2009.04.09 19:00 - Beauty in ordinary things

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Sylectra Darwin.

    Sylectra Darwin: greetings!
    Pema Pera: hi, Sylectra!
    Pema Pera: You look nicely wild!
    Pema Pera: is this a new look?
    Sylectra Darwin: Yes indeed! A smoky skin.
    Pema Pera: what an interesting combination!
    Sylectra Darwin: It's awful, I know.
    Pema Pera: oh no
    Sylectra Darwin: But the smoky skin has bright red tattoos which are kind of cool.
    Pema Pera: I don't mean that, it is fascinating :)
    Sylectra Darwin: It's from the elementals collection.
    Pema Pera: ah, do they have their own sim?
    Sylectra Darwin: So how are you?
    Sylectra Darwin: No, just their own store.
    Sylectra Darwin: Hi Aurel.
    Pema Pera: fine, happy to be in rainy California
    Pema Pera: HI Aurel!
    aurel Miles: Hello Pema!
    aurel Miles: Hi Nostrum!
    Sylectra Darwin: Pema, what are you doing in California?
    aurel Miles: oops - sorry I called you Nostrum, Sylectra
    Sylectra Darwin: No worries.
    aurel Miles: and talked after the bell....
    aurel Miles sighs
    Pema Pera: Ah, because Sylectra's Group's lable is "Nostrum's", I see
    Pema Pera: hehe, Aurel, not to worry
    Pema Pera: Syl, I'm in Berkeley right now, to work with Stim
    Sylectra Darwin: Oh, fantastic!
    Pema Pera: I'm visiting Stim or he is visiting me four times a year - a pattern we've held up for about seven years now
    Sylectra Darwin: Any new media stuff to play with this time? VR helmet?
    Pema Pera: three weeks out of every three months
    Pema Pera: hehe, no
    Pema Pera: just RR of the Bay Area
    Sylectra Darwin: Well that is super. I bet it's wonderful there now.
    Pema Pera: well, raining . . . feels like Holland
    Sylectra Darwin: Things are really nice in NJ this week, especially today.
    Pema Pera: still pretty though
    Pema Pera: I love the spring, but in NJ I have pollen allergy
    aurel Miles: we have had snow and greyness and wind
    Pema Pera: which is one reason to escape to Berkeley this time of the year
    Sylectra Darwin: I enjoy watching the bushes slowly unfurl their leaves and open their blossoms.
    Pema Pera: snow??? wow
    aurel Miles: yeah
    Pema Pera: in Vancouver?
    aurel Miles: six months of winter this year
    aurel Miles: no no
    aurel Miles: Ottawa
    Pema Pera: ah!
    aurel Miles: I am from Victoria
    aurel Miles: but i live in Ottawa now
    Sylectra Darwin: Okay...
    Pema Pera: ah, okay, got that wrong, sorry
    Sylectra Darwin: When will you see the sun, Aurel?
    aurel Miles: understandable
    aurel Miles: well - we used to get it all winter
    aurel Miles: and it made the snow lovely
    aurel Miles: but with climate change
    aurel Miles: who knows
    Sylectra Darwin: indeed.
    aurel Miles: the ironic thing is
    aurel Miles: i tried to go home again and i can't take the gloom
    Sylectra Darwin: !
    aurel Miles: pacific northwest climate is not for me
    Sylectra Darwin: wow.
    Sylectra Darwin: IT's nice to have sun sometimes.
    aurel Miles: and now it seems to be seeping into the Eastern part of Ontario
    Sylectra Darwin: Sun on the snow is especially lovely.
    aurel Miles: Ottawa had its darkest, rainiest summer ever last year
    aurel Miles: you know that saying?
    aurel Miles: must have brought it with you
    aurel Miles: about the weather?
    Pema Pera: oh yes
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: I do that often, while traveling
    aurel Miles: i think about that quite frequently lately...
    aurel Miles: i wonder if there are too many west-coasters in ottawa
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Sylectra Darwin: hehe
    aurel Miles: and that's why the weather went goth on me
    Pema Pera: Thank you for your nice stories this afternoon, Aurel
    aurel Miles: thank you Pema
    Pema Pera: about the ovoids and all that
    Pema Pera: I had seen them, but didn't know their meanings
    aurel Miles: i have some expertise there
    aurel Miles: their meaning is still debated by art historians
    aurel Miles: but not much by First Nations artists and Elders
    Pema Pera: in fact, I like to collect T shirts, while on travel, and I have quite a few T shirts that I picked up in Vancouver and Seattle
    Pema Pera: with lots of ovoids on them :)
    aurel Miles: ha
    Sylectra Darwin: What is an ovoid?
    aurel Miles: i like to think about that idea of life tension in the joints and openings
    aurel Miles: hmmm
    aurel Miles: repeating myself....
