2009.04.24 19:00 - Pax et Bonum

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    The Guardian for this meeting wasPemaPera, who also provided the comments.  This was another theme meeting.  Geo and Pemawere the moderators, for the theme "Pax et Bonum".  Geo started off, and Pema had it easy: right after Geo's brief introduction an avalanche of questions arose, and there was no room or need for Pema to play a moderator role as a respondent to Geo.

    Pila Mulligan: hi Ade
    Adelene Dawner: Hi Pila, Geo :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Geo
    Geo Netizen: Hi Adams
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eliza and Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Geo, Eliza, Ade and Pila :)
    Geo Netizen: Hi Eliza
    Adams Rubble: Hello
    Pema :)
    Pila Mulligan: Konnichi-ha
    Pema san
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pila, Adelene, Geo, Adams :) Hi
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Pema Pera: Adelene, shall I post the log for this session?
    Adelene Dawner: Sure,
    Pema, thanks :)
    Pema Pera: Starting next week, I'll take over this slot, as part of a grand reshuffling :-)
    Pema Pera: I'll send out a notice to the PaB group in a day or so
    Pila Mulligan: hi michel
    Adams Rubble: Hello Michel
    michel Arun: hi
    Eliza Madrigal: michel, Hello
    Geo Netizen: Hi Michel
    Pema Pera: Geo, shall we get started?
    Geo Netizen nods
    Pema Pera: And are you okay with the theme I proposed, Pax and Bonum?
    Geo Netizen: Sure ... if there is interest :)
    Pila Mulligan: ' Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love'
    Pema Pera is very interested!
    Pila Mulligan: = interested :)
    Pema Pera: I suggest you start off, Geo
    Eliza Madrigal: Geo, there is :)
    Pema Pera: since it is in your lineage
    Geo kicked off our theme discussion.
    Geo Netizen: Ok ...
    Geo Netizen: To begin
    Geo Netizen: Pax et bonum is a salutation that Francis of Assisi used to greet those he met on the road.
    Geo Netizen: It is a Latin phrase that roughly translates as ’peace and good’.
    Geo Netizen: Instead of trying to provide a formal definition of what is meant by the word peace in this greeting, permit me to provide some examples from another famous source.
    Geo Netizen: The wise find peace on hearing the truth, like a deep, clear, undisturbed lake.
    Geo Netizen: Better than a thousand pointless words is one saying to the point on hearing which one finds peace.
    Geo Netizen: A victor only breeds hatred, while a defeated man lives in misery, but a man at peace within lives happily, abandoning ideas of victory and defeat.
    Geo Netizen: Peaceful of body, peaceful of speech and with mind thoroughly stilled, the one who has rid themselves of attachment to the world is called "at peace".
    Geo Netizen: To act with a peaceful mind, is to draw happiness after oneself.
    Geo Netizen: I hope that these wonderful examples provide some sense of the peace being wished upon you.
    Geo Netizen: Yet this greeting of peace is as much for the greeter as the one greeted for Francis said:
    Pila Mulligan: hi Threedee
    Geo Netizen: ’As you announce peace with your mouth, make sure that you have greater peace in your hearts.’
    Geo Netizen bows to Threedee
    Adelene Dawner: Hiya, Luv :)
    Pema Pera: hi Three!
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi folks
    Adams Rubble: hello Threedee
    Geo Netizen: Notice that Francis calls us to greater peace and goes on to say:
    Geo Netizen: ’May everyone be drawn to peace, kindness, and harmony through your gentleness.’
    Geo Netizen: The second part of the greeting -and good- reminds us of the source of all good.
    Geo Netizen: It is a wish for good things:
    Geo Netizen: that you experience the joy of a baby’s giggle,
    Geo Netizen: the beauty of a vibrant landscape,
    Geo Netizen: the warmth of a caring touch,
    Geo Netizen: the delights of breaking bread with friends.
    Geo Netizen: But more than just good things,
    Geo Netizen: good means a state of well-being,
    Geo Netizen: circling back to the beginning …
    Geo Netizen: a deep, clear, undisturbed lake.
    Geo Netizen: Pax et bonum !
