2010.07.05 19:00 - Aspects of Time

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia. This session was attended by Eliza back from Japan, Xeno, Myna and myself, later Stevenaia arrived, followed by Paradise and Bleu. The discussion seemd to flow about aspects of time.

SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi :), one sec... just now doorbell
SophiaSharon Larnia: no problem :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Myna :)
Myna Maven: Hi, waiting for things to appear.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Myna!
Eliza Madrigal: (back)
Eliza Madrigal: My neighbor needs us to move cars to get a repair vehicle in... hah...
SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh ok
Eliza Madrigal: Hopefully not too big of an ordeal but they need to lower a huge something...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm here though. sorry about that
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) I haven't seen for what feels like ages Eliza!
SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you?
Eliza Madrigal: :) It DOES feel like a really long time!
Eliza Madrigal: I'm well though
Eliza Madrigal: You?
Eliza Madrigal: (sentences out of order obviously)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Good! Looking at the computer screen very bleary eyed tho, atm :)
Eliza Madrigal: sleepy from partying? I was smiling when I read that you were wearing a tophat to a folk festival
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh Looks like Myna may have crashed
Eliza Madrigal: yes, hope she makes it back
Eliza Madrigal: Have you ever read her on the wiki?
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh hehe yea
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have, can't say I remember something off hand
SophiaSharon Larnia: are you home now then??
Eliza Madrigal: She writes beautifully, but I may remember that from the earlier phenom workshop at kira
Eliza Madrigal: Yes :) I arrived home last night, and slept twelve hours!
SophiaSharon Larnia: lovely
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow! What a trip
SophiaSharon Larnia: I do hope you will write about it!!!
Eliza Madrigal: Indeed a wonderful trip!
SophiaSharon Larnia: and tell us all!
Eliza Madrigal: :) I'm sure not everyone would like to hear all that... but thanks. :) I think most of what I'd say, like how great Pema and Kiremimi are, everyone has a sense about already...
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles widely
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: And what a magical place... how it seemed to me a perfect balance of modernity and appreciation of historical contexts

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: it seems that way in my imagination (during the 90 secs too ) :) How wonderful you saw that first hand.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Xeno :)
Xeno Octavia: hi
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, that I was there is not yet like a dream, but close :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Have you been here before Xeno?
Eliza Madrigal: meaning, it still feels like I'm there. :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow Eliza, yes
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xeno, nice to meet you
Xeno Octavia: twive -- i think
Eliza Madrigal: WB Myna :)
Xeno Octavia: twice that is
Eliza Madrigal loves Xeno's hair
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok :) And you know about the recorder and that we log our sessions?
Xeno Octavia: TY is kinda kool
Myna Maven: Crashed twice. Restarted the computer. See if I'll stay on now.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Welcome back Myna
Eliza Madrigal: Hope so Myna :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm having a lot of lag here too
Eliza Madrigal: yes, SL seems a little off
Myna Maven: I had trouble at the last couple of PAB meetings. Wandered around Kira this afternoon however for a short time and had no problems.
Xeno Octavia: why ii waited til 90 were over and i txt to be able to record
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)) Xeno
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting. Someone else asked me if had more trouble at the pavilion than otherwise
Eliza Madrigal: :) Xeno
SophiaSharon Larnia: I do more frequently here than other places
Eliza Madrigal: good to note... I wonder why, on days when not crowded
SophiaSharon Larnia: I've asked if it was the recorder, but I've been assured it was not :)
Myna Maven: I don't use SL for anything other than this so can't make any comparisons other than Kira. But I was also the only one online at Kira this afternoon.
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Xeno Octavia: ive had no probs coupla times were here
Myna Maven: I can say that I've not used SL in quite a long while and that I didn't used to have as many crashes.
Eliza Madrigal: What have you been up to Myna?
Xeno Octavia: but yes Sl is abit verblngrd : ))
Myna Maven: Life. :) And you?
Eliza Madrigal: :) Same
Myna Maven: (Nothing special right now.)
