2010.07.14 13:00 - Pabian Pablovski and The Mad Blurter

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Eliza Madrigal: HI Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: It takes me a few moments to rezz on the laptop I'm using...
Eliza Madrigal: will sit eventually :)
Eliza Madrigal: How are you?
Bruce Mowbray: NP -- I've just read your notes on the Time Session wiki page.
Bruce Mowbray: I'm doing well, thank you. And you?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes and I saw that you have an account now... excellent
Eliza Madrigal: I'm well... visiting family for a few days, driving home tomorrow . Thanks :)
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: Yes I do -- thanks to Calvino. I tried to upload my notes for this week. . . not sure I got it right, but they're up there - somewhere.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce, hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
Eliza Madrigal: hah... uploading notes? Hm...
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Sharon.
Bruce Mowbray: yes. I can see them up there - not just the same place that everyone else's notes are.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi adoro
Eliza Madrigal: The wiki has some oddities. For instance, usually not great to post from something like Word
adoro Rhapsody: hi
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, adoro. Really good to see you again. Happy you made it back.
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I will check that fr you Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adoro
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Eliza.
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah, have you been here before adoro?
adoro Rhapsody: yesterday
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok :)
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
adoro Rhapsody: hi
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu... Ohhhh America's lookin good
Eliza Madrigal: hah :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: So you understand that we record sessions Adoro?
adoro Rhapsody: yes
Eliza Madrigal: :) Great
adoro Rhapsody: i saw it on he wiki
SophiaSharon Larnia: I just checked and saw that Eliza :)
adoro Rhapsody: i wonder what people do with that publication
adoro Rhapsody: of our chat
Eliza Madrigal: We keep up with one another that way adror
Bleu Oleander: lots who can't attend read it
adoro Rhapsody: i see
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Qt
Eliza Madrigal: adoro* rather
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt
Qt Core: hi all
Bleu Oleander: hi Qt
adoro Rhapsody: hi qt
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Qt.
Eliza Madrigal: Plus, sometimes we have rather intense and dynamic discussions which are helpful to read over...
adoro Rhapsody: i can imagine
Bleu Oleander: don't always get things the first time around .... need to review
Eliza Madrigal: So from one session to another we can pick up where another left off, or ask a follow up, etc
Eliza Madrigal nods
adoro Rhapsody: that can be usefull
SophiaSharon Larnia: more than once I read something I missed in the session because the conversation went fast
Sartre Placebo: hey everyone
Bleu Oleander: me too
Eliza Madrigal: I think it makes it a little more layered than an average chat
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sartre :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Satre
Bleu Oleander: hey Sartre
adoro Rhapsody: hi srtre
Bruce Mowbray muses to self and nods at Bleu: Hooray for the Red, White, and Blue!
Qt Core: hi Sartre
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Brb, am going to check something...
Bruce Mowbray: Red, White and Bleu...
Bleu Oleander: ty!
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Sartre.
adoro Rhapsody: wow
Bertram Jacobus: hi every body ... :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Bert.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram
adoro Rhapsody: hi bert
Bleu Oleander: hi Bert
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Fef :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Fefonz
Bertram Jacobus: heyy fef ! mr. bad connection (?) ... ;-)
Fefonz Quan: Hi all :)
adoro Rhapsody: hi fef
Bleu Oleander: hi Fef
Fefonz Quan: Mr. late coming from dinner at an italian restaurant ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Mmmm.. nice
Bleu Oleander: yum
adoro Rhapsody: mmm
Bertram Jacobus: could be worse i think ... ;o)
Fefonz Quan: indeed
Qt Core: hi Bert, Fef
Bruce Mowbray is away from keyboard for a few minutes.
Eliza Madrigal: Can you cook italian food too, Fef? :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Fefonz, who is Pabian Pablovsky. :D (refering to his email)
Fefonz Quan: well, mostly pasta, yes.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I love that name *laughs*
Qt Core: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :) heh, yes
Bertram Jacobus: agree : great name ! :o)
Fefonz Quan: it was a generic name i invented for PaB participant
Fefonz Quan: (if it wasn't clear)
SophiaSharon Larnia: was thinking pab and the pavlovian response lol
Bertram Jacobus: so - great invention ! :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: no it was clear :D
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thanks Fef
Bertram Jacobus: in which way could we response sharon ? :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Has anyone been working with the time writings?
Fefonz Quan: not yet Eliza
Bertram Jacobus: time writings ? no, sry ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: I was thinking several days ago, coming here and hearing the bell was a type of response Ive gotten used to
Eliza Madrigal giggles @ Sharon... cute connection
Bertram Jacobus: aah - i see sharon. ty :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: and likened it to a church bell, kinda
SophiaSharon Larnia: a call
Eliza Madrigal: It is like the anti-conditioning bell though... or hm... reconditioning?
SophiaSharon Larnia: right :D
Eliza Madrigal: conditioning with intention
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus looves church bells, but mostly and sadly not the services ...
Bertram Jacobus: oops
Fefonz Quan: (co-conditioning?)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (grist for the mill Bruce, even the funny little things)
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce is afk for a moment...
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh ops :)
Eliza Madrigal: He'll read when returning I'm sure... yesterday or the day before i talked to afk wol..
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs :)
Eliza Madrigal: intentionally... trusting time and the auto logger
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Fefonz Quan: this can happen in RL too, isn't it?
