2009.09.03 13:00 - Pros and cons of silence

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    Wol was already there as I arrived.

    Wol Euler: thursday 3 september, 13:00 (nearly)
    Wol Euler: hello storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Wol
    Wol Euler: I was watching you walk up on the mini-map :)
    Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... you know I always come from that direction
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Wol Euler: walking is unusual in SL, few people do it.
    Wol Euler: (it seems to me)
    Storm Nordwind: Or even flying. I often fly in and out from and to the same direction
    Storm Nordwind: All those engineers having studiously developed moving perspective... seems a shame not to enjoy the fruits of their labours
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, agreed.
    Pema arrives and wonders whether the pool's flora will have a permanent hue.

    Storm Nordwind: Greetings Pema!
    Wol Euler: hello pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Wol and Storm!
    Pema Pera wonders: will the pink in the middle of the fountain be permanent . . .
    Wol Euler looks to Storm.
    Storm Nordwind: Well, lets see...
    Wol Euler: it seems to meet with majority approval.
    Storm Nordwind: Personally I preferred it without, but I have no attachment to either way
    Pema Pera next wonders whether the color will be rotated, or stay pink . . .
    Wol Euler: fael was working on colour change...
    Storm Nordwind: That would be an easy thing to do... like the lasers in BaikUn
    Pema Pera: I was thinking more about one new color a week or so . . . .
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, I could imagine a slow random transition, say from pink to royal blue in forty minutes
    Wol Euler: so slowly that you wouldn't see it happening, and might not notice that it did :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Storm Nordwind: If no one noticed, what would be the point? ;)
    Bertram arrives and explains how difficult it is for him to type at the moment. Wol suggests a solution that is both subtle and direct!

    Wol Euler: hello bertram
    Storm Nordwind: Hi bertram
    Pema Pera: Hi Bert!
    Wol Euler: I guess the same point as when Being lets a tree fall over when nobody is near :)
    Storm Nordwind is also removing litter from the surrounding areas as we speak
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, I tried to do some of that earlier but don't have land permission.
    Bertram Jacobus: [sry, i have to explain : i´m extremly hindered at the moment, cuase my neighbour feels disturbed by my typing at this here nighttime] ... :-(
    Wol Euler sighs sympathetically.
    Storm Nordwind nods too
    Pema Pera: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: [so i can more read than type] ...
    Pema Pera: we will read between thelines, Bert!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ty pema ! :-)
    Storm Nordwind remembers the days of rubber keyboards
    Pema Pera: your neighbor must have very good ears . . . to hear a modern keyboard click
    Bertram Jacobus: good practise for me
    Wol Euler: she probably has a stethoscope pressed against the wall.
    Pema Pera: or a mike
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s a strange situation : everywhere in my life war suddenly. never knew such a situation
    Wol Euler: try saying "[neighbour's name] is a nosy intrusive bitch" quietly :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps you can view it as a test or an exercise...
    Pema Pera: or try typing it -- maybe that's enough!
    Bertram Jacobus: i do so storm
    Wol Euler: actually, no, that would satisfy your curiosity but probably wouldn't teach her anything
    Storm Nordwind: Morse code typing perhaps? ;)
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza ... :-)
    Storm Nordwind: I think teaching people like that is often a doomed enterprise!
    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!
    Wol Euler: true
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
    Pema wants my impressions from the retreat. This is quite tricky to sum up in such a short space of time; I had so many impressions, many of which were shared by others there. So rather than duplicate what others had said, I decided to share some things that I knew to be personal.

    Pema Pera: Storm, are you going to tell us about your impressions from the retreat?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram, Wol, Pema :)
    Wol Euler: yes, please do.
    Storm Nordwind: Yes sure, now that we seem to have a settled attendance
    Storm Nordwind: One thing I have to say first, is that I've haven't read anyone else's impressions as yet
    Storm Nordwind: So I may repeat what others have said! :)
    Storm Nordwind: The first thing I noticed is that we fitted together so well
    Storm Nordwind: And I think we would have done that whether it had been a social occasion or a retreat
    Storm Nordwind: It was great fun, for another thing
    Storm Nordwind: And when Pema was expounding his different views of how one may approach PaB...
    Storm Nordwind: (Relaxation, Therapy, Humanism, Transcendance or Radical Openness)
    Storm Nordwind: I found that, in addition to those...
    Storm Nordwind: there was simply the possibility of doing it (being there but also at any time)...
    Storm Nordwind: for the simple motive of enjoyment!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Storm Nordwind: And that this could run through the other five views...
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Storm Nordwind: or be a parallel motive, enjoyed for its own sake
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Storm Nordwind: The net effect of that, of course, was that none of the exercises or explorations we did were onerous
    Storm Nordwind: Instead they were all a sheer delight!
    Wol Euler smiles
    So there it was. It is possible to enjoy Play as Being explorations simply because we like to do it! :) Meanwhile, there was a brief interlude comparing the Second Life to real life. I realised that the lack of an ongoing chat log was a positive advantage in real life!

