2008.09.30 07:00 - Celebrate Continuum

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    This morning the avatar Riddle Sideways was Guardian on Call and added these comments.

     Last night started Rosh Hashanah (Jewish new year and beginning of the days of Awe and reflection).  I was in a comtemplative, awestuck (awe-full?), prayer, celebrate, reflective, traditional, etc. space.  This was exactly the right time/space to have Avastu to chat with exclusively.

    I really apreciate where it goes toward the end.

    Riddle Sideways: good morning Avastu
    Avastu Maruti: love to you my friend
    Riddle Sideways: very long time since we have met
    Avastu Maruti: seems that way
    Riddle Sideways: I hope that time has been good to you
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    PaB Listener Master: Recording has started!
    Just in case the auto-recorder is working I start yer up. 
    Avastu starts right into the deep philosophy, so I am off to telling my stories.

    Avastu Maruti: whatever arises, arises perfectly
    Riddle Sideways: and what has been arising lately?
    Avastu Maruti: nothing at all
    Avastu Maruti: and you?
    Riddle Sideways: this group has brought up many thoughts, ideas and arisings
    Riddle Sideways: so that when I went to temple last night
    Riddle Sideways: there was a slightly different openness
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Riddle Sideways: many years there is the feeling of having heard it before
    Riddle Sideways: and there we were hearing it anew again
    Riddle Sideways: there was this rabbi that got up and told us stories
    Riddle Sideways: stories of the daily lives that members of my religion have done, been and celebrated for thousands of years
    Avastu Maruti: it is a wonderful tradition
    Judism has deep tradions.  As anybody that has seen "Fiddler on the Roof" would know.  Today, Tradition did not seem to convene the power of Continuum.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, tradition, but more ...
    Riddle Sideways: not sure how to put it
    Riddle Sideways: tradition, although a really good word, does not nail it fully
    Riddle Sideways: to stand in a place saying the same words that hundreds of generations have already said
    Riddle Sideways: and will say for generations to come
    Riddle Sideways: being just a link in that chain
    Riddle Sideways: celebrating/rejoicing with parents over the birth of a child
    Riddle Sideways: celebrating with bride and groom
    Riddle Sideways: rejoicing/remembering all those that were parts of our livies once
    Riddle Sideways: being joyious that the wheel of time has rounded another week
    Avastu Maruti smiles
    Avastu Maruti: this larger perspective, one in which the small sense of self is lost as a wave in the vast ocean
    Avastu Maruti: joy is found in the absence of the self-contraction
    Avastu Maruti: it is wonderful that you recognize that joy
    Riddle Sideways: yes, renewing the feeling of being a little i in a chain of greater ... wholeness
    Riddle Sideways: time and space and ...
    Avastu Maruti: yes, even time and space are only facets of the totality
    Avastu Maruti: Life, looking at itself, surrounded by itself, awed at the beauty
    Riddle Sideways: spending much time on that totality, beauty, etc.
    Riddle Sideways: however, this time
    Riddle Sideways: the word continual, continuality (spelling failed)
    Later, I would look up the word "continuum" and know how to spell it.  What I was going for here, but don't think I got across was the awesome responsiblity of a tradition.  Having gone on for thousands of years, I MUST do my part and teach my children to do their parts or it might not continue.  To be the one the didn't carry on.  To do my little part to make sure future generations have their chance too.
    Riddle Sideways: within or around the ALL is and totality and Being
    Riddle Sideways: is the continual-ness
    Riddle Sideways: mine is to be what i must to continue it for the next
    Avastu Maruti: it is as it is - when there is the sense of self, the contraction, the idea of controlling life, Joy seems to be obscured
    Avastu Maruti: the totality, the wholeness, needs no help
    Riddle Sideways: yet, there is the joy and awe to do a part in the continual turn of the wheels
    Riddle Sideways: a fullfillness of purpose to contribute to the pushing of the cycles
    Avastu Maruti: it is the idea of contribution which separates the whole
    Avastu Maruti: Life takes care of itself
    Avastu Maruti: the turning wheels are reflections in the totality itself
    Riddle Sideways: there are fine points that have trouble with that
    Riddle Sideways: there was the need for me to live to bear and raise children
    Riddle Sideways: to teach what I could
    Riddle Sideways: and launch them
    Riddle Sideways: that could be looked upon as controling
    Riddle Sideways: it is part of the continuim
    Avastu Maruti: the wholeness is, prior to and includes the thoughts about trouble
    Avastu Maruti: this living, bearing, raising children, teaching - all Life living itself
    Avastu Maruti: contracted as the small self, we are separate from life
    Avastu Maruti: yet we may recognize that this is a reflection in the mirror of consciousness itself
    Avastu Maruti: the small self, the contraction of assumed control, dissolves into the whole, the totality
