2008.09.21 01:00 - Inner fears

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    entering 1 minute before 01:00 seeing corvus adams fael and gaya already there.

    Moon Fargis: hi adams
    Quel Karillion: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Good morning everyone :)
    Moon Fargis: woww fluffy outfit

    adams weared some great fluffy clothes

    Quel Karillion: Russian clothes today?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Quel Karillion: nice one :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: prety clothes all around today.
    Adams Rubble: Thank you :)
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..including yours Moon.
    Moon Fargis: quel: where you able to follow yesterdays meditation talk at hikari ?
    Moon Fargis: thanks corvus :)
    Quel Karillion: Moon, barely :)
    Quel Karillion: just not enough attention left to make too many comments.
    Moon Fargis: ahyes well we talked about iner fears and how to get rid of them... atleast we explored some ways how we MIGHT drop them from us
    Moon Fargis: ass do i see a chatlog station there?
    Quel Karillion: a test version :)
    Quel Karillion: not automated yet :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: back
    Quel Karillion: wb :)
    Moon Fargis: ah that means?
    Adams Rubble: wb
    Moon Fargis: wb gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty
    Quel Karillion: it's recording but not sending it anywhere
    Faenik loves wells!
    Moon Fargis: so i have to open the object and take it?
    Quel Karillion: oh, Adelene's colorful ball recorders stopped appearing.
    Moon Fargis: so let us maybe explore a bit about inner fears is that is ok? So far it seems everyone got inner fears generated by some bad happenings in our life... they seem to affect us stronger when we worry about them...think about them,
    Gaya Ethaniel: brb apologies
    Faenik: could be
    Quel Karillion: Yes, that's a topic relevant to everyone :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmm
    Adams Rubble listening
    Moon Fargis: sometimes such inner fears lead to "karmic circle" where we mostly cant escape from it anymore...so i wouldl ike to knowhow you deal with your inner fears?
    Moon Fargis: maybe someone might already get over them ?
    Quel Karillion: the fastest way of getting over inner fears I know of is putting two of them at odds with each other ... or possibly one at odds with itself.
    Quel Karillion: very stressful though
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: can you talk more about how this works?
    Quel Karillion: I have two examples to relate about it.
    Moon Fargis listens
    Gaya Ethaniel: back...
    Moon Fargis: wb
    Quel Karillion: First, I know one girl who is rather depressed. Gets suicidal if she forgets to eat her pills. I eventually found that she's afraid to be "cured" of being mentally ill. Afraid of losing "being mentally ill"
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty
    Quel Karillion: eb :)
    Quel Karillion: wb :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: thanks
    Faenik: ah :)
    Quel Karillion: when I found that out, I ended up telling her to choose. Face the fear of being cured or I remove her from my friends list and stop talking altogether. I gave her a day to think about it.
    Quel Karillion: She got over it.
    Moon Fargis: ahh
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm...
    Quel Karillion: the another example is myself. Having Gaya put me through pretty much the same... just got 5 seconds to think about it though :)
    Quel Karillion: well, the fear was different though.
    Gaya Ethaniel is lost for words...
    Moon Fargis looks at the goose eg on Quels backhead "i see..."
    Quel Karillion: goose egg?
    Moon Fargis: hehe hmm *opens his dict*
    Moon Fargis: bump
    Moon Fargis: oh there are hundrests of translations.. uhh
    Quel Karillion: wb Adams :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Adams
    Moon Fargis: welt,puff,lump,dint,dent
    Quel Karillion: Ok, I get it.
    Faenik loves wells!
    Moon Fargis: hmm its amazing, i wonder why there are so many words for it..
    Adams Rubble: Sorry I crashed, would someone send me the missing chat?
    Gaya Ethaniel feels sorry for Quel's friend...
    Faenik: could be
    Moon Fargis: ahh anyway it seems getting over inner fears seems to require someone who stand outside, and helps you, i wonder if there is a way to gget over it all alone
    Quel Karillion: well, fast way does require it
    Adams Rubble: ty Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: np
    Moon Fargis: but to be true, i personally doubt that it will really works then, becasue inner fears are a product of yourself... and you often dont see them unless someone makes you realize them
    Quel Karillion: getting there without having two fears to put at odds, would need a lot of will.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods at Moon
    Quel Karillion: certainly easiest when someone else helps you with it.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Agreed Moon. => "I personally doubt that it will really works"
    Adams Rubble: I am a bit confused by what you are defining as inner fears
    Moon Fargis: ah well yesterday we described inner fears as a forgotten meadow
    Quel Karillion: fears you have but are not really properly aware of?
    Moon Fargis: started to grow with alot of painfull plants in it
    Adams Rubble: ah
    Adams Rubble: So if you do not know you have them you can't do anything about them nless you find a way to see them
    Adams Rubble: So watching ones thoughts and actions might help?
    Quel Karillion: those fears usually make you blind to their results as well
    Moon Fargis: well yes its not as easy to spot
    Quel Karillion: or more like, they have you pretending it's something else that's making you do those things
    Gaya Ethaniel accepted your inventory offer.
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.
    Moon Fargis: hmm
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Adams Rubble fears listening master took Corvi
    Moon Fargis: heh ok i see this is quiet intresting, well i have to think about that more it seems
    Quel Karillion: Interesting subject, certainly :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Adams Rubble: Since we don;t know the fears it is hard to get a gasp on the subject
    Adams Rubble wondering about her strange behavior
    Quel Karillion: it's not just not knowing. You don't want to know.
    Moon Fargis: yes knowing of them means to walk throught the meadow and hurting yourself on the spikey flowers
    Faenik: indeed?
    Adams Rubble: It would seem one would want to be very careful with someone else's inner fears
    Quel Karillion: unless they're willing to face them, it's rather risky, yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: A friend calls. See you later
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: One could be very wrong about what they are
    Moon Fargis watches his cat sleepingg on his legs
    Adams Rubble: bye Gaya
    Moon Fargis: see you later gaya
    Quel Karillion: See you later Gaya :)
    Moon Fargis: *sigh* its weekend again hehe
    Quel Karillion: the exact fear might be hard to pinpoint but it's very easy to be able to poke at it.
    Moon Fargis: well knowingg of them makes it atleast easier to handle them
    Quel Karillion: they often have their branches grown in a thick thicket around them
    Adams Rubble is thinking of Pandora's box
    Moon Fargis: brb phone
    Moon Fargis: back.. hmm pandoras box? why that?
    Adams Rubble: I guess what bothers me a little when talking about someone else's fears is that it is so easy to think it is one thing and to be completely wrong and it is something else
    Adams Rubble: Sorry, just had an image fo fears flying out left and right, Monn
    Adams Rubble: This is a tricky subject
    Quel Karillion: Truly
    Moon Fargis takes out the flyswatter