    Wol Euler: I do hope that someone was recording the various expounderies?
    Storm Nordwind: Hmmm... well, genesis was keeping a log of sorts
    Wol Euler: or that the speakesr can reconstruct them
    Storm Nordwind: But it was whatever appealed to her at the time (or, more likely, whatever she could keep up with!)
    Pema Pera: we often felt like scrolling back in the log -- only to remember we didn'thave a log in RL . . . .
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Storm Nordwind: Haha yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: : )
    Storm Nordwind: Actually that was a GOOD thing, not a bad!
    Storm Nordwind: It forced you to stay in the moment
    Pema Pera: nor could we take up a camera position for best view of the room . . . .
    Pema Pera: yes, I agree, Storm
    Storm Nordwind: And no one could admire your long hair Pema!
    Bertram Jacobus: some say, there were a log in rl too.
    Eliza Madrigal: haha..yes, wow, would have to get up and change views...
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Pema Pera: :)
    So now I put forward an impression I knew to be markedly different to most other attendees. Of course, an impression like that is very likely either to be not understood or misunderstood!

    First the impression...

    Storm Nordwind: We had a day of silence midway through the retreat that many people enjoyed and found beneficial
    Storm Nordwind: Though I have to say it was not to my preferred taste - though I did go along with it
    Storm Nordwind: (I suspect much of my raison d'etre is communication with people)
    Storm Nordwind: I did enjoy the discussions too. There were very many insights that were shared. Sometimes a 6 minute meditation sparked a discussion of many times that length
    Storm Nordwind: I found the discussions energising
    Storm Nordwind: But that's what you would expect from an extrovert - pretty much by definition!
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: so nice report ! ty ...
    Storm Nordwind: You are most welcome. I'm open to questions too! ;)
    Then clearing up a misunderstanding...

    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if, though resistent to the idea of silent day, you noticed if it was helpful for others or opened another kind of communication...
    Storm Nordwind: I did not say I was resistant! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay :)
    Storm Nordwind: I simply found less personal benefit than the other days
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Storm Nordwind: And I acknowledge many liked it
    Storm Nordwind: You will have to ask others about other ways of communication
    Then adding further insight...

    Storm Nordwind: For me it meant I was less observant of surroundings, though many found they were more observant. That's because when I communicate with someone I absorb the whole context from which they are speaking, including their surroundings. Perhaps for some others, speech can distract them from that awareness.
    Wol Euler: oh, how interesting.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahh interesting window, thanks
    Storm Nordwind: I don't claim to be typical. I am often the "problem child" in workshops, groups or retreats! >;)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Bertram Jacobus: why is that storm ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Much to learn from problem children ;-)
    Storm Nordwind: Good question Bert!
    Bertram Jacobus: hard to believe :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Oh no - it's quite correct. But I joke when I use the expression "problem child". I am simply very different in some ways. But I've learned to live with it! :)
    Bertram Jacobus: aren´t we all ?
    Wol Euler: differentyl different, perhaps
    Storm Nordwind: I have not had the time to enquire of everyone as yet! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello yaku ... :-)
    Wol Euler: hello yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Pema Pera: Hi Yak!
    Eliza Madrigal: I keep quoting Adelene from a few weeks ago, but she said "There's a definite upside to knowing that 'normal' isn't going to work for you
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: Loved that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Storm Nordwind: "...and that has made all the difference"
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: right
    Wol Euler: I love the smell of Robert Frost in the morning :)
    Storm Nordwind laughs

    (Wol correctly identifies my literary reference!)

    Now while adding further understanding, we discuss communication further...