    Avastu Maruti: and what is, remains
    Avastu Maruti: perfectly arising
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Riddle Sideways: the small self raising life seems not to be separate from life
    Riddle Sideways: would be the cycle itself
    Avastu Maruti: yes - it is only so in thought
    Avastu Maruti: yet thought is also Life
    Avastu Maruti: a running commentary and conceptualization of what is
    Please to excuse me gentle reader.  I have become whatever the keyboard equivalent of tongue-tied.
    Riddle Sideways: those are correct... (words are failing again) the going forward is working
    Riddle Sideways: it is the memorys, past that is ....
    Riddle Sideways: not so part of what you say
    Avastu Maruti: past (memory) and future (imagination) can only arise in the present moment
    Avastu Maruti: we never leave this moment, not for one second
    Avastu Maruti: the appearances of change which is attributed and measured as time is only a recognition of the whole of the container of now
    Avastu Maruti: time is simply a way of thinking
    Avastu Maruti: a feeling of movement due to memory and imagination
    Avastu Maruti: and this small self is created in this swing back and forth
    Riddle Sideways: 2 parts of what you write need more exploration
    Riddle Sideways: the catch-22 of the now begots past and future.
    Riddle Sideways: And feeling of now/time due to memory and imagination
    Riddle Sideways: both supporting each
    Avastu Maruti: entirely too complex and analytical, my friend
    Avastu Maruti: it's much simpler than that
    Avastu Maruti: simply notice that you cannot have an experience in the past or the future
    Riddle Sideways: I know, just having fun, mostly
    Avastu Maruti: experiencing always is now
    Avastu Maruti: and in that experiencing, even the "small self" is an experience
    Avastu Maruti: even the "I" that experiences is a thought experienced
    Riddle Sideways: my small self was experiencing what another small self was telling me about an ancestor that I had never met/experienced
    Avastu Maruti: hahaha
    Riddle Sideways: I think I have memories, therefore I ... :)
    Avastu Maruti: is this ancestor named Descartes?
    Riddle Sideways: hehehe
    Many sessions have been discussing time.  Here are some of Avastu's thoughts on time. 
    Riddle Sideways: The other point you brought up was
    Riddle Sideways: this "time is simply a way of thinking"
    Riddle Sideways: there are so many ways of thinking about this time idea
    Avastu Maruti: thinking about time is assuming its reality
    Avastu Maruti: simply notice that you never move in time
    Avastu Maruti: you are the container in which these changes seem to happen
    Avastu Maruti: the container itself never moves
    Riddle Sideways: that makes it much easier to substitute definitions of time
    Riddle Sideways: container stays the same
    Riddle Sideways: the changes are just different
    Riddle Sideways: reflections of the shadows of 3 sticks
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, am still stuck on something Pema wrote in a group email
    Riddle Sideways: the thoughts of how the changes in the container
    Riddle Sideways: are the time
    Riddle Sideways: thoughts
    Avastu Maruti: we might, if we're open and honest, see that everything we know is an experience
    Avastu Maruti: the only way we know anything is through experiencing of it
    Avastu Maruti: so the only way we know the small self is as an experience
    Avastu Maruti: we experience the small self, the contraction
    Avastu Maruti: the idea of "me" is an experience
    Avastu Maruti: can you find the ultimate experiencer?
    Riddle Sideways: very great question
    Riddle Sideways: was stuck on the piling of many experiences upon each other
    Riddle Sideways: the learning of new experiences from other experiences
    Riddle Sideways: once again brings in "previous" and memory
    Avastu Maruti: the ultimate experiencer can only be that "container" or that "space" in which these changes come and go
    Avastu Maruti: that ultimate experiencer itself is not an experience
    Avastu Maruti: it is experiencing itself, the activity of knowing
    Avastu Maruti: vast and timeless awareness
    Riddle Sideways: a knowing in an all knowing, within an all is known?
    Avastu Maruti: the knower and the known are relative subject and object, creations in thought/concept
    Avastu Maruti: the knowing is primary, the substratum of all experience
    Avastu Maruti: the screen on which the movie of now is playing
    the woodwinds make their first mention of "screen" and "movie".  The entire string section introduces the major "Being" theme.
    Riddle Sideways: and Being would be the container or the experiencer?
    Avastu Maruti: Being is another word, a pointer to THAT which you are
    Avastu Maruti: the "space" in which the relative comes and goes
    Avastu Maruti: Being, Oneness, God, Self
    Avastu Maruti: all labels for that which cannot be described or contained by a word
    Avastu Maruti: yet is evident and intimately known
    Avastu Maruti: closer than your own face
    Avastu Maruti: simplicity itself
    Riddle Sideways: and the contridictons flow away
    Avastu Maruti: contradictions appear and disappear while you remain before, during and after
    Avastu Maruti: perfect and totally free