Bertram Jacobus: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: true
Eliza Madrigal nods
Fefonz Quan: i find being afk in RL to be of the most lucid moments
Bertram Jacobus: we have a comedian in germany who shows that very well in some scenes : there he lets talk two people totally different things but both don´t notice, like : i have a new very nice little dog - "answer" - yesterday my wife fell down ... ;o)
Bertram Jacobus: and so on ...
Eliza Madrigal: this is kind of what I've been working with this week... using it as my time homework... 'giving things up' ... pausing while present to not go 'away' but to let presence come up...
SophiaSharon Larnia: now wonder how many conversation I hear like that
SophiaSharon Larnia: afk a lucid moment Fefonz?
Bleu Oleander: many one suspects Sharon :)
Eliza Madrigal: it prob looks the same as afk... if I respond to the converssation at a different level than at the one I 'left' during
Fefonz Quan: i used afk as "without communication"
Eliza Madrigal: like "all ___ are dumb", and one responds with "the lilies are gorgeous right now" hehe
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Fefonz Quan: sounds like a zen answer
Eliza Madrigal: mu
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I see now Fef, and Eliza that is on a different level, soundslike redirection actually :)
Fefonz Quan: (mu?)
Eliza Madrigal: That seems the standard zen answer...
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bhang
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, sometimes it works that way Sharon :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bhang :)
Bhang Tyran: hello evryone
Eliza Madrigal: It has been a while, Bhang
Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you
Bleu Oleander: hi Bhang
Qt Core: hi Bhang
Bhang Tyran: namaste
Fefonz Quan: hi bhang
Bhang Tyran: how are you all today
Eliza Madrigal: fairly well. Yourself?
Qt Core: good untill a few min ago when a mosquito squadron attacked
SophiaSharon Larnia: good :) (now sitting on hands haha)
Bhang Tyran: im good good
Eliza Madrigal: hehe Sharon, oh please don't
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Eliza Madrigal: eeek, Qt
SophiaSharon Larnia: yikes Qt
SophiaSharon Larnia: are you in the middle of the woods?
Qt Core: no, in city center (and i hadn't seen them for weeks)
Qt Core: so i was totally unprepared
SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe you are particularly juicy
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok wish to retract your statement Eliza *laughs*
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: I've known people to take B supplement vitamins to prevent getting bit by mosquitos, maybe you are low in vitamin B
SophiaSharon Larnia: pretends she is at a quaker meeting and will only speak when inspired :D
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Agatha
Fefonz Quan: hi Agatha
Bhang Tyran: hahaha
Qt Core: will have to check B carrying foods (don't really like supplements)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :))
Bleu Oleander: hey Agatha
Qt Core: hi agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSl, hello everybody
Eliza Madrigal laughs at Sharon... aren't you always inspired? I know I am... heheh
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, and what comes out in words can be weird sometimes lol
Bhang Tyran: namaste agatha
SophiaSharon Larnia: shrugs
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ewan :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Fefonz Quan: (is it the opposite of expired?)
SophiaSharon Larnia: to not be inspired feels like something expired
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ewan :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but thats going too far i guess
Ewan Bonham: Hi folks
Eliza Madrigal: Hey :)
Sartre Placebo: hey ewan
Bleu Oleander: hi Ewan
Agatha Macbeth: Hello ewan
Fefonz Quan: yes, i see SSL, inspiration is about innovation, not freeze in the old 'expired' thoughts/habits
Bhang Tyran: its to easy to lose good thoughts if you wait to feel inspired
Bhang Tyran: blurting stuff out works better i think hahaha
SophiaSharon Larnia: great point
Fefonz Quan likes the word 'blurt'
SophiaSharon Larnia: even if you just blurt it6 to yourself
Bhang Tyran: who thought that up any ways
Bhang Tyran: "blurt"
SophiaSharon Larnia: rolls the word around
SophiaSharon Larnia: Satre gone amok
Eliza Madrigal: yes quite
Bhang Tyran: alot of innovative people carried notebooks so they could jot down random thoughts
Bleu Oleander: he must be blurting :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i used to do that, scaps of paper, a gum wrapper once, i dont know what happened to that girl :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aw
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: She's probablystill around somewhere :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: is a little alarmed by Satre blurting
Agatha Macbeth thought he was going to play the piano
Bruce Mowbray: BAK -- [back at keyboard] Poor Sartre. . . (!) and welcome to everyone whose arrival I missed while AFK.
Bleu Oleander: multitasking perhaps
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Bruce :)
Sartre Placebo: plurting ?
Agatha Macbeth: Too
Sartre Placebo: blurting
Bruce Mowbray: TY!
Agatha Macbeth: He hath a cup yet drinketh not...
Bleu Oleander: all spilled
Fefonz Quan: praticed patience he is
Bruce Mowbray: looking better, Sartre.
Agatha Macbeth: Aha, the curse of the AO strikes again
Bhang Tyran: are you a leprachan srtre?
Agatha Macbeth: Mad Hatter?
Sartre Placebo: nods :)
Bhang Tyran: oh hahahaa
Agatha Macbeth: I'll have to waear my Alice outfit
Fefonz Quan: Mad Blurter?
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: have to run... bye for now everyone :))) Nice to see y'all.....
Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
Fefonz Quan: (bye Eliza)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz take care :))
Bhang Tyran: bye bye
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :0 Have fun
Sartre Placebo: take care eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Just missed 'er
Bleu Oleander: hey Wol
Wol Euler: hello everyone else too, just wanted to get her before she left
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Woliphant
SophiaSharon Larnia: not the mad blurter Fefonz eek :D
Agatha Macbeth: Eek indeed Shaz
SophiaSharon Larnia: (refering to previous convo and not Wol!)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well she blurts too ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more? afk to me implies not paying attentionyay :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops
Fefonz Quan: Hi Wol!