    Geo Netizen: -------------------
    Pila Mulligan: and to you Geo
    Geo Netizen bows
    Geo Netizen: I hope this gives a sense of the breath of the greeting
    Geo Netizen sits quietly and feels the beauty
    Threedee and Pila jumped in right away.
    Threedee Shepherd: This leads to something I wanted to pose, this evening. the words "a man at peace within lives happily' lesd mr to ask "What is happiness?"
    Pema Pera bows to Geo of SL and to Francis of Assisi
    Pila Mulligan: the Prayer of Saint Francis begins with a memorable invocation of the search for of peace ('Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace, where there is hatred, let me sow love ...')
    Geo Netizen: Yes, though that was actually writing in the 1800’s it certainly captures the spirit of Francis
    Geo Netizen: I am open to question both on the greeting and any other topic that is of interest
    Pema Pera: What you said in "[19:10] Geo Netizen: ’As you announce peace with your mouth, make sure that you have greater peace in your hearts.’" reminds me of the Buddhist notion of Boddhicitta
    Threedee Shepherd: I expand my question by noting that the "meaning" of what is a peaceful society is VERY different when different traditions are examined.
    Geo Netizen nods
    Geo Netizen: Yes ... very much so :)
    Pema Pera: the wish to attain complete enlightenment (that is, Buddhahood) in order to be of benefit to all sentient beings
    Pila Mulligan: Threedee, earlier Geo said 'wise find peace on hearing the truth' so perhaps happiness is a feeling associated with awreness of truth
    Geo Netizen: It is a good example of what I talked about before of significant overlap
    Threedee Shepherd: and if peace and happiness are related, I can ask, what is peace? and What is Happiness?
    Pema Pera: or the instructions in airplanes: after dropping away of aircabine pressure, first put the oxygen mask on your own face, before trying to help others
    Threedee Shepherd: Pila, whose truth?
    Pila Mulligan: Stim has been doing a Thursday session on ethics, and his approach began with the idea that you need to be honest with yourself
    Pila Mulligan: honesty at the simple level, as opposed to abstractions of 'truth'
    Pila Mulligan: a visitor to the group expressed his opinion that truth was a waste of time in the real world
    Geo Netizen: to strip away the shells and discover the core being
    Pila Mulligan: I would disagree witht the visitor and agree with Stim
    Threedee Shepherd: I was discussing this at dinner with my wife and really am unsure aboutr defining happiness, peach, truth and honesty. As an extreme example, I would not want to live in a society governed by the Taliban's notions of these terms.
    Threedee Shepherd: peace
    Adams Rubble: good night all and thank you Geo :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye Adams
    Pema Pera: bye Adams!
    Threedee Shepherd: bye
    Pila Mulligan: yes, that extreme illlustrates a less than excellent form of peace, Threedee
    Geo Netizen: The Taliban are not in touch the with depth of the sufi tradition
    Pila Mulligan: I think St. Francis was working with less dogmatic terms
    Threedee Shepherd: Geo, independent of who or what then are in touch with, how do we "judge" their version of peace in comparision with any other version?
    Geo turned the conversation back to Francis:
    Geo Netizen: But Francis did believe in certain truths ... God is love
    Geo Netizen: I would repeat a quote above:
    Geo Netizen: A victor only breeds hatred, while a defeated man lives in misery, but a man at peace within lives happily, abandoning ideas of victory and defeat.
    Pema Pera: that's a beautiful sentence, and very Taoist
    Geo Netizen: This is fundamental to basic Muslim, Buddhist, and Christian traditions
    Threedee Shepherd: Yes, but look closely and the key terms get defined differently.
    Pema Pera: Hi Gina!
    Pema Pera: Come join us
    Geo Netizen: To the extent that one deviates from this one deviates from their foundations
    gina Broono: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, thought that also...and the line that " Geo Netizen: Better than a thousand pointless words is one saying to the point on hearing which one finds peace" made me think of a Compassion teachibng I'd listen to this week that was basically "Two parts compassion to one part words"...that a conscious/loving word or deed weighs more in a sense
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi gina
    Geo Netizen bows to Gina
    Geo Netizen nods to Eliza
    Threedee Shepherd: Folks, I need to ask a personal question?
