The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth, who fell asleep and turned up 20 minutes late

Rosatta Resident: 's current display-name is "Rosatta".
Wol Euler: hello rosatta
Rosatta Resident: Ah, Cat is coming : )
Rosatta Resident: Hello, Wol
Rosatta Resident waves jappily
Rosatta Resident: happily
Wol Euler smiles.
Rosatta Resident: Druth, I see your name on the list of people nearby - hello, dear lady!
Rosatta Resident: Thank you, again, for the fish.

'So long and thanks for all the fish'

Wol Euler: "nearby" is relative :) druth is 85 metres away, far too far to hear you I'm afraid
Rosatta Resident: I tried to go fishing for more pet fish and I couldn't figure it out
Rosatta Resident: Ah, oh, well, if she comes
Wol Euler: hmmm, I don't know about that
Wol Euler: where do you fish for them?
Wol Euler: hello korel
Rosatta Resident: Druth told me that she gets hers from Seven SEas fishing game
Wol Euler: quiet day at work?
Korel Laloix: Heya
Wol Euler: thanks, I
Wol Euler: I'll look taht up
Korel Laloix: NO.. off today.. up are Reeba's parents' place for a long weekend.
Wol Euler: nice
Korel Laloix: She taking a nap at the momnet.
Rosatta Resident: I found some on the marketplace - it looks as if someone is selling their extras
Rosatta Resident: that is where I got this fish
Korel Laloix: So doing some editing and chatting.
Wol Euler smiles.
Korel Laloix: what sort of fish?
Wol Euler: orbital fish! (I think that's what we are talking about)
Korel Laloix: NO idea about that.
Wol Euler: look at Rosatta :)
Korel Laloix: I am so lagged that I have my camera panned way above groung.
Korel Laloix: Sorry.
Wol Euler: ah, okay
Wol Euler: she has a fish swimming in circles around her head, like Bruce's pal Blub
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Korel Laloix: Oh OK... smiles
Wol Euler: seems to be generally slow today :)
Wol Euler: I'm in a kind of RL lag
Rosatta Resident: Would someone be willing to state this week's topic?
Wol Euler looks at the board.
Wol Euler: "Appreciate the Presence of Appearance as Presentation of/by Being"
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Wol Euler: hello bleu!
Bleu Oleander: hiya
Wol Euler: where#s your crown? :)
Rosatta Resident: Hi, Blue
Bleu Oleander: on my head :)
Rosatta Resident: I think this week's topic is in a alien language lol
Wol Euler: oh, very discreet! I didn't notice
Bleu Oleander: too much hair perhaps :)
Wol Euler: I was expecting something more flashy
Bleu Oleander: lovely and elegant this year :)
Wol Euler: I love your Mrs. Schmidt boots, by the way :)
Bleu Oleander: yes me too ... ty!
Wol Euler: hello druth
druth Vlodovic: hi guys
Bleu Oleander: hiya druth
Rosatta Resident: "Appreciate the Presence of Appearance as Presentation of/by Being"
Bleu Oleander: APAPB
Rosatta Resident: Being as in Creator?
Wol Euler: Being as in Everything
Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers
Wol Euler: is-ness
druth Vlodovic: oh,this idea that existence sees you
Rosatta Resident: This might be intelligable from a Yogic perspective

