2009.04.24 07:00 - What's in a name?

The Guardian for this meeting was quen Oh. The comments are by quen Oh.

Adams was the second to arrive:

Adams Rubble: Hello Quen :)
quen Oh: hi Adams!
quen Oh: how are you>?
Adams Rubble: I am good. How are you :)
quen Oh: fine too
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: I was reading old PaB logs
Adams Rubble: Are the tulips still in Bloom? Oh how nice :)
Adams Rubble: There are many logs to read :)
quen Oh: they are, though the height of bloom is over now
quen Oh: liked the link to the YouTube clip of Britain's got talent
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: so I started to look at that, very nice to see what people can do!
Adams Rubble: The squirrels snipped off all our tulips
quen Oh: oh dear! hehe I like squirrels
quen Oh: you have tulips!
quen Oh: wow
Adams Rubble: Unfortunately we have more squirrels than tulips
Adams Rubble: especially now
Adams Rubble: no tulips left
quen Oh: yes I noticed when I visited US, for me that was nice to see, you rarely see them here
Adams Rubble: just daffadils
quen Oh: sorry for your tulips
Adams Rubble: I haven;t keeping up with the logs lately
quen Oh: me neither, it is so much
quen Oh: same goes for all the email
Adams Rubble: yes. If one has other things to do.... :)
Adams Rubble: oh email, yes
quen Oh: I love the possibilities of the internet, though it makes you realise how much interesting things there are to know and get to know
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: and how much we don't know :)
quen Oh: and how much all the information keeps growing everyday
quen Oh: definitely!
Adams Rubble: yesssssss
Adams Rubble: I sometimes wonder what will happen if something happens to electricity and someone pulls the plug
quen Oh: huge growing landscape of information
quen Oh: we are totally dependent on internet and computers now indeed
quen Oh: found that out the hard way when pc crashed over a week ago
Adams Rubble: ohhhh
quen Oh: everything is fine now
quen Oh: hi gen!
Adams Rubble: I am reminded when the internet conection doesn't work

Gen joined us. And immediately after her Sophia dropped by too. Was clearly not very awake and wondering about her name.

Adams Rubble: Hello Gen :)
genesis Zhangsun: Hi Quen and Adams!
Adams Rubble: Glad to hear everything is OK now :)
Adams Rubble: whoops...missed the stop
quen Oh: hey Sophia!
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
quen Oh: no problem, have that too very often
genesis Zhangsun: Hi Sophia
sophia Placebo: hi quen
sophia Placebo: hi genesis
quen Oh: we are not machines like clockworks
sophia Placebo: hi adams:)
Adams Rubble: hehe
quen Oh: sophia are you the same sophia as in the other ava? (have not kept up in logs am behind)
sophia Placebo: i have only one ava quen
Adams Rubble: There is another Sophia in PaB
quen Oh: ah ok, good to know
quen Oh: I like the name Sophia Placebo!
sophia Placebo: one acount that is
sophia Placebo: thank you :)
quen Oh: like loving knowledge is a placebo
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: to cure what.. ;-)
sophia Placebo: well , it is kinda
sophia Placebo: to cure arrogance
quen Oh: yes, we were already talking about how the presence of the internet makes you realise how less we know
genesis Zhangsun: in a way that is what Play as Being is a sort of wisdom placebo
quen Oh: to cure what? ;-)

Constance arrived, being a new face for me. And we continued about names.