SophiaSharon Larnia: erase that from your minds plz
SophiaSharon Larnia: Wol you are looking particularly verbalicious today
Sartre Placebo: hey wol
Wol Euler: ty
Bhang Tyran: cool feathers wol
Wol Euler beams
Agatha Macbeth: I think Bleu gets the prize tonight tho
SophiaSharon Larnia: and Bleu too, sorry I havent said yet ( i thought i did)
Bleu Oleander: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay :)
Agatha Macbeth: That is awesome
Agatha Macbeth: What is it btw?
Bleu Oleander: wearing my nationality on my sleeve so to speak
Wol Euler: :)
Bleu Oleander: so I can remember to "drop" it
Wol Euler: matching the cuffs and laces of your boots to the pants' red was a nice touch
Bleu Oleander: I am a detail av
Wol Euler: indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Shades of Captain America
Agatha Macbeth: (For those who go back that far)
Bleu Oleander: the texture is actually a Jasper Johns painting
Wol Euler: yes!
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Wol Euler: hehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: Agatha lol
Wol Euler: props to me, I thought so
Bleu Oleander: say it sell for 28 million
Bleu Oleander: thought it was av worthy
Wol Euler: indeed
SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking that something with blood on it as a symbol it kinda awful
SophiaSharon Larnia: but maybe i should leave because my impulse conrol today is wonky
Agatha Macbeth: Blood? Where?
Fefonz Quan: (what blood?)
Wol Euler: eh?
SophiaSharon Larnia: the flag. that is what the red is
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
Bruce Mowbray: Impulse is "good," Sharon. Please stay and shares your impulses with us.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i felt that this July like never before
Agatha Macbeth: 'The blood of the patriots' kinda thing
SophiaSharon Larnia: I 'knew' that of course, but it didnt sit with me like that
Wol Euler: huh
Bruce Mowbray: I hear there's talk of changing the red to oi-spill color.
Bleu Oleander: yes, need to remember that
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ick
Bruce Mowbray: oil-spill.
Bleu Oleander: oil and stars
SophiaSharon Larnia: oil spill is that worse or no? hmm
Qt Core: oil and sparks... interesting mix
Bruce Mowbray: Not to be a downer, but the earth is bleeding, folks.
Fefonz Quan: (should be directed by Spilberg?)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Agatha Macbeth doesn't know Spilberg :p
Bhang Tyran: i heard they are burning the oil slick in some places
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry QT
Qt Core: and the knife seems to enjoy it
Qt Core: agatha ?
Agatha Macbeth: Spilberg?
Fefonz Quan: knife?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I had this bizarre notion the other day tho, that without the industrial revolution and all the damage that has followed, that we would not have the leisure time to sit and contemplate our world, or anything
SophiaSharon Larnia: not a new concept, but *feel* that more
Qt Core: the one cutting the earth
Agatha Macbeth: You're probably right Shaz
Bhang Tyran: and whales and crap are surfacing under the fire
SophiaSharon Larnia: especially not physics
Agatha Macbeth: Burning crap? Yuk
SophiaSharon Larnia: so it is almost like some terrible trade off
Agatha Macbeth stands downwind of the Gulf of Mexico
Bhang Tyran: this is THE worst spill in history
Qt Core: but where are the 8 (not 80) hours long weeks of work that were announced thanks to the tech in the beginning of the XX century ?
Bruce Mowbray: Agatha, better to stand UPwind of the Gulf these days.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I read the panama canel spill was worse per gallon, but im not sure about that
Agatha Macbeth: Not if there's burning crap around Bruce
Bleu Oleander: industrial revol promised more leisure time, but how many really have more leisure time?
SophiaSharon Larnia: right
Wol Euler: sorry, but he's right. Upwind is the safe and clean side
SophiaSharon Larnia: for the middle class
Bleu Oleander: not too many of them either
Bhang Tyran: and the natural gas that comes up is directly burned they arent even trying to catch it
Agatha Macbeth: Ok then upwind
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Agatha Macbeth: The bit where the smell isn't (wherever that is)
Ewan Bonham: the reson we don't have more time, i think is because we have chosen to run the materialism rat race
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Fefonz Quan nods to Ewan
Bruce Mowbray: agreed, Ewan. The thing is how to choose to get OUT of that race.
Fefonz Quan: not that it's easy ro run (sit) against it
Bleu Oleander: hard to do now
Agatha Macbeth: Get disqualified?
Bleu Oleander: already did that
Agatha Macbeth: Damn
Bleu Oleander: by being in the arts :)
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Bleu - several times.
Agatha Macbeth: A kick in the arts
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone, have fun :))
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: bye Sharon
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Sharon!
Agatha Macbeth: Take care Sharon, mind the blood ;-)
Qt Core: bye ssl
Wol Euler: bye sharon
Fefonz Quan: Bye ssharon)
Bleu Oleander: bye all :)
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ms USA :)
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Bhang Tyran: bye bleu
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Bleu.
Fefonz Quan: Good night all!
Qt Core: 'night Fef
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fonzie
Wol Euler: bye fef
Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
Bruce Mowbray: bye, fef.
Agatha Macbeth: And he rode off into the sunset....
Bruce Mowbray wonders: 'Who WAS that masked man?'
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Adam Ant?