    Pema Pera: Hi Mary!
    Wol Euler: it interests me that you were not so keen on the silent day, most people I've heard from loved it
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mary
    Wol Euler: but you are a retreatist from years back, perhaps you've done it before?
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Mary
    Wol Euler: hello mary
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello mery
    Bertram Jacobus: hello mary ... :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Sure Wol. I can do silence, and do do silence, whenever I want, but the chance to discuss with others is a rare treat
    And that is a really big point for me, the opportunity to be around such amazing minds. :)

    Wol Euler nods. Understood.
    Wol Euler: mary, I thik you were here a few weeks ago, we spoke about compassion and universal love. Is that right?
    Storm Nordwind: I give the silent day 7.5/10. The other days get 10/10. It's just personal best use of time. I'm quite happy with other's enjoyment of it
    Mary Korpov: yes
    Wol Euler: ok, welcome back. I'm glad we didn't scare you off.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mary Korpov: thank you
    Wol Euler: the silent day really appealed to me. Apart from meeting you all, it's the part that I would most have liked to try, and that I am most sorry to have missed
    Storm Nordwind: Silent retreats are very popular. And I'm the odd one out here. But that's simply because I value communication that much.
    Mary Korpov: Can't silence be a form of communication?
    Storm Nordwind: It can be Mary, either constructively or destructively. What did you have in mind?
    Mary Korpov: Not much, really.
    Wol Euler smiles encouragingly.
    Mary Korpov: Um, I actually meant that. I didn't have anything in mind--it was just a question.
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: What does anyone else think?
    Wol Euler: moods and feelings communicate without words, sure.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Pema Pera: in RL for sure; in SL silence is a bit harder to interpret
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, this sort of silence may be more a spiritual exercise ? ...
    Mary Korpov: But is't complete silence a way of communicating the state of one's inner being?
    Eliza Madrigal: I've tried silent days at home, find it enjoyable... the harder thing for me would be to not write
    Mary Korpov: I often go for several days without speaking--those are very happy times.
    Storm Nordwind: To me, it's like a radio Mary. You can broadcast, but you can't be sure anyone has a receiver switched on, or even if it's tuned to the same frequency!
    Pema now makes a point about what can be emphasised in communication when speech is missing. My response implies that these other forms of communication can be present anyway, silence or no, and because I find those forms of communication so desirable I emphasise them anyway during normal speech.

    Pema Pera: silence in words leaves room for smiles and gestures and many other forms of communication
    Wol Euler: :)
    Storm Nordwind: It's a sad world Pema where those smiles and gestures are not already present!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Mary Korpov: I think I'm happiest when I neither smile nor frown
    Eliza Madrigal: what's funny about silent days is that you realize how much you are talking in your own head
    Bertram Jacobus: i liked your remark with the writing eliza ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: ty Bert :)
    Wol Euler nods to Eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: tY ! :-)
    Mary Korpov: Yes, when I think of silence, I am thinking of silence in my head too
    Eliza Madrigal nods..and yes writing isn't silence either... so many angles I guess
    Now I briefly bring up a final and (to me) very important point about silence. Anyone who has both trained or naturally heightened sensitivity and a highly developed ethical awareness will recognise why this is so important to me.

    Storm Nordwind: Another thing is that people broadcast involuntarily. They may not want me to pick up what they are thinking and feeling. So I would risk intruding on their private space if I read those feelings
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    I believe our visitor understands this and contrasts the retreat (silent or not) with communication in Second Life.

    Mary Korpov: Thus the beautiy of the anonymity of SL
    Storm Nordwind: A crystal clear insight Mary! :)
    Mary Korpov: SL has a way of silencing our identities
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure I agree.
    Wol Euler: I don't know your RL name, or the colour of your RL eyes, but if we spoke here a few times, I think we would hve a pretty good idea of the person that you are.
    Wol Euler: we get to know each other quite well
    Mary Korpov: IT adds a layer of obfuscation. None of you can really know anything about me unless I type it here. There are no other signals sent.
    Mary Korpov: You can get to know each other, but it is voluntary, much moresoe than RL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello maisie
    Bertram Jacobus: but, as jesus already said : learn to know them from their fruits. here the fruits are words. and associations (!) ...
    Pema Pera: We were surprised to see how well we all knew each other, when we met at the retreat . . . mostly only through SL contacts
    Storm Nordwind: Oh there are plenty of signals... many cues - dress, timing, movement, affiliations... all as valid and misleading as in real life
    Mary Korpov: The only fruits I have are my melons, and I'm pretty careful about who gets to know them
    Bertram Jacobus: :o)
    Wol Euler: :)
    With a surprise passing shot, it was game to Mary!! :) Meanwhile a second visitor arrives.

