2009.09.27 07:00 - Playing in the Band of Being

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

Adams Rubble: Good morning Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Good Morning Adams :) You look so fresh and vibrant...
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
Adams Rubble: Thank you Eliza, you too :)
Adams Rubble: Good morning Pema :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Adams, Hi Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema
Eliza Madrigal: Hi SophiaSharon :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)
Pema Pera: Hi Adams, Sophia, Eliza!
Adams Rubble pictures an usher showing people to their seat
Adams Rubble giggles
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi yakuzza, fancy meeting you on this cushion
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Eliza Madrigal: ;-)
Adams Rubble: Nice to see everyone on this bright morning in SL :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: Good day sunshine...
Pema Pera: oops, it seems I have to leave :( . . . . I'm in a hotel in Boston, and they just told me that the check out time in 10 am . . . . . . :P
Pema Pera: I didn't realize that New Englanders get up so early . . . .
Adams Rubble: oh my, sorry to see you go Pema :(
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema..yikes :)
Adams Rubble: bye :)
Pema Pera: so bye everybody, sadly
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
Adams Rubble: Eliza, how did the conversation about hesitation go last night?
Adams Rubble: I left early
Adams Rubble: and you thought there would be no trick questions today (giggles)
Eliza Madrigal: Hesitation? heh Oh... Resistance
Adams Rubble: ohhhh, I guess I was resisting myself
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: It turned out to be an interesting question... what are we resisting? How?
Adams Rubble: Pema was having everyone think about it during a 90 seconds
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and the idea being to watch it... Maxine suggested we resist reality
Adams Rubble nods
Eliza Madrigal: and then we discussed that the pauses are a way to relax/rest into them
Adams Rubble does that all the time
Eliza Madrigal: er...it? Reality that is
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: reality in how we see it, to see something other than our held notions of what we think reality is
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Sophia
Adams Rubble: yes, I see that Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: what's really real...
SophiaSharon Larnia: the resistence to that, thats how i saw it
Eliza Madrigal: yes, nice clarification SophiaSharon... beyond our stories and identities and obsessive/repetitive loops
Adams Rubble: lovely landing Sophia :)
Eliza Madrigal: what is there when we drop all that.... or rather let it fall off
Adams Rubble: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: just the idea we CAN let it fall off is radical
Eliza Madrigal: it still startles me to think in those terms...
Eliza Madrigal: and then let that fall too
Adams Rubble: I think we learn to drop in steps
Eliza Madrigal listens
Adams Rubble: baby drops first (hehe)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: dropping our avatars for example
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: seeing how they play in this world and get all involved with stuff
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm having trouble dropping free to say things here, that seems like enough at the moment :)
Eliza Madrigal: I've noticed that some change avatars/clothes, etc often...as a way to take the world lightly...and some change not at all, in order not to have the av's be a distraction
SophiaSharon Larnia: dropping fear*
Adams Rubble: I think I naturally drop tings when I walk in the woods
SophiaSharon Larnia: true Eliza
Adams Rubble: Yes SophiaSharon, fear is a hindrance
Adams Rubble: Of course me might ask what is the worst thing that can happen if I do ___________
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a relatively easy time trying on different notions, not much resistence there
SophiaSharon Larnia: communicating them is diffeent :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: different*
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: Some traditions talk about coming as a child
Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm, yes
Adams Rubble: to see and act as a child
SophiaSharon Larnia: part of my resistence, is wondering if what i see and think is based on a 'real' reality, and what is my imagination, and if there really is a difference between the two
Adams Rubble: naturally drop some of those hundrances
SophiaSharon Larnia: i can imagine some bizarre notions ;p
Eliza Madrigal: Imagination is a wonderous thing... can be such a pathway and such a block, too
Adams Rubble: hehe. I was thinking that Sophia :)
Adams Rubble: about me
Eliza Madrigal grins
Adams Rubble: It is a scary thought (giggles)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes! :)
Adams Rubble: taken those bizarre things lightly we might see they point to things
SophiaSharon Larnia: so what if those bizarre things are real :)
Eliza Madrigal: It takes serious imagination to be able to engage dynamically in SL and then also to take it lightly... a good model in many ways
Adams Rubble: well, Sophia, we can test them by some what ifs :)
Eliza Madrigal listens
Adams Rubble: I am trying to think of a good example that isn;t too personal :)
Adams Rubble: this week I had a very personal dream/vision that felt real
SophiaSharon Larnia: on of the bizarre things I think, is that thoughts are things, in the sense that thoughts carry energy with them, that can influence the manifestation of 'how things play out'
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Adams
Adams Rubble: well you can take one thought and test it, what if this were real, what would it look like?