Bruce Mowbray: [with a hearty, "Hi HO, Silverrrrrrr....!]
Agatha Macbeth: Why not?
Bruce Mowbray: [awayyyyyy!]
Wol Euler: wow, ara!
arabella Ella: Hiya
Wol Euler: quite a new look
arabella Ella: :)
Qt Core: hi Ara
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, ara!
arabella Ella: following your good example Wol
Wol Euler: ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Evenin' Ara :)
Agatha Macbeth: You look cool
arabella Ella: ty
arabella Ella: hope i havent sat on anyone's lap
Agatha Macbeth: (I meant literally)
arabella Ella: it is literally really hot here at the moment nearly 40 celsius
Bruce Mowbray: nope. but does everyone know that one can adjust the sitting posture by left-clicking on the cushions?
Bruce Mowbray: 40 C? WOW -- THAT's HOT!
arabella Ella: it sure is
Wol Euler: wowo
Agatha Macbeth: Glad I'm not there then
Ewan Bonham: where are you, ella?
arabella Ella: only cool place is in the sea
Qt Core: we are waiting the 40C for friday :-(
arabella Ella: i am on an island in the mediterranean Ewan
Ewan Bonham: by greece?
--BELL--
arabella Ella: ah Qt you know what i mean :)
arabella Ella: closer to italy
arabella Ella: love the amber hues Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Forever amber :)
arabella Ella: and forever young too :)
Agatha Macbeth: No fair
arabella Ella: ?
Wol Euler: ty
Ewan Bonham: Ella, what country is the island in?
arabella Ella: the island is a nation srate in and of itself
arabella Ella: Malta
arabella Ella: do you know it?
Ewan Bonham: Oh, of course
Ewan Bonham: Well known
arabella Ella: even more south than the northernmost part of north africa
arabella Ella: yet part of europe
arabella Ella: annd a full member of the EU
Agatha Macbeth is still trying to work that out
arabella Ella: ehrm ... Tunis is more north latitude wise
arabella Ella: where are you Ewan?
arabella Ella: besides being in SL
Agatha Macbeth: On a cushion
Ewan Bonham: Oh, I am in Florida
Ewan Bonham: SW end of it
arabella Ella: oh across the large pond then
Agatha Macbeth: Pretty warm too I would imagine
Ewan Bonham: yes
Ewan Bonham: It gets hot and humid here, but that is normal
arabella Ella: is tha where the everglades are?
Agatha Macbeth: And the 'gators
Bruce Mowbray this talk of heat and humidity causes me to want to take off my shirt.
arabella Ella: LOL
Ewan Bonham: lol
Qt Core: quite normal here in south europe too, but we are less used to AC and we love to complain about it too
Agatha Macbeth: Again?
arabella Ella: yes I hate AC
Qt Core: saturday i was surviving, almost enjoying the heat
Qt Core: then i had to go for several hours in a Aced mall, lovely cold temp
Qt Core: but then i could not survive back in the NATURAL temp
arabella Ella: you need a holiday home Qt like most italians ... in Liguria or Veneo or Puglia
Agatha Macbeth: i love to stand in the frozen food section at the supermarket
arabella Ella: (Veneto)
Bruce Mowbray: I take my laptop to the public library -- let them pay for the A/C and the internet.
arabella Ella: well Ags you got Iceland in the UK dont you
Qt Core: there are a couple chains that keep AC at (very) low 20 i think... assassins!
arabella Ella: LOL
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, but no volcano :)
arabella Ella: oh you like volcanos i see?
Agatha Macbeth: Quiet ones
arabella Ella: in eruption?
arabella Ella: the etna in Sicily can be quite spectacular at times
Agatha Macbeth: Actually I think they're quite beautiful
arabella Ella: they are ... honestly
Agatha Macbeth: as along as you're a safe distance away
Agatha Macbeth: -a
arabella Ella: well as some of you may know the ancient greeks built a lovely amphitheate in Taormina in Sicily with the Etna as a natural backdrop and it still looks so magnificient and so clever too
--BELL--
Ewan Bonham: Well i will take my leave for now...:)
Ewan Bonham: Nice chatting
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Ewan.
arabella Ella: bye Ewan
Agatha Macbeth: Take care Ewan
Wol Euler: bye ewan
Qt Core: bye Ewan
Ingrid Manen: hi
Qt Core: Hi Ingrid
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ingrid
Wol Euler: hello ingrid
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Ingrid.
Agatha Macbeth: Have you been here before Ingrid?
Ingrid Manen: no I think this is the first time
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, someone needs to introduce you then and the GoC just left
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, I'll give you a couple of notecards about us
Ingrid Manen: You mean this is not public?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it is :)
Ingrid Manen: oh ok
Agatha Macbeth: But what we say here is recorded and published on our Wiki
Ingrid Manen: ok
Agatha Macbeth: We need your permission to include your comments :)
Ingrid Manen: you have the permission
Agatha Macbeth: Thank you :)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: It's part of the Lindens' Terms of service you see
Qt Core: so even more public than most places ;-)
Agatha Macbeth grins
arabella Ella: nice to meet you Ingrid welcome!
Ingrid Manen: thanks
arabella Ella: and Bruce I love your pet fish, so cool
arabella Ella: looks so faithful too
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, ara! Blub loves you back.
Ingrid Manen: I see you explore reality
Wol Euler: we try
arabella Ella: :)
Ingrid Manen: ok
Agatha Macbeth: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
Ingrid Manen: can I ask a question?
