2010.07.10 13:00 - Can males be good Fematars?

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

According to a request, i removed from the log the lines from a specific paticipant. In order to try to keep coherency, i moved also the responses by other participants that addressed those lines.

Wol Euler: because unexplainable. There is no particular reason that I can see for me to be so happy today
Wol Euler: (that will be a most amusing first line of the log :))

YES it is!

Darren Islar: okay :)
Darren Islar: well, then let's not ask that question before you get miserable :)
Wol Euler: exactly.
Wol Euler: like children opening up a watch to see how it works
Wol Euler: and finding that it no longer does
Darren Islar: right
Darren Islar: nice metaphor
Wol Euler smiles.
Darren Islar: hi Bruce
Wol Euler: wotcha, bruce.
Darren Islar: is there a GoC tonight?
Wol Euler: hello blub
Darren Islar: hi Blub :)
Bruce Mowbray: wotcha, Darren and Wol!
Wol Euler: oh, was this one of the ungrabbed sessions?
Wol Euler: not any more :)
Darren Islar: :)
Darren Islar: I asked because it was mine, and I rather not get it tonight
Wol Euler: ah, ok. sure.
Darren Islar: wasn't here for the session anyway :)
Wol Euler: I'll do that. You've covered for me so often.
Wol Euler: I hear that Storm hasn't removed the lost onigokko yet :(
Darren Islar: I'm not having slots anymore
Darren Islar: no!!
Darren Islar: what happened :)
Bruce Mowbray: It was still here 6 hours ago.
Wol Euler: well, eliza dropped it instead of detaching it. That's a menu command in some older viewers
Wol Euler: the difference is that dropping makes it rez in-world
Wol Euler: where it sits, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings ....
Darren Islar: and nobody couldn't find it
Wol Euler: oh I found it. no problem
Wol Euler: but I cannot *remove* it.
Wol Euler: only Storm has the authority to do that
Darren Islar: ah, yes, of course
Wol Euler: which is understandable, I would hesitate to give other people the right to remove prims form my land at Mugunghwa too.
Darren Islar: oh, I completely understand
Wol Euler: anyway.
Wol Euler: what's new? does anyone have a topic for today?
--BELL--
Darren Islar: sorry, no, and I'm leaving in a short while
Wol Euler: ok, np
Bruce Mowbray: life, the universe, and all that.
Bruce Mowbray: actually, I do have a '?'
Wol Euler: a pretty broad topic.
Wol Euler: ah!
Bruce Mowbray: It concerns sending in my notes for the Time as Magic group. . . sending them to the wiki.
Wol Euler: okay ...
Bruce Mowbray: How to I upload my notes . . .
Xeno Octavia: g'day folks ; )
Bruce Mowbray: Do I send them email to Pema?
Bruce Mowbray: or. . . ?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Xeno!
Darren Islar: hi Xeno
Wol Euler: ideally you would post them yourself, directly onthe wiki (I believe that's the procdure)
Wol Euler: hello xeon
Wol Euler: *xeno
Bruce Mowbray: But doin't I have to be registered there?
Bruce Mowbray: because that is not possible as I see it.
Bruce Mowbray: No registration form.
Wol Euler: ah, in that case an administrator needs to register you
Wol Euler: are you in hte e.mail discussion grup?
Wol Euler: *group
Darren Islar: he is not a guardian
Bruce Mowbray: I think that I am -- although I've not yet received any emails from that group.
Wol Euler: hello fef
Darren Islar: hi Fonz
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Fef.
Fefonz Quan: hello all
Wol Euler: oh, is the time workshop thing guardians-only?
Wol Euler: that surprises me
Darren Islar: no, I don't think so, but there is nog google-group
Bruce Mowbray: No -- It is an open group -- Pema invited me into it.
Wol Euler: hmmmm
Darren Islar: different from the guardian group
Xeno Octavia: hyi Fef
Darren Islar: maybe Pema should make one
Fefonz Quan: one what?
