The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Berti :D
Wol Euler: evening all
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie ♥
Bertram Jacobus: hehe - hi aggers ! :-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Agatha Macbeth: Any reason for the new look?
Bertram Jacobus: evening woly ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: yes : ma gf doesn´t like the other avatar aggers ;-D
Agatha Macbeth: Try and sit on a cushion Bert ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi guys :) Wow Bert :) cool look
Bertram Jacobus: no, ty, i tried already - doesn´t feel comfortable ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Cat ^.^
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Bertram Jacobus: hi cat ! ty ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll bet
Agatha Macbeth: We have a cushion for tinies, but not for biggies
Bertram Jacobus: you´ll bet what, pls ?
Wol Euler: back in a mo
Bertram Jacobus: that´s it ! :o)
Agatha Macbeth looks round
Agatha Macbeth: Now where's she gone?
Bertram Jacobus: it feels well here on the ground. nice grass. ty !
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Do hippos eat grass?
Bertram Jacobus: and i hope, you don´t mind me sitting here ! (?) ... :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Thought they live in rivers
Agatha Macbeth: Sit where you like, it's all perfect :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods :)
Agatha Macbeth: Actually you look rather cute there
Bertram Jacobus: yes. but sometimes, now and then, hippos leave the rivers and go a bit on dry gound so to say ... ;o)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah...
Agatha Macbeth: I must consult Wiki on the subject
Bertram Jacobus: great ! pls do so !...
Bertram Jacobus: woly poofed away ...
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, closely related to whales and porpoises
Agatha Macbeth: (it says here)
Bertram Jacobus: oh. let me look for porpoise in my dictionary ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't say what they eat :(
Bertram Jacobus: ah. i see. wouldn´t have thought so ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: no ? let me search it ...
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, called a Seekoei in Afrikaans
Zon Kwan: heya
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, they do graze
Agatha Macbeth: Plant-eaters mostly
Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo K
Bertram Jacobus: plants, mainly grass we eat ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: So they must leave the water then, yes
Agatha Macbeth: WB Wollie
Catrinamonblue Resident: wb Wol :)
Wol Euler: ty!
Wol Euler: nice av, berti :)
Bertram Jacobus: hi zon and wb wol :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hehe ty wol ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Amazing what you don't know until you read Wiki
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Bertram Jacobus: yess ...
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you didn't change on our account Wol
Wol Euler: no, my own
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, ok
Wol Euler: I mis-attached the pasties somehow, they didn'T sit right when I sat
Agatha Macbeth: How strange
Wol Euler: well, my own fault, I messed it up
Agatha Macbeth: Never wear those things
Wol Euler: I normally wouldn't, but I exercise a certain amount of restraint here :)
Agatha Macbeth pictures a restrained Wol
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway....
Agatha Macbeth: What's the topic?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, did we lose Korel?
Qt Core: Hi all!
Bertram Jacobus: hi there qt and rosatta
Agatha Macbeth: Sera QT :)
Agatha Macbeth: And Ros
Rosatta Resident: 's current display-name is "Rosatta".
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Catrinamonblue Resident: HI QT, Rosatta :)
Bertram Jacobus: the topic ? freedom as relates to dropping ?
Agatha Macbeth: Using Firestorm?
Wol Euler: hello again, rosatta
Wol Euler: and hello qt
Rosatta Resident: No, the SL viewer that was availabe when I signed up
Zon Kwan: hi qt, rosa
Wol Euler: oh, try firestorm, many people find it far superior
Agatha Macbeth: I hear some people have had probs with FS
Wol Euler: people have problems with everything :)
Rosatta Resident: ok. If I get bumped from here I will do that before trying to return
Qt Core: problems have problems with people too
Agatha Macbeth: Depends on the person I guess
Rosatta Resident: Well, I've been seeing people having problems all over SL lately
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Rosa true
Rosatta Resident: Two days ago parts of Faery Crossing weren't available to anyone
Agatha Macbeth: LL are (if anything) getting worse I think
Rosatta Resident: And I've seen other avatars get stuck - can't hear can't move and then get bumped
Rosatta Resident: so I' am wondering if there is somehting going on wtih SL
Agatha Macbeth: I was having sound probs at aconcert yesterday
Qt Core: are LL still trying with sl are their new products going well and going to be sl death ?