Adams Rubble: Hello Constance :)
quen Oh: hi Constance, nice t omeet you!
sophia Placebo: hi constance
quen Oh: have you visited us before?
genesis Zhangsun: Hi Constance
sophia Placebo: quen : knowladge is a placebo to cure arrogance
Constance Fairport: hi genesis
genesis Zhangsun: a wisdom placebo that eventually becomes the real thing :)
Constance Fairport: a wisdom placebo?
quen Oh: yes, was wondering if wisdom is a placebo too ;-)
Constance Fairport: a placebo for what?
genesis Zhangsun: we were just playing with sophia placebo's name
Constance Fairport: oh!
genesis Zhangsun: sophia as far as I know means "wisdom"
quen Oh: btw we started with loving knowledge as a placebo
genesis Zhangsun: or "wise"
Constance Fairport: yes
quen Oh: loving wisdom seems a good idea
Adams Rubble: Wow. Constance you have had a busy month :)
quen Oh: it means to love in fat
quen Oh: sorry not true
quen Oh: slapping my head
Constance Fairport: really? in what sense?
quen Oh: philo means to love
quen Oh: switching that
sophia Placebo: though i feel like when poeple knew one info the start to become arrogant , many infos they start to be mislead and confused and arrogant , vast knowladge or simple admitting that they cant know everything then they become modestly knowlagable
genesis Zhangsun: right philosoph is love of wisdom
quen Oh: 1000 excuses
Constance Fairport: yes
Adams Rubble: :) Sophia
genesis Zhangsun: np :)
quen Oh: very plausible sophia
Constance Fairport: how would one play with adams rubble?
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: playful/
quen Oh: ?
genesis Zhangsun: yes what is the origin behind your name Adams?
quen Oh: what is a rubble of adam
Constance Fairport: the rubble of adam, the first man?
sophia Placebo: phone brb
Adams Rubble: The Rubble comes from a cartoon series "The Flinstones" There was a character named Barney Rubble
Constance Fairport: oh!
Constance Fairport: lol
quen Oh: :-) !!
genesis Zhangsun: hehe!
genesis Zhangsun: never would have guessed
Adams Rubble: Rubble sort of sums up my mind before PaB too :)
Constance Fairport: good choice of a second name (too bad sl doesn't give you complete freedom in choosing it)
genesis Zhangsun: :)
Constance Fairport: PaB ?
Adams Rubble: Play as Being
quen Oh: Main Entry: 1rub·ble Listen to the pronunciation of 1rubble Pronunciation: \ˈrə-bəl\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English robyl Date: 14th century 1 a: broken fragments (as of rock) resulting from the decay or destruction of a building <fortifications> b: a miscellaneous confused mass or group of usually broken or worthless things2: waterworn or rough broken stones or bricks used in coarse masonry or in filling courses of walls3: rough stone as it comes from the quarry
Constance Fairport: ah!
genesis Zhangsun: I always connected it to your approach which always seemed to be deconstructionist oriented
Constance Fairport: i live and learn
Constance Fairport: lol
genesis Zhangsun: (with the many selves etc)
genesis Zhangsun: I also imaged that your name perhaps in RL was Adams and that this was the deconstructin of Adams
Constance Fairport: i suppose sl is like rubble
Adams Rubble: yes Gen. That has been my methodology
Constance Fairport: hehe
Adams Rubble: I did not give more than about 4 seconds thought to my SL name :)
genesis Zhangsun: funny isn't it and yet so apt
Constance Fairport: do we all get ujp, run around the ring, and sit down again?
Adams Rubble: some people do that somethies C0nstance
Adams Rubble: :)
genesis Zhangsun: for me there was a sort self deprecating kind of humor about rubble that I found very charming
Constance Fairport: the 15 minute warning..
quen Oh remembers some hilarious running around here
Adams Rubble: TRhat is just a pause Constance
Adams Rubble: It keeps me honest Gen :)
genesis Zhangsun: :)
genesis Zhangsun: thats admirable Adams
Constance Fairport: yes
quen Oh: so what is behind genesis Zhangsun?
genesis Zhangsun: hehe
genesis Zhangsun: not a whole lot
quen Oh: adam and genesis, funny
genesis Zhangsun: around the time I got into SL I was reading a kind of "religious" thriller
Adams Rubble: :)
genesis Zhangsun: the whole Middle east crisis was resolved through an interpretation of the old testament
Constance Fairport: that's become a genre
genesis Zhangsun: or something outlandish of this sort
genesis Zhangsun: and also small detail it was first time I heard SL mentioned
Constance Fairport: you see a dozen books out on this theme these days
genesis Zhangsun: in a book
quen Oh: ah these books are in fashion since the da Vinci code
genesis Zhangsun: the crisis was resolved through SL
quen Oh: really???
quen Oh: interesting
genesis Zhangsun: so the connection between SL, the old testament led to genesis
Constance Fairport: what a cute idea
Adams Rubble: neat!
sophia Placebo: intresting
quen Oh: for religious thrillers I like Jonathan Rabb, but not as famous
sophia Placebo: what about the last name zhangsun?
genesis Zhangsun: you know there was again very little thought given to the whole thing it was the first name which represented the "east" for me
Constance Fairport: there's a sci fi novel called Halting State where a mystery is resolved in an online system like sl
genesis Zhangsun: and I wanted it to balance the "western" genesis reference
quen Oh: ah nice
Adams Rubble: :)
sophia Placebo: :)
genesis Zhangsun: :)
Constance Fairport: bad guys set of a game in this reality that really trains people to hack into banks
Constance Fairport: set up*
Adams Rubble: sounds like the economy during the last 8 years :)
Constance Fairport: yeah
quen Oh: ;-) the Lindens bank
genesis Zhangsun: lol
Constance Fairport: people solve puzzles in this reality that are actually based on banks' security systems
sophia Placebo: sounds funny novel quen
genesis Zhangsun: except those guys Adams didn't need to train in SL they've being doing for years in RL
sophia Placebo: sorru constance
Constance Fairport: yes --- but this enlists thousands of unsuspecting dupes
quen Oh: I think the crisis is that someone from the inside out hacked into the banks and made more of their virtual capital
Adams Rubble: oh yes, they didn't know wha SL is
Constance Fairport: sorry?
sophia Placebo: sounds like funny novel :)
Constance Fairport: it's sort of interesting
genesis Zhangsun: someone should write a thriller where a crisis gets resolved through PaB :)
sophia Placebo: i say adam instead of constance :)
genesis Zhangsun: hehe!
quen Oh: seems lot of bank people createrd and sold this huge virtual money bubble.. and now we have a problem
Constance Fairport: get dark fast here
quen Oh: that would be a personal crisis then, no?
Constance Fairport: yes and the dollar may be worth a linden
Constance Fairport: i'm being paged to attend something in the nasa education center
Adams Rubble: We ma all be writing that novel Gen :)
Constance Fairport: great meeting you guys! see you later
Adams Rubble: bye Constance
quen Oh: bye
sophia Placebo: bye constance
genesis Zhangsun: good point Adams :D
genesis Zhangsun: bye constance
quen Oh: only I miss the thriller part...
genesis Zhangsun: what could be more exciting Quen then getting to the bottom of our existnce Quen :D
sophia Placebo: what about your name quen oh?
Adams Rubble: My adventures in PaB have been a thriller for me :)
Adams Rubble: Will I find the answer to Being before becoming a raving lunatic?
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: stay tuned....
genesis Zhangsun: hehe
sophia Placebo: :) i think since you are wandering about it then you are resisting it or going for it
quen Oh: perhaps we should make up something extremely exciting to add to the PaB thriller?
Adams Rubble: or both Sophia :)
quen Oh: or is something scary already happening but we don't know it..... woooah
sophia Placebo: :)
genesis Zhangsun: well friends I must be going on
Adams Rubble: Maybe there is something lurking in the fountain?
Adams Rubble: bye Gen :)
genesis Zhangsun: :)
quen Oh: are you getting to the bottom of your existence gen?
sophia Placebo: bye genesis
quen Oh: bye Gen!
genesis Zhangsun: :) no Quen just playing as getting to the bottom :)
quen Oh: maybe Nessie is here in our fountain and she became virtual (or always has been)
genesis Zhangsun: bye everyone
quen Oh: ;-) bye Gen