Eliza Madrigal: Life in its ordinariness is often quite special
SophiaSharon Larnia: something about that phrase is occurring to me in a lovely way... what are you up to? Life lol
Eliza Madrigal smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Eliza :)
Myna Maven: I feel a bit like a whale. Watching the fountain spout out above my head, looks like through it. Anyway, I had gone to Kira looking for the photo exhibit and then looked around elsewhere but never came across it.
Myna Maven: So where is it hiding? :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: emerging above the water to breath
Xeno Octavia: if in dome is kool show
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes!
Eliza Madrigal: Xeno you've seen the photos?
Xeno Octavia: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Ah! :)
Myna Maven: Really, I went in the dome (or I thought I did) and didn't see it. It appeared empty. Will have to try again.
Eliza Madrigal: Myna, let me give you a link to village hall. The dome is just outside of that
Xeno Octavia: took a friend to see them too
Myna Maven: Thanks, Eliza.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay :)
Eliza Madrigal: That should be the spot, and if not just follow the walkway and you'll see it to the left :)
Xeno Octavia: dome big kinda fuller-ite
Myna Maven: Again, thanks. I'll drop by and take a look.
Eliza Madrigal: I thought this particular project, and the session we had about it, were quite profound
Xeno Octavia: so is temp not perm exhibit
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Xeno Octavia: now that i think --most were from this yr

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: "Art as Being" itself is quite new. This was the second exhibit only, and there will be another soon
Myna Maven: What was the theme of the first exhibit?
Xeno Octavia: other nite someone sed a yr
SophiaSharon Larnia: it's just a few months old :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: the idea of it, the photographs been up a few weeks
Eliza Madrigal: The first was quite simple, as I recall the theme of 'being'...
Myna Maven: Okay.
Eliza Madrigal: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Art
Eliza Madrigal: Play as being, as opposed to Art as Being, is over 2 years old...
Eliza Madrigal: long time in SL years :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol I was typing that
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Xeno Octavia: ah i meant PaB
Myna Maven: Thanks for the link.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :))
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I've been thinking a lot about the topic of time, due to the new sessions on time coming up
Myna Maven: Was reading about that this afternoon.
Eliza Madrigal listens
SophiaSharon Larnia: I enjoy reading books of particle physics, theoretical anyway, and have to laugh a little at myself
Xeno Octavia: SL time very inyressing
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: laugh at yourself?
Xeno Octavia: how bout brian green
Xeno Octavia: tho he stringy
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, these theoretical concepts are all well and good, but thinking about what it means experientially
SophiaSharon Larnia: experiences of time
Xeno Octavia: yes why bother if cant apply
SophiaSharon Larnia: I used the phrase yesterday 'I needed the distance of time'
SophiaSharon Larnia: what struck me as odd
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's an interesting phrase...
SophiaSharon Larnia: distance being space
Xeno Octavia: time equally distance
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
Eliza Madrigal nods
Xeno Octavia: i use a 6D time/space
Myna Maven: Travel is interesting for how it plays with one's feelings concerning time and geographical distance.
Eliza Madrigal: Indeed! I left Japan at 4PM on July 4th, and arrived in Washington DC at almost 4 PM on July 4th. heheh
Xeno Octavia: and travel effect on culture
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahahah Elzia
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, internal distance... yes
Xeno Octavia: wow Eliza --u a traveler
Eliza Madrigal: Not so much Xeno, just recently :)
Myna Maven: :)
Xeno Octavia: i in Japan long ago : ))
Myna Maven: Things can seem literally a world away.
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: even mental states a world away
Myna Maven: Yes.
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder what part of your reading on particle physics sparked you, Sharon..
SophiaSharon Larnia: a lot, not very good at typing it here, builds on itself a bit :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) was worth a shot
Eliza Madrigal giggles... but I know those things are difficult to articulate
SophiaSharon Larnia: and truthfully, kind of embarrassed to babble it here, I know so little
Eliza Madrigal: I've read several books along the same lines, yet what I *know* amounts to a sliver....
