2008.09.28 01:00 - Autolog Geekery

The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are Fael's.

I was there early to poke around with Wol's new gadget and then Kat arrived.

Kat Lemieux: Hello!
Fael Illyar: Hello :)
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
PaB Listener Master: Recording has stopped, the session is ended.
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
PaB Listener Master: Recording has started!

Wol's test gadget, I did my best to make sure it's recording.

Kat Lemieux: So, a new gadget for recording sessions, huh?
Fael Illyar: Yes, alpha testing :)

Then Wol appeared.

Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)
Kat Lemieux: Cool! Does it post to the blog automatically?
Wol Euler: hello fael, kat.
Fael Illyar: not yet, no.
Kat Lemieux: hi Wol
Fael Illyar: the automatic part is a bit suspect as well :)
Fael Illyar: perhaps semi-auto :)
Kat Lemieux: Well, maybe that's just as well. It might be good to have a human look at a log before publishing it to the world.

Some policy conversation.

Wol Euler: hmm, the intention was that it wuld be fully automatic, actually.
Wol Euler: the problem with human review is deciding automatically which human has to review it
Kat Lemieux: That would certainly eliminate a lot of effort, but might be a violation of the TOS.
Wol Euler: though, fael, we could have a table of GoCs.
Wol Euler: ah, ok, just a moment.
Wol Euler: Kat, there is still a GoC who is reponsible for hte meeting.
Kat Lemieux: GoC?
Wol Euler: One of those responsibilities is still to greet newcomers and ask their permission.
Wol Euler: "Gardian on Call", the leader as it were. The person who posts logs at present.
Kat Lemieux: Ok, that would take care of the TOS, certainly
Wol Euler: yes, we absuolutely must continue to do that, whether manually or electronically.
Kat Lemieux: Ah. this group does come up with some original acronyms!
Wol Euler: Pema at his best.
Kat Lemieux: ;-)
Kat Lemieux: or worst
Wol Euler grins
Fael Illyar: GoC was from Cal I think.

I somehow felt the acronym belongs to who coined it up... hopefully I remembered it right.

Kat Lemieux: Excuse me, i'm going to relog as my alt. BRB
Wol Euler: ok
Fael Illyar: sure
Wol Euler: ok, now. why hasn't it rezzed balls for us?
Wol Euler: damn
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
PaB Listener Master: Recording has stopped, the session is ended.
Fael Illyar: I did try touching it twice and it made noise about starting recording but no balls
Wol Euler: oh, we do.
Wol Euler: now.
Wol Euler: ok, so there is a problem with rezzing after a session ends.
Wol Euler: which is resolved by touching it.
Fael Illyar: and the first thing it said when I tpd in was that recording has stopped, the session is ended line
Wol Euler: I infer that you were alone then?
Fael Illyar: before I had time to do anything at all. Yes, alone
Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
Wol Euler: I'll have to print this out and pencil-line the state flows. Some things are just simpler on paper.
Fael Illyar: it looks as if last night's 1pm session recorded just fine though
Wol Euler: good!

Katrin appeared.

Fael Illyar: Hi Katrin :)
Wol Euler: don't delete these sessions, please, we can use them as tests for the auto-publishing.
Katrin Thor: Hi again. kat here.
Wol Euler: hello katrin
Fael Illyar wasn't going to delete it
Wol Euler: good, just checking :-)
Wol Euler rolls up her sleeves.
Fael Illyar: There's still need to examine if a usable log can be read from the db :)
Katrin Thor: I relogged so i could join the Kira group. Kat Lemieux is all out of groups.
Wol Euler: heheheh, a common problem.
Fael Illyar: Sure, no problem :)
Fael Illyar finds it interesting that her creating an alt is quite close in time to having full groups on this one.
Wol Euler: a useful coincidence, perhaps.
Fael Illyar didn't even think about that.
Katrin Thor: For me it's no coincidence. katrin exists almost exclusively for the purpose of group-overloading
Wol Euler: not consciuosly, perhaps...

The conversation almost flips to PaB subjects but ... not quite.

Wol Euler: heh
Fael Illyar: can't say anything about my unconscious :P
Fael Illyar: it does it's thing :)
Fael Illyar: seems to do it well too :)
Wol Euler: apropos GoC, who is it?
Fael Illyar raises her hand.
Wol Euler: good :-)
Wol Euler: poink

I was bashing at the table with my "hammer".

