2009.09.08 07:00 - Change, evolve or Aubergine

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Who was vacationing/traveling. Was back in Internet connection area for just long enough to be at session. Will post now.  Hopefully, add more comments later.

Definity need to straighten out some incomplete comments in the middle of this.

Quickly joined by Archmage, Doug and then Yakuzza.

Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Master Listener
Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Archmage
Riddle Sideways: How you you being today
Archmage Atlantis: Good at the moment, ty
Archmage Atlantis: And yourself?
Riddle Sideways: confused already, I was away all week
Riddle Sideways: and am confrounted by piles of mails and stuff
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, yes, the overflowing inbox
Riddle Sideways: ah, where to start
Riddle Sideways: I can't remember meting you before, have we?
Riddle Sideways: are you new to PaB?
Riddle Sideways: good morngi, Doug
Archmage Atlantis: I remember your name (unique) from another earlier meeting, but yes relatively new
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Doug

doug Sosa: sorry to be late, watering system controller broke
Riddle Sideways: oo
Archmage Atlantis: Flood, or drought?
doug Sosa: there is a water sensory connection to turn it off, but it showed "on" when there is no rain, so..
doug Sosa: no watering.
Riddle Sideways: drought
doug Sosa: Had to hot wire it.
Archmage Atlantis: Just get back to a full repair soon.....no eletrical fires please
doug Sosa: hi ya
Riddle Sideways: morning, Yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Archmage Atlantis: Good morning, Yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: long time no see riddle :)
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: yes, I been gone to placing without interent
Riddle Sideways: *places
Riddle Sideways: came back and 2 of my watering system hoses were off
doug Sosa: the intent of others, or random walk about?
Riddle Sideways: the intent of my family to emerse selfs in music retreat
doug Sosa: that sounds pretty good actually.

Archmage Atlantis: If I may ask, Riddle, where are your hoses geographically
Riddle Sideways: california coast
doug Sosa: ah close? Jenner?
Riddle Sideways: in 1/8" hoses in front yard
doug Sosa: ah, close? Jenner?
doug Sosa: oops delay :(
Riddle Sideways: no
Riddle Sideways: Carmel
Archmage Atlantis: Ah, doesn't that create a fire hazard. (said from SW FL in hurricane season)
doug Sosa: carmel is amazing, the valley, the town, tassajara..
Riddle Sideways: yes, I live in the valley
Riddle Sideways: only been to tassajara twice
Riddle Sideways: wild fire went through there last year
Riddle Sideways: many monks stayed (where they were not suppose to) to fight fire
Riddle Sideways: it went right aroun the main buildings
doug Sosa: read about it. Relation to land and building is good PaB topic.
doug Sosa: mental landscape and "ral" landscape.
doug Sosa: ra;=real
Archmage Atlantis: Weather outcomes are always peculiar......The one house that stands or has it's roof after a cat 5

Riddle Sideways: Doug, both you and I need to splerg and buy new keyboardds the can speel
Riddle Sideways: :)
doug Sosa: right. my "t" especially is unresponsive :)
doug Sosa: actually, new fingers and brain would help.
Riddle Sideways: :) , yes me too
doug Sosa: especially if hard wired to the letters.
Riddle Sideways: I livied in Fla. 1972 through a pretty big blow
Archmage Atlantis: I've been trying to get the mic and voice sw to work
Riddle Sideways: livied in cal for some big shakes
Archmage Atlantis: The neuropathy is a pretty good excuse
Archmage Atlantis: 72, let me think

doug Sosa: i listened to a talk last night that compared the speed of things: technology, culture, nature - and said that now nature instead of being slow and reliable, is changing the fastest.
Riddle Sideways: really?
Archmage Atlantis: I agree with that assessment
doug Sosa: http://webbtv.compodium.se/tallberg09/ondemand/002/
Riddle Sideways: TY
doug Sosa: :)
Archmage Atlantis: That's why I think evolutionary pressure on all species, including us, is about to "go off the scale"
doug Sosa: Yes. well, pressure yes, can we evolve? Maybe not. People want to change but power doesn't want to dsrupt the golden egg.
Archmage Atlantis: Some people want change......most still just want what they want
Archmage Atlantis: That was a bit pessimisstic, sorry
doug Sosa: i am going to have to leave at the bell, back to the watering system. Hadn't been working for a week and i didn't notice. Things are dry.
Archmage Atlantis: Take care Doug
Riddle Sideways: ok, happy watering
Archmage Atlantis: Have an eggplant for me
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care doug
--BELL--
doug Sosa: I think most people get it, leadership is lacking because the pressure on them is to not change anything.
doug Sosa: bye.