Eliza Madrigal: but a sliver, as it turns out, can be quite informative
Eliza Madrigal: You never know :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but the point was, the theories are one thing, it's my experience of time

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Xeno Octavia: can u apply it to tantric dance - [yes i peeked : ))]
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: In my mind, they seem to be in different camps
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but that isn’t true really, just my perception
SophiaSharon Larnia: the way I itemize the information when I'm thinking about it
Eliza Madrigal: theory and experience you mean, or tantric dance and particle physics? :)))
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Xeno Octavia: shiva natara jand ai take on in dance [FL] and is particle physics
Eliza Madrigal: Florida? Hm, whereso?
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, the dance of shiva I've pictured as the dance of particles
Myna Maven: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: dance of probabilities
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, what a lovely image :)
Xeno Octavia: i dont kno what is tantric dance in SL
SophiaSharon Larnia: in SL it's a gathering with music :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and sometimes very good music
SophiaSharon Larnia: virtual probabilities
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :))
Xeno Octavia: i do have a friends sorta choreography for a triadic mandala dance --must be tantric-- end in orgasm!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Eliza Madrigal smiles... not sure our time sessions will be that exciting but you never know...
Xeno Octavia: is dance for six in SL
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
SophiaSharon Larnia: of course I got the dance of shiva imagery from a book, but once shown, like to think about it
Eliza Madrigal: A wonderful image though, Sharon... am actually musing on what you've said...
Xeno Octavia: some one at one meet here did giv andance anim run around an musicing
Xeno Octavia: one must [for me3 anyway] take on shiva being in dance and use it --connecting to others
Eliza Madrigal: Shiva and Shakti were my inspiration for the name of my alt : Lila Darkmatter
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: wonders if Xeno means....
Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: stop
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahhaha
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xeno Octavia: kool -- my usual dharma is lila yes thats it
Eliza Madrigal smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: i also have one, but dont bring her to PaB :)
Eliza Madrigal: intriguing...
Xeno Octavia: lila yana that is --a school for societal evolution
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Eliza Madrigal: poor Sharon's alt... she's missing quite a lot
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: another thing Ive been reading a lot is primate sociology, and the two topics are a strange mix hahahah
Eliza Madrigal: Oh My. You are the one who needs to do some writing!
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, she doesn't like the recorder :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Xeno Octavia: yes yes i too the diff tween chimps and bonobos major
SophiaSharon Larnia: and humans :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: throw in some Discordia and I'm set! lol!
Xeno Octavia: yes bonobos set good example for humans --but they decides ta b chumps
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm not sure of your reference, but would be interesting to find out! :)
Eliza Madrigal thinks of chaos themed sessions...
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, wait. that's the default. hahah
Xeno Octavia: lol which u an which ref ??
SophiaSharon Larnia: your last sentence
Xeno Octavia: mine on bonobos
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Stevenaia :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: still with sparklers and flaming feet
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
stevenaia Michinaga: Hi, eliza, you are back?
Eliza Madrigal laughs... must have been quite a party
Myna Maven: Hi, Steve.
Eliza Madrigal: Yes :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: July 4rth Eliza
Xeno Octavia: hi steve o the burny feet
stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, they haven't rezzed for me yet, but the party's are over
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal arrived home for fireworks last night...
SophiaSharon Larnia: what a time to travel Eliza, I would've slept 12 hours too !!
Eliza Madrigal: as I drove into the community, the kids said they were for me to welcome me back :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: sucked into a vortex
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: yay wb heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, plays with time, or at least one's experience of time... quite a bit
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Myna Maven: Bye all. I believe I'll head over and take a look at the photos.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Myna :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Myna :) Enjoy
stevenaia Michinaga: bye myna
Xeno Octavia: kool meetingu Myna
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too, I can't keep my eyes open
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, night Sharon. Good to see you
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) will read the log when i post it lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now :))
stevenaia Michinaga: night
Xeno Octavia: ah g'nit Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice to meet you Xeno
SophiaSharon Larnia: night
Xeno Octavia: yes and u
Myna Maven: Darn, I've forgotten how to use the URL to teleport.
Eliza Madrigal: Let me go over and tp you Myna...