Wol Euler: well, in that case I'd approach Pema. Explain that you want to post your notes to the wiki, and need a login. Let him deal with it from there
Darren Islar: right
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I will do that. Thanks.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Wol Euler: hello yaku
Bruce Mowbray: Hi again, Yaku.
Darren Islar: maybe you should ask next week Bruce
Darren Islar: hi Yaku
Xeno Octavia: hi Yaku
Fefonz Quan: heyaku
Darren Islar: so there was a GoC :)
Wol Euler: :)
Darren Islar: I'm leaving, have a nice session
Fefonz Quan: was where?
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye darren
Fefonz Quan: bye Darren
Wol Euler: bye darren, take care.
Xeno Octavia: by Dar
Bruce Mowbray: adios, Darren.
Xeno Octavia: any one have power over oni muse?
Wol Euler: only storm
Wol Euler shrugs. Turn your sound down. sorry.
Fefonz Quan: (hwat's as oni muse?)
Wol Euler: music from onigokko :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: 3:2 Deutschland!
Wol Euler: if you turn your sound up, you'll hear it
Wol Euler: there's an oni rezzed inthe trees, singing
Wol Euler: since 24 hrs
Xeno Octavia: yes wered lasst nite too
Wol Euler: yep
Yakuzza Lethecus: eliza would also be able to get that object back ?
Wol Euler: yep
Bruce Mowbray: that's the final, Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i haven´t seen it
Wol Euler: she could take it or delete it
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, it´s about the 3rd place :(
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- keep us informed, please.
Wol Euler: it's invisible but you can see it if you set "highlight transparent"
Wol Euler: it's in the lilac tree to my left, between the columns
Fefonz Quan: quite reddish view, this highlight
Wol Euler: yeah :)
Wol Euler: not very pretty
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: attended a lively discussion this morning at Pamala Clift's "Think Tank" -- on gender identification in SL.
Wol Euler: damn and blast, yes, I'm so sorry I missed that :(
Xeno Octavia: kool ---and > > >
Bruce Mowbray: She assigned us 2 wks ago to get an opposite sex avi - and "walk in its shoes" for a while.
Bruce Mowbray: It was the most disconcerting thing I'd ever done in SL.
Wol Euler: do tell :)
Wol Euler: if it'Äs not too private
Bruce Mowbray: Could do it only two days. Never went back to her.
Bruce Mowbray: (the alt, I mean -- not Pamala).
Wol Euler: huh
Wol Euler: what was so distressing?
Xeno Octavia: i went ta noetic on remote viewing : )males cant b good fematars
Bruce Mowbray: The first distressing thing I noticed was. .
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow
Bruce Mowbray: that she (my alt -- named Sue Harcourt) was behaving stereotypically.
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I had projected onto her the WORST female stereotypes -- and, of course, I saw a mirror of myself there.
Wol Euler nods
Xeno Octavia: hmm
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least we are 3rd now
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: alts can teach us a lot of pretty amazing stuff :)(
Bruce Mowbray: She was passive, seductive, shy, coy --- NONSENSE!
Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
Bruce Mowbray: Go Deutschland.
Fefonz Quan: I wouldn't generalize so quickly Xeno
Xeno Octavia: read gospel according to woman
Bruce Mowbray: May I step out for just a minute? ----
Wol Euler: sure
Wol Euler: (bruce)
Wol Euler: tell us a bit about it, xeno? we might not all have a copy of the book to hand, and the conversation would suffer while we read it
Xeno Octavia: how so Fef
Wol Euler: please do
Fefonz Quan: [13:20] Xeno Octavia: i went ta noetic on remote viewing : )males cant b good fematars
Wol Euler: hello qt
Qt Core: hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
Xeno Octavia: by Karen arnstrong --subtitle --christianitys creation of the sex wars in th ewest
Wol Euler: hello agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga
Qt Core: hi Agatha
Fefonz Quan: Hi Agatha, Qt
Agatha Macbeth: I see Eliza's onigokko is still going strong
Wol Euler: yep
Xeno Octavia: i turn volume down --out
Wol Euler: Xeno, thanks for the book title but could you explain a little how it is relevant to what you said?