Rosatta Resident: Well, I am here now. And that makes me happy :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well instead of worrying with this pathfinder nosnsense why don't they put what's wrong right first?
Wol Euler: 42
Agatha Macbeth: Unless they're gearing up to sell it of course
Rosatta Resident: What is LL/Pathfinder?
Wol Euler: fixing bugs is boring and hard work and only makes current residents happy
Agatha Macbeth: LL is linden labs, Pathfinder is...god knows
Wol Euler: LL = LInden Lab, owner of SL
Rosatta Resident: Ah
Wol Euler: pathfinder is a system for animating prims, so that you could have a dog that walked randomly around your back yard
Agatha Macbeth: Lets dogs follow you round or something
Wol Euler: snap
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Wol Euler: meta-snap
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: 7gr
Wol Euler: that too
Agatha Macbeth pokes you in the ear
Bertram Jacobus: i´m still and again and again astonished that such a complx simulation as sl works at all (!) ...
Wol Euler: the Lab is fixated on introducing new features because they think the way to save SL is to get millions of new people to sign up
Agatha Macbeth: Well this is also true berti
Wol Euler: our desires are not on their priority list because we are not their target audience
Rosatta Resident: Some time ago I was in a sim where people were chatting about something called Blue mars?
Agatha Macbeth: Please they ones who aren't actually here yet then?
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: they cannot understand why this is not as big as Facebook, so they are trying to turn it into that
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they need a marketing guru
Wol Euler: maybe they need staff members who actually spend time IN second life
Rosatta Resident: Facebook is a lot simpler and really not the same thing
Agatha Macbeth: That would also help
Wol Euler: of course not :) nothing AT ALL like this
Wol Euler: but it is a great commercial success, and they want to be richt oo
Wol Euler: too
Agatha Macbeth: Me too, so waht should I do?
Wol Euler: it's like Ford looking at Apple's profit margin and thinking htat they need to start building computers
Rosatta Resident: Aren't they already rich?
Wol Euler: by any normal standard, yes
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Wol Euler: hello san
Agatha Macbeth: There's no such thing as an american that's not rich enough I think
Santoshima Resident: hello :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi San
Bertram Jacobus: i´m content when i have enough to eat, to drink, a home and only a bit more. that seems already really much to me ...
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Bert, moi aussi
Wol Euler nods.
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Bertram Jacobus: hello san :-)
Zon Kwan: hi san
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Bertram Jacobus: and aren´t we, the inhibitants of sl, important for ll because of the fees and such we pay ?
Wol Euler: one might think so, bert.
Santoshima Resident: didn't recognize you at first glance, bert ...
Agatha Macbeth: The amount collected from tiers alone must be huge
Wol Euler: but the 100 thousand or so of us who use SL often enough to be paying them are not even a drop in the bucket compared to the enormous income they expect from the billions of poeple who will join up as soon as they figure out how to make this like Facebook
Agatha Macbeth: Illogical captain
Rosatta Resident: lol
Wol Euler: of course it is :)
Santoshima Resident: :)
Wol Euler: but they are fixated on challenging Facebook
Qt Core: joinn sl with kinect and make avatar move on your moves ?
Agatha Macbeth: Why just FB, why not google?
Wol Euler: because google isn't people, and facebook is
Bertram Jacobus: and i think the "concept virtual world" has a very stabile part amongst all the technical possibilities we can enjoy nowadays and in the future as well
Wol Euler: and even the Lab is not foolish enough to think that SL might be a search engine :)
Agatha Macbeth: Thought G+ was supposed to be like FB or something?
Wol Euler: G+ is e-mail
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Santoshima Resident: it is? !!!
Agatha Macbeth: Don't understand any of that stuff
Wol Euler: clever e-mail, yes
Agatha Macbeth: Personally I'd be happier if we were still using valves...
Rosatta Resident: valves?
Santoshima Resident: mail tubes?
Wol Euler: how your parents listened to music when they were kids :) before transistors were invented
Bertram Jacobus: hehe san - sry - delayed reaction to your comment about "recognizing me" ... ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: It were all different in my day
Wol Euler: 'appen.