Fael Illyar: it looks as if the receiver script has been getting hits all night
Wol Euler: hmm, that's odd. I wonder from whom.
Wol Euler: passing newbies from the welcome area, perhaps.
Fael Illyar: just last night's session and another with an empty string in the db when I looked this morning
Wol Euler: meaning that hte other hits were errors? (sorry Katrin, geekeery will cease soon :-)
Katrin Thor: NP. Native speaker of geekery here, too.
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Fael Illyar: yup, all natives :)
Wol Euler: most of SL is, it seems ...
Katrin Thor: and plead guilty to clicking on the little cone in my other incarnation
Wol Euler: give the place its flavour.
Wol Euler: aaaah.
Katrin Thor: Didn't actually "touch' it, just clicked edit to see what it was.
Wol Euler: oh, ok.
Wol Euler: actually it should ignore your touch since you aren't in the guardians list.
Katrin Thor: Ok.
Wol Euler: try it please, to be sure?
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.

Wol's script works as intended.

Wol Euler: yay
Wol Euler: ty
Katrin Thor: yw
Katrin Thor: So is this your script?
Wol Euler: sorta :-)
Wol Euler: I wrote the basis, which Adelene modified for the multi-listener systsem we now use, and I am modifying it again to get it working with the webserver
Wol Euler: and adding some error-checking and commonsense control stuff too
Katrin Thor: ok. That seems to be a common way of collaboration
Katrin Thor: serial scripting?
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: probably as close as we can get to extreme programming in SL (yet)

Umbriel appeared.

Wol Euler: hello Umbriel
Fael Illyar: Hi Umb :)
Katrin Thor: Hi Umbriel
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Wol Euler: metta
Umbriel Levenque: How are you all?
Wol Euler: in this half rezzed state, you look more like Gandhi than Lawrence :-)
Katrin Thor: Better, thanks!
Faenik: could be
Wol Euler: well htanks, and you?
Umbriel Levenque: haha Gandhi is also good
Umbriel Levenque: well thank you
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Petepete appeared. New face and using the dragonlet avatar.

Katrin Thor: HEllo petepete
Wol Euler: morning petepete
Petepete Magic: morning
Wol Euler: oder sollte ich "hallo" sagen?
Petepete Magic: be right back
Umbriel Levenque: sure
Petepete Magic: my view is kinda broken
Petepete Magic: nevermind
Wol Euler: that happens ometimes when you#ve been camming around.
Faenik loves wells!
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.
Wol Euler: press ESC a few times to return to the usual camera position.
Umbriel Levenque: wb Pete
Petepete Magic: thanks
Wol Euler: and welcome to your third day in SL by the way :-)
Petepete Magic: College signed me up
Wol Euler: ah!
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Faenik: why not?
Fael Illyar: ah, they're teaching SL in college already
Wol Euler: or teaching college in SL?
Katrin Thor: Both, i think
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Wol Euler grins
Katrin Thor: I know Texas Weslyan has SL how2 class, and their biology dept. teaches in world
Petepete Magic: so what religion r u ppl?
Petepete Magic: just wondering
Wol Euler: none as such
Petepete Magic: cool
Petepete Magic: Im a Wiccan
Fael Illyar: my religion has no name.
Wol Euler: it's a meditation practice, not associated with any particular religion.
Katrin Thor: this group is exploring 'ways of being" integrating science & religion and philosphy, etc.
Wol Euler: many of us are taoist or buddhist, but that is not a necessary part of it.
Umbriel Levenque doesn't follow any particular religion
Petepete Magic: Cool
Petepete Magic: wow i can fly out of the roof ;)
Petepete Magic: or not

New to SL and already exploring things. At this rate, native in no time :)

Katrin Thor: ;-)
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Wol Euler smiles. You could, if you aimed for the hole...
Fael Illyar smiles.
Petepete Magic: ill try again]
Petepete Magic: lol
Petepete Magic: can i ask what the Blue dot above my head is?
Wol Euler: sure :-)
Petepete Magic: whats the blue dot above my head?
Wol Euler: we record these sessions for publication on our blog.
Petepete Magic: ah
Wol Euler: the blue ball is a listener device.
Fael Illyar: speaking of which, do you have an objection to having your lines and SL name recorded there?

I do the obligatory question of logging.

Wol Euler: it isn't operational yet, we are testing the system.
Petepete Magic: nope
Wol Euler: ty
Petepete Magic: im fine with it
Umbriel Levenque: Nice name you've got Pete.
Petepete Magic: thanks
Wol Euler: heh, blue dragon day.