Wol Euler: hello sue
Sue Harcourt: Hi, everyone.
Wol Euler: welcome bacdk
Qt Core: hi Sue
Wol Euler: *backj
Wol Euler: **back
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sue
Xeno Octavia: it relavant to Bruces stereo typing of woman --rather than just being
Wol Euler: okay, and could you say a word or two of content or explanation, please?
Xeno Octavia: ah sneakky its Sue !!
Sue Harcourt passively listens as others talk about Bruce.
Wol Euler grins
Xeno Octavia: she basivcallty says that the christans startn more strongly in 200 AD plus identified woman with sex and evil --does into eve witches and i now at chapt on mystics [1st 2 negi and mysti posi
Wol Euler nods. I'll grant you that christianity has a strong anti-female bias
Wol Euler: but how does that prove that RL men can'T be good SL women?
--BELL--
Xeno Octavia: cooked women as witches for 200 yrs
Xeno Octavia: dont have to prove just noticing and responding to Bruce/Sue
Wol Euler: but you made a pretty strong statement, and I'd like to hear you say a word or two to back it up
Fefonz Quan: interesting how in Xeno's line about 200 AD the axiom of sex &/== evil went in so smooothly
Xeno Octavia: i talk from feeling not intellect so am saying it of women i kno who are men as well as what Bruce had sed --i wonder if Sue agrees with him?
Wol Euler: yes, sue, could you tell us a bit about your experiences in SL?
Yakuzza Lethecus: our local town was pretty big in burning witches
Sue Harcourt: what did Bruce say, anyway?
Sue Harcourt: Oh -- yes, I can tell you about my 2 day experience.
Sue Harcourt: For one thing -- I was silent and passive -- and Bruce is almost NEVER like that.
Xeno Octavia: that was Karens in book --she especially ment Jerome in that part then gets into Virgins and martyrs also see them in contemporary feminism
Wol Euler: [13:20] Bruce Mowbray: The first distressing thing I noticed was. . [13:20] Wol Euler raises an eyebrow [13:20] Bruce Mowbray: that she (my alt -- named Sue Harcourt) was behaving stereotypically. [13:20] Yakuzza Lethecus: :) [13:21] Bruce Mowbray: I had projected onto her the WORST female stereotypes -- and, of course, I saw a mirror of myself there. [13:21] Wol Euler nods [13:21] Xeno Octavia: hmm [13:21] Yakuzza Lethecus: at least we are 3rd now [13:21] Qt Core is Online [13:21] Wol Euler: mmhmm [13:21] Wol Euler: alts can teach us a lot of pretty amazing stuff :)( [13:21] Bruce Mowbray: She was passive, seductive, shy, coy --- NONSENSE!
Sue Harcourt: Thanks -- that brings me up to date on that cur.
Wol Euler: :)
Xeno Octavia: how would she be after a few months a yr when cleansed of u Bruce
Sue Harcourt: and I noticed that when I was Sue (not Bruce) other womewn spoke up more often and aire3d their feelings more.
Wol Euler nods
Sue Harcourt: This caused me to think that Bruce was intimidating to them.
Fefonz Quan: well, he is a MAN
Wol Euler: were you aware of acting differently?
Sue Harcourt: yes -- THAT is exactly my point.
Wol Euler: or did sue just speak "naturally"?
Xeno Octavia: no women are more intimate in communics men too into various forms of BS
Fefonz Quan: BS ??
Sue Harcourt: I tried to "just speak naturally" but found that I had some inner voice telling me that i "SHOULD" think and speak as a woman -- and this violated all of my beliefs about androgyny.
Agatha Macbeth: Being Seeing :)
Xeno Octavia: was he a man in ur fematar
Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.
Wol Euler: did the voice tell you how women should thnk and speak?
Wol Euler: that would be interesting to know
Sue Harcourt: Somewhere inside this woman named Sue was a "ghost" named Bruce.
Sue Harcourt: Very disconcerting.
