The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Eos Amaterasu: HI Druth
druth Vlodovic: hi eos
Eos Amaterasu: What draws you here to Play as Being?
druth Vlodovic: lol, I came to see what the big crowd was about, then saw you sitting alone...
Eos Amaterasu: big crowd?
druth Vlodovic: NW corner, there's about six people up there
Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, let em Bieup
Eos Amaterasu: You are a philosopher?
druth Vlodovic: ha
druth Vlodovic: there,
druth Vlodovic: no, I don't claim to be
druth Vlodovic: but I like asking questions
Eos Amaterasu: ah
druth Vlodovic: you?
Eos Amaterasu: questions are the thing
Eos Amaterasu: I'm a curious fellow
Eos Amaterasu: (I think Feynman said that of himself,

but I empathize)

--BELL--

druth Vlodovic: it's unsettling but questions are often better than conclusions
druth Vlodovic: :)
druth Vlodovic: what makes you curious?
Eos Amaterasu: cause I don't get it :-)
druth Vlodovic: I'm sure it is overrated
Eos Amaterasu: it?
druth Vlodovic: the thing you don't get
Eos Amaterasu: could be
druth Vlodovic: "life the universe and everything"
Eos Amaterasu: the funny thing is that you don't know what it is that you're chasing after, or intending (to be more general)
druth Vlodovic: if the chasing is fun, or useful, then it is good
Eos Amaterasu: maybe that's kind of the primal raising of original questioning
Eos Amaterasu: kind of an aliveness
Eos Amaterasu: the big "huh?"
druth Vlodovic: lol
Eos Amaterasu: or "ah"
druth Vlodovic: hmm, or rarely, "aha!"
Eos Amaterasu: the question is, how does the "aha" come together, when it does?
Bleu Oleander: hi Eos, druth :)
druth Vlodovic: hi bleu
Eos Amaterasu: hi bleu, you're looking lovely and wispy
Bleu Oleander: oh ty!
druth Vlodovic: funny thing about the aha!, it pretty much has to agree with what you believe or you won't recognize it
Eos Amaterasu: premature answers only clamp down on the question
Eos Amaterasu: well, you might come to new arrangements of beliefs
druth Vlodovic: hi shufei!
druth Vlodovic: aww, I was hoping she'd stay to play with us
druth Vlodovic: hmm, new arrangements of old beliefs?
Eos Amaterasu: Paradise on Earth... hi
druth Vlodovic: or new beliefs?
Bleu Oleander: hi Paradise, steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Bleu, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: new arrangements of old beliefs renewed through the new eyes
druth Vlodovic: hey steve, para, eos
Paradise Tennant: hiya eos, druth . bleu .. stevenaia :) smies all round
stevenaia Michinaga: don;t see Paradise, but hello if you are ehre
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eos Amaterasu: paradigm shift.... it's not just that the frame is new, but it shifts all the frames of all the objects in the frame
stevenaia Michinaga: there you are, hell Druth
Eos Amaterasu: hi stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: o
Eos Amaterasu: I'm frolicking in abstractions :-)
druth Vlodovic: new ways of finding or judging beliefs
Paradise Tennant: listens
stevenaia Michinaga: can you give an example?>
Eos Amaterasu: what does an "aha!" do to you?
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, what you said, changes the world
Eos Amaterasu: sometimes it leads to new things, sometimes it just drops you out of old things
stevenaia Michinaga: aren;t those the same thing?
druth Vlodovic: no
Eos Amaterasu: I think maybe yes, but they come from opposite directions
stevenaia Michinaga: only you realize it in the late
stevenaia Michinaga: latter
druth Vlodovic: lol, well, "you can't cross the same river twice" but you can continue to appreciate it
Eos Amaterasu: maybe in the upcoming 90 secs, how about we notice any "aha"s