    Eliza Madrigal: One can work at something for a long time, but if not imbued with that "clear lake" peace/silence...is only a little worthwhile :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh..sorry three, sure
    Geo Netizen listens
    Threedee asked a meta-question, concerning the questions he had asked earlier.
    Threedee Shepherd: I am sincerely interested in exploring the terms of this conversation--such as peace and happiness. The questions I am asking are an attempt to see if there is interest in going in that direction of exploration. However, I seem not to be successful. Is there some way I could be more effective in posing such questions to this group.
    Geo Netizen: Is there anything in what is referred to as RL that has reality beyond the confines of RL?
    Threedee Shepherd: I do not know.
    Geo Netizen: If not .... then I can see difficulty in doing what you suggest.
    Pila Mulligan: hi SL4
    SL4observer Lane: hi everyone :)
    Threedee Shepherd: Hi
    Pema Pera: Hi SL4
    Geo Netizen: I would posit Being as having such a reality
    Threedee Shepherd: Geo, I am not sure I understand the point you are making
    Pila Mulligan: Threedee, how would oyu define success in your effort to explore peace and happiness?
    Eliza Madrigal: Three, in not directly addressing the taliban, I wasn't 'not seeing' your question...was looking to Geo's text for St. Francis ideas on the nature of peace
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So it seems related, no?
    Threedee Shepherd: That the group would take up the questions in some direct way. Alternatively, I would hope those who thought that to do so if not appropriate now might say something like, "Yes, that is interesting but not where we are now. Perhaps later or another time."
    Pema Pera: perhaps it is a matter of wavelength
    Pila Mulligan: to me peace is peace and ahppiness is happiness :)
    Pema Pera: Geo is quoting poetic sentences to convey a sense of something
    Pila Mulligan: defining the words makes them no different than what they are
    Pema Pera: and inviting us to swim with the flow of that poetic sense
    Pema Pera: he is holding up an apple for us to bite in
    Pema Pera: and if we ask about oranges and apples and their differences, before biting, that goes in a different direction
    Pila Mulligan: elaborating on what those feelings are like may be an endless play of thoughts, and poetry certainly is part of that play
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, that sounds like I was not on the same wavelength as the conversation, yes.
    Pila Mulligan: do you have a definiiotn of peace or happiness Threedee?
    Pema Pera: but the question of happiness in itself is a great one, for sure
    Threedee Shepherd: So, I will not insist on wavelength change ^.^ I must note however, that if Shalom and Salaam meant the same thing the Middle East would be a very different place.
    Pema Pera: and Geo was answering you more than you may have realized
    Pila Mulligan: isn't it possible they do mean the same thing and the fighting is over something else?
    Pema Pera: so the question is, how to put on our own oxygen masks before helping others
    Pema Pera: how to find peace ourselves before checking out the Taliban
    Eliza Madrigal: In that case it is about believing that outer control can accomplish inner peace
    Threedee Shepherd: I have a personal definition of happiness in personal operational terms. It is not deep enough for me to relate happiness to Being in an overarching way.
    Pila Mulligan: but the question of how to bring peace to the world is one of the most important questions there is
    Pema Pera: how about looking for the kind of happiness that comes automatically when you start to transcend dichotomies?
    Pema Pera: like victory and defeat
    Pema Pera: as Geo indicated
    Pema Pera: that goes to the heart of Being
    Threedee Shepherd: I am not saying ther is no relationship in such a broad way. Indeed, that is what I was trying to explore.
    Pema Pera: can you think of an example in your own life?
    Pema Pera: that may provide the bridge between the two approaches
    Geo focused the conversation on what each of us can do, concretely, with respect to their neighbor.
    Geo Netizen: Can anyone bring peace to the world?
    Geo Netizen: But I might bring peace to you
    Pila Mulligan: the greatest challenge of peace is the task of ending violence
    Pila Mulligan: in a community sense
    Geo Netizen nods
    Threedee Shepherd: and it has never been broadly achieved in known human history
    Geo Netizen nods again at Threedee
    Eliza Madrigal: Exactly, and therefore what it seems is that it cannot be "done" in the way that people "try" to "do" it....