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maisie
    Maisie Fonda: Hello. May I sit with you?
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Wol Euler: please do
    Pema Pera: Hi Maisie!
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Storm Nordwind: Oh course Maisie
    Maisie Fonda: What are you all doing in this beautiful place?
    Wol Euler: ah, two days old :) welcome to second LIFE.
    Bertram Jacobus: but i have impressions that some people like to be seen and others not - is that a platitude ? ...
    Mary Korpov: Must go.
    Pema Pera: bye Mary
    Mary Korpov: bye
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Mary
    Wol Euler: bye mary, take care
    Bertram Jacobus: hey maisie - welcome ! :-)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Bertram Jacobus: and hy ara ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :), Ara :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and hy adams :-)
    Adams Rubble: Hi everyone. I just had an urge to say hello to you all :)
    Pema Pera: we are chatting, Maisie, about many things -- including the nature of reality :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Adams!
    Wol Euler: Maisie, we are meditation and discussion group called Pay as Being

    Storm Nordwind: Play as Being! ;)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: pay as you be
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: rather than pay as you go
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Wol Euler: that notecard tells you a little about us.
    Pema Pera: a novel economic concept!
    Storm Nordwind: It's free though Maisie
    Wol Euler: hello adams
    We get so involved in these wonderful discussions, I feel that I need to remind everyone of another event just about to take place.

    Storm Nordwind reminds people of Stim's workshop in the Cafe starting now! :)
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all :) Thanks for sharing about the retreat Storm :)
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone who is going to workshop :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya in the cafe or goodbye
    Wol Euler: bye pema, take care
    Bertram Jacobus: bye eliza, pema and yaku ...
    Wol Euler: bye ari, yak
    Wol Euler: bye eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: ara ...
    arabella Ella: must be off to cafe thanks for reminder storm ...
    Wol Euler: *ara, sorry
    arabella Ella: yes Bert?
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Bertram Jacobus: sorry should be bye ara :-)
    arabella Ella: ah ... bye all!
    Bertram Jacobus: should have been ...
    Maisie Fonda: Looks like I have missed the meeting. Thanks for the welcome though!
    Wol Euler: bad timing :)
    Adams Rubble: nice to meet you Maisie :)
    Wol Euler: we meet here four tiems a day, at 1am 7am 1pm 7pm
    Storm Nordwind: Please drop by again though
    Bertram Jacobus: 4 times every day maisie ! ... :-)
    Maisie Fonda: Nice to meet you all. I will try to come again - I am intrigued!
    Wol Euler smiles
    Wol Euler: hello eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi all!
    Adams Rubble: hello Eos :)
    Bertram Jacobus: very nice maisie. and only the main time seems to be around one hour each. sometimes it goes much longer ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and hy eos :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Bert, Wol, Adams, Strom, Maisie
    Storm Nordwind: By now, Maisie, the discussion has either run out of steam, or we're all very animated... or we're just enjoying the silence! :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: for me the third storm :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. destroyed it ;-)
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Adams Rubble: I hope I am not a drag on the conversation :)
    Wol Euler: oh no, not at all.
    Storm Nordwind: Oh no! Perish the thought!
    Adams Rubble: I don't have many thoughts :)
    Storm Nordwind: We've done the "my impressions of the retreat" thing. Which are so very hard to synopsize anyway
    Adams Rubble: I am afaraid I am being called away. Good seeing you all and looking forward to reading the log for your thoughts Storm :)
    They're here Adams... a day or two late, but they're here!

    Eos Amaterasu: Ah! I posted some photos, which are flashback-capable :-)
    Wol Euler: bye again, adams :) take care
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Adams!
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye da
    Adams Rubble: saw six photos of yours Eos :)
    Adams Rubble waves bye :)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye adams :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes thank you Eos
    Bertram Jacobus: "okay" - i´ll leave , too. ty all and may al beings be happy, please
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Wol Euler: goodnight bert, sleep quietly.
    Storm Nordwind: hehe!
    Wol Euler: (tendentious joke, sorry :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. it´s very fine ! :-))
    Storm Nordwind: Now you will have to explain it to the others Wol!
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Eos tells us about an impression he's had since attending the real life retreat.

    Eos Amaterasu: TThe retreat had a post retreat effect for me
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Storm Nordwind: Oh Eos?
    Wol Euler: Bert has a nasty ignorant vicious bitch for a neighbour. Complains about the noise of his typing when he is in SL.
    Eos Amaterasu: More interested than ever in finding it in all situations - "it"
    Storm Nordwind: "nasty ignorant vicious bitch" is a technical term, right? ;)
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Wol Euler: it's in the ... damn, forgotten the name, the great big American official list of psychiatric symptoms and illnesses :)
    Wol Euler: DJMS?
    Storm Nordwind sidesteps to enquire more of Eos :)
    Storm Nordwind: Could you explain more of... "it", Eos? :)
    Eos Amaterasu: There it is!
    Storm Nordwind wonders where the bell chime sound went to
    Wol Euler: I heard it...
    Eos Amaterasu: I heard both pre and post bells
    Storm Nordwind: Hmm...
    Eos Amaterasu: retreat had a surprisingly permanent, or ongoing, impact
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Eos Amaterasu: That "space" is more tangible, or at least possibility of touching it, or being touched, more real, present
    Maisie Fonda: May I ask what the retreat was? It sounds exciting...
    Storm Nordwind: Sounds wonderful Eos!
    Eos Amaterasu: I think it's really that this kind of "practice" actually works - all you have to do is do it
    Eos Amaterasu: and we got a chance to do it more
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes... that's always the case Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm realizing now also expecially in the times and spaces between the formal sessions
    Eos Amaterasu: although those were powerful as well
    We've intrigued our new visitor, so we try quickly to explain what's been going on. In return she tells us of her interesting student project. How fortunate for us all to have met!