Gen left. And it is still beware of the monster...

Adams Rubble waves bye
Adams Rubble: Or maybe there is an entrance at the bottom of the fountain once one gets past Nessie
Adams Rubble: or exit
sophia Placebo: who is nessie?
quen Oh: Loch Ness, the monster...
Adams Rubble: The mnster in Loch ness in Scotland
quen Oh: (drum sounds in background)
sophia Placebo: oh i know it
quen Oh: living in the lake
sophia Placebo: what if we are being in experment without knowing
quen Oh: well we are in an experiment, only we do know
sophia Placebo: no what if Loch Ness in the fountine is making the rules for new experiment we are not aware of
quen Oh: hehe than we simply don't play by the rules?
quen Oh: that seems the best solution
sophia Placebo: you dont know it was his rules
Adams Rubble: Looks OK :)
sophia Placebo: lol
quen Oh: well rules you don't know of either they are nature laws or they are thought up but we cannot become aware of them as nobody explained them to us?
quen Oh: lol Adam, count your toes...
Adams Rubble: one, two three.
sophia Placebo: yes quen

As Gilles in IM asked me what was todays PaB about and I answered 'monsters', he gave us a visit, while the party was breaking up, being a nice red scary Raptor.

<fortifications> Adams Rubble: Hello Gilles
sophia Placebo: greeting gilles
quen Oh: hi Gilles
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go. bye everyone :)
quen Oh: bye Adams
sophia Placebo: bye adams
Adams Rubble: Take care everyone :)
quen Oh: yes we might have one in the fountain
sophia Placebo: lol
quen Oh: if you want take a swim ;-)
sophia Placebo: got to leave too , nice to meet you quen
quen Oh: likewise sophia! bye!
sophia Placebo: nice to meet you gilles