    Pila Mulligan: Gandhi once said, “I believe in war bereft of every trace of violence”
    gina Broono: what about war as population control
    Threedee Shepherd: I agree Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: That the contemplative,prayerful cultivation is necessary in a larger way
    Pila Mulligan: there are easier emthods
    Eliza Madrigal: Changes happen in leaps...and efforts to force peace...where do they go?
    Geo Netizen: -Force- peace !
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Geo Netizen: That’s a contradiction
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, my point
    Geo Netizen nods
    Eliza Madrigal: That I hear St. Francis speaking of a peace which can't be 'thought up'
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    And Geo focused that even further by pointing to one's own connection to peace.
    Geo Netizen: I only have a say in the peace that dwells in me and
    Geo Netizen: as Francis said
    Geo Netizen: ’May everyone be drawn to peace, kindness, and harmony through your gentleness.’
    Pila Mulligan: I'd return to the idea that peace needs truth, rather than force -- the problem with Shalom vs. Salaam situation is not defining peace but defining boundaries
    Geo Netizen: I preach peace and everyone once in a great while I use words
    Geo Netizen: Peace needs love
    Eliza Madrigal: : ) great "peace leaders" have done the same it seems.
    Geo Netizen: How do I know I love … I care deeply about what happens to the person … then I know I love
    Pema Pera: knowing stems from seeing more than from defining . . . . though the latter can help after the fact, to clarify and share
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steven
    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Geo Netizen: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi gina
    Threedee Shepherd: hey, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to all
    Eliza Madrigal: It seems strange that I'm so unfamiliar with St. Francis....only quotes which seem abundant.
    Eliza Madrigal: I've read a bit of St. John of the Cross, who has a definite emphasis on persoal illumination also
    Geo Netizen: Peace is a state of being … one can only understand it through the experience.
    Geo Netizen: We describe the experience … we do not define an experience.
    Geo Netizen: And another either can relate to our experience or not
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: but more detailed descriptions can help to increase potential for relating
    Pema Pera: as long as they further the experience
    Geo Netizen nods
    Threedee Shepherd: Geo, I do not disagree. And, in this particular forum of keyboards at PaB in SL, it is hard to know without using words.
    Pema Pera: perhaps the key is orientation: walking along with the speaker on a stroll through the garden of his/her mind as opposed to a more confrontational and/or skeptical stance (I'm saying this in a general and stark way, Three, not that you are doing that, but as a general answer to the question of communication your raised)
    Geo Netizen: Threedee, I personally sense a solidity to your position but am unable to touch it … that is a failure on my part I wish I could correct.
    Threedee made a suggestion, which I immediately picked up for the next theme session.
    Threedee Shepherd: Geo, we should meet and explore that another time.
    Threedee Shepherd: I would like to
    Geo Netizen nods
    Pema Pera: another theme session :) -- wanna pick a date?
    Pema Pera: I'd love to hear that conversation!
    Pema Pera: we'll all learn from that
    Pila Mulligan: if you follow the idea of well-being far enough, you should arrive in some proximate location :)
    Threedee Shepherd:
    Pema, I understand what you say. I may sound harsh at times because I take conversations here in the context of what the same and other persons have said before in other sessions. Thus, the formalities that take edges off my questions are sometimes lacking.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) having a loving view means that one wants to apply things in a practical way... makes sense Three.
    Pema Pera: it's a very interesting and important question, Three, and greatly admire your willingness to discuss it
    Pila Mulligan: humble monk v. cranky old guy -- 10 rounds at PaB -- in search of peace and happiness :) be there
    Pema Pera: I also enjoy your sense of urgency of really wanting to know where to go, how to see, what to do
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Geo Netizen chuckles
    Pema Pera: Pila, are you going to debate with Geo then ? :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahha
    Pila Mulligan: ouch
    Pila Mulligan: got me sensei
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pila Mulligan: we could do tag teams
    Pema Pera: actually, I could play that role just fine . . . .