    Wol Euler: Maisie, Storm and Eos (and a few others) just returned from a week-long group meeting in RL
    Wol Euler: a meditation and discussion retreat inCalifornia
    Storm Nordwind: Maisie, this Play as Being thing that we do... we usually speak about it here and we practice individually. Last week was the first time we got together in real life to practice and discuss together
    Eos Amaterasu: kind of entering new terrritory as well, in spite of having done many buddhist retreats, group and solo
    Maisie Fonda: How incredible. How was it meeting up for the first time?
    Storm Nordwind: Play as Being is very powerful Eos. Anything that brings the "result into the path" can have dramatic effects!
    Storm Nordwind: Wonderful Maisie!
    Wol Euler smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: Maybe that was part of it - making a connection between SL and RL through the group
    Eos Amaterasu: somehow makes it more powerful on both sides
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Maisie Fonda: Is the group Budhhist?
    Storm Nordwind: No not specially Maisie. We do have Buddhists (like me) in the group
    Eos Amaterasu: this group isn't
    Storm Nordwind: And Christians... and people without any commited religion
    Eos Amaterasu: although it draws on buddhist experience, practice, theory
    Wol Euler nods. Lots of "unaffiliated"
    Wol Euler: though also great affinities :)
    Storm Nordwind smiles at Wol!
    Eos Amaterasu: as well as other threads, such as phenomenology, etc
    Maisie Fonda: It sounds fantastic. I am actually writing a PhD which looks at online Buddhism versus offline Buddhism.
    Wol Euler: oh wow
    Eos Amaterasu: Cool!
    Storm Nordwind: That's really interesting :)
    Storm Nordwind: You will find many interesting people in Play as Being whom you can talk to about things you may find relevant to that
    Wol Euler: definitely.
    Maisie Fonda: I am so excited to have found the group!
    Storm Nordwind: We do have some practitioners and (dare I say) a teacher or two
    Storm Nordwind: And a few philosophers too
    Eos Amaterasu: some here have had decades of buddhist practice, study
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Eos Amaterasu: students of Heraclitus :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Second Life has many pure Buddhist groups too
    Storm Nordwind: (and many impure practitioners!) ;)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Maisie Fonda: This is really great. I hope you will consider letting me eavesdrop over the next few weeks...
    Wol Euler: and plenty of jokes good and bad.
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Wol Euler: there is one thing we must say if you will be coming back.
    Storm Nordwind: You are very welcome Maisie
    Wol Euler: we record and publish these sessions on our website, the URL is in that notecard.
    Storm Nordwind: Can I suggest you also drop in on the Kira Cafe - right now
    Wol Euler: may we have your permission to include your name and comments?
    Eos Amaterasu is leaving for supper
    Storm Nordwind: There is a workshop on "Ways of Knowing" right now at the Cafe - I'll bet you'd find that interesting too
    Maisie Fonda: You may. Would you also consider allowing me to quote some of our conversations?
    Wol Euler: sure :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Maisie, Wol, Storm
    Wol Euler: bye eos, take care
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Eos
    Wol Euler: the website (wiki) has records going back a year, of the sessions held here.
    Maisie Fonda: Fantastic.
    Wol Euler: there is a built-in search engine, but frankly it's crap. Use google instead :)
    Storm Nordwind: Have you been to the Kira Cafe Maisie? You'll meet many other people you'd be interested in there?
    Wol Euler: yes, that's true. Stim's workshop is relevant.
    Maisie Fonda: Thanks Wol. You read my mind. I will head to the cafe now. I will see you again soon I'm sure!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Storm Nordwind: You have a landmark?
    Wol Euler: just gave her one :)
    Storm Nordwind: Great. Time to go then :)
    Wol Euler: bye for now, Maisie. have fun.
    Maisie Fonda: Wol just gave me one. Many thanks both of you. Good bye!
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now!
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Storm Nordwind: I have to catch Pema so I'll be off too Wol. Goodnight!
    Wol Euler: bye storm, take care.
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
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