Yakuzza Lethecus: eggplant ?
Riddle Sideways: The image of Doug (who starts us talking of world powers changing) with a little water can
Riddle Sideways: sprinkling the eggplant
Archmage Atlantis: We were talking about his garden vegies yesterday
Yakuzza Lethecus: aubergine
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah k :)
Riddle Sideways: power hungry leaders will lead change as long as we follow
Archmage Atlantis: Funny, aubergine is a "high class" word for eggplant in the US, at least the parts I've lived in
Archmage Atlantis: Riddle, I have to digest that
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s just the german word for the fruit
Archmage Atlantis: I know
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i guess it´s not even german :P
Archmage Atlantis: French
Yakuzza Lethecus: doesn´t sound like german, but we use that
Yakuzza Lethecus: right
Riddle Sideways: better then calling it both a plant and an egg
Archmage Atlantis: Even the British use it, but somehow it got to be eggplant in American english
Riddle Sideways: a name that makes kidds not want to eat it
Archmage Atlantis: That and bad preparation
Archmage Atlantis: It wasn't till there was a significant Italian influx that it began to make inroads
Archmage Atlantis: I'm still "riddling" your power hungry leaders comment, Riddle :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, maybe children eat everything when it´s also intoxicated with television fast food, let´s call it dragonballfruit or what ever children are intoxicated by in the mass media :P
Riddle Sideways: yes, that would work
Archmage Atlantis: Yak there is a time I would have moderated that statement, but not any more
Yakuzza Lethecus: can you elaborate on that ?
Archmage Atlantis: Agribusiness would add corn based sweetener, and artificial color, and chemical preservatives
Archmage Atlantis: It wasn't till Alice Waters and the organic movement that we really started to look at what the food industry was actually doing
Archmage Atlantis: Making food addictive or as you said, intoxicating
Riddle Sideways: day glo chocolate sugarbombs cerial vs. brown ol granola
Archmage Atlantis: Not evil per se, but have worked in the Corp world too long to not be aware of how we all "lie" to ourselves for profit and gains of many kinds
Archmage Atlantis: We don't even know we are, because we accept the system as it works now
Archmage Atlantis: And to change anything requires convincing so many others
Yakuzza Lethecus: i think the problem is also related to the issue that there are no absolute truth about nutritiion,health
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: there are studies and papers setting things sometimes with a positive and negative connotation, a glass of whine prevents heart desease, with fancy explainations
Yakuzza Lethecus: then i heard in another media show that that is not even absolutly clear...
Yakuzza Lethecus: there are always interests hidden
Archmage Atlantis: Even the most honest studies are incomplete......Our bodies differ.....some are allergic to peanut.....most are not
Archmage Atlantis: Thus, a scientific study with a large random sample could conclude the risk of eating peatnuts is acceptable
Yakuzza Lethecus: or the issue of how much coffee is still healty ?
Archmage Atlantis: But if you are the allergic one, dead is dead
Riddle Sideways: or corn syrip is good for corp american
Archmage Atlantis: Corn sweetener also is more addictive than most sugars...
Archmage Atlantis: Although that is hidden behind cost explanations
Riddle Sideways: ah. "hidden behind explanations" I likethat
Archmage Atlantis: I fairly credible theory is that the burgeoning weight problem with the young is less a problem of exercise than of the addictive nature and ill effects of the practices of the food industry
Archmage Atlantis: Well, now I really want some of Doug
Archmage Atlantis: 's vegies
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
Archmage Atlantis: And it is time for me to depart
Riddle Sideways: :)
Archmage Atlantis: See you all later
Riddle Sideways: ok, bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye arech
Yakuzza Lethecus: i also got to go, so also bye to you riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: so do I
Riddle Sideways: bye, Yakuzza