Xeno Octavia: yes Sue its why gays have accent --faking fem rather than just being
Wol Euler finds that rather objectionable.
Sue Harcourt: Mmm. Interesting, could you say more about "gays" please. Xeno.
Agatha Macbeth: Gays have an accent?
Agatha Macbeth: Depends on their nationality I'd say ;-)
Xeno Octavia: what if in FL u were opposite sex in last lifetime is ghost still to present
Sue Harcourt: You see. . . I'm really having a lot of trouble with this.
Sue Harcourt: The stereotypes that are folating about in the coversation are driving me nuts.
Wol Euler: indeed
Sue Harcourt: "gays" accents?
Wol Euler: there is a lot of bias and prejudice being presented as fact
Agatha Macbeth looks up 'folating'
Xeno Octavia: in US where ever from many gays have sound set-up [or usta] there is term for but as i had noticed in FL were from imitating woman rather than just being one
Sue Harcourt: BRUCE----!!!! WHERE ARE YOU BRUCE!!???
Xeno Octavia: r any of u gay or kno gays ??
Sue Harcourt begs to be excused.... (politely and in a feminine manner...)
Fefonz Quan: Sue, if i may ask, where you troubled by the fact that you seems like acting in a stereotyped way, or by the fact that you wandered where have Bruce gone?
Wol Euler: I know dozens of gays, in many countries, xeno. Do you?
Agatha Macbeth: I know some yes
Xeno Octavia: lol Stay why not chase Bruce out ??
Xeno Octavia: lol too late
Xeno Octavia: i kno a few in the US --i go to other countries here in SL but not counts
Wol Euler: wb bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bruce :)
Fefonz Quan: hi Bruce :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least you didn your homework bruce :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: did
--BELL--
Wol Euler: so you've had a pretty intense learning experience :)
Bruce Mowbray: Some folks in Pam's class did it for two weeks. I can't imagine that.
Wol Euler: I'm sorry that you were distressed, but you can also see it as a great chance to explore something new in yourself :)
Agatha Macbeth: Why distressed?
Yakuzza Lethecus: are there now 2 hidden onigokkos ?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was an excellent learning opportuinity -- Just almost unbearable -- because it was like a mirror -- and not a friendly mirror.
Wol Euler nods.
Bruce Mowbray: I thought I was not a sexist and discovered that I really am after all --
Fefonz Quan: I had a thought about it - i guess most of the men here have dreams, and in those dreams there are women figures.
Wol Euler grins. "the first step to solving a problem, grasshopper, is to learn that you have one"
Agatha Macbeth: Animas?
Agatha Macbeth: (Animae?)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) Excellent point, Wol.
Wol Euler nods to Fef
Bruce Mowbray: I've done a lot of Jungian work -- and this was not my anima.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Bruce Mowbray: This was a projection of "other" --
Fefonz Quan: And in those dreams, the women acts quite like women in RL - although created by our minds
Agatha Macbeth: Do you know who it was then?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Bruce Mowbray: Well -- the closest thing I can compare it to is racism...
Fefonz Quan: I still don't get why it showed you you are a sexist Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Sometimes when I see a black individual on the TV -- there is this spontaneous "no" thing -- and I cannot image where that comes from -- except from my racist culture.
Xeno Octavia: have u tried a black av
Bruce Mowbray: So, it's like that with the female thing.
Bruce Mowbray: I do NOT like that in myself at all.
Wol Euler gives your hand a squeeze.
Bruce Mowbray: My best friend was a black male -- her alt of opposite sex,
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe a black female Av [grin]
Bruce Mowbray: Thans, Wol. I guess I needed that.
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: In SL?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes -- that would be an excellent experience -- When I build my courage back up, I will try being a black female.
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Meanwihle, I am still trying to "be See" all of it.
Wol Euler: I can give you a LM to a store that has some *marvellous* black skins, really beautiful. "real people" skins
Agatha Macbeth can't "be See" any of it ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Great --thanks. Please do.
Wol Euler digs around
Bruce Mowbray: This thing about gender identifican runs very deep - both culturqally and personally.