Agatha Macbeth: That will give you a better idea of what we are about
Wol Euler: sure
Bruce Mowbray: "reality" - Is that what they call it?
Agatha Macbeth: Of course ^.^
Ingrid Manen: how to you think of a life after this life?
Wol Euler: I don't think of it :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, complex stuff...
Bruce Mowbray: getting out of the race...?
Agatha Macbeth nods
Wol Euler: but that's just my opinion
arabella Ella: i guess we may all have different opinions
Ingrid Manen: of course
Bruce Mowbray: merging into the Whole?
Ingrid Manen: that is why I ask
Ingrid Manen: yes
Bruce Mowbray: returning to the Flow.
Ingrid Manen: do we die and that was it?
arabella Ella: i myself love to believe in a life after this one but it is all a great mystery
Ingrid Manen: or is there more
Bruce Mowbray: letting loose these wee molecules to find their way into more fascinating bodies than my own.
Wol Euler: there may well be more, but "we" will not know it, because the "us" that experiences and remembers ceases to be
Wol Euler: the new life is lived by a different person
Qt Core: but then a life after this one could go from hell to paradise to a waiting area before reincarnation to nirvana
Bruce Mowbray: fertilizer for trees.
Ingrid Manen: lol
Wol Euler: food for worms
Agatha Macbeth: And that's only if you accept the concept of linear time ;-)
Ingrid Manen: well that would also be a kind of reincarnation
Bruce Mowbray: becoming the fish that ate the worms.
arabella Ella: a great deal depends on one's belief or otherwise in a supernatural being
Ingrid Manen: yes
Ingrid Manen: because when you think of a life after this one.... it also makes you think of this life
Agatha Macbeth: How do you know what is 'after' 'before' and what is 'now'?
Ingrid Manen: sure
Ingrid Manen: the order is not important
arabella Ella: ah Ags that is such a profound philosophical question I am impressed!
Agatha Macbeth: Or may be illusory
Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
arabella Ella: you sound a bit like St Augustine who spoke on that topic way back in time
Qt Core: when things get lively ;-) i have to go, bye all and have fun
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt.
arabella Ella: notte Qt sogni d'oro!
Ingrid Manen: bye
Agatha Macbeth: 'Time is an illusion, dinnertime doubly so' - Ford Prefect :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Qt Core: 'notte Ara
Ingrid Manen: second life is an illusion
Ingrid Manen: why not rl too
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but a damn good one
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Bruce Mowbray: Those wishing to explore 'past' 'present'and 'future' further may wish to come to the Time Sessions on Friday - 6 a.m. slt - here.
Agatha Macbeth: How do we know our RL selves are not Avs of greater beings?
Ingrid Manen: right
Ingrid Manen: what is the meaning of rl?
Wol Euler: we are Being's avatars
Bruce Mowbray: Real Life. (but the "real" part is questionable).
Agatha Macbeth: Same thing :)
Ingrid Manen: what is in a name?
Agatha Macbeth: Like 'real' man
arabella Ella: LOL
Ingrid Manen: so perhaps rl is just a way of communicating
Agatha Macbeth: What is a Real Man?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Ingrid Manen: but better than sl
arabella Ella: you tell us Ags?
Ingrid Manen: a larger program
Agatha Macbeth: Someone with a hairy chest and a medallion?
arabella Ella: nd a six pack chest
Agatha Macbeth: And a big...
Agatha Macbeth: ego
Wol Euler snorts
Agatha Macbeth puts down her soap box
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha -- hairy chest and medallion - 6-pacl. Oh year, sure.
Bruce Mowbray: yeah.
Agatha Macbeth: (I didn't mean you Bruce :))
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)))))))
arabella Ella: that is Aga's british irony Bruce
Bruce Mowbray thinks: "My chest isn't a BIT hairy!"
Ingrid Manen: but if we do not know about the next life (or previous) what would you expect from it?
Agatha Macbeth: He hopes...;-)
Ingrid Manen: like heaven or hell.....
Ingrid Manen: or the same life, just another avatar?
Agatha Macbeth: Well I think H & H are largely relgious dogmas
Wol Euler: about real men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE
Agatha Macbeth: 'Sugar candy Mountain' and all that
Agatha Macbeth: (Oh no)
Ingrid Manen: yes but psychologically thay stand for something
Ingrid Manen: H & H
arabella Ella: well if i may dare to say so ... if God is good and just and merciful, then there can be no hell but only various grades of happiness in what we may consider as heaven
Agatha Macbeth: I preferred the one with the tidal wave
Ingrid Manen: Yes Arabella, I understand
Ingrid Manen: but do you have an expectation of a heaven then?
Ingrid Manen: an impression of how it should be?
arabella Ella: I hope Ingrid but knowledge is different from hope
Bruce Mowbray thinks: now HERE is a REAL man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-kSZ...eature=related
Ingrid Manen: of course we cannot have knowledge of it
Ingrid Manen: unless
Ingrid Manen: rl is really a programm
Ingrid Manen: alike sl
Agatha Macbeth: Must love you and leave you folks, take care
Ingrid Manen: bye
Bruce Mowbray: Take care, AGATHA!
Wol Euler: bye aggers, take care
arabella Ella: bye Ags
Wol Euler: I should be off too, it's nearly midnight
Wol Euler: bye for now, my dears
arabella Ella: what do you believe then Ingrid?
arabella Ella: bye Wol take care
Ingrid Manen: bye wol
Ingrid Manen: what I think....
arabella Ella: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Wol.