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: ahas?
Eos Amaterasu: I was acutely aware of sounds, and of my internal dialogue
Eos Amaterasu: not so much noticing my noticing as noticing my switching
Paradise Tennant: smiles ...
stevenaia Michinaga: switching?
Eos Amaterasu: switching into something, or from one thing to another
Eos Amaterasu: water sound to bird sound
Eos Amaterasu: pink to white fog
Paradise Tennant: thinks mischeviously about putting on her rain prim and getting everone wet :)
Bleu Oleander: was looking for ahas .... ahas maybe more affective when they sneak up on you?
druth Vlodovic: ah, better than me, I was searching for distractions, but let the obsession creep in
Paradise Tennant: obsession ? druth
druth Vlodovic: lol, I've been taken lately with my previous experiments with "putting down" what I am
druth Vlodovic: though that was to become a pentacostal
druth Vlodovic: so my being reasserting itself was a blessing
Paradise Tennant: listens
druth Vlodovic: well, I realized that suspicion was a good thing, and decided that when I do have an aha! I should slow it and spend time with it
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Eos Amaterasu: I like that.... spend time with an aha!
stevenaia Michinaga: never thought of that, probably because they happen so randomly
Eos Amaterasu: let the aha! bless you
Eos Amaterasu: perhaps that's "the muse"

Eos Amaterasu: druth, how did, or does, your being reassert itself?
druth Vlodovic: well, I was raised to think and examine
druth Vlodovic: but pushed it over to believe and belong
druth Vlodovic: then my darker mind started asking questions about effects on others
Eos Amaterasu: (hi Cal)
druth Vlodovic: hey cal
Calvino Rabeni: Hi druth, (Eos) :)
druth Vlodovic: lol, I said "If I'm going to be part of something judgemental I'll judge it"
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya cal :)
druth Vlodovic: so much for faith
Eos Amaterasu: so you dropped faith?
Bleu Oleander: hi Cal
Calvino Rabeni smiles to Paradise and Bleu
druth Vlodovic: pretty much entirely, one reason I'm having a hard time getting started here

--BELL--

druth Vlodovic: but I have more time and solitude now...
Eos Amaterasu: is that what you were talking about re spending more time with the ahas?
druth Vlodovic: thinking about things is fine for a bit, but the under mind is powerful and subtle, a good place to put things before acting them out
Eos Amaterasu: under thinking?
boxbot Resident: hello, pablings :)
druth Vlodovic: instinct? subconscious? I don't know the terms
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: bello box
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Bleu Oleander: hi boxbot
boxbot Resident: lovely dress, stev :)
Eos Amaterasu: fello fox
druth Vlodovic: ah, a box of PaBlum :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya boxbot :)
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you... smiles
boxbot Resident: but i've said that already :)
boxbot Resident: *hint hint*
stevenaia Michinaga: yes you have..
Bleu Oleander: hi Aph :)
boxbot Resident: it's nice to see you all :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Aph
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya aph :)
druth Vlodovic: what do you think, how does suspicion and self-defence fit with exploration?
Aphrodite Macbain: hello everyone
Paradise Tennant: nicely
Paradise Tennant: they are .. parts of the path
druth Vlodovic: hi aphrodite
Eos Amaterasu: suspicion has a touch of sharpness, which could be quite intelligent
Eos Amaterasu: or it could create clouds
druth Vlodovic: not the answers I was expecting...
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes the things you may have dropped are worth picking back up after the "aha"
Eos Amaterasu: the aha gives them a different perspective
druth Vlodovic: each thing a filter for observing the other
Eos Amaterasu: yeah, and what can you do with that, but just give up and be there with full.... questioning
Eos Amaterasu: (that sounded like a Polaroid camera)
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: questioning a natural part of understanding
Paradise Tennant: if what you believe cannot withstand intelligent questions then ..
Paradise Tennant: hmmm
Paradise Tennant: maybe ..
Paradise Tennant: not something to base a life on
druth Vlodovic: but what if it is "unknowable"
Paradise Tennant: well ..
Eos Amaterasu: or, you can describe something, which still doesn't really explain how it happens
Paradise Tennant: respecting the big huge galaxy sized gaps in our understanding
Paradise Tennant: is one thing
Paradise Tennant: and not all knowing is emprical
Paradise Tennant: but deduction has a place in faith
druth Vlodovic: there have to be limits I guess, self-guides on the path
Eos Amaterasu:

