2009.09.19 01:00 - Lotus-Born

The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bertrum,scah
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertrum, yakuzza!
Bertrum Quan: Hi Scath, Yak
Scathach Rhiadra: how are you both this morning/evening?
Bertrum Quan: Fine thanks. And you?
Scathach Rhiadra: fine thank you!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey corvi
Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i am also fine :)
Scathach Rhiadra: hello corvi!
Bertrum Quan: hi corvi
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hey ya'll!
Scathach Rhiadra: so, has anyone a topic they would like to discuss?
Yakuzza Lethecus thinks about the issue that i just like to read what other people are talking about, but the problem rises when everyone seems to have the same behavior :)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs
Scathach Rhiadra: yes, could be a problem:)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: yeah
Yakuzza Lethecus: did you manage to get sims lectures on a cd corvi ?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nope...but I did listen to the first one.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I have decided I'm not ready to be ethical yet
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but maybe I'll commit to sitting and thinking about guilt, instead
Yakuzza Lethecus: i just put them on my ipod and listen to them when i am hiking alone, maye a cheap mp3 player would be an idea
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..I think I just downloaded them badly, maybe
Yakuzza Lethecus: how to download something badly ?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: If I can get them in i tunes, i should be able to get them onto a cd
Corvuscorva Nightfire sighs..if it can be done....
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am the woman to do it.
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire says guiltily.
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you have the schema that ur not good in technical stuff and that prevents you from playing with those things ?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehe..I'm great at technical stuff..but I learn most things by trial and error, mostly error.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: and then feel terrible about making mistakes.
Scathach Rhiadra: best way to learn I think sometimes
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...I know this to be true..that making mistakes boldly can be a great way to learn and grow
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but...it's a hard thing to balance, too.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: making smarter mistakes, I mean.
--BELL--
Bertrum Quan: I've been focusing on a phrase for the last couple of days. I wondered if you all might be willing to share with me what it means to you?
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods
Bertrum Quan: In the pollen heart of the lotus...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: huh.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmm
Scathach Rhiadra: well pollen will be dispersed at the right time.... and the heart of the lotus?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm sorry, I must take my leave.
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Corvi, good to see you:)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: and ya'll
Bertrum Quan: bye corvi
Bertrum Quan: In the sanga I attended, the litergy included this phrase, In the northwest corner of the country of Origin, in the pollen hear of the lotus, you attained most excellent siti...
Scathach Rhiadra: ah, Padmasambhava!
Bertrum Quan: Yes.
Bertrum Quan: But I've really focusing on the image... in the pollen heart of the lotus... somehow seems important right now...
Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, well the lotus is sometimes seen as blossoming above the mud that it arises from, completely untainted or unobscured by it
Scathach Rhiadra: pollen heart could be like the seed, maybe primordial seed
--BELL--
Bertrum Quan: The Buddha seated there... The Buddha that is in all of us seated there...
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Bertrum Quan: just trying to picture the pollen heart,,,
Bertrum Quan: Just something I've been thinking about... you know how sometimes you feel something is quite important and you feel it's just not quite in focus...
Scathach Rhiadra nods:)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello ranjit
ranjit132 Zadark: hi
ranjit132 Zadark: can i seat here ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ranjit
Yakuzza Lethecus: sure
Scathach Rhiadra: yes, right-click on a cushion and select sit
ranjit132 Zadark: hey Yakuzza
Scathach Rhiadra: have you been here before ranjit?
ranjit132 Zadark: no
Scathach Rhiadra: we are a meditation group that meet here 4 times a dy and discuss the nature of realtiy and other things
ranjit132 Zadark: good
ranjit132 Zadark: verry good yaar
ranjit132 Zadark: you all from????
Scathach Rhiadra: we record our conversations and they are posted on a wiki, I have to ask yu if you agree to being included in the recordings?
Yakuzza Lethecus: germany here
Scathach Rhiadra: I have given you a notecard with some information about the group
ranjit132 Zadark: ya i see that
Scathach Rhiadra: and your comments being included on the wiki?
ranjit132 Zadark: ok
Scathach Rhiadra: thank you
ranjit132 Zadark: yw
Scathach Rhiadra: Bertrum, what is the rest of the piece which includes the pollen heart of the lotus phrase?
--BELL--
Bertrum Quan: I don't have it memorized--- but this sets the scene for the overall visualization... You are Lotus born surrounded by skydancers...
Scathach Rhiadra: could it be referring to primordial awareness, or the Great Perfection
Bertrum Quan: Yes, something about your sense of it rings true. The pollen heart--not just the heart...
Bertrum Quan: pollin hears has some many golden particles that sustain and must be carried elsewhere for the fruit to blossom...
Bertrum Quan: /heart
Bertrum Quan: has so many particles--golden particles--
Bertrum Quan: and yet they are concerntrated there as all of the infinite particles of awareness...
--BELL--
Scathach Rhiadra: the very essence itself, its thus-ness, so to speak
Bertrum Quan: I'm not sure I understand the term "thus-ness."
Scathach Rhiadra: um, suchness, true nature maybe
Bertrum Quan: essence--true nature. Yes, I see what you mean.
Bertrum Quan: That is what is embodied in the pollen heart of the lotus.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye the way, didn´t heidegger also say things like being as such ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i often think about the issue that meditation is related to eastern contemplative thoughts but is there a western tradition of meditation ?
Scathach Rhiadra: Heidegger was concerned with Phenemenology which is related
Scathach Rhiadra: or at least I think so, don't know much about Western philosophy
Scathach Rhiadra: and I am sure meditation is used by Western contemplatives, but I would have thought they are more concerned with faith, devotion and such
--BELL--
Scathach Rhiadra: but I could be wrong:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i still try to get more contact with the topci
Yakuzza Lethecus: answers aren´t that important since i never know whats true in philosophy of any tradition
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: I must go now, thanks Bertrum and Yakuzza, have a good day/night:)
Bertrum Quan: Thanks, Scath and Yakuzza. Bye eveyone.
Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye