2010.12.03 01:00 - Two-spirits

Calvino Rabeni looks around

Calvino Rabeni: Its quarter after one

Wol Euler: hello cal

Calvino Rabeni: lol

Wol Euler: eh?

Calvino Rabeni: there's no one around except me and Wol

Wol Euler: ... and?

Calvino Rabeni: its quiet and calm

Wol Euler: yeeeeeeeesss…

Wol Euler: I'm afraid I don't see the lollity of that

Calvino Rabeni: it looks like a time to drop a bomb

Wol Euler: ah!

Wol Euler braces herself.

Wol Euler: What, you're really a cat in RL?

Wol Euler: hello freud

Freud Jungsten: Heya

Calvino Rabeni: and though I have to say it makes me jumpy

Calvino Rabeni: you'll find this link a little lumpy

Calvino Rabeni: http://vimeo.com/1875254?pg=embed&sec=1875254

Wol Euler: poetry!

Wol Euler gets her lumps

Calvino Rabeni: Hello Freud

Freud Jungsten: Heya

Freud Jungsten: I have been to a couple of poetry readings.

Freud Jungsten: Interesting crowds.

Wol Euler: well, that was very jumpy.

Calvino Rabeni: In this or another Life?

Calvino Rabeni: I very much would like to hear about those crowds

Freud Jungsten: Both.

Freud Jungsten: RL they tend to be sorta.... not sure of the word.... arrogant or maybe exclusive.

Wol Euler: hmmmm

Wol Euler: hello arch

Freud Jungsten: SL seems more fun though.

Calvino Rabeni: is that because ?

Freud Jungsten: I think since you have more anonymity people are more free to take risks.

Calvino Rabeni: HI culture? Or populist?

Wol Euler nods.

Freud Jungsten: Maybe both.

Freud Jungsten: Hostile to non-regulars and very fashion sensative..... was odd... RL I mean.

Freud Jungsten: Good for people watching for sure.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: fascinating. How do they expect to get new members if newcomers are treated badly?

Freud Jungsten: No idea.

Calvino Rabeni: Arch good evening

Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Cal, Wol, Freud, obvserrm

Archmage Atlantis: Ok....Good very early morning

Freud Jungsten: Heya

Wol Euler: hello observerm, have you been here before?

Calvino Rabeni: What was the poetry like Freud?

Wol Euler: six days old, welcome to SL :)

Freud Jungsten: The one I went to in Cambridge was stuff that reminded me of EE Cummings.

Archmage Atlantis: Observem has been here many times

Wol Euler: ok ty

observerm Resident nods

Freud Jungsten: The one in Tampa was more horror poetry.... if that is possible.

Freud Jungsten: Stuff that PZ Bright would write.

Wol Euler: O.O

Calvino Rabeni: And the venue in Cambridge?

Freud Jungsten: Or EA Poe.

Archmage Atlantis: I wish everyone would discontinue commmenting on "how old" one is in SL

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Freud Jungsten: I can't remember what college it was... I t was near Clair though.

Archmage Atlantis: I did read half the story, Freud......ty for the referernce

Freud Jungsten: That is an odd topic Arch..... It is very important to some folk sthough... and I am not sure why.

Wol Euler: well, seeing as I triggered that, I will respond to it

Freud Jungsten: But both those events were rather.... maybe the word is elitist?

Wol Euler: or not, let's talk aout poetry

Calvino Rabeni: I wonder why it got so elitist?

Wol Euler: perhaps they've had bad experiences with visitors not joining in the spirit of exchange?

Calvino Rabeni: In RL poetry events?

Freud Jungsten: I don't know..... my ex does some proffesional dancing and singing and those classical events did not have the same sort of feel to them... and in my mind.... those should be worse.

Archmage Atlantis: I let an alt of mine come here last night.....I don't know why that was important either....but I feel exposed......poetry sounds good

Calvino Rabeni: I don't think its expected ...

Freud Jungsten: I don't know.

Wol Euler: thinking specifically of horror poetry, I can imagine that some visitors might respond badly to that

Freud Jungsten: But it could also be me.... I have to admit that....

Wol Euler: and the group might well feel embarrassed or annoyed at their response

Freud Jungsten: I am rather unsetteling to some people in RL... and maybe more sensative.

Calvino Rabeni: Do you do any performance arts?

Freud Jungsten: I do traditional Native American Dancing.

Freud Jungsten: Mostly Fancy Shawl..... but some Formal Traditional.

Calvino Rabeni: I've never seen that ... don't now the character of them

Archmage Atlantis: The name Freud leads one away from dancing.....I once had a friendwho was a fancy dancer of the potowatimi tribe ( spellling may be incorrect)\

Freud Jungsten: Close... smiles

Archmage Atlantis: ty

Archmage Atlantis: :)

Freud Jungsten: Which band? Kansas or Oklahoma?

Freud Jungsten: Or Canadian?

Freud Jungsten: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlCvyC6mbzY

Freud Jungsten: I am in this video.

Wol Euler: cool

Archmage Atlantis: I remember him as being very north, but still in the US

Freud Jungsten: Probably Prairie Band Potawatomi then.