"You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future."
 - Steve Jobs

Eos Amaterasu: that's faith
druth Vlodovic: my dots connected untidily lol
Paradise Tennant: life is messy
Eos Amaterasu: sometimes they fall apart pointilistically
Bleu Oleander: new dots .... new connections
Aphrodite Macbain: some times there's no point
Eos Amaterasu: like a heap of yarrow stalks
Eos Amaterasu: pointing to a hexagram
Eos Amaterasu: ack!
Eos Amaterasu: (aph, your mic is on!)
Aphrodite Macbain: ack!
stevenaia Michinaga: but we couldn;t here anything interesting

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: hear
Paradise Tennant: lol and puts on her headphones
Aphrodite Macbain: nopr nothing
Aphrodite Macbain: nope
Aphrodite Macbain: narry a tweet
Eos Amaterasu: I hear lots of birds
Aphrodite Macbain: just infinite silence
Eos Amaterasu: ca t'effrai?
Bleu Oleander: night all .... take care :)
Aphrodite Macbain: oui
boxbot Resident: night, bleu
Eos Amaterasu: 'night Bleu
Paradise Tennant: take care bleu
Paradise Tennant: scruffles to the pups
Paradise Tennant: how is your step dad doing aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: My step dad has gom=ne to another plane Paradise. H'e being buried tomorrow
stevenaia Michinaga: so sorry Aph
Paradise Tennant: gives you a hug
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks everyone
Eos Amaterasu: real
Aphrodite Macbain: It's nice to hang out here briefly
Aphrodite Macbain: It will be a long day tomorrow
Aphrodite Macbain: wish I could join the retreat
Eos Amaterasu: We'll keep you in our pauses
Paradise Tennant: we could do a meditation for him .. aph .. would you like that .. buddhists believe that .. those who have passed can still feel your love
Aphrodite Macbain: all of that would be really lovely
Paradise Tennant: say 10 minutes to the next bell
Aphrodite Macbain: ok
Paradise Tennant: would you like to gong eos .. aph step dad's name was Wallie :)

--BELL--

Aphrodite Macbain: thank you
Eos Amaterasu: May you include yourself and your step-dad and your family in such space, Aph
Eos Amaterasu: bed time here - thank you, all!
Paradise Tennant: good night eos :)
Aphrodite Macbain: thank you all
Eos Amaterasu: Thanks for the theme on questions and ahas, Druth
druth Vlodovic: :)
druth Vlodovic: it's been running for a while in my head
Aphrodite Macbain: Going to be now. nite nite
druth Vlodovic: I'm glad to get some new answers
druth Vlodovic: 'night
Paradise Tennant: good night aph
Aphrodite Macbain: bed
stevenaia Michinaga: night Druth
boxbot Resident: night, aph
stevenaia Michinaga: Night Aph
druth Vlodovic: 'night all
stevenaia Michinaga: night box
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
boxbot Resident: night :)
Paradise Tennant: good nite druth ..steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: cal
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Steve :)