Zon Kwan: waves
Rosatta Resident: Well, SL has been a great benefit to me - especially as an outlet for play
Santoshima Resident: salut zon
Bertram Jacobus: byee zon
Rosatta Resident: I hope not to lose it
Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Zon
Agatha Macbeth: Me too Rosa
Rosatta Resident: And it has been a benefit for me in things like this
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Bertram Jacobus: i believe in the cocept and future of virtual realities rosa
Rosatta Resident: It has opened up so many things for me - most of all socialization I wouldn't get otherwise and a creative outlet
Rosatta Resident: I've just taken a bigniiners class in buiding
Rosatta Resident: though, obviously, my typing hasn't improved lol
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Typos are part and parcel of SL I think...
Agatha Macbeth: Wol calls them body language
Santoshima Resident: necessary like stutters
Rosatta Resident: lol that works
Wol Euler: indeed
Agatha Macbeth: n-n-n-n-n-19
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Rosatta Resident: Maybe they are Fruedian slips occasionally
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: and markers of identity
Qt Core: the arcane worlds you may have to type if you try scripting too may help tuyping ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: terrible typer here *giving notice* :o)
Agatha Macbeth: As well
Wol Euler: like my habit of typing hte and htata
Wol Euler: *htat
Agatha Macbeth: And htata
Wol Euler: not as often though :-P
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Agatha Macbeth: You haven't done don'T for ages tho
Bertram Jacobus: heyy zen ! :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zenny
Santoshima Resident: greetings Zen :)
Wol Euler: hello zen
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi all
Rosatta Resident: Play as Typing (giggle)
Agatha Macbeth: Being typing maybe?
Bertram Jacobus: type as playing ? ;-)
Rosatta Resident: Typing is Being?
Rosatta Resident: Being who you type?
Agatha Macbeth: Actually tai-ping sounds rather eastern
Bertram Jacobus: being contains typing (at least "often") ? :o)
Qt Core: and is dropping correct spelling freeing ? ;-)
Rosatta Resident: lol love that point
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, dropping spelling
Zen Arado: :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes. it is. very much so qt. wise comment ! ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Are you still using the voice typer Zen?
Wol Euler: I'd say that depends on how much of an effort you hve to put in to not spelling correctly
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Bertram Jacobus: another important aspect woly ! ... :-)
Zen Arado: on and off Aga
Qt Core: not so much in my case ;-)
Zen Arado: I'd use voice typing I have to type long passages
Bertram Jacobus: a "voice typer" - what is THAT pls ?
Zen Arado: if
Agatha Macbeth: I'm amazed how those things recogise words through accents
Qt Core: [every time bert typing animation start i expect a disney song (old school) to start]
Zen Arado: a program that converts speech to text
Bertram Jacobus: wow
Zen Arado: it doesn't work so well in Second Life
Zen Arado: I'm using it at the moment
Bertram Jacobus: i see ...
Zen Arado: it works better with Microsoft Word
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie's seems good
Bertram Jacobus: phantastic !
Zen Arado: you have to have good diction as well
Zen Arado: and I have an Irish accent
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Bertram Jacobus: lolqt ;o)
Zen Arado: it doesn't like the way I pronounce words like 'how'
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Agatha Macbeth: It thinks you say 'high'?
Zen Arado: how now Brown cow
Zen Arado: yes or Hi
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, works see
Zen Arado: no I typed that manually :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Babg went that theory
Agatha Macbeth: bang
Zen Arado: find and found give problems
Agatha Macbeth: (now I'm doing it)
Zen Arado: many words in English signed the same
Zen Arado: you see?
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: sound
Agatha Macbeth: Homophones
Catrinamonblue Resident: :-)
Zen Arado: I'm homeophonic :)
Bertram Jacobus: dears - i log off - ty for the chat - i enjoyed it very much - may all beings be haapy pls ! *wave* ...
Zen Arado: I think
Wol Euler: goodnight berti, schlaf gut
Santoshima Resident: bye bertram
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Bert lovely to see you :)
Qt Core: bye Bert
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Berti, enjoy the river
Zen Arado: nite Bert
Bertram Jacobus: ty - you´re all sooo kind ! :-*
Agatha Macbeth: May all Berts be happy
Wol Euler smiles.
Santoshima Resident: back to the virtual garden ...
Santoshima Resident: bye folks
Zen Arado: byee san
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye San :)
Wol Euler: bye san, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Garden well San
Rosatta Resident: Well, I didn't get logged out of this SIM
Agatha Macbeth: Mind the weeds
Zen Arado: your team are playing well Aga
Rosatta Resident: that's a good thing
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Agatha Macbeth: Still winning?