    Pema Pera: my only excuse is that I've done it so often already
    Pema Pera: seroiusly, Geo, when will yo be available next time?
    Geo Netizen: would definitely want back up :))
    Pema Pera: What I meant is that I greatly appreciate Three's courage to ask out loud the kind of question that many of us often must have
    Pema Pera: "why are they not responding to what I just said, a few times?"
    Pema Pera: and I would love to honor that question
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Pema Pera: as best we can
    gina Broono: we are meditating
    We spent a bit of time on picking a day and a title for the theme session.
    Pema Pera: Geo, first day and time!
    Pema Pera: We can't back you up if we can't find you
    Geo Netizen is actually waiting for Outlook to come up :)
    Pema Pera: picking a day and time is GOOD :-)
    Pema Pera: okay, thank you !
    Pema Pera ponders a philosophy of waiting for outlook to come up . . . . .
    Geo Netizen: I can do a 1900 next week -after- Monday
    Threedee Shepherd: Well, I am GoC on Monday at 7 PM Linden Time...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pila Mulligan: hmm, after Monday ....
    Threedee Shepherd: cross typing ;)
    Pila Mulligan: maybe this time next Friday, it's May Day
    Pema Pera: How about Tuesday?
    Pema Pera: that will be Eos's new slot
    Geo Netizen: Friday would be good
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, he'd be agood referee too
    Threedee Shepherd: Tuesday works for me at 1900 hours LT
    Pema Pera: Friday will be my slot
    Threedee Shepherd: or Friday
    Pema Pera: either way is fine with me
    Geo Netizen: Tuesday ok too
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pila Mulligan: coin flip
    Pema Pera: someone make a decision!
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, Friday, which we will give me time to ponder
    Pema Pera: okay!
    Geo Netizen nods
    Pema Pera: Friday it will be
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Geo, everyone :) Night
    Pema Pera: Threedee, would you like to announce it to the group, or shall I do it?
    Threedee Shepherd: night, Eliza
    Pila Mulligan: bye ELiuza
    Pema Pera: night, Eliza!
    Geo Netizen: I hope we have a formal -question- to address :)
    Geo Netizen: Bye Eliza
    Pila Mulligan: i suggest that Geo and Threedee discuss the topic and mehtod before then and make the announcment together
    Pema Pera: "how to communicate heart-felt believes that are rooted in experience"?
    Pema Pera: is that formal enough?
    Pila Mulligan: I'd say let them discuss it first,
    Pema san
    Pema Pera: yes, I second Pila
    Pema Pera: *if* they do it BEFORE Friday :-)
    Pila Mulligan: oh, yes, timing is everythiing :)
    Pema Pera: Pila-san, I typed while you were typing :-)
    Geo Netizen: 3D has an outline of the question already I think
    Geo Netizen: It just needs to be formalized
    Pila Mulligan: formalizing next
    Threedee Shepherd: [20:18]
    Pema Pera: "how to communicate heart-felt believes that are rooted in experience"? sounds like a good starting place to me
    Pema Pera: *if* Geo and Threedee promise to send something out well before Friday, they should be free to do so
    Pema Pera: if not, someone else should do it -- very simple :-)
    gina Broono: communicate with honest open dialogue
    Threedee Shepherd: witgh peace and happiness as concrete examples (assuming concrete is a relevant word :)
    Pila Mulligan: they seem to be negotiating it now, perhaps ?
    gina Broono: touch and words
    gina Broono: be honest; don't be hypocritical
    gina Broono: that is my opinion
    Threedee Shepherd: Noi we are not negotiating. If I prepare in that way, I will lose too much new thought opportunity.
    Pila Mulligan: yep, honesty is essential
    Pema Pera: so who will announce?
    Threedee Shepherd: In part I think we are discussing if/how experience can become useful words.
    Geo came up with a great theme title.
    Geo Netizen: perhaps: How can the experiential be formally communicate to another using the experience of peace and happiness as examples
    Threedee Shepherd: Sounds good, Geo
    Pema Pera: very nice, yes
    gina Broono: communicate peace by setting n example
    gina Broono: be peace
    Pema Pera: yes
    Geo Netizen sighs wondering how he gets talked into these things
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: you're just too GOOD
    Pila Mulligan: by being peaceful perhaps
    Pema Pera: that too
    Pema Pera: so who will announce?