    At this point i took out my meeeega large hammer.

    Adams Rubble ducks
    Adams Rubble: That;s more than a flyswatter :)
    Quel Karillion: yes, you can swat AVs with that.
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Moon Fargis: or fears flying around
    Moon Fargis: /bup

    hitting the table with the hammer

    Adams Rubble: Moon gets serious about swatting bears
    Adams Rubble: fears
    Adams Rubble: haha
    Quel Karillion smiles.
    Adams Rubble: That would work with bears too
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Moon Fargis: yes fears fighted with love
    Moon Fargis: is also a way i think
    Adams Rubble: fighted?
    Moon Fargis: in this case yes:)
    Moon Fargis: but normally cured
    Moon Fargis points at the big red heart on this hammer
    Quel Karillion: Ah, yes, I recall being told that it's Love you use to fight fears with.
    Quel Karillion: that is, if you truly want to win
    Moon Fargis: hmm so how does this logger work quel? how do i get the log out of it ?
    Quel Karillion: that you'd need to ask Wol :)
    Moon Fargis: hum
    Moon Fargis: i dont dare to press the stop button :)
    Quel Karillion: just do the log normally and stop fearing it :P
    Moon Fargis: haha
    Moon Fargis: no i will face this fear now
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: You shouldn;t have said that Quel :)

    at this moment i hitted the auto translator with my big anti fear hammer and where able to press the stop button.

    Autologging: The recorder is OFF, the session log is closed.
    Autologging: Recording is disabled for 4 minutes, after which the next Guardian to speak will start a new session.
    Quel Karillion: /mw grins
    Autologging: This unit automatically logs 'Play as Being' sessions.
    Autologging: Recording starts when at least one Guardian is present,  and will continue until all Guardians leave.
    Autologging: Guardians may stop a session (and optionally begin the next) by touching the unit.
    Autologging: Please do NOT be concerned about the way I look, I am just a prototype! Feel free to build something that looks better. (Ask Wol Euler for a notecard, there are conditions that you should know about.)
    Moon Fargis: hmmmm
    Quel Karillion: it's probably quite close to what I outlined with about how it'll look
    Quel Karillion: UI wise that is
    Moon Fargis: seems it doesnt work so far
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
    Moon Fargis: bye:)
    Quel Karillion: See you later Adams :)
    Quel Karillion: ok, stop session here?
    Moon Fargis: yes hehe i destroyd the autologger so we better run!
    Autologging: The recorder is ON, this session is being logged for PaB!
    Quel Karillion: haha, it doesn't agree with you on that :)
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Moon Fargis: there is he is again back to life but no log inside
    Quel Karillion: yeah
    Quel Karillion: Wol's waiting for me to put the cgi-script together to receive the lines
    Moon Fargis: ahhhh
    Quel Karillion: but ... what did you mean with the lump on the back of my head?
    Quel Karillion: I can see what it is but ... not why
    Moon Fargis: the kick gaya gave you :)
    Quel Karillion: Ah, few days past
    Moon Fargis: yep i think sometimes we just need a kick
    Quel Karillion: Yep
    Moon Fargis: or a bump with a hammer:)
    Quel Karillion: that might help too.
    Quel Karillion: Ok, see you later :)

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