it's not a dificult practice, but as with everyhting it takes focus
    Siobhan Fearne: i'm not terribly good at meditation yet. it's hard to focus the mind. lol
    Rowan Masala: well, 9 seconds may be your answer then :)
    Siobhan Fearne: yes, it might help!
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it does take time, well, 9 seconds of time
    Siobhan Fearne: LOL
    Rowan Masala: I think the hope is that with repetition we can come to become more and more effective in those 9 seconds
    Rowan Masala: chime
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and find sour own way of seeing clearer
    Rowan Masala: so now, Siobhan, we pause for about nine seconds
    Siobhan Fearne: ok. :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes just noticing your breathings is a start
    Siobhan Fearne: great suggestion!
    stevenaia Michinaga: others have their own blogs to note their perceptions
    Rowan Masala: I find that I'm more in my body during those 9 seconds than I am a lot of the time--instead of in my head and my keyboard and my screen
    stevenaia Michinaga: much to learn from others here
    Siobhan Fearne: ok, silly question..... do you time the 9 seconds?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I find I am less in my body during those 9 seconds
    Rowan Masala: not a silly question at all, Siobhan
    Rowan Masala: we were discussing that earlier
    Rowan Masala: I don't--I just sort of pause for a few breaths
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, everyone is different
    stevenaia Michinaga: count breaths, count sheep, whatever
    Siobhan Fearne: i guess, if you actually counted, that could be a form of meditation too.
    Rowan Masala: yes!
    stevenaia Michinaga: but do you count backwards or forwards?
    Siobhan Fearne: hmmmmmm........ alternate?
    Rowan Masala: in my Buddhist meditation group in college, that was the suggestion for learning to clear our minds--counting our breaths
    Rowan Masala: it helps reign the mind in a little, at least
    Siobhan Fearne: i prefer to count forward, to the future.
    Siobhan Fearne: counting down implies an ending
    Rowan Masala: or looking toward a new beginning :)
    Siobhan Fearne: :-)
    Siobhan Fearne: i like it. And it would be easy to do throughout the day.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Iwhen ever it is convenient, unless you have a timer to remind you
    Siobhan Fearne: thank you, Rowan. :-)
    Rowan Masala smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: during the 4 daily meetings there is always someone here, so feel free to drop by
    Siobhan Fearne: very nice! :-)
    Siobhan Fearne: a little stress relief.
    Rowan Masala: oh! you didn't have to wear it! they were mostly practice for me--but it looks great on you!
    Siobhan Fearne: LOL
    Siobhan Fearne: i do love new clothes. :-)
    Rowan Masala grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: well that is a new subject for this group
    Siobhan Fearne: lol
    Rowan Masala laughs
    Siobhan Fearne: but, actually creating or building can be a form of meditation
    Rowan Masala: ah, that's a good point
    Siobhan Fearne: it takes your mind out of the day to day thoughts and helps you to focus.
    Rowan Masala nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...yes, that is what I do in RL
    Rowan Masala: I'd love to learn to build, but I haven't had the patience yet
    Siobhan Fearne: i'm just learning myself. but it's the same with creating things in rl.
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you work in a creative field in RL? if you don;t mind me asking
    Siobhan Fearne: not at all.
    Siobhan Fearne: no, i don't.
    Siobhan Fearne: i do medical transcription.
    Rowan Masala: but we all create things in RL, whether for our salaries or for hobbies or for others
    Siobhan Fearne: oh yes, i love to create things, just not on the job. lol
    Rowan Masala nods, smiling
    Rowan Masala: chime
    Rowan Masala: shall we have a last 9-seconds?
    Siobhan Fearne: what is the chime for?
    Rowan Masala: it chimes every 15 minutes
    Siobhan Fearne: ah.
    stevenaia Michinaga: a reminder
    stevenaia Michinaga: and to wake up the owl
    Siobhan Fearne: LOL
    Rowan Masala: LOL
    Rowan Masala: don't tempt me to give him sleeping pills...
    Siobhan Fearne: hahaha
    stevenaia Michinaga: well it;s been an hour and I must move on, thank you for joining us Siobhan and hope to see you agian
    Rowan Masala: good to meet you Siobhan
    Rowan Masala: take care, Adelene
    Adelene Dawner: Goodnight, Steve.
    Rowan Masala: thanks, Steven
    Siobhan Fearne: thank you very much. I've enjoyed this. :-)
    Adelene Dawner: Goodnight, Rowan
    Siobhan Fearne: i shall definitely try to come back. :-)
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