boxbot Resident: para, what's that fog coming from you? :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: fashion
boxbot Resident: ah :)
Paradise Tennant: it is a dress by vita
Paradise Tennant: suppose to be a storm
boxbot Resident: a snow queen dress :)
Paradise Tennant: yes
boxbot Resident: oh yes, i see the rain clouds in the back :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles there is a rain prim too but cal will get wet !
boxbot Resident: i think he wouldn't mind :)
Calvino Rabeni: We had record rains here recently
Calvino Rabeni: lightning too
boxbot Resident: whoa!
boxbot Resident: lovely :)
Paradise Tennant: her store has moved let me get her fulll name and then you can ge the land mark from her profile if you like bot
boxbot Resident: little pocket fountain :)
boxbot Resident: hi, luci :)
Lucinda Lavender: hi all
boxbot Resident: you've changed :)
boxbot Resident: but then, so have i :)
Calvino Rabeni: Clothing that causes weather rather than protecting you from it
Lucinda Lavender: change happens
Paradise Tennant: vitabela dubrovna
boxbot Resident: cal :)
Lucinda Lavender: Mila have we met before?
Calvino Rabeni: By the way do I appear to be floating on top of that fog layer you're emanating?
boxbot Resident: yes, i'm boxy :)
Lucinda Lavender: ah! I thought perhaps so...
Paradise Tennant: yes
boxbot Resident: *giggles*
Paradise Tennant: alfred ?
boxbot Resident: yep :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves :)))
Lucinda Lavender: Cal you look powerful
boxbot Resident: *waves back* hello! :)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Paradise!
boxbot Resident: he's floating again :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya lucinda gtsy :))
Lucinda Lavender: have there been some interesting meditations?
Lucinda Lavender: so far?
Paradise Tennant: a sad one just now
Paradise Tennant: aph lost her step dad today so we
Paradise Tennant: meditated ..in a way to send him love comfort
Lucinda Lavender: ah..so hard
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: harder for the living than those that are making the journey i think or suspect
Paradise Tennant: have you seen sophia build for the retreat it is spectacular .. cannot believe she put it together in two days
boxbot Resident: oh, what did she build?
Lucinda Lavender: I tried to visit and was not really able to
Paradise Tennant: digs around for the landmark one sec box
Lucinda Lavender: it seemed impenitrable
Lucinda Lavender: I flew up and found a big silver metal thing
Lucinda Lavender: not sure how to relate to it
boxbot Resident: thank you
Paradise Tennant: a big silver metal thing ?
Lucinda Lavender: not sure what it was...
boxbot Resident: it's a new retreat center?
Lucinda Lavender: what I saw probably was not after hearing paradise
boxbot Resident: i'll go visit after the session
Calvino Rabeni: Cinda you asked about the session .. I found the interesting idea was - "When I do have an aha! I should slow it and spend time with it"

--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: ah
boxbot Resident: cal, yet it passes so quickly :)
Lucinda Lavender: after reading the shenpa article I have been thinking much about unhooking
boxbot Resident: shenpa? a buddhist monk?
Lucinda Lavender: slowing to experience what ever is present...I am thinking now...
Lucinda Lavender: Shenpa was mentioned in the article Paradise shared the other night...from Pema Chodron
Lucinda Lavender: at Shambala Sun
boxbot Resident: ah
boxbot Resident: unhooking relates to dropping, i'd think
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Lucinda Lavender: i imagine
boxbot Resident: a different perspective?
Lucinda Lavender: not sure if it is different tho...
Paradise Tennant: http://www.shambhala.org/teachers/pema/shenpa3a.php
Lucinda Lavender: Thanks POaradise
Lucinda Lavender: Paradise
boxbot Resident: ah, shenpa is attachment
Paradise Tennant: sighs .. looks at the snow falling outside .. the time .. and knows .. she should go to bed ! or she will have a shempa kind of day tomorrow :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Paradise Tennant: thank you all for sharing :) for the company ...the conversation and the ideas :)
boxbot Resident: :)
boxbot Resident: night, para :)
Lucinda Lavender: lovely dress...
Paradise Tennant: smiles nite nite namaste :))))
boxbot Resident: stormy dress :)
Calvino Rabeni: Goodbye :)
boxbot Resident: thank you for the company
boxbot Resident: i like your new look, luci :)
boxbot Resident: very sweet
Lucinda Lavender: thanks:)
Lucinda Lavender: yours is nice too...:)
boxbot Resident: i'd like to snap a picture some time :)
boxbot Resident: thanks :)
Lucinda Lavender: feel free..
boxbot Resident: oh, ok, if you have time :)
boxbot Resident: it's just a minute though
Lucinda Lavender: right now I will go visit the retreat center
boxbot Resident: ok
boxbot Resident: heh, i've already got a tp from cal to the center :)
boxbot Resident: i'll see you there
Lucinda Lavender: lets go then...