Zen Arado: don't know but they were at half-time
Agatha Macbeth: I've got the cricket on now :p
Zen Arado: I've lost interest now that Manchester United are out of it
Zen Arado: :(
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that was quite controversial
Zen Arado: sure was
Agatha Macbeth: Someone actually rang the police and reported match fixing was going on or something
Zen Arado: but that's boring for everyone I guess
Agatha Macbeth grins
Catrinamonblue Resident: mmm going to go order pizza :) today is my RL b-day and I'm treating myself and the fam :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: night all :)
Wol Euler: oh wow, happy birthday cat!
Zen Arado: happy birthday Cat :)
Agatha Macbeth: Happy birthday Cat <3
Wol Euler: enjoy the eevening
Zen Arado: sings
Qt Core: enjoy and happy b-day
Agatha Macbeth: Don't get drunk
Catrinamonblue Resident: thanks everyone :)
Zen Arado: blow out the candles on the pizza
Wol Euler laughs.
Zen Arado: that might not be a good idea
Agatha Macbeth: Depends on how many there are i guess
Zen Arado: candle wax pizza
Wol Euler: no worse than candle wax cake
Zen Arado: I suppose
Zen Arado: I tried to eat a candle
Zen Arado: a Christmas present
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Wol Euler: intentionally, or a mistake?
Agatha Macbeth: Was it alight?
Zen Arado: it looked like a chocolate pineapple
Zen Arado: it was a chocolate colour with white tips
Agatha Macbeth: Zen the fire eater
Zen Arado: but it tasted horrible :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Not surprised
Zen Arado: then I read the little tag
Agatha Macbeth: Hope people read my tag before they try to eat me then
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: edible Aga
Wol Euler: the edible woman
Agatha Macbeth: I have been told that ;-)
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Agatha Macbeth: Looks like the topic got lost tonight then...
Zen Arado: we must have dropped it
Wol Euler: poor topic
Agatha Macbeth: Along with the spelling
Zen Arado: I wrote a story in French
Wol Euler: oho!
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Zen Arado: I have had it corrected now
Wol Euler: parlons-nous de ca?
Agatha Macbeth: J'ai cherché la plume de ma tante
Zen Arado: we were asked to write something about our childhood
Zen Arado: I think writing in French actually will improve my English as well
Agatha Macbeth: I wouldn't fancy doing that in english, never mind french
Wol Euler: it's possible :)
Zen Arado: French is more direct
Zen Arado: I notice that I have a habit of adding - 'I think' to the ends of lines
Wol Euler: you'll probably find yourself thinking about it differently, since you don't have your English-language habits to fall back on
Agatha Macbeth: Je pense
Zen Arado: that comes from philosophy , I think
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: :-)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: I think therefore I am
Agatha Macbeth: Or something
Zen Arado: I just translated a story that I had written before in English
Agatha Macbeth: Good plan maybe
Wol Euler: shades of Sam Beckett
Zen Arado: well it's a way to start
Zen Arado: if you get good enough you start to think in the other language I think
Qt Core: yes, and dream too
Zen Arado: but that's a long way away for me
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Zen Arado: I bought an Internet radio so I can listen to French stations
Zen Arado: or 10,000 other ones
Qt Core: when you find ideas that are expressed better in the foreign language than in your own you first think them in the other language
Zen Arado: but I don't understand that much
Zen Arado: really Qt?
Zen Arado: It gets you used to the sound of the language
Qt Core: yes, if you find a foreign word that you like
Qt Core: better than your language one
Zen Arado: all languages seem to have their own silly rules
Agatha Macbeth: I remember when I was young listening to short wave radion, all the different european stations
Zen Arado: yes me to and radio Luxembourg
Agatha Macbeth: -n
Agatha Macbeth: Ah i remember Luxy well
Agatha Macbeth: 208
Agatha Macbeth: And Hilversum in Holland
Zen Arado: the BBC was so staid in those days
Agatha Macbeth: Radio Nordzee
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Zen Arado: it was the pirate stations that opened it up
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Agatha Macbeth: Radio Caroline
Zen Arado: Radio Eirrean
Zen Arado: Athlone it was
Agatha Macbeth: I remember that
Agatha Macbeth: The old radio dials had the names of the stations on them
Zen Arado: yes
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: my first video was a crystal set
Zen Arado: it didn't need any power
Agatha Macbeth: Athlone, Munich, Saar
Zen Arado: radio
Zen Arado: I hooked it up to my iron bedstead for an area
Zen Arado: aerial
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: My father used to build his own
Zen Arado: I wonder how they worked without power? D
Zen Arado: Very environmentally friendly
Agatha Macbeth: Cat's whisker?