Bruce Mowbray: If I might wedge into the discussion of Heaven, Hell, God, etc.... I'm sort of a polytheistic pantheist - - seeing an infinity of divinities in and as Nature.
Ingrid Manen: I first have to think of the meaning of this life
Ingrid Manen: I think this life is an analogy of second life
arabella Ella: i can understand your point o view Bruce
Ingrid Manen: it would explain the meaning of life better
Bruce Mowbray: I cannot look at a leaf without seeing the face of God.
Ingrid Manen: you die and you get a new avatar
Ingrid Manen: learn again
Ingrid Manen: fall in love again
Ingrid Manen: have a job again
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Ingrid Manen: new chance
Ingrid Manen: chances
Ingrid Manen: new possibilities
Ingrid Manen: the muslim people think of an after life
Ingrid Manen: they have to live well now to earn a afterlife
arabella Ella nods
Ingrid Manen: the bad will be sent to hell
Ingrid Manen: and the good will end up in heaven
Ingrid Manen: but heaven could not be a dull place without excitement
Bruce Mowbray: So, divine justice trumps divine forgiveness, love?
Ingrid Manen: it could not be a place where all your wishes will be fulfilled
arabella Ella: i tend to disagree with you there ingrid
Ingrid Manen: so if heaven would be pleasant, it would have to have a struggle for life
arabella Ella: it is more like living in a state of contentment rather than having desires fulfilled
Ingrid Manen: only then it would be exciting
Ingrid Manen: ok
Ingrid Manen: but if heaven is a state
Bruce Mowbray is confused: Go to hell for fulfilling wishes in THIS life but then get wishes fulfilled in AFTER life. . . ?
Ingrid Manen: there is no growth
arabella Ella: i also doubt whether it needs to be exciting if we would be contended ... exactly in a state of contentment where we need absolutely nothing
Ingrid Manen: but that would be equal to death
Ingrid Manen: death is a state
Ingrid Manen: like
Bruce Mowbray: Are there conflicts in Heaven, then?
Ingrid Manen: if it would be like sitting on the beach with a bottle of coke all day watching life
Ingrid Manen: we would not need a brain right?
Ingrid Manen: only eyes
Bruce Mowbray: So conflict as "meaning" to one's existence in Heaven?
Ingrid Manen: it would almost be equal to death
Bruce Mowbray: adds meaning.
Ingrid Manen: I expect conflicts in heaven
Bruce Mowbray: mmmm....
Ingrid Manen: happiness of one will always limit happiness of others
Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear. I was hoping for happiness shared.
Ingrid Manen: so there will be conflicts
Ingrid Manen: if you share happiness it would have to be a compromise
Bruce Mowbray: Only so much happiness to go around - in heaven?
arabella Ella: where did you get that idea of conflicts from Ingrid?
Ingrid Manen: because I cannot imagine heaven to be dull
Bruce Mowbray: I threw in the idea of 'conflicts in heaven.' sorry.
arabella Ella: do we need conflicts for something not to be dull?
Ingrid Manen: if I would only be in a state of happiness, without a challenge
Ingrid Manen: it would be dull
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to return to RL "conflicts" -- all be well -- and come back, please, Ingrid.
Ingrid Manen: no it would need us to be stimulated to think
Ingrid Manen: :)
arabella Ella: bye Bruce
Ingrid Manen: bye bruce
arabella Ella: you are mentioning things that happen in life Ingrid
Ingrid Manen: yes
arabella Ella: why should heaven be so similar to life?
Ingrid Manen: because I love life as it is
Ingrid Manen: with challenges
Ingrid Manen: with achievements
Ingrid Manen: with excitement
Ingrid Manen: else heaven could be like being a gellyfish in an ocean filled with food
arabella Ella: ah but have you never seen people living a simple life with no challenges and being always content?
Ingrid Manen: every life has challenges
Ingrid Manen: else life would be dull
arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino only just noticed you are here apologies
Ingrid Manen: hi calivino, sorry too
morgano Bravin: hello
Ingrid Manen: and morgana
Calvino Rabeni: I decided to Pop In for a short time - hello everyone
Ingrid Manen: hi
arabella Ella: Hiya morgano
morgano Bravin: hi
Ingrid Manen: we were talking about our expectations of heaven or hell or any after life
morgano Bravin: yes?
morgano Bravin: heaven will be a lovely place
arabella Ella: yes ingrid seems to think heaven has its challenges to keep us excited ... in a nutshell
Ingrid Manen: perhaps this is the best we will h ave
arabella Ella: i disagree
morgano Bravin: I think we owe it to life t treat this life with respect
Calvino Rabeni: I believe heaven and hell are metaphors for the states of existence we may have in the one live we have
Ingrid Manen: ok nice
Ingrid Manen: so hell and heaven are in this life
Ingrid Manen: part of this life
Calvino Rabeni: So yes, I live in heaven and in hell already
arabella Ella: they could be Calvino as there are so many things which i feel are still a mystery and about which it is not likely we will ever have knowledge
Ingrid Manen: but it is interesting to know what we expect from heaven and hell
morgano Bravin: like a dream state, if we fillour soul with bad things we dream bad,,I think heaven if anything will be in the same vein
Ingrid Manen: because it makes us value this life
arabella Ella: what we do have to be careful about is that religion in the past was often used to control people's minds and to get them to conform ... it still takes on that role in certain cultures and contexts
Ingrid Manen: I agree arabella
Calvino Rabeni: This might be unavoidable
Calvino Rabeni: but it can be eased a lot
Ingrid Manen: people always are subjective
Ingrid Manen: the bible has been censured a lot
arabella Ella: yes but at least those of us here have the benefit of education and of critical thinking too
Ingrid Manen: Quran and hadith also are written in a time of violence
Calvino Rabeni: True arabella
morgano Bravin: I am sure that if we are judged then our actions in this life will be important for us to strive to keep on the right track
Calvino Rabeni: but hasn't there been a cost, in terms of faith, to have that modern education?