At this point I finally arrive

Wol Euler: good evening aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Hello there
druth Vlodovic: a bit of animism which I don't think is supposed to be taken as anything more than a perspective thing
Agatha Macbeth: I fell asleep
Bleu Oleander: thought experiment?
druth Vlodovic: sounds like it
Rosatta Resident: Animism?
druth Vlodovic: I haven't gotten that far myself
Rosatta Resident: I know what that is, but I don't knwo enough about it to see the link
druth Vlodovic: animism means giving human/intelligent attributes to inanimate objects
Rosatta Resident: Well, I'd rather a hammerhead shark never see me
druth Vlodovic: it is a step beyond letting existence see you,which is beyond me at this point
druth Vlodovic: I think :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Wol Euler: hello cat
Rosatta Resident: What does 'letting existence see you' mean?
Bleu Oleander: I can imagine a more fluid exchange perhaps between myself and the world ... perhaps a way to think about it?
druth Vlodovic: I generally don't know anywhere near as much as I let on
Catrinamonblue Resident: hi everyone
druth Vlodovic: hi cat
Bleu Oleander: druth :)
Korel Laloix: Hyea
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Cat ^.^
Rosatta Resident: Hello, sweet Cat : )
Bleu Oleander: hi Cat
Rosatta Resident: I totally know what you mean, Druth. I've got trivia running around in my head more than actual knowledge lol
Bleu Oleander: zooming in to check for crowns :)
Rosatta Resident: On a forum I belong to, there is someone whose avatar says "Always wear your invisible crown"
Bleu Oleander: hey, how are all your Art of Being projects coming along?
Wol Euler smiles.
druth Vlodovic: I think it is a subset of appreciation
Agatha Macbeth: Getting there
Rosatta Resident wanting Druth to say more
Bleu Oleander: yay!
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druth Vlodovic: receiving rather than active looking
druth Vlodovic: when you look at a mug you see a mug
druth Vlodovic: becuase that is the definition in your mind
druth Vlodovic: rasther than the actual object,which is a ceramic cylinder
druth Vlodovic: grr, lag problems
Wol Euler: or you see yourself, "My mug"
druth Vlodovic: you think in terms of purpose and ability, posession and attachment
druth Vlodovic: and often see yourself in the same way
Bleu Oleander: my mug lol
Rosatta Resident: ty
druth Vlodovic: a disclaimer: Ii use PaB as an exploration of self, the founder doesn't,he uses it more as an exploration of reality in some manner i don't understand
Wol Euler: perhaps self is part of reality :)
Wol Euler: perhaps both self and reality are just maps of a reality that is beyond either of them
Bleu Oleander: I like that
druth Vlodovic: it turns out my understanding of phenomenology is what is thought of as a "common misconception" :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: still, that is a useful thing to know!
druth Vlodovic: :)
Wol Euler: did the person who told you this also suggest what might be a better understanding?
druth Vlodovic: nope
Wol Euler: ah
druth Vlodovic: there is even a chatlog on the home page of the chatlogs where Pema essentially says "you have to experience it to know it" and nothing else lol
druth Vlodovic: funny,there are lots of things in life you have to experience to know
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: but most can be described
druth Vlodovic: then you reject the description
druth Vlodovic: and experience it and say "OH, That's what they were talking about!"
Rosatta Resident: But not understood unt il experienced - like how truly large the ocean is if you have never seen it
Rosatta Resident: Yes. ty Druth, you siad it better than I did
druth Vlodovic: like Love :)
Wol Euler: I think in Pema's case that was certainly deliberate, to make people get away from clever thoughts and actually try looking at the world
druth Vlodovic: or having kids, for that matter
Korel Laloix: brb
Rosatta Resident: lol very true, Druth!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
druth Vlodovic: could be too that he is conscious of the authority effect
druth Vlodovic: peopleare afraid to think if it might contradict what an impressive authority figure said
druth Vlodovic: sorry, I got us off on a tangent
druth Vlodovic: what do you think of APABB rosetta?
druth Vlodovic: AAPBAD
druth Vlodovic: APB?
Bleu Oleander: :)
Fibes22 Resident: 's current display-name is "Fibes22".
Rosatta Resident: I'm not sure what AAPBAD is
Bleu Oleander: aPaB
Rosatta Resident: The idea of Play as Being?