Wol Euler nods
Agatha Macbeth: Oh agreed!
Xeno Octavia: shud is in an imperitive or a conditional mode
Bruce Mowbray: I think you all have put yourfinger on the problem: Sue had all of these "should" going off in her head. Bruce does not have those.
Bruce Mowbray: Sure never felt free to be herself.
Xeno Octavia: so why he let her have them --prob not Bruce but his paratar
Fefonz Quan: So Bruce is a free man, not conditioned by culture?
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: so where does this social conditioning of hers come from?
Agatha Macbeth: Which do you find easier to be Bruce- a M Av or a F Av?
Bruce Mowbray: Bruce's para (in RL) is a hermit -- mostly because in retirement he has chosen not to be part of the sexist and racist culture of the state he lives ion.
Fefonz Quan: pointed*
Bruce Mowbray: So -- it was disconcerting to discover how many of the culture's stereotypes were there oppresing Sue -- dominating her behavior.
Xeno Octavia: and bruce's has had too long a masc habbit to change
Bruce Mowbray: oppressing.
Bruce Mowbray: perhaps -- but Bruce (although an old dog) is determined to learn some new tricks.
Wol Euler smiles
Wol Euler: never too late to improve.
Bruce Mowbray: I think your suggestion of using a Black ava (female) is a good place to begin.
Fefonz Quan: or to change :)
Wol Euler: "the best time to plant an oak tree was thirty years ago. The second-best time is right now."
Xeno Octavia: kool Bruce we support u in that --at least i do
Wol Euler: oh, definitely.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks you. Now - let's talk about something else --
Wol Euler: (to support)
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray thinks to himself: That was entirely TOO abrupt.
Wol Euler: :)
Bruce Mowbray: That bell came just ar the REIGHT time.
Bruce Mowbray: right.
Wol Euler: :)
Fefonz Quan: I'll take that bell as my offf que
Fefonz Quan: Good night all, and have a wonderful week
Wol Euler: bye fef, sleep well
Bruce Mowbray: Walk in peace, Fef.
Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well fef
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fonz :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
Agatha Macbeth: Night Yaku
Xeno Octavia: nite Fef
Wol Euler: wb qt
Xeno Octavia: nite Yaku
Wol Euler: 'night yaku
Qt Core: wondering what happened
Wol Euler: huh, turn away for a moment and everyone leaves
Bruce Mowbray muses: ME TOO!
Xeno Octavia: looks that way
Agatha Macbeth: Using Linux or Windoze QT?
Qt Core: vista, i just have disablerd the wireless part of my router (and i'm on cord with this pc)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, same here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Probably a Gates thing again...
Bruce Mowbray: Windows 7 is really a fine OS. Very fast and stable -- far superior to Vista, although I run both of them.
Qt Core: poor boy , let stop thinking he is the bad guy, it does not even work there anymore ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Ha, he's E-V-I-L !!!!!!!!
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: thinking abiut nuying me a 7 licence for my birthdasy ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: It's worth it, Qt.
Qt Core: and maybe even a pair of new hands...
Agatha Macbeth: Happy birthdaisy QT :)
Wol Euler: w7 is muuuuuuch better than xp or vista
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Qt Core: you say that only as it copied OSX a bit, wol
Wol Euler: no, I'm using it right now.
Xeno Octavia: an they talkin bout 8 now
Wol Euler: I actually (cough) like it
Bruce Mowbray: I have 7 on my laptop and love it.
Wol Euler: hallo bert
Qt Core: hi bertram
Xeno Octavia: hi Bert
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Bert!
Bertram Jacobus: hi - whaow - still filled, the place ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Berti :)
Bertram Jacobus: agatha knows my child name (!) ... ;o)
Qt Core: was you wishing to have the pavillion all for yourself, bert ? ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: You told me ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: naaaaaaah qt - in contrary ! happy to meet ya all :o)
Bertram Jacobus: sry - but ...
Bertram Jacobus: way too hoot !