SophiaSharon Larnia: but have no real way to test this
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
sophia Placebo: would filtering help ?
Adams Rubble: In my own dream/vision I felt I was someone else
Eliza Madrigal: And maybe you can consider the gravity of each thought... like items have varying gravities
Adams Rubble: it was very real and powerful
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb pema
Adams Rubble: but I came to see it wasn't my vision
Adams Rubble: wn Pema :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Pema :)
sophia Placebo: hello pema
Pema Pera: hi again!
Adams Rubble: that it could only teach me to be more understanding
Eliza Madrigal: WB Pema, did they give you a little more time?
Pema Pera: no, I'm in the lobby now
Pema Pera: I was allowed to take a shower, though!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
sophia Placebo: thats creepy dream , it would terrefy me ,but good thought you made of it
Pema Pera: rather more important in RL than in SL . . .
Eliza Madrigal nods, quite
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Pema
Adams Rubble: we started discussing resistence Pema and we got into the question about how we can tell whether something is real
Adams Rubble: hehe Pema :)
Pema Pera: real with respect to what?
Adams Rubble: our imaginations
Pema Pera: all phenomena are real . . . as phenomena
Adams Rubble: is that a fair summary?
Pema Pera: what did you conclude?
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: dreams can certainly tell us what seem like real things, though they are 'just' stories
Pema Pera: yes, like movies: the emotions are real
Adams Rubble: I was talking about looking how to test thoughts
Adams Rubble: what if they were real, what would it look like
Pema Pera: real in what sense?
Adams Rubble: yes Pema, very real
Adams Rubble: ohhh
Pema Pera: you mean what if they were more real?
Pema Pera: more real in what way?
Adams Rubble scratches her head
Eliza Madrigal: difficult to let those emotions go and hear what the thought/imagination/dream is saying
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe I meant a shared reality, one that is apparent to most, I see the distinction
Eliza Madrigal: rather than getting stuck there
Adams Rubble: we started talking about bizarre notions
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, shared reality :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: to step out of those boinds are where the resistance is
SophiaSharon Larnia: bounds*
Pema Pera: Ah, I see. I was taking it too literally. like you think of a beer and then it materializes right there in front of you? (^_^)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ha! no, not quite :))
Pema Pera: but we do share our thoughts, don't we?
Pema Pera: as thoughts
Pema Pera: (not as beer)
Adams Rubble: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: yes, we create settings and feelings and even to the point of 'hot' 'cold' etc
Adams Rubble: in sharing our thoughts we also test them
sophia Placebo: like you think that your nose is itching and suddenly you feel the itch ?
Adams Rubble scratches her nose
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Pema Pera: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: adams: that is a point i am often thinking about when i fear to say something
Eliza Madrigal listens
Adams Rubble: yes, easy to see that Yakuzza
Pema Pera: yes
Adams Rubble: we have a certain amount of trust in our group
Eliza Madrigal nods
Pema Pera: is part of the question how to honestly listen to your own thoughts? honestly enough to be able to share them?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know how i really think
Yakuzza Lethecus: if it´s really in language, if i know the appropriate words
Yakuzza Lethecus: what motivates me and what i really grasp for
SophiaSharon Larnia: my thoughts are clouded by emotional interfence, to take that more lightly and appreciate that too as the filter it is and see past it is very hard
sophia Placebo: i feel it like : do i truly can convince myself with my thoughts , do i truely kick that person outside my house cause he was annoying or cause something else i dont want to acknowladge ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
Adams Rubble: we can kick the person out or treat them lovingly :)
Adams Rubble: accept them and learn from them
Eliza Madrigal: Can we treat them lovingly while we kick them out?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: we can still kick people to tease them :)
Adams Rubble: hehe
Yakuzza Lethecus: right :)
Pema Pera: great question, Sophia!
Adams Rubble: ouch
Adams Rubble: (to the kick)
Pema Pera: probably most of the time there are hidden reasons
Yakuzza Lethecus: but that is exactly what holds me for example here, it´s that sometimes the conversations go into the direction of selfawareness
sophia Placebo: one can fool hiself with many ways adams , thats where im concerned , do i truley do it cause i trully see it is the reality of things or cause thats the way i like the reality of things
Pema Pera: shall we take Yakuzza's suggestion, for an exploration during the next 90 seconds? We don't know how we really think, so let us watch our thoughts, let's watch how they appear and how the disappear. Watching the thoughts as texture, not as meaning -- like watching the paint in a painting, not so much the picture. Is that a good summary of your suggestion, Yakuzza?