Agatha Macbeth: I'm bad at AAPBAD :p
Rosatta Resident: Would someone give the words to AAPBAD?
druth Vlodovic: [13:23] Rosatta: "Appreciate the Presence of Appearance as Presentation of/by Being"
druth Vlodovic: :)
Rosatta Resident: Ah,
Rosatta Resident: I am wondering if it means appreciating Being appearing in its many forms without judgement
druth Vlodovic: I knew there were abunch of A's and B's in it
Wol Euler: yes, that's a lot of it, rosatta
Bleu Oleander: that's nice Rosatta
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Rosatta Resident: ty
Wol Euler: not putting labels on things, not judging, not forming attachments
Fibes22 Resident: Why not?
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Rosatta Resident: The first few time I read it I didn't have a clue
Wol Euler: (rl distractions, sorry)
Agatha Macbeth: Pigeons?
Bleu Oleander: can u become attached to APAPB?
Catrinamonblue Resident: gtg :) time to get dinner ready
Catrinamonblue Resident: bye guys
Bleu Oleander: bye Cat
Agatha Macbeth: Eat well Cat
druth Vlodovic: bye cat
Agatha Macbeth: and Druthy too
Wol Euler: bye cat
druth Vlodovic: I think people do
druth Vlodovic: they become attached to not having attachment anyway
druth Vlodovic: which is a bit of a sideline
Bleu Oleander: we start to like our ideas too strongly sometimes
Agatha Macbeth: You do look quite hungry actually Druth
druth Vlodovic: I'm getting full :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, looks that way :D  (Druth is eating a bag of crisps)
Agatha Macbeth: I had to zoom on the bag to see what it is!
Rosatta Resident: So, does Presence of Appearance as Presentation of/by Being mean that Being is an artist?
druth Vlodovic: even thinking that you have an open mind can be a trap :)
Bleu Oleander: traps everywhere lol
Wol Euler: Being is all artists and all artworks and all viewers and all critics and eveyrthing beyond all of those
Agatha Macbeth: Glad I'm not a mouse
Bleu Oleander: :)
Wol Euler: I call it "the everythingness of everything"
Rosatta Resident: Yes, Druth. The people who I've known who are determined to let everyone know they are open minded have been the most determined not to see things differently
druth Vlodovic: Being can be a critic if you aren't careful,
Rosatta Resident: Presence of Appearance as Presentation of/by Being
druth Vlodovic: but being as an artist is a nice thought
Bleu Oleander: Being as critic ... hmmm interesting ... so Being has an agenda?
Agatha Macbeth: A hidden one maybe
druth Vlodovic: we were talking about beauty the other day, and how anything can be beautiful
Wol Euler: to me that's like asking whether the universe is a grasshopper
Rosatta Resident: Presence of Appearance - I am thinking means how things - anything - appears
Wol Euler: I'm sorry, I am in an odd mood today, too much stress and too much sugar
Bleu Oleander: see the universe in a grasshopper :)
Wol Euler: I'm going to give myself a time-out
Rosatta Resident: Presentation of/by Being
Wol Euler: take care, be happy, appreciate what you observe
Agatha Macbeth: Be one with the universe Grasshopper
Bleu Oleander: bye Wol :)
Rosatta Resident: And this appearance is presented by Being is is Being
druth Vlodovic: I prefer to de-personalize being
druth Vlodovic: then there is nothing to waste my energy on blaming
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, another trap
Rosatta Resident: If Being is presenting appearance, then it is a creator of sorts
Rosatta Resident: and artist of sorts
druth Vlodovic: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/inde...le=877:_Beauty
Bleu Oleander: take care all
druth Vlodovic: have fun bleu
Bleu Oleander: byeee
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Queen Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: :))
Rosatta Resident: That was great, Druth!
druth Vlodovic: speaking of the artist creator :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good job the crisps lasted this long Druthy ;-)
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Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now kids, take care, mind the traps
druth Vlodovic: ah,I should go too
Rosatta Resident: Good by, Agatha : )
druth Vlodovic: I hope i didn't interrupt too badly
druth Vlodovic: btw
Rosatta Resident: Peace and blessings, Druth (((hugs)))
druth Vlodovic: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time
druth Vlodovic: this might help
druth Vlodovic: ttfn
Rosatta Resident: You didn't interrupt at all . You added wonderful things today
druth Vlodovic: ty :)

And at that point, I went to join Wol at a Jordan Reyne concert!