    Pema Pera: please do!
    Pema Pera: Syl was not here this afternon
    aurel Miles: it's a form used a lot in west coast first nations art
    aurel Miles: looks usually
    aurel Miles: like a rectangle with rounded corners
    aurel Miles: and it swells a bit
    aurel Miles: people refer to it as being packed with dynamic tension
    aurel Miles: with life
    aurel Miles: the idea of life
    aurel Miles: and you see it all over Haida art
    aurel Miles: also Tsimsian
    Sylectra Darwin: Sounds great.
    Pema Pera: ah, sorry, my battery is running low, and in the coffeeshop here there is no electric outlet in sight :( . . . .
    aurel Miles: Kwa kw'a kuwa
    aurel Miles: etc etc
    aurel Miles: anyhow
    aurel Miles: blah blah
    aurel Miles: i will show you a picture
    Sylectra Darwin: oh dear
    aurel Miles: oh Pema
    Pema Pera: sorry to have to leave so quickly!
    aurel Miles: sorry to see you fade
    Pema Pera: I should have brought a second battery
    Sylectra Darwin: yes indeed.
    Pema Pera: or a few ovoids!
    aurel Miles: yes
    Pema Pera: nice to meet you both here -- see you soon again!
    aurel Miles: goodnight!
    Sylectra Darwin: okay, take care, Pema
    aurel Miles: enjoy your coastal weather
    Sylectra Darwin: ...and there he goes.
    aurel Miles: an ovoid is an expression of an autonomous life force
    aurel Miles: within a larger life force
    Sylectra Darwin: that's cool.
    aurel Miles: yeah it's interesting
    aurel Miles: you see it in drawings and prints a lot
    Sylectra Darwin: Why the square aspect? human construct mixed in?
    aurel Miles: and in traditional culture
    aurel Miles: poles
    aurel Miles: it's not really square
    aurel Miles: one sec
    Sylectra Darwin: kk
    aurel Miles: http://www.houseofthespiritbear.com/...eid/index.html
    aurel Miles: if you look there
    aurel Miles: and look at the wings of the raven or the eagle
    aurel Miles: see how every feather
    aurel Miles: every joint
    aurel Miles: or on the beaver
    aurel Miles: every limb
    aurel Miles: has those ovoid shapes?
    aurel Miles: they are expressions of life - at least that is what i was taught
    Sylectra Darwin: That's really neat.
    Sylectra Darwin: I wonder why I haven't heard of them until now.
    aurel Miles: sorry - it's late here, i am a little tired and hence a little quiet
    Sylectra Darwin: My mom was really interested in Native American art.
    Sylectra Darwin: That's quote alright - me too!
    aurel Miles: well, how many art historians do you know?
    aurel Miles: and how many from the west coast
    Sylectra Darwin: none.
    aurel Miles: and how many who have looked into that
    aurel Miles: yeah
    aurel Miles: that's why
    Sylectra Darwin: But I got to briefly see an exhibit in NYC on the Pacific coast native art.
    aurel Miles: Doris Shadbolt has some interesting things to say about it
    Sylectra Darwin: It looked very polynesian.
    aurel Miles: i have a hard time with travelling shows
    aurel Miles: of that kind of work
    aurel Miles: because they are considered to be alove
    aurel Miles: alive
    Sylectra Darwin: Why?
    aurel Miles: and i have seen canoes splitting and dying as the dry out
    aurel Miles: in the musuem here
    aurel Miles: they are meant to be part of life
    aurel Miles: meant to be in use
    Sylectra Darwin: Oh yes,.
    Sylectra Darwin: Of course.
    aurel Miles: not meant to be observed that way
    aurel Miles: museums - for some types of art
    aurel Miles: are like zoos
    aurel Miles: and i don't like them much either
    aurel Miles: i'm talking about antiquities mostly
    aurel Miles: bowls
    aurel Miles: masks
    aurel Miles: canoes
    aurel Miles: poles
    aurel Miles: especially poles
    Sylectra Darwin: yes it's hard to look at that stuff in a static exhibit.
    aurel Miles: i saw one in the british museum and it just seemed so desperately lonely
    aurel Miles: and brittle
    aurel Miles: the prints and paintings are a different thing
    aurel Miles: so are sculptures made to be sculptures
    aurel Miles: but the poles have a lifespan
    aurel Miles: and they deserve to live it
    Sylectra Darwin: yes indeed. Useful objects have an inherent beauty in their usefulness.
    Sylectra Darwin: brb - need to relog
    Sylectra Darwin: Tying to get the PaB listener to record me again now that I am back.
    aurel Miles: good
    Sylectra Darwin: Got the first half of the log and restarted the second.
    aurel Miles: i feel a little awkward cause i would like to listen for a while
    Sylectra Darwin: it is okay to listen, even with only two people...