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: I think I took your last statement too literally, i felt my thoughts as textures, like if i slid my hand over them, they felt bumpy
SophiaSharon Larnia: smooth, ridges etc
Pema Pera: :) sounds fine to me, Sharon!
Pema Pera: nice to explore literally
SophiaSharon Larnia: it occured to me I could smooth them out, if i tried, nice exploration later ;)
Pema Pera: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: to flow rather than bump, SophiaSharon?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (and adds, timidly, they had different energy too, that I saw as color)
Pema Pera enjoys listening to Sharon's desciptions of her thoughtscape
Eliza Madrigal often sees color when I look at thoughts too...neat
SophiaSharon Larnia: tactile
Pema Pera: what did you find, Yakuzza, if I may ask?
SophiaSharon Larnia: it feels to me that im too much in body :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: arg i just deleted to full sentences
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: too much, Sharon?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant interpret the data without using physical senses
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was thinking about my encounter on thothica/phil house with a deafmute person and i still have the issue that i constantly ,,think in lanugage"
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow, they can see?
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i am stuck by the question ,,how we really thinkk"
Yakuzza Lethecus: and how many other people are interested in neuroscience and the issue of free will, and how i can get deeper into those topics
Yakuzza Lethecus: then i noticed that i can´t really meditate
Yakuzza Lethecus: then i noticed that i can´t really meditate
Eliza Madrigal: we're not free as long as we're aware of so little
sophia Placebo: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i still have issues to clear my mind of even my own spoken words
Pema Pera: there are two very different approaches to those questions: externally by studying neuroscience, and internally by watching and exploring our personal experience, and we seem to be quite far still from even beginning to be able to integrate those two.
Pema Pera: what we focus on here, mostly, is to watch and explore our own mind, and sharing that with others
Pema Pera: and just watching is typically enough, I think, Yak
Pema Pera: like watching "hmm, it seems I can't meditate, let me look more carefully, what is going on?"
sophia Placebo: sorry i need to leave , bye all and have fun
Adams Rubble: bye Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sophia :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye sophia :)
Pema Pera: "what is happening"? "why do I conclude that?"
Pema Pera: bye Sharon!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye sophia+
SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
Pema Pera: bye Sophia, I mean
Pema Pera: :-)
Eliza Madrigal considers that we need to factor in that we are never quite honest/real with ourselves... but in knowing this and sharing this way, we bring in another kind of authenticy perhaps
Pema Pera: yes!!
Adams Rubble: I am going to follow Sophia. Bye all for now. nice session. I will look forwarding to posting the log :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams :) Thanks
SophiaSharon Larnia: true Eliza
Pema Pera: bye Adams
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Adams:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i even think much about the issue how much i am myself or how much i am just a construct of the environment i´ve been nurtured in
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye adams
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eos
Pema Pera: Hi Eos!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eos
Pema Pera: Yak, most of these questions resolve themselves when you just watch
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hello SophiaS, Pema, Yakuzza, Eliza
Pema Pera: trying to solve them before watching carefully is the wrong order, I fell.
Pema Pera: like in science: first you carefully observe, in an experiment, and then you try to figure out a theory
Yakuzza Lethecus: right, but often it´s an issue which habits i should enforce and defend against others
Pema Pera: perhaps you can watch yourself looking at that question
Pema Pera: just tasting it
Pema Pera: without trying to force an answer
Pema Pera: like watching tea water boil
Yakuzza Lethecus: like using secondlife, how to explain when i am using it but i only percieve it as positive for myself while i can´t really reason for it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: you can watch that too
Pema Pera: it is amazing how much we can learn from just watching
Pema Pera: our mind is like dirty water: if we stir in it, it gets more muddled; just letting it sit, it will clarify all by itself
Pema Pera: (an ancient Chinese image)
Eliza Madrigal: Hmm, nods
Pema Pera: that's why the 9-sec breaks
Yakuzza Lethecus: i do, i often noticed how i just implicitly learned things and still get stuck at the things i always ,,conciously remember myself that they are hard"
Yakuzza Lethecus: so implicit learning is a major topic during my explorations
Eliza Madrigal: which speaks to the question you asked at another session Yakuzza, regarding whether we meditate to bring another state or the more intrinsic one
Eliza Madrigal: sorry if I jumbled your phrasing a bit
Yakuzza Lethecus: and a good thing around kira is that there are so many openminded people i think i would never even when to some art places if there wouldn´t be for example bleu around
Pema Pera: we are looking for knowledge, insight -- but perhaps knowledge is on the same level as space and time, already part of reality. It wouldn't make much sense to search for space or time!