I'd changed to my fae dragon form to match Petepete.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Faenik: could be
Petepete Magic: fael - what outfit is that?
Katrin Thor: a butter-griffin?
Fael Illyar: this is for sale at grendel's children.
Petepete Magic: nice
Petepete Magic: how much?
Wol Euler: a marvellous shop, Pete, excellent avatars relatively c heap.
Umbriel Levenque nods
Petepete Magic: i prob can't afford it though
Fael Illyar: was a bit under 200L when I got it.
Petepete Magic: i only have 138L
Wol Euler: do you have a paypal account?
Fael Illyar: but grendel has the habit of reducing prices gradually
Petepete Magic: no
Katrin Thor: It's pretty easy to buy more L$. L$200 is less than US$1
Wol Euler: ok, you can get one with an e-mail address. Put some RL money into it, and you can buy L$ from paypal.
Petepete Magic: less than 50p (in england)
Umbriel Levenque: or credit card...
Wol Euler: ah! another Euro.
Petepete Magic: lol
Umbriel Levenque: :-) <= UK also
Fael Illyar <-- Finland.
Katrin Thor: Nope, another £
Wol Euler: Germany :-)
Petepete Magic: I want to move to america in later life though
Wol Euler: true, katrin. Sorry. no offence intenced :-)
Katrin Thor: ;-)
Umbriel Levenque: yea... a wide channel between UK and the continent
Katrin Thor: I certainly take no offence. Not a Brit
Petepete Magic: If only the world in RL was like this here

Who knows, perhaps someday? ... then again, how do we know it isn't already and we've just forgotten?

Faenik: なるほど^^
Petepete Magic: Its so relaxing. I could meditate so welll here
Katrin Thor: Feel free!
Wol Euler: people do.
Umbriel Levenque nods
Petepete Magic: i mean in RL (If RL was like this it would be so great)
Wol Euler: we've made a notecard about our practices, btw, I will give you a copy.
Katrin Thor: Once you've been in SL for awhile, it's hard to tell the difference
Wol Euler: ha, true!
Petepete Magic: lol
Faenik: why not?
Petepete Magic: why when i stretch do i sound like a female dragon?
Petepete Magic: lol
Katrin Thor: what I find really annoying is when I'm using a Web browser, and I can't alt-zoom
Wol Euler: yes! I keep alt-clicking on Flickr photos to cam around in them
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Wol Euler: the stretch is probably using a gesture which happens to have a female voice. There is probably a male yawn too...
Petepete Magic: Cool
Petepete Magic: (i just read the note)
Petepete Magic: wow.... some gestures are ruined by this skin
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Petepete Magic: Sorry by the way. Im still working SL out

Very explorative :)

Katrin Thor: not a problem. everyone has been there.
Wol Euler: we were all new once, just like in RL.
Petepete Magic: Lol
Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sounds'.
Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sound 5'.
Petepete Magic: Thats meditative sounds
Katrin Thor: What are you studying, pete?
Petepete Magic: Games Development...... and Italitan
Petepete Magic: Italian*
Katrin Thor: Interesting combo!
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Wol Euler: how appropriate to be here then :-)
Petepete Magic: Well i go to italy alot because my Auntie lives there
Katrin Thor: So the Italian isn't for professional reasons, then?
Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sounds'.
Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sound OFF'.
Petepete Magic: no but i could use it for that =]
Katrin Thor: I know several italian software developers, so it could work out
Petepete Magic: Cool

Then some ... apparently Italian.