    Sylectra Darwin: Two sensory impressions for tonight - sunlight on new snow...
    Sylectra Darwin: and useful things in plain sight, pleasing to the eye.
    aurel Miles: i love sunlight on snow
    Sylectra Darwin: I wanted to say that my grandfather was a machinist and he made things out of metal.
    aurel Miles: ah
    Sylectra Darwin: I got two priceless things he made...
    Sylectra Darwin: a stainlless steel spatula and long-handled fork.
    Sylectra Darwin: My grandma had them for 50 years and now they are mine.
    aurel Miles: that's lovely
    Sylectra Darwin: I have them in the drawer with all the other utensils. Their greatest beauty is in their sturdiness and utility.
    aurel Miles: the japanese have a word for that
    aurel Miles: i forget what it is
    Sylectra Darwin: What a nice concept!
    Sylectra Darwin: I was reading a book on decorating and they had a page on decorating with useful things, as in pots and pans in the kitchen. It really appealed to me.
    aurel Miles: i like that too
    aurel Miles: i adopt that approach when i have a garden
    aurel Miles: everything has to be both beautiful
    aurel Miles: and edible
    aurel Miles: form + function = beauty
    Sylectra Darwin: so true. Like herbs?
    aurel Miles: yes
    aurel Miles: and roses
    aurel Miles: lavendar
    aurel Miles: some tomatoes even
    aurel Miles: they can pretty used right
    aurel Miles: scarlet runners
    aurel Miles: pansies
    aurel Miles: all of them are edible
    Sylectra Darwin: oh yes, all of those.
    aurel Miles: not coriander
    aurel Miles: never again
    aurel Miles: i was warned and i didn't listen
    Sylectra Darwin: I grew vegetables one year, and there was beauty in those.
    aurel Miles: yes
    Sylectra Darwin: really?
    aurel Miles: oh lord
    aurel Miles: i had a friend who grew herbs
    aurel Miles: and edible flowers
    aurel Miles: that was his business
    aurel Miles: supplying hotels
    aurel Miles: etc
    aurel Miles: and he gave me everthing
    aurel Miles: rosemary
    aurel Miles: marjoram
    aurel Miles: thyme
    aurel Miles: things i never even imagined
    aurel Miles: like pineapple sage
    aurel Miles: but no coriander
    Sylectra Darwin: hi steven
    aurel Miles: so i thougth i would just buy the seeds myself
    aurel Miles: and he said - don't do
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    aurel Miles: they bolt
    aurel Miles: Hi Steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Aurel
    aurel Miles: and they stink like you would not believe
    aurel Miles: at first it's fine
    aurel Miles: but gradually
    Sylectra Darwin: yes indeed.
    aurel Miles: your whole garden smells pungently
    aurel Miles: like coriander
    aurel Miles: and nothing else
    aurel Miles: i can't cilantro anymore
    aurel Miles: it repells
    aurel Miles: and that's why
    aurel Miles: so i should have listened
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am so full from dinner, what are you two cooking up?
    aurel Miles: idle chatter
    aurel Miles: what was dinner?
    Sylectra Darwin: My bf's 14 year old girl just got home and saw that she had left herself signed in, and her dad put up a profile pic of his mouth on her facebook account. lol!
    stevenaia Michinaga: no such thing
    aurel Miles: oh no!
    Sylectra Darwin: It was funny. One of her friends commented, Is that your dad's mouth?
    Sylectra Darwin: hehe
    aurel Miles: i remember being 14
    aurel Miles: very easily embarased
    Sylectra Darwin: she's pretty bullet proof after putting up with dad all this time.
    aurel Miles: that's good
    aurel Miles: how was dinner Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: as time passes, I realize that the food cooked at home is better than the food cooked by both our mothers
    aurel Miles: to your own tastes
    stevenaia Michinaga: but the desserts are usually better
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, I think they loose their sence of taste over time
    aurel Miles: conventional wisdom amongst chefs is that one is either a baker or a cook - never both.
    stevenaia Michinaga: desintigrating over cooked asparigas with hollendaise sauce (from a mix) just doesn;t cut it
    Sylectra Darwin: Guys, I need to go take rest.
    stevenaia Michinaga: by Sylectra
    aurel Miles: bye
    aurel Miles: i am getting tired too
    aurel Miles: my typinmg is starting to show it
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry to come so late, see you all soon
    aurel Miles: i am in eastern north america
    aurel Miles: so it's after 11 here
    aurel Miles: not to worry
    stevenaia Michinaga: same here
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps not so north as you
    aurel Miles: but i am going to vanish soon
    aurel Miles: probably not

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