Pema Pera: yes, Yakuzza, I'm also very pleased with the people we attract!
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go, take care everyone :))
Eliza Madrigal: the pauses give us distance.. time and space distance :)
Pema Pera: bye Sharon!
Eos Amaterasu waves
Eliza Madrigal: Bye SophiaSharon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye sophiaS
Pema Pera: and knowledge distance too
Pema Pera: away a bit from what we were caught up in
Eliza Madrigal considers.. makes room for surprises
Pema Pera: thank you, Yakuzza, for bringing up your questions!
Pema Pera: really fundamental
Eos Amaterasu: [8:05] Eliza Madrigal: which speaks to the question you asked at another session Yakuzza, regarding whether we meditate to bring another state or the more intrinsic one
Pema Pera: great question!!!
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: It gives a great context for the letting go we're always talking about
Eos Amaterasu: we might have preconceptions about what "intrinsic one" means, so that is also a question
Eliza Madrigal: what are we letting go?
Eos Amaterasu: letting go of our idea of the goal, for example?
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: or of the thought we might somehow 'catch up' with something
Pema Pera: yes, we don't need to bring on anything at all, state or even reality
Pema Pera: ideally, meditation celebrates what is there, rather than trying to capture or "do" something
Pema Pera: celebration then is a reminder of what is there already
Eos Amaterasu: the funny thing is we do seem to have the capacity to just observe in a state of somewhat helplessness, even letting go our inability to let go
Pema Pera: yes! that is true devotion
Eos Amaterasu: puts more humor around oneself and one' efforts :-)
Pema Pera: cutting through all possible problesm
Pema Pera: yes :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i will be off for now
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Bye yakuzza :)
Pema Pera: bye Yak!
Eos Amaterasu: Great to see you, Yak - I keep thinking of your village :-0
Eliza Madrigal: I love this idea of surrender and celebration
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: Blue, blue windows behind the stars, Yellow moon on the rise, Big birds flying across the sky, Throwing shadows on our eyes. Leave us Helpless, helpless, helpless
Eos Amaterasu: (Neil Young, "Helpless")
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: yes, great song and great album
Eliza Madrigal: shadows on our eyes...mm
Pema Pera: Deja Vu was the album, I believe
Eliza Madrigal: Pema you must like the song very much, as you are positively transcendent :) heh
Pema Pera: :-)
Eos Amaterasu sees Pema floating in the air
Pema Pera: hehehe
Pema Pera: Neil Young has such a great voice, going with the text
Pema Pera: that kind of plaintiff sound, like a sea gull
Eos Amaterasu: ah yes
Pema Pera: btw, any chance I'll see both of you in Malta in January?
Eliza Madrigal: hmm... perhaps not Malta... maybe the next one
Eos Amaterasu: Has final info been set on that?
Eliza Madrigal: of course I don't rule anything out, but :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, details would help get a clearer idea certainly too
Pema Pera: the dates are fixed
Eliza Madrigal: sounds wonderful though
Pema Pera: let me check when
Pema Pera: January 25-29
Eos Amaterasu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzReSBaben8
Pema Pera: Arabella is locating a place to stay and meet
Pema Pera: we'll send another email out soon
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: Eliza, is the problem time or money, or both?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, both usually
Eliza Madrigal: I have a senior in highschool this year
Eliza Madrigal: New fees every day :)
Pema Pera: :)
Eos Amaterasu has a junior in high school :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I might have made California had I planned earlier...
Pema Pera: well, we'll have another California one again in April
Eliza Madrigal: that was time really... first week of school here
Pema Pera: April 18-24
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that one seems quite possible :)
Eliza Madrigal: though, I did look up airfares to Malta anyway
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: we *might* find some funding to help with the finances
Pema Pera: like last time
Eliza Madrigal: would be a marvelous adventure
Eos Amaterasu: You should definitely do one soon, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: that was great that you were able to do that, Pema
Eliza Madrigal: It is funny that six months ago I would have been way too shy to think about it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: then in July we may go to . . . . Hawaii, wherever :)
Pema Pera: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Plus one in Germany.... right?