Myna Maven: I think I accidentally sent Eliza an offer to teleport. I'm trying
Eliza Madrigal: then you can make a lm
stevenaia Michinaga: just go north Myna
Eliza Madrigal: then I'll return
Eliza Madrigal: brb
Xeno Octavia: i just flew til found --but i oletmer : ))
Xeno Octavia: aye steve ur feets stoped burnin
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, very hot feet the past few days
Xeno Octavia: better rain kools em off --last nite koold firey works
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a very god weekend
stevenaia Michinaga: good
Xeno Octavia: r u longtime involved in PaB
Xeno Octavia: hi Eliza bak
Eliza Madrigal: :) Ty, Hello
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a few years
stevenaia Michinaga: you new here
Xeno Octavia: ah kool --thought were only here for 2
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Eliza
Xeno Octavia: i think so
Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
stevenaia Michinaga: if you ever had a chance to get one of those "Pillow top" beds... PaB is like laying on one of those those, always a perfect fit
Eliza Madrigal: Oooooooohhh nice image Steve :))
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Rowan
Xeno Octavia: i dont kno pillow top beds
Xeno Octavia: hi Rowen
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Xeno Octavia: hi Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :))
stevenaia Michinaga: they are very soft and every time you lay down you say awwww
Xeno Octavia: Rowen kinda blau too
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rowan
Rowan Masala: I'm not sitting on anyone, am I?
Eliza Madrigal: hah, yes Xeno...
stevenaia Michinaga: not yet
Xeno Octavia: dont think so
Eliza Madrigal: Not at all Rowan.. lovely skin
Eliza Madrigal: blue and Bleu
Rowan Masala: thanks - just released Alpha.Tribe
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice... I'm enjoying this tribal theme
Eliza Madrigal: steve's tatoos fit right in
Eliza Madrigal: and Bleu's hair...
Bleu Oleander: love Alpha.Tribe
Xeno Octavia: tribal theme
Xeno Octavia: ??
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, one of the more themed groups tonight
Eliza Madrigal: :)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: just a little pattern I picked up on Xeno... nothing profound like 'time' :)
Xeno Octavia: ; ))
Eliza Madrigal: btw, what did you mean earlier by 6D, if I may ask?
Xeno Octavia: space time is 6 not 4 for each point in space a point in time --so 3D time is past present and future andt he moment is now
Xeno Octavia: body hangs in spac e mind in time --we all travel in time
Eliza Madrigal: body hangs in space mind in time... hm, trying to wrap my thoughts around that. Is there more you might say?
stevenaia Michinaga: Pila posted an interesting link about time and iChing, it's an interesting interview
stevenaia Michinaga: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8418409679371#
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Steve! :::saves::::
Xeno Octavia: mainly that the 'concept 'is mental but the experience if u live it is 'real'
stevenaia Michinaga: brb, RL laundry
Xeno Octavia: 'concept' that were
Xeno Octavia: hi Para
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paradise :)
Bleu Oleander: hey Paradise :)
Xeno Octavia: u very cloudy
Xeno Octavia: but here now
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so if you see this you can perhaps drop time, in a way? or drop the linear sense of time?
Rowan Masala: Hi Paradise :)
Xeno Octavia: yes Eliza time a volume not a line
Paradise Tennant: good evening all :)
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful dress Paradise
Bleu Oleander: hey Paradise love your new look :)
Paradise Tennant: thanks will give you landmark .. eshira I believe
Eliza Madrigal: My sensibility is similar I think Xeno... though of course changing. I don't have so much a since of 'points' but that linear time is mental/conceptual, yes...
Eliza Madrigal: thank you Paradise :)
Eliza Madrigal: or that points made into a line to 'make sense' is how we conceptualize...