Ingrid Manen: ok morgana
Ingrid Manen: it is the christian and islamic thought
morgano Bravin: and this in turn would not do us any harm in this life anyway
Ingrid Manen: I agree
Ingrid Manen: see it is valuing our life
arabella Ella: another thing about which we should be cautious is that most major religions are controlled by male humans ... and to be human is to err
Ingrid Manen: let's change that arabella
arabella Ella: one example ... why are there no efforts made to see the commonalities amongst religions rather than divide by stressing the differences?
Calvino Rabeni: But folk religions are controlled by female humans
morgano Bravin: temptation is always a road to problems
Calvino Rabeni: the inner aspects of the major religions also, I believe
Calvino Rabeni: It differs by cultures, I suppose
Ingrid Manen: most cultures have the males dominiting
arabella Ella: in ancient times Calvino females were considered to be more spiritual and now we have a re-emergence of that with female goddess religions
Calvino Rabeni: Only the outer life, Ingrid
Ingrid Manen: what is the outer and inners life
Ingrid Manen: explain calvino
morgano Bravin: behind every great man is a woman,,so lets not blame men for all the wrong goings on
Ingrid Manen: ah ok
Calvino Rabeni: There is plenty of power to go around, and even with gender roles, everyone has their share
arabella Ella: the female in most religions often takes on the role of a sort of servant or 'handmaiden'
Calvino Rabeni: for example, in the USA, the females have claimed the moral high ground
Calvino Rabeni: Although that isn't really modern
morgano Bravin: thats imoral surely Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: for instance you see it in the Tarot symbolism
Calvino Rabeni: It is immoral to monopolize any moral ground for power purposes
arabella Ella: but Calvino compare the way in which Clinton survived his 'ordeal' to the way in which Palin was 'butcherd'
Calvino Rabeni: it is moral however to take the job of tending that ground
Calvino Rabeni: and often those two roles come together
Calvino Rabeni: because groups of people have members who have different moral motivations
Ingrid Manen: still
morgano Bravin: Clinton hada nice personality,,nothing more
Ingrid Manen: female dominating is recent (if they dominate....)
Ingrid Manen: only in prehistory females dominated in primitive cultures
arabella Ella: seems like they do in some north european countries Ingrid
morgano Bravin: females are good at subversive suggestion
arabella Ella: argh ... morgano!
Ingrid Manen: I have not heard of those countries
arabella Ella: Germany? Denmark? Finland?
Ingrid Manen: no,
Calvino Rabeni: Remember, there is more to human life than the political sphere, with its rigid stereotyped rules and expectations
Ingrid Manen: I come form the Netherlands.... not heard of our neighbours having maternal cultures
--BELL--
Ingrid Manen: but does this mean
arabella Ella: i said females in power not maternal cultures ... but we should be silent please!
Ingrid Manen: that the meaning of life really is about power?
Calvino Rabeni: The question is - what *type* of power...
Calvino Rabeni: What does it mean - "behind every good man is ... a woman" ?
morgano Bravin: now that women are supposedly empowered..as a gender,,then that just means more strife
morgano Bravin: Well Cal, it may be a joke
arabella Ella: i think we should look more towards complementarity rather than power
morgano Bravin: for example,,Hitler hada good woman
Calvino Rabeni: It means, behind the public external face, of men, with its stereotyped power roles, there is likely to be a relationship with women as the holders of a moral compass and spiritual authority
arabella Ella: males and females if we wish to go in that direction should complement each other
Ingrid Manen: we should all complement each other
Calvino Rabeni: The alternative, Ara, is to reclaim the full dimensions of the meaning of "power"
arabella Ella nods
morgano Bravin: each gender should nourish the other,,this is nature I feel,,but because of power games they poison each other instead
Ingrid Manen: but we started about heaven and hell and life.....
Ingrid Manen: how is power related to that
arabella Ella: well Ingrid dont you think it is good to have different opinions?
Ingrid Manen: of course
arabella Ella: diversity
arabella Ella: it would be boring if we always agreed on everything
Ingrid Manen: heaven would be boring...
Calvino Rabeni: If power is not defined more broadly, it amounts to a social construction that is oppressive of diversity
Ingrid Manen: that is why I think of heaven having conflicts too
Calvino Rabeni: and a situaltion in which the "rules" are stacked against minority positions
arabella Ella: quite right Calvino
Ingrid Manen: power has proved to be oppresive
Calvino Rabeni: Not really,
Calvino Rabeni: it is being unbalanced and incomplete that is oppressive
arabella Ella: Calvino is proposing a re-definition and re-conception of the concept of power if i read him correctly
Ingrid Manen: power is always a unbalance
Calvino Rabeni: In certain subcultures, completely different definitions of power exist - and they are in ways equally oppressive
morgano Bravin: there is this strange idea that women , when they hada womanly role of tending children and looking after a home, were of no worth,,this was in the mind of women,,the masculisation of women in womans attempt to equal the power ofman hasjust created a conflict front
Calvino Rabeni: Power is just the force behind the exchange of different energies
Calvino Rabeni: if ther were no power differences, energy would not move
Calvino Rabeni: we would have a static world
Calvino Rabeni: it is an analogy with physics, but I think it holds
Ingrid Manen: static = balance ?