Petepete Magic: Ciao Mi Chiamo Pietro... Come Stai?
Umbriel Levenque: bene grazie e lei?
Petepete Magic: Molto Bene
Petepete Magic: Grazie
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Katrin Thor: ;-) My Italian is a bit out of date -- high school latin is as close as i got
Wol Euler: lol
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Petepete Magic: I havent done much italian
Katrin Thor: More than i have, though! Right now i'm trying to learn Arabic.
Wol Euler: wow
Wol Euler: professionally, or for fun?
Katrin Thor: So far I've learned about 1/2 of lesson #1 ;-)
Katrin Thor: well, academic degree was in Linguistics, but i just enjoy trying to learn different languages. No good at it, sadly.
Petepete Magic: Its really Realxing here
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Wol Euler shakes her head and grins. As far as communicating with people goes, I findthat willingness is about 60% right away.
Fael Illyar: we all love this place :)
Katrin Thor: My stepdaughter is fluent in arabic, though, and is dating an Egyptian, so i thought it would be good to be able to say hello, etc.
Wol Euler: if you want to communicate, you will.
Wol Euler: ah :-)
Fael Illyar speaks Finnish, English and Japanese fluently enough to converse in them.
Katrin Thor: Nice!
Petepete Magic: I just made a landmark here just to find it again ;) nice!
Katrin Thor: I used to be able to get by in German, but that was many years ago.
Katrin Thor: You're catching on fast, pete!
Petepete Magic: lol
Katrin Thor: Have you found some of the reference locations with tutorials?
Petepete Magic: I wanted to set home to here but i wasnt allowed.
Petepete Magic: no
Petepete Magic: just exploring
Katrin Thor: Right, you have to be a group member
Wol Euler: ... or on your own land.
Petepete Magic: oh
Katrin Thor: Let me relog to my main avatar -- i've got a folder of landmarks I can give you
Faenik: indeed?
Katrin Thor: BRB as Kat
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: bye katrin, nice meeting you.
Petepete Magic: ok
Petepete Magic: th
Petepete Magic: ty*
Umbriel Levenque: oops too late
Petepete Magic: Dust cloud! lol jk
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Fael Illyar smiles.
Petepete Magic: Thanks alot
Kat Lemieux: There you go, pete. YW
Petepete Magic: Im going to Explore
Kat Lemieux: I think you'd particularly enjoy the particle lab
Petepete Magic: ill go there first.
Petepete Magic: thanks
Kat Lemieux: Enjoy!
Wol Euler: all right, take care.
Petepete Magic: Ciao
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Kat Lemieux: Would anyone else like my list of basic references? Not that you all need them....
Wol Euler: sure, thanks.
Faenik: indeed?
Umbriel Levenque: sure ty
Wol Euler: always interesting to see other peole's faves.
Kat Lemieux: I'd drop them on you, Wol, but you're just a floating glow!
Umbriel Levenque: ty
Wol Euler: you can drop onto my nametag, that always works.
Kat Lemieux: Yep, that was my next step
Wol Euler: :-)
Kat Lemieux: I don't know why you dematerialized. I saw you fine a few moments ago
Wol Euler pouts and kicks SL.
Umbriel Levenque: :-(
Umbriel Levenque: brb
Wol Euler: ha, the listeners are not derezzing :-(
Kat Lemieux: awwwww
Kat Lemieux: WB pete
Petepete Magic: Im back
Petepete Magic: The Fireworks place at the particle lab is ace
Fael Illyar apologizes for being so distracted as to be unable to pay attention.
Kat Lemieux: Glad you like it ;-)
Wol Euler: wb pete.
Wol Euler: hello gaya
Kat Lemieux: hi Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Gaya Ethaniel: Mommy, Second Life won't work today..=[[
Petepete Magic: Hi Gaya and welcome to the Pavillion
Wol Euler: heheh
Petepete Magic: Im Meditating
Fael Illyar smiles.
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Petepete Magic: Hey!
Faenik loves wells!
Faenik: why not?
Petepete Magic: Ah
Petepete Magic: Are there more Gestures than what are on the immediate list?
Kat Lemieux: Yes, you can find some in your inventory
Wol Euler: yes, there is also the list in the Library part of the Inventory.
Wol Euler: and you can buy ohters.
Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
Petepete Magic: Ok
Petepete Magic: Ty
Petepete Magic: All i have in my Library is Clothing folder
Petepete Magic: thanx
Gaya Ethaniel: Activate the gesture I gave you pete and type '/moo' if you want to try out
Petepete Magic: Mommy, Second Life won't work today..=[[
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Wol Euler chuckles.
Petepete Magic: how do u make it say 'Gaya Ethaniel Smiles'?
Gaya Ethaniel: pls type '/ smiles'
Gaya Ethaniel: sorry
Petepete Magic: /smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: '/ me smiles'
Fael Illyar: '/me smiles'
Petepete Magic smiles
Petepete Magic: ah thanks
Wol Euler: right!
Kat Lemieux: with no space between '/' and 'me'
Petepete Magic smiles
Gaya Ethaniel nods. no space no...
Fael Illyar smiles warmly.
Kat Lemieux grins impishly
Petepete Magic: /cheese
Wol Euler chuckles
Gaya Ethaniel: manbo!
Petepete Magic smiles