Agatha Macbeth: Here too :(
Qt Core: you in the water and the fish flying is weirder and weirder
Bertram Jacobus: night will bring some degrees less ...
Wol Euler: yeah.
Bruce Mowbray splashes Bert.
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Bertram Jacobus: ty bruce
Wol Euler: it is supposed to rain tomorrow, that might help
Bertram Jacobus: and there are a lot of hints these days how to handle the heat ...
Agatha Macbeth: Move to Spitzbergen...
Qt Core: just droppiong the heat feeling
Wol Euler: or norway
Agatha Macbeth: Same thing
Qt Core: the nearest mountains over 1500 m is enough usually
Wol Euler: ah, true, silly me
Bertram Jacobus: i have now in ma room still 30.4° celsius (!) ...
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Agatha Macbeth: Open a window Bert
Wol Euler: it was 38 C downtown yesterday, far too hot.
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: are open already
Agatha Macbeth: Bang goes that theory
Bruce Mowbray: when it gets that hot, I hang out at the public libraqry -- let them pay for the A/C and the internet connection.
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: And the air conditioning
Xeno Octavia: caqnt get here from librar
Bruce Mowbray: yes,, that's the A/C.
Agatha Macbeth: Not Alernating Current?
Bruce Mowbray: haha!
Agatha Macbeth: Or AC Milan?
Bruce Mowbray: well -- actually, I have the library pay for the air conditioning BECAUSE I don't want to pay for the alernating current.
Agatha Macbeth: I can relate to that
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Qt Core: this morning i was keeping up with the heat quite well, but in the afternon i stayed for several hours (groan) in a shopping mall with its violent AC, so now back at home i'm suffering the heat a lot more (i dislike AC)
Wol Euler: it is usually far too intense.
Bertram Jacobus: i like acs ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Acs?
Qt Core: i like simple fans
Wol Euler: people don'T realize that cooling from 38 degrees to 35 and abit less humid would be enough to make a pleasant differnece
Xeno Octavia: my FL weather ok --in mtns
Bruce Mowbray: maybe Qt would like to come into the pool and cool off a bit.
Wol Euler: or we could all go to the beach!
Xeno Octavia: not on the gULF
Agatha Macbeth: And build sandcastles
Bertram Jacobus: would you qt ? :-) - yes ! i´d like to do taht wol :-)
Qt Core: trying something more radical to cool myself down
Bruce Mowbray: cold shower?
Bertram Jacobus: whaow - what is it ?! ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Time travelling to the Ice Age
Bruce Mowbray: cooooool!
Bertram Jacobus: ( i still have a nice beach place wol) ...
Wol Euler: indeed you do :)
Wol Euler: with music, even
Bertram Jacobus: we could go there if it would be wished ...
Bertram Jacobus: yess :-)
Wol Euler watches in amazement as QT transforms
Bruce Mowbray: all of us?
Bertram Jacobus: sure bruce
Bruce Mowbray: OMG! That's "cool" for sure!
Bertram Jacobus: would you like to come to my / our beach place ladies and gentlemen ?
Agatha Macbeth: And blue
Wol Euler: yes please
Bruce Mowbray: Sure!
Bertram Jacobus: with music and dances ?
Qt Core: ok
Bertram Jacobus: ok - i recommend nite setting ... :-)
Wol Euler: I have a LM so I'll remain here to TP anyone whom Bert forgets :)
Wol Euler: he'll TP you in a moment
Xeno Octavia: well guess i can go home now : ))
Wol Euler: hello steve
Wol Euler: we're just leaving
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Wol, Xeno and Cute
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I was jsut getting here
Wol Euler: how's your weekend?
Xeno Octavia: hi Steve but there TP
stevenaia Michinaga: see ya
stevenaia Michinaga: weekend good
stevenaia Michinaga: how is WOl
Wol Euler: we are going to Bertram's beach
Wol Euler: want to come along?
stevenaia Michinaga: sure
stevenaia Michinaga: never wnated to work anyway
Wol Euler: ok, I'll TP you from there
stevenaia Michinaga: thx