Zen Arado: maybe they should be reinvented
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: along with valves
Zen Arado: valves take a lot of power
Zen Arado: and they burn out
Wol Euler: and generate a lot of waste heat
Zen Arado: yes
Agatha Macbeth: I seemed to remember they blew a lot too
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Zen Arado: they still use them in amplifiers
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Agatha Macbeth: We had a TV that needed to warm up before it came on
Zen Arado: some people say they give a better sound
Agatha Macbeth: I remember diodes too
Zen Arado: I think valves are a diode
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Zen Arado: kind of nonreturn valve
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, one way
Zen Arado: transistors do the same thing they only live current to flow in one direction
Zen Arado: yes allow
Agatha Macbeth: I seem to remember light dependant resistors and heat sinks too
Agatha Macbeth: Woo, memories
Zen Arado: my electronics knowledge isn't too good
Zen Arado: I started a course one time but it was all about mathematics
Zen Arado: more like applied maths
Agatha Macbeth: I only remember what I learned from the old man
Agatha Macbeth nods
Zen Arado: I could write a story about me and radios
Wol Euler: do it!
Zen Arado: so could we all
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: In french
Zen Arado: the evolution
Zen Arado: crystal set to Internet radio
Agatha Macbeth: Marconi would be proud
Zen Arado: he was an Italian wasn't he? T
Qt Core: yes
Agatha Macbeth: I think so
Zen Arado: I don't know if you can say it was invented by one man
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure
Zen Arado: there were lots of other developments that paved the way
Zen Arado: as with all conventions
Zen Arado: inventions
Qt Core: when times are right the "final" inventor it's just a matter of chance
Zen Arado: voice typing is always trying to use business language
Wol Euler: the one we remember as the inventor is often just the one who figured out how to make it profitable
Qt Core: maybe with a hint of practical sense
Wol Euler: like Edison
Zen Arado: yes I agree Qt
Agatha Macbeth: I remember Premiata Forneria Marconi
Zen Arado: it could be said that an English man invented the light bulb
Zen Arado: Swan
Zen Arado: Swann maybe
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder how many it takes to screw it in?
Qt Core: literally "prize winner Marconi Backery" one of the weirder names for a band
Agatha Macbeth nods @ QT
Agatha Macbeth: Think it was café where they used to go or something
Qt Core: (usually shortened as PFM)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Agatha Macbeth: I'm pretty sure they are still playing
Qt Core: yes, they should still be around, (about 60 i think now)
Zen Arado: it's funny that radio is still going
Zen Arado: many thought it would disappear when they invented television
Agatha Macbeth: It's funny a lot of things are still going :p
Zen Arado: same as cinema
Qt Core: radio let you do something else while listening, tv is all-absorbing
Agatha Macbeth: Not as good as it used to be tho
Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
Zen Arado: I love radio four
Agatha Macbeth: I love radio 3
Zen Arado: if you listen to radio four it means you are old
Agatha Macbeth: Thought that was Radio 2?
Zen Arado: two is the stage before that
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Uhhh
Agatha Macbeth: I remember mother listened to it a lot
Zen Arado: I listen to radio five quite a lot as well
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, and 5 Live extra
Zen Arado: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Got that on now, good for cricket
Zen Arado: it's good on DAB
Agatha Macbeth: Right
  --BELL--1430
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, enough nostalgia already....
Wol Euler smiles.
Qt Core: About the love for the radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzlqv1ZFUyY (italian lyrics: http://www.angolotesti.it/E/testi_ca...io_117093.html (i love it)
Zen Arado: ty Qt
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I'll look at that
Wol Euler makes a note
Zen Arado: will watch
Agatha Macbeth: TY QT
Zen Arado: byee
Wol Euler: thank you, qt
Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Take care
Agatha Macbeth waves
Qt Core: bye all