Pema Pera: the funny thing, Eliza, is that after five minutes everybody felt they had known each other for years
Pema Pera: effectively, that was true, through SL
Pema Pera: yes, Eos, probably in the Fall in Europe
Eliza Madrigal: that is certainly how it sounds... such a nice energy and comfort with one another
Pema Pera: but not yet decided
Eos Amaterasu: I think it made a difference to have first connected in SL
Eos Amaterasu: same conversation, different bodies
Pema Pera: absolutely!
Pema Pera: well, I'll have to catch a train
Pema Pera: back to New York City
Eliza Madrigal: :) Enjoy!
Pema Pera: through Mystic, Connecticutt :-)
Pema Pera: great train ride
Eos Amaterasu: nice!
Pema Pera: from Boston to NYC
Pema Pera: thanks!
Pema Pera: see you soon again
Eliza Madrigal smiles..yes sounds really nice :)
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Pema
Eos Amaterasu: Malta - California - Hawaii? - Germany
Eos Amaterasu: like touring with the band :-)
Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
Eliza Madrigal: Playing in the band of Being
Eliza Madrigal: surrendered to the music :)
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: I've been thinking about song
Eliza Madrigal listens
Eos Amaterasu: our identity as a kind of song we sing to ourselves
Eliza Madrigal: Oooh, yes
Eos Amaterasu: lots of repetitions, refrains, stops, variations
Eliza Madrigal thinks of moments when a live performance opens...
Eliza Madrigal: when a well known song becomes new
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: a life-long song
Eliza Madrigal: and everyone there shares it... can't hold on to it
Eliza Madrigal: MMM
Eos Amaterasu: it's how we shape space and time into the how of our own being
Eliza Madrigal: the how of our own being?
Eos Amaterasu: (Pema talks of the when, the where, the how)
Eos Amaterasu: the how is how our knowingness shapes our being in the world
Eliza Madrigal turns that over
Eos Amaterasu: someone once observed that song is slowed down speech
Eliza Madrigal: extended... in a way
Eliza Madrigal: stretched...
Eliza Madrigal: listening within the singing
Eos Amaterasu: yes
Eliza Madrigal: suspension sometimes doesn't break down but up
Eos Amaterasu: can you say more?
Eliza Madrigal: thinking of a note held for a long time....
Eliza Madrigal: and the opening that might occur just as one expects it to drop
Eliza Madrigal: or give up...same thing really...
Eliza Madrigal: but a kind of different direction
Eos Amaterasu: give up into, not just give up from
Eliza Madrigal: MMMM, yes thats it
Eliza Madrigal: give up into
Eliza Madrigal: Se Lah
Eos Amaterasu: c'est la?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: la la la
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh
Eos Amaterasu: songs may well be how language originted among us primates :-)
Eliza Madrigal: well that makes sense....
Eliza Madrigal: when attention opens perhaps refinement
Eliza Madrigal: is the natural course
Eos Amaterasu: that may be how openness becomes celebration which takes forms, in language, art....
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... and that is certainly something one can feel... whether an artist or speaker is celebrating... engaged from what place...
Eos Amaterasu: I was once listening to Lorraine Hunt Lieberson singing Neruda Songs (http://www.amazon.com/Lorraine-Liebe.../dp/B000JU8HJ2)
Eos Amaterasu: the fifth song, "Amor mio, si muero y tu no mueres" (My love, if I die and you do not die")
Eos Amaterasu: ends with a long, long, suspended note - absolutely heartbreaking
Eos Amaterasu: (even just thinking of it)
Eliza Madrigal: heartbreaking... helplessness
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: her voice and soul will live forever in that song
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes this is exquisite...even just the preview...
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you for pointing to that
Eliza Madrigal: Recently learned that pointing is the first way that children learn to communicate :)
Eos Amaterasu: hmm.... ---> there!
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: and when we notice that everything is pointing...
Eliza Madrigal: Hm...seems another little leap :)
Eos Amaterasu: "everything is pointing" - could be a great 90 secs instruction
Eos Amaterasu: Like Allen Ginsberg's advice to poets: "notice what you notice"
Eliza Madrigal: Ah! yes I think so!
Eos Amaterasu: Eliza, thanks for this time together - returning to RL....
Eos Amaterasu: See you soon!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eos, thank you very much