Eliza Madrigal: something like that. hahah
Xeno Octavia: linear too limited point more for simply seeing volume of time equiv ta volume in space
Eliza Madrigal: Ahh, yes... along the lines of quality/quantity
Eliza Madrigal: (Steve must have a lot of laundry)
Xeno Octavia: i got a message before that a meeting was half over --it in a differ4nt part of present tho now mostly in past
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Xeno Octavia: but i not think about been using it for yrs now
Paradise Tennant: smiles :)
stevenaia Michinaga: back
Eliza Madrigal loves this topic
Eliza Madrigal: WB Steve
Eliza Madrigal: I think I'd better go though, still not quite caught up with sleep and such
Paradise Tennant: smiles good nite eliza sweet dreams :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see everybody :)
Bleu Oleander: nite Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Night :) Thanks
Xeno Octavia: nite nite
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now, see you again Xeno
Xeno Octavia: i shud probly b leaving too is late begetting

--BELL--

Rowan Masala: night
Rowan Masala: I need to go too. Goodnight, all
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you Xeno
stevenaia Michinaga: night Rowan
Paradise Tennant: good nite rowan :)
Bleu Oleander: bye Rowan
Xeno Octavia: and U nite all and u too bell : ))
Paradise Tennant: nite xeno
Bleu Oleander: bye Xeno
stevenaia Michinaga: I've been expecting your skin to rezz for a while now, Bleu, then I realized clouds never rezz
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Paradise Tennant: lol
Bleu Oleander: it's a painting
Paradise Tennant: one you painted Bleu
Bleu Oleander: actually not one that I painted
stevenaia Michinaga: there was someone here last week who kept speaking of linear time... and I was perplexed as it made me ask (to myself) what are the other kinds of time, now Xeno speaks of volumetric time of sorts
Bleu Oleander: from a painting my parents had, that I now have
Paradise Tennant: smiles time in all shapes and sizes and likely dimensions to boot !
stevenaia Michinaga: and many ways of seeing time
Paradise Tennant: you know it seems everything is in the seeing .. and maybe the not seeing :)
stevenaia Michinaga: and everyone sees differently
Paradise Tennant: we do :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the thousand words a picture evokes are never the same thousand words
Bleu Oleander: how true :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles said and understood as only an architect would !
Paradise Tennant: smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: be it a picture, or observing time
stevenaia Michinaga: of course I want everyone to see the same thing
Paradise Tennant: well if time does not exist more like dreaming time :)
stevenaia Michinaga: even my dreams are linear in time, just not sequential in space
Bleu Oleander: can you say more about that steve
stevenaia Michinaga: my dreams tend to take me places, but occur at normal linear time as I perceive it
Paradise Tennant: hmm they do not jump around in time ?
stevenaia Michinaga: move from place to place instantaneously, however
stevenaia Michinaga: they all seem like today time
Paradise Tennant: loves that about dreams so little time is wasted in commuting :)
stevenaia Michinaga: nothing in the past of future
stevenaia Michinaga: although for some reason I dreamed of a past client, but in the present
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure that counts as time travel
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Bleu Oleander: hmm

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: I wonder it there are time travelers in our midst :) maybe taking notes or coming back to iron out wrinkles :)
stevenaia Michinaga: figure one would spill the beans at some point
Paradise Tennant: smiles might be big penalties
Bleu Oleander: not doing too good a job at ironing out wrinkles :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but how would you know?
Paradise Tennant: imagines time as a bundled wrinkled shirts :) flapping
stevenaia Michinaga: I can do that easily
stevenaia Michinaga: so when someone brings an iron, time becomes flat
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Paradise Tennant: likely needs a bit steam ! too !
stevenaia Michinaga: I need to get off this laundry kick
Paradise Tennant: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: I;m done folding for the night
Bleu Oleander: :)
Paradise Tennant: laundry is kind of relaxing .. I like folding clean smelling clothes
Paradise Tennant: very calming
stevenaia Michinaga: for some, I prefer to have the experts fold
Paradise Tennant: well I must be to bed .. eyes are very heavy .. and the dog is huffing ..apparently I am keeping him up :)
Paradise Tennant: an expert fold is a lovely thing too:)
stevenaia Michinaga: night paradise
Bleu Oleander: nite you two!
Paradise Tennant: smiles nite steve .. bleu :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Paradise, If you are around on Wednesday, pls pick up my log
stevenaia Michinaga: I have a meeting that may run late
stevenaia Michinaga: unless you’ve already logged off... nevermind,, night Bleu
stevenaia Michinaga: :)