    Avastu and I think very much alike and agree on so much that it is hard to keep conversation going.  The only traction I find is to explore the edges of chaos and complexity against his reduction and simplicity.

    In the next section the bolding is added by me.

    Riddle Sideways: there is the one, all, being, G-d, self, construct
    Riddle Sideways: and all is good
    Riddle Sideways: then there is a split to a digital world
    Riddle Sideways: be it subject/verb
    Riddle Sideways: or you/me
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Riddle Sideways: and there becomes a digital computer built of bits, bytes, teraflops
    Avastu Maruti: hahaha
    Riddle Sideways: we simplify to conceptualizing about just the one and/or the first digital split
    Avastu Maruti: yes!
    Riddle Sideways: but there be billions and billions (thank you Carl Sagen)
    Riddle Sideways: of bits flipping all the construct
    Avastu Maruti: the appearance is a million billion reference points
    Avastu Maruti: relativity is necessary for the world to appear
    Avastu Maruti: yet it is never separated from the totality itself
    Avastu Maruti: like light through a prism
    Riddle Sideways: Being's presentation has appearance
    Avastu Maruti: Consciousness is the prism
    Riddle Sideways: a million billion pixels
    Riddle Sideways: on the big screen of ... [life?]
    Avastu Maruti: hahaha
    Avastu Maruti: yes!
    Riddle Sideways: the little "i" appreciates the presence
    Riddle Sideways: of the appearance
    Avastu Maruti: yes, of course
    Avastu Maruti: the appearance is a celebration of Life
    Riddle Sideways: full circle
    Avastu Maruti: yet when identified as a small separated part, only a "pixel", then suffering comes
    Avastu Maruti: the trouble seems to start with the primary thought "I AM"
    Avastu Maruti: the first separation from the totality
    calhau0 Karu: hi
    Avastu Maruti: then it is abstracted into I AM this and that
    Calhau0, a new comer, appears right on the table.  I am so engrossed in the conversation that I forgot my manners, guardian position and that I needed to go awhile back.
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Calhauo
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Riddle Sideways: the little pixel that was
    calhau0 Karu: are you in a midle of something
    Riddle Sideways: we are about done, calhauo
    Riddle Sideways: I need to go, but
    Riddle Sideways: this is a group that meets here
    Riddle Sideways: every 6 hours
    Jerked back to trying to be a good host, I miss this next sentence until reading it now.
    calhau0 Karu: can one of you explain me how can i get a job?
    Riddle Sideways: called "Play as Being"
    Avastu Maruti: hahaha!
    calhau0 Karu: i'm new arround here
    Riddle Sideways: you can read more at playasbeing.org
    Riddle Sideways: there are good summaries
    Riddle Sideways: it is a huge wiki of what we chat here
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, I can't find the postcard to pass to you
    calhau0 Karu: so bye then
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Riddle Sideways: yes, very sorry I need to leave too
    Avastu Maruti: love to you my friends
    Riddle Sideways: RL calling on the phone

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