Calvino Rabeni: for example, suppose the sun were spread out into a sphere surrounding the earth, so that every point got exactly the same energy at the same time
Calvino Rabeni: there would be no power gradients
morgano Bravin: the power can become neutralising
Calvino Rabeni: energy would not flow, and all life would cease
morgano Bravin: when in opposite directions
Ingrid Manen: power implicates there is a unpower (weakness) too
Ingrid Manen: power is always in relation to
Calvino Rabeni: yes, that is yin and yang, two fundamental forces of how things move
morgano Bravin: ego is to some extent to blame in my opinion,,man and woman should show humbleness towards each others good nature
Calvino Rabeni: one thing that really needs to happen, is to regain respect for the Yin principle
Calvino Rabeni: If you get a chance, ask Pila about this
arabella Ella nods vigorously
Calvino Rabeni: He has thought about it in depth
arabella Ella: and agrees too
morgano Bravin: I met Pila the other week
morgano Bravin: he seemed a nice man
Calvino Rabeni: Pila is nice - also has good diversity and depth of knowledge
arabella Ella: Pila is one of the nicest people around in my opinion and very humble too
Calvino Rabeni: and willingness to engage with it
arabella Ella: yes
Calvino Rabeni: Yes I agree
morgano Bravin: he seemed to know so much about so many cultures
arabella Ella: i am enjoying the i ching sessions with him but regretfully i had to miss the one he did this week
arabella Ella: but i feel i am gaining a lot from those sessions
Calvino Rabeni: I did not realize you were atnndig those session
arabella Ella: he is very generous
Calvino Rabeni: yess
morgano Bravin: the contemplative aspect of the i ching is worth much in its own right
Calvino Rabeni: If you want to do a simple I Ching reading, there is a Bagua wheel on my house in the PaB vilage
Ingrid Manen: I thank you all for the chat, I have to go now
Ingrid Manen: I made a landmakr of this place
Calvino Rabeni: Good to meet you Ingrid
Calvino Rabeni: Hope to see you later
arabella Ella: bye Ingrid nice meeting you and feel free to visit whenever you wish
Ingrid Manen: same here
morgano Bravin: the resonance with the change in life is intiguing but beyond my comprehension
morgano Bravin: bye Ingrid
Ingrid Manen: see you later
--BELL--
morgano Bravin: is Satre a bot?
Calvino Rabeni: No
morgano Bravin: k
Calvino Rabeni: Sartre is an Alt for Yakuzza as far as I know
arabella Ella nods
Calvino Rabeni: Yaku is somewhere else right now in SL
Calvino Rabeni: probably getting all the attention
Calvino Rabeni: so Sartre is a bit of a zombie at the moment, but not a bot
morgano Bravin: he is two avi's?
Calvino Rabeni: (oops, forgot the bell)
morgano Bravin: does he use two pc'sthen?
Calvino Rabeni: That can be done, but also two viewers can be used on one computer
morgano Bravin: thats interesting
arabella Ella: oh so can i open viewer two with one avi and emerald with another alt?
arabella Ella: and use the reduced screen option?
Calvino Rabeni: It shoud work yes
arabella Ella: wow cool ... although i doubt my laptop can take all those graphics
arabella Ella: it can barely take poor ara on her own
Calvino Rabeni: Mine neither - it pants enough on one SL
morgano Bravin: nor mine Arabella
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: that is a consolation
arabella Ella: ara is not alone
morgano Bravin: :)
morgano Bravin: not wishing to stray too much but I cant help noticing how nice your shoes are Arabella
arabella Ella: thank you morgano
arabella Ella: i love high heels ... not so practical in RL tho
morgano Bravin: yes me too, but I feel so silly shopping on sl,,I dont suppose you can point me in the right direction to a good shoe shop?
arabella Ella: yes of course
morgano Bravin: thankyou
arabella Ella: altho i must admit i dont particularly enjoy shopping on SL
arabella Ella: it just does not compare to shopping in RL
Calvino Rabeni: True
morgano Bravin: exactly what I was thinking Arabella
arabella Ella: what i mean is that there have been times in my RL when i have benefitte4d from retail theraphy ... but it does not work for me on SL somehow
arabella Ella: and i have been here long enough ... nearly three years now
arabella Ella: but maybe with time ...
morgano Bravin: it was an nteresting discussion tonight,is this usual for here?
arabella Ella: difficult question morgano ... i dont think anything really can be considered 'usual'
arabella Ella: i must go now though it is very late here
Calvino Rabeni: There is no "usual" but it depends on the "chemistry" of who is here
arabella Ella: good night Calvino, Morgano, Sartre
Calvino Rabeni: Good night sleep well :)
morgano Bravin: thankyou ,,I may come again if thats ok with you
morgano Bravin: goodnight Arabella
Calvino Rabeni: Yes morgano - any time
Calvino Rabeni: the group meets 4 times a day
morgano Bravin: thankyou
Calvino Rabeni: with different people all over the world
morgano Bravin: yes, i have a card
Calvino Rabeni: OK good
morgano Bravin: looks fun
morgano Bravin: I must make my leave now too
Calvino Rabeni: Same with me
Calvino Rabeni: good meeting you, bye for now
morgano Bravin: thankyou