--BELL--

Freud Jungsten: I am Citizen Nation.... Out of Shawnee Oklahoma.

Freud Jungsten: But as I said... I think the Sl ones have been more engaging.... but just my opinion.

Calvino Rabeni smiles that the session was initiated by a dance video and the theme jumped right back in

Calvino Rabeni: making two videos I mean

Freud Jungsten: I do love dance....

Freud Jungsten: Not very good at it... but I love watching.

Wol Euler: thanks, freud, that was very cool

Wol Euler: were you dancing?

Freud Jungsten: Yes... I am in that video.

Wol Euler: how did you do? the comments suggest it was a competition

Freud Jungsten: It was.... I suck..... lol

Freud Jungsten: I have only placed once.

Wol Euler listens.

Wol Euler: ah well :)

Wol Euler: practice!

Freud Jungsten: I do it more for the pow wow atmosphere and the community.

Wol Euler nods.

Freud Jungsten: lol.... One of my majors was math/stats..... and as I am told you can't be good at both math and dancing..... smiles

Wol Euler was about to make another comment about SL age, but bites her tongue instead.

Freud Jungsten: Oh please do.... smiles

Wol Euler: well, I never knew that :)

Wol Euler: strange correlations

Freud Jungsten: lol

Wol Euler: Freud is 1111 days old today.

Freud Jungsten: Actually I joined the week before Haloween 2005.

Calvino Rabeni: Is there a time conversion factor, like 1 human year = 6 dog years?

Archmage Atlantis: He was gay, and he was very good at the dancing, and he was very unhappy that his tribe did not accept him........and that video reminds me of him

Freud Jungsten: THis is my third AV.

Freud Jungsten: Different tribes deal with that in very different ways....

Freud Jungsten: I am not "out" with it at pow wows an dother events.

Freud Jungsten: But I don't hide it either.

Wol Euler: "don't ask, don't tell"?

Freud Jungsten: It is strange....

Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Native Americans are only 1 people to my ancestors.....yet native americans are as, or more, diverse than the people in Europe

Freud Jungsten: There is a line you have to ride...... something like the Two-Spirts idea.

Freud Jungsten: If you want to be urban gay at a pow wow... you will fail.

Wol Euler listens.

Freud Jungsten: If you want to go Two-Spirits... then you have to work that role....

Freud Jungsten: And that is very tribal specific.

Wol Euler whispers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Being Two-Spirit - how is it seen ?

Freud Jungsten: I'm don't consider myself that way.

Freud Jungsten: I'm a dyke.....lol

Wol Euler smiles.

Freud Jungsten: So I just be me and don't try to be les there.

Freud Jungsten: Have I hooked up? Yes.... smiles

Wol Euler grins.

Freud Jungsten: But I dont go advertizing or looking.

Freud Jungsten: The event are more about tradition..... and I don't want to rock that..... too mutch.... smiles

Freud Jungsten: I have gotten on teh drub before and the like.

Freud Jungsten: But I would never do a wardance or the like even if allowed.

Freud Jungsten: Just like I would not want guys doing Fancy Shawl.

Archmage Atlantis: Yea, women have certain things they don't want persons who are male outside, and female inside to do.........that is my observation

Archmage Atlantis: perhaps not accurate

Archmage Atlantis: but still what i see

Freud Jungsten: I think gender roles are an odd thing when you look at them.....

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: brb, landlady is arriving

Freud Jungsten: But uncderstandable when you look at how they formed.

Freud Jungsten: Or maybe I should say comprehsable?

Freud Jungsten: I so need to get some sleep.... frowns

Archmage Atlantis: Right now I am trying to fit all the time zones in.......5AM for me is not a landlady time

Freud Jungsten: lol

Archmage Atlantis: But, it is not 5Am bu any of you

Freud Jungsten: 4 am here

Archmage Atlantis: I need to go and ponder life, the universe, and everything........Blessings and Namaste to each

Calvino Rabeni: I need to be going - also - thanks everyone :)

Freud Jungsten: Ciao

Freud Jungsten: Maybe I will try and get some sleep again.

Freud Jungsten: Or maybe not.... lol

--BELL--

Wol Euler: back

Freud Jungsten: They all left...

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: it is early/late/middling :)

Wol Euler: I'm in Kyoto, it is 19:21

Freud Jungsten: Sacred them away again....

Wol Euler: early evening

Freud Jungsten: 422 am here.

Wol Euler: insomnia again?

Freud Jungsten frowns

Freud Jungsten: I did get a few hours

Wol Euler: that's business as usual for you, if I remember rightly :)

Freud Jungsten: I have been doing better lately.

Wol Euler: good!

Wol Euler: is that seasonal, or just luck?

Freud Jungsten: I sleep better in the winter usually.

Wol Euler nods.

Freud Jungsten: But still have my ups and downs.

Wol Euler: what do you do with hte time in winter? it'll be hours before hte sun comes up

Freud Jungsten: Not realy bad here.... I run most mornings.

Freud Jungsten: Going to try the bed thing though..... take care....

Wol Euler: good idea :)

Wol Euler: goodnight, sleep well