    Geo Netizen:
    Pila Mulligan: ESPN?
    Geo Netizen chuckles
    gina Broono: what needs to be announced?
    Pema Pera sighs and is willing to do so, if none of the main players want to do so :-)
    Pema Pera: Gina, this is for an email group that we are members of
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pila seems to fram it the best (at least from a PR standpoint)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: Pema is happy to step aside if Pila would like to announce!
    Pila Mulligan: no no
    Pila Mulligan: please
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pila Mulligan: its yours
    Threedee Shepherd: OOPS, WAIT
    Pema Pera: well, first things first: time for lunch
    Pema Pera: yes, Three?
    Threedee Shepherd: I was just informed I will not be homw next Friday night!
    Pema Pera: so Tuesday it will be!
    Pema Pera: right?
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, tuesday I KNOW I will be home
    Geo Netizen: K ... Tuesday
    stevenaia Michinaga: [20:10] Pila Mulligan: humble monk v. cranky old guy -- 10 rounds at PaB -- in search of peace and happiness :) be there
    Geo Netizen chuckles
    Pila Mulligan: have a nice afternoon,
    Pema Pera: Tuesday, 7 pm SLT, Geo & Threedee: How can the experiential be formally communicated to another using the experience of peace and happiness as examples
    Pema Pera: be well everybody, and good and peaceful :-)
    gina Broono: good day
    Geo Netizen: Pax et bonum :))
    Pema Pera: thanks a lot, Geo !!!!
    Pila Mulligan: malu & pono
    Pema Pera: vrede & goed
    I took off, and pretty soon everybody took their leave.
    Geo Netizen smiles
    Threedee Shepherd: Actually, Pila, I may seem crank
    y, yet I have never been happier in my life!
    Geo Netizen thinks it works in all languages
    Pila Mulligan: well, I'm happy to hear it, Threedee
    Pila Mulligan: thank you Geo
    Geo Netizen: Goodnight / Goodday everyone
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon
    Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
    Pila Mulligan: you don't seem cranky to me Threedee, Pila was playing -- hopefully not unkindly
    Threedee Shepherd: ^.^
    Pila Mulligan: some of the 4-a-day PaB sessions here have themes, gina -- Pema likes to send out annoouncements when they do
    gina Broono: Hi Pila
    gina Broono: announcements are good
    Pila Mulligan: the next one I think is sunday at 1 pm when Maxine contniues the dreaming theme
    gina Broono: part of communication
    Pila Mulligan: this Sunday
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Threedee Shepherd: Pila, I recognize a difference between "being set in may ways" vs. "being set in the WAY"
    Pila Mulligan: well, Threedee, I also appreciate the rigor of defining terms
    Pila Mulligan: it's just that at times the flow of words here drifts above my capacity, and overflows out of my brain onto the table
    Pila Mulligan: and then someone has to clean it up
    Threedee Shepherd: Squee, the answer is DEFINITELY yes.
    Pila Mulligan: hi wino
    wino Socke: hi you ok
    Pila Mulligan: have you been here before?
    Threedee Shepherd: Well friends, I will be off. Next Time :)
    Pila Mulligan: thanks Threedee -- see you next time
    gina Broono: I've been here twice before
    gina Broono: a little sanity from RL in SL
    Pila Mulligan: yes, gina, I remember seeing you before -- I was aksing wino :)
    gina Broono: oh sorry
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    gina Broono: i invited him
    Pila Mulligan: no problem
    Pila Mulligan: ok
    gina Broono: he is a special friend of mine
    Pila Mulligan: I gave him a note card
    Pila Mulligan: they like to point out how the sessiosn are rcorded and chat logs ar epostedon the web
    wino Socke: thank you
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: http://playasbeing.wik.is/ has more information and the chat logs
    Pila Mulligan: well, it is dinner time here, so I will be going -- see you next time SL4, gina